thanks for joining us. we'll be back here tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. eastern. keep it here right now on msnbc. hatred, which could destroy so much, never failed to destroy the man who hated. that quote from james baldwin is what he called an immutable law. joy reid. donald trump is in a full meltdown. polls show support for re-election is cratering across the country. new polling from "new york times" shows trump losing to joe biden by significant margins, in a half dozen swing states. biden up by 11 points in michigan and wisconsin. up by 10 in pennsylvania. and 6 in florida. nobody is ever up by 6 in

florida. even in arizona, a traditionally red state, biden leads by seven points, and ahead by a stunning nine points in south carolina, a state he and barack obama won when he was elected in 2008. dismal numbers for his re-election likely reflect the degree to which trump is mismanaging the response to three simultaneous cries east, the raigs injustice, continued spread of coronavirus, and ongoing economic decline triggered by the pandemic. 1.5 million americans filed for unemployment just last week. furthermore, the international monetary fund says the usgdp will plummet 8% this year, far more than its earlier estimate. after defying health recommendations on social distancing in coronavirus hot spots like phoenix and tulsa,

trump shows complete disregard for public safety, even for lives of his own devoted followers. as we speak, republicans try to deliver on the full arena that donald trump is demanding for his convention. according to politico, they feel pressure to ensure the president is pleased with his turnout after the small crowds at trump's tulsa rally. in contrast, the democratic national committee announced they're planning a nearly all virtual convention this august. this comes as "the washington post" reports that dozens of secret service officers who attended the tulsa rally were ordered to self isolate after possible exposure to the virus. i am joined by jill cohen, and david jolly, former congressman, msnbc political contributor. jill, i'll start with you first. donald trump said he will not follow the coronavirus

quarantine order when he goes to new jersey. he's going to go to new jersey, despite an order by the governor requiring visitors in states with high numbers of coronavirus cases to quarantine 14 days, he has been in several of those. he is refusing to wear a mask, won't demonstrate that, model that for the country. he seems to be in deep, deep denial. inside the white house, are they in shared denial with him or are they giving up? >> you know, it is interesting. there was a period in the white house after the two staffers tested positive where there did seem to be a feeling suddenly the bubble that they had been living in had popped, and you saw in the white house people people wearing masks, more social distancing in events held by the president and held by others. it felt like they were feeling the same fear a lot of the country has felt. but beginning this month, that really changed. you go on campus now, the secret service and presidential staff were not wearing masks, they're not distancing from the president, they're not

distancing from each other. this is all part of a conscious effort by this white house and by the campaign to try to project that everything is normal and with the country going to work to salvage the economy as much as they can before the election, their message to the public is we're ready, we're at the next phase, ready to reopen, even though you see startling numbers, especially in so many states that weren't effected initially very badly with these numbers on the rise. >> you know, david jolly, there's the attempt to make things look like they're normal and there are things being normal. the outbreaks in texas, california, as well as florida are newly increasingly bad, getting worse and worse and worse. those are the three largest states. there are even more and more and more cases every day. things are not better. i don't understand the mentality of thinking that if you just make things look normal, things

will be better. the american public aren't stupid. they can see how bad things are. do you understand? can you explain it? is this partisanship or what is it? >> joy, this is straight out of donald trump's "art of the deal." he writes about this. he says part of his trick to gain leverage over somebody's thinking is confirm what they already are predisposed to want to believe. and as americans, we're predisposed to resiliency, we want to believe the economic collapse will not be as bad, we want to believe that health care, the health crisis will not be that bad, so donald trump is playing to that. and he is going to do that as he whistles past the graveyard to his convention speech in jacksonville. but to your point, i think as donald trump often is in the midst of a crisis, he is a week or two behind where the american people already are. when he said we have 15 cases and are going to zero, he was already behind the anxiety building with the american

people. we were warned this would happen. we were warned we would see the outbreak when we reopened. the american people have fear and anxiety over that. if donald trump is trying to demonstrate confidence, it is in contrast to where the american people currently are. that's why you are seeing in the polls the fallout from donald trump's behavior. at the end of the day, he will ignore this as long as he can. he won't be able to ignore it. one of the reason polls are falling is people are seeing more lack of leadership from the president. every day puts the lives of american people at risk, plain and simple, and doing it because he is selfish. it is important we recognize it is a selfish quality in donald trump that's risking the lives of you and i and everybody else around us, particularly those over 65 that we care about. >> well, i mean, and we're finding it is not just over 65, the numbers are creeping down with younger people, too. jill, people can see more people in their neighborhood and community are going to the hospital.

they know nurses who are saying the hospitals are full. it is not as if donald trump can hide it. apparently he is going to try to hide it with fireworks, have a pyrotechnics show on july 4th at mount rushmore, where he will never be, he will never be depicted there. in his imagination he thistle. there was fire not far from there not long from now. is there an agency in the government to say no to this? this is insane. >> the president controls the federal government. i believe, i don't know which agency has jurisdiction over that particular land. assume it is probably department of the interior. but just as the president defined the wills of washington when he chose last year to hold a big fireworks event in the city, the president has never he have relented to local officials

and states saying they don't want him. just as he plans this weekend to go to new jersey, despite the fact that new york, new jersey, and connecticut now all have this order saying people who have been to certain states with a lot of community spread have to quarantine for 14 days when they arrive. the president is trying to create an image of him standing in front of the majestic landmark with fireworks behind him. i am sure it is a moment the campaign will try to use in advertisements to try to project this image of the president as somebody who is moving beyond past this, celebrating with the country. but of course it has raised a lot of concerns, not just because of fire risk and wildfires happening now but also concerns about what that monument represents for so many native americans who feel like it is not a monument that this country should be celebrating, a lot of pain surrounding it, and feel like this moment of national reckoning is not the right time for the president to

be appearing there. >> david, you know, i wonder, you know florida pretty well, there's a quality about t going state to state to state, kicking up covid clusters wherever he is going. are people of jacksonville going to welcome this trump finale there? donald trump didn't write "the art of the deal", tony schwartz did. presumably he probably didn't read it. does he understand, are people in the state happy he's coming? >> yeah, republicans are, right, but it is a perfect example in florida of why leadership matters. donald trump could be doing the small things and big things that address mitigating the public health risk of covid-19 from masks and social distancing and so forth, and his followers would adopt that, if he used political currency to do that. but he's not. you know florida very well as

well, joy. depending which part of the state you're in, it is a different demographic. people may not know it is a bit of a wild west, there's a certain libertarian, western behavior in florida. we're seeing extremely cavalier behavior in florida and elsewhere. to those not following guidelines, you're selfish. if you want to risk your life, go for it. stop risking the lives of people around you. if the president comes to town and says it is not a real issue, it is. you'll probably listen to him rather than me, but jacksonville will be a dangerous place if he holds a rally and speech that he is talking of holding there. you're risking your life by going. >> wise words. hopefully fellow floridians will listen to you. joined by senior adviser to the biden campaign. listen to a republican commenting on the state of

affairs, it is a binary choice between trump and biden. carly fiorina ran against donald trump and saying who she's going to pick. >> i've been very clear that i can't support donald trump. and you know, elections are binary choices. >> so you are voting for joe biden? >> well, it is not for november, is it? i am not voting for trump. >> if it is a binary choice. >> it's a binary choice. if faced with a binary choice on a ballot, yes. i think this moment calls on joe biden to be a leader. i am encouraged that joe biden is a person of humility, empathy, and character. >> a little tortured, finally got there in the end. it feels like joe biden is coasting without having to do much more than be a grownup.

at this point, the strategy inside the campaign, just be an adult. >> just be a decent human being. look, joy, you started off the show talking about the six states that joe biden is up, six states that donald trump won in 2016, and here's the thing. donald trump has the power of the incumbency, yet joe biden is beating him in these states, almost in every poll. and joe biden is expanding the map. ess he is expanding the map, building a coalition, up in swing states, but obviously we cannot rest easy, we cannot rest easy on the polls, they will go up and they will go down and we have to work for every vote. like that is still very much the case for us, and we understand that and we know that. i think what the polls are saying to us, joy, if you extrapolate from them, basically what you and your guests were saying, which is that folks now

at this moment are reacting to the mismanagement on how badly donald trump is doing currently. i mean, he cannot, escrhe is creating more of a crisis. we have more than 120,000 lost their lives to coronavirus, and he refuses to do the work. he basically put his head in the sand and said it is over, waving the flag with one hand, says don't look at me, i'm not responsible. one of the things when we talk about contrast here, one of the things i want to point out, today when you asked about the campaign, joe biden was in lancaster, pennsylvania having a conversation with families who have benefitted from aca, while what was donald trump's administration doing? they were -- his doj were in court filing a lawsuit to overturn aca. what does that mean?

you're taking health care away from tens of millions of people right now in the middle of a pandemic. and that is what donald trump is all about and this is what we cannot afford four more years of. this is what is at stake in this election. >> let me let you listen to joe biden today, he is talking about donald trump's admission that he wanted to slow testing down so that people wouldn't maybe know that so many people were sick. take a listen. >> he thinks that finding out that more americans are sick will make him look bad. that's what he's worried about. he's worried about looking bad. well, donald trump needs to stop caring about how he looks and start caring about what is happening to the rest of america. >> there's been a fair amount of

bedwetting from democrats and people that watch democrats and say democrats are in disarray, that biden is not out there, not doing lots of things. the thing is, whatever biden is doing, it is working, full stop. it is working. he is contrasting himself with president. so what are the concerns the biden camp has going forward? is it mainly voter suppression and the ability to get people access to the ballot in november, is it cheating by the trump campaign, what they might do to stop people from voting? what are the main concerns. it isn't anything biden is doing, seems to be other factors. what are the other factors you're worried about? >> i think you listed them, voter suppression is real. we saw it in georgia, in wisconsin, saw it throughout the primaries, and have seen this throughout the years, so that is a real thing we will be on top of and we have to educate our voters, make sure we're doing the work in these states so people's votes are counted. i mean, this is what we're talking about. we should be making it easier

for people to vote, but no, there's voter suppression, and we're in the middle of a global pandemic that's very real. so yes, we have to keep our eye on that, make sure we do our job, due diligence as a campaign to make sure people's votes are counted. i want to say one thing about the clip you showed of my boss, joe biden talking about how basically donald trump has abdicated his responsibility as i said earlier. i mean, he is saying he slowed down testing because he doesn't want us to highlight his failures. i mean, that is donald trump. he is all about himself. not about the people of this country. so that is a scary thing we have to remember here. he does not care. >> yeah. so when are we getting a veep name, just between you and me, don't worry about the cameras. who is it going to be and when?

>> you and nicole and everybody. you want to know. all my family and friends. but joe biden said the announcement will come out in august, and i am confident that he'll make the right choice for himself and the country and get us to yosemite to win the election. >> you could have told me. there's just the two of us here. thank you. all right. thank you very much. really appreciate you. coming up. i tried. four months into the pandemic, things are just getting worse and worse and worse. donald trump pretends it is not really happening. doctors in texas and florida are sounding the alarm, and trump cannot escape his nature. forget dog whistles, today he went all in of carving up america by race. we have so much more to get to. stay with us. t to stay with us indistinct talking on tv ]

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the united states with donald trump at the helm reached another milestone yesterday as the country reported its highest number of positive cases in a single day. 2.4 million americans have tested positive for the virus, a number that the cdc director told reporters is probably undercount, and may be closer to 20 million. as cases grow, nine states have had 10% or higher positivity rates among those tested the past seven days. in texas, one of the first states to rush to reopen, more than 100,000 total cases have been reported. yesterday, texas recorded most new cases in a single day since start of the pandemic. today, republican governor greg abbott called it a massive outbreak put a pause on any further phases of reopening. the move does not reverse any of the previous easing of restrictions. in florida, which reported nearly 50% of cases in the past

two weeks reported another 5,000 new coronavirus cases. and for more, i am joined by dr. peter potez, from baylor college of medicine, director of texas children's hospital for vaccine development and cheryl holder from florida international university, internist at jackson memorial hospital. thank you both for being here. dr. holder, i am going to start with you, i want to talk about florida first. i want to play residents of palm beach county which i know very well objecting to the idea that they ought to wear masks. take a listen. >> you literally cannot mandate somebody to wear a mask knowing that mask is killing people. i think all of you should be in a psych ward right the heck now because none of you, none of you know what the hell you are all talking about. >> where do you derive the authority to regulate human

breathing? what you say is the political dogma they're trying to shove down our throats on every commercial, in every store, and it is disgusting. >> i would die for that country, i would die for the constitution. you know what, you disgrace me. you know why? you do not listen to we, the people. >> dr. holder, what do you do with that kind of ideology at play, there's no other country on earth where mask wearing is ideological. what do you do about that? how do you contain a virus spread with that kind of attitude out there. >> you know, as a physician it is always better to look at where this all came from, and in many ways they have been falling vulnerable to mixed messages we have been d as a society in this pandemic. and i think it is very clear if you look across the media, the

messaging has not been as consistent in the leadership and modeling of what we know as science in epidemiology in containing diseases. to have a group that will decide to choose the message they wish because we have not done as great a job as we could, i feel the pain for them and i feel it for the rest of our society. so how do we get that group or any other group? it comes down to clear, firm messaging that this virus is a killer, and people who are already sick or more vulnerable, it accelerates their death. and also what a lot of people won't accept, if i get this infection, i don't know what this infection will mean in 20, 30 years. and we've seen that experience with other viruses. if messaging were much more consistent and clearer and our politicians would trust the science, get trusted messengers, we may not have been in this position where we have people who are willing to take

unnecessary risk. if they happen to live in a community, though, which is realistic, if they're in a community where they're not exposed to anyone and they can socially distance because socioeconomically they're able to do it, socioeconomically their environment is also able to support their not getting this covid, not being exposed to it, they may feel very comfortable in their position, but that's not the reality for so many of our patients, especially the people we're seeing coming in that they do not have the luxury of saying i'm going to live in a five bedroom home. i will have two bathrooms, i can go outside, outside often is very crowded. they may live in apartments. they're much likely to get exposed to the virus or their front line workers, so it is very difficult for everyone to choose which position they're going to take if they're not living the lives of other people who are exposed. >> well, you know, the problem

is depending what state you're in, you get different messages from your governor. if you're in the state of new york, there's been defcon one, we're doing everything to fight the virus, governor cuomo was on the air every day, here's how we're fighting the virus, or you live in a state like texas or florida and there the messaging is we need to reopen disneyworld, more important to get the economy back up. it is difficult to have that consistent messaging. let me let you listen to what the governor of arizona is saying about the outbreak there. >> covid-19 is widespread in arizona. it's in all 15 of our counties. it's growing and it's growing fast across all age groups and demographics. anyone can get this virus and

anyone can spread this virus. this is arizona's first wave and this will not be our last wave. >> that's the serious messaging that i am assuming people need to hear. there's a piece in "the washington post" that says states that reopened early and are experiencing run away infection rates are likely to be burying more dead in july. i mean, this is scary. >> yeah, that's right. so you know, what we saw in the southwestern part of the country and maybe bears resim ambulance to what dr. holder was speaking of in florida, we did pretty well early on in the epidemic. saw what's happening in march and april in new york, we responded when new york did in terms of implementing aggressive

policem program of social distancing, in new york, they suffered a terrible epidemic with thousands of intensive care unit patients. but in the southwestern part of the country, we probably only had virus traunsmission a coupl of weeks, never saw a big surge. in the beginning we did well. modelers said we had to maintain that social distancing through may, maybe into early june, nobody was willing to do that. so we opened prematurely. that was a problem. then the second problem is we did not put in place what i call the belts and suspenders of a more in depth expanded public health infrastructure to maintain that economic opening. now we're in the situation that we have today, and what's happening here in houston is really quite worrisome. seeing arise in cases, a thousand new cases a day in

houston, with some of our models projecting that will be up to 4,000 cases by the week after july 4th, which we won't be able to handle. we're going to have little choice but to reimplement that program of social distancing, and the question is will there be the political will to do it. >> yeah. it is scary and it is going to get worse and worse over the summer clearly. thank you both very much. please stay safe. up next, donald trump spent today doubling down on his blatant question to sew racial division. is this what he thinks will win him re-election or is he unable to escape his fundamental nature. up next, someone that knows trump well, his former author tony schwartz. back after this. schwartz. back after this. do it. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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agitators. they're not protesters, they're agitators. these are anarchists. they're not protesters, they're anarchists and other things. >> i am joined by tony schwartz, co-author of "the art of the deal." tony, i think people want to believe a person that gets to the point of being able to be president of the united states has some strategy in his head, but is that strategy or f fomenting racial hatred something he can't help? >> you know what, joy, you're watching a guy with a living autoimmune disease. you know, he was previously, had an effective immune system. now his immune system turned against him. why? because he's a one trick pony. he has one thing he plays on which is fear and that isn't working any more.

he's really fallen out of touch with where the movement of america is and he doesn't have a second act, he doesn't have a second way of doing things. so he's a carpenter. he's going to take the hammer with the nail and keep nailing it harder. the problem is that nail is now nailed inside as opposed to out in the world, actually it is both. he's having a hugely negative impact on the world, but also having a hugely negative impact on himself. >> you know, he's at the point now it looks like he's trying to salvage whatever is left of his legacy. he sued his own niece to try to block publication of her tell all book. a judge rejected the effort by donald trump's brother to halt publication of a tell all book by his niece, mary trump. the lawyers said the case will be refiled in another court. the idea that robert trump would

sue his nissece and do so whilee was in the icu, can you explain this? >> well, read the quote. it is so obviously written by donald trump, literally by donald trump. what happened is he wanted to be able to make it sound like, first of all, the statement refers to my wonderful brother. let me tell you, i knew robert trump very well when i worked to write "the art of the deal." he couldn't stand donald trump, trampled all over him. donald was a bully who basically pushed robert trump out. now here's robert trump in a situation his life is hanging in the balance, and trump goes to him because he has that power over him and i presume he has money over him, and insists that he be the signatory on the suit. this is all about donald trump. he's going after, this could be i believe, joy, the worst

experience trump has ever had with a description of who he is. this is a woman that's a psychodynamic, does understand who this ghie uy is, had a life around him. you're going to see an amazing depiction of a dysfunctional family. one of the things you'll see probably the first time is how much his parents and the family trauma shaped who donald trump was, is. >> what do you think donald trump will do if he loses? >> well, it's beginning to look, look, this is truly the best of times and the worst of times. i say the best of times, everybody understands what i mean when i say the worst of times. i say the best of times because america is waking up. will it be in time? i don't know, but america is waking up to the nightmare we

have been living the last four years, so it looks on the face of it like trump is headed toward what is potentially historic defeat, and with it, the republican senate turns democratic, the democratic states, and i think if the victory is six or eight points or ten points, it's almost impossible for trump to claim all of the things he would like to claim about how the election results are not credible and, you know, we can't trust them, therefore i'm not leaving. at this moment, i'm not worried about trump refusing to leave the white house. i think he will be escorted out, the military will be part of that. what i am worried about is what he does as he goes down, and he will progressively up the ante, he will become more extreme. the tragedy alone, it is so

ironic that he said i could kill people on fifth avenue and they wouldn't, my supporters wouldn't care, he is killing people all over america right now by not wearing a mask, by not doing what he needs to do around covid, by allowing this to escalate when all over the world it has dropped. this is a time when trump can do even greater damage than he has done already. >> yeah. well, we are all watching. so great to have you around, tony schwartz, to be able to interpret this interesting time, we'll put it that way. please stay safe. still ahead, we're seeing real movement as state and local officials begin to enact much needed police reform. what about congress? that's up next. what about congress? that's up next okay... okay! safe drivers save 40%!!! guys! guys! check it out. safe drivers save 40%!!! safe drivers save 40%!

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right now, lawmakers are debating a proposal on police reform, comes a day after senate democrats blocked a vote on a republican backed bill that doesn't include any of the reform proposals in the house bill. speaker nancy pelosi spoke earlier about the importance of the democratic bill. >> today we have the opportunity and the obligation to ensure that his death and the deaths of so many others are not in vain. when we pass this bill, the senate will have a choice to honor george floyd's life or to do nothing. >> this all comes as the united states faces a moment of reckoning over racial injustice and police brutality. we continue to see headline after headline of the other epidemic plaguing this country. for more, i am joined by paul butler, former federal prosecutor. paul, we are seeing what feels like an epidemic of the cases, and this is since george floyd which is one month ago today,

one month since george floyd was killed. in north carolina, one item here, police officers have been fired after a video caught them making extremely racist comments, one officer referred to a plaqblack woman as a negro. another officer said he would buy a new assault rifle, soon we're going to go out, start slaughtering them expletive, fing expletive. you can imagine what they're saying. that's in addition to protests. what do you do about that in police reform? >> these officers have been on the force for more than 20 years. if i'm a black person who they locked up, i am immediately moving for my case to be reopened. you have to wonder about the culture of a police department where police officers feel free to engage in such racist hate

speech. the democratic bill proposes that when officers have been disciplined, that goes into a national database so that dirty cops can't move from one department to another. so at minimum, these officers should be barred from ever being licensed to kill. >> and we should know the officers blame the comments on the stress, the stress on law enforcement in light of the protests over the death of george floyd. an interesting excuse. another item, you have the family of a colorado kid, this shook me. this is not far from where i grew up. a young man who was 23 years old, elijah mclane, was walking down the street in a ski mask, dancing to music. police got a call, didn't want to stop walking, said he didn't have reason to stop walking. tackled him, put him in a choke hold. a medic injected him with

anesthetic to subdue him. he had a heart attack, died. 23 years old. that case is being reopened. are we going to have to go back based on some police forces, start reexamining old cases? that's what it feels like? >> this young man's crime was wearing a ski mask while black. that's actually not a crime. the police had no problemable cau probable cause to attack and beat him the way they did. they put him in a choke hold, a specific maneuver that prevents blood getting to his brain. so they essentially suffocated him to death. i wouldn't trust a doctor to do that procedure on me, much less a police officer not trained in medicine. in this case, there needs to be a special prosecutor, they work every day with the district attorney every day, and there's

a conflict of interest. here the prosecutor says while the case was tragic, he doesn't see a crime. again, i don't trust that prosecutor. i think there has to be an independent investigation and that these officers should be brought to justice. >> you know, you can go on and on. there's a tucson case, a police chief offering his resignation while a latino man died pleading for water. we almost need a truth in reconciliation commission for policing in america in addition to police reform. is more training the answer? i presume these officers are trained that you can't just stop people because you don't like the way they're walking, that you can't choke someone to death, apply medicine to them like you're a medic. isn't that already in the training? that doesn't seem like training will do anything. >> it is not. this is a structural problem, endemic to too many police departments with this warrior

culture. they see the people they're supposed to serve and protect as enemy combatants. yes, truth in reconciliation, but in the short term, we need the reforms that are proposed in the democratic bill because even if they don't change the culture, at least they'll prevent the police from killing and beating up so many people of color. >> well said, paul butler. always great to talk to you. thank you very much. still ahead, today should have been tamir rice's 18th birthday. i'll have thoughts on that next. . [ engines revving ] ♪ ♪ it's amazing to see them in the wild like th-- shhh. for those who were born to ride, there's progressive.

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welcome back. well, today should have been tamir rice's 18th birthday. today his mom should have been bugging him not to sleep so late or be so loud yelling at his video games. instead, tamir rice never made it passed 12 years old. his sweet little face is frozen in time, this baby face kid who went to a rec center near his home to play cops and ropers in 2018 and was gunned down within seconds by real cops after somebody called 911 on this child looking suspicious. the cleveland cop who killed tamir rice was ultimately fired

for lying on his job application and failing to disclose he lost his last police job in another city after being deemed unfit to serve due to emotional issues. his partner was suspended for using improper tactics by driving too close to tamir before lowman fired him. neither cop was fired for killing the 12-year-old tamir rice for no reason. and the prosecutor went way out of his not to indict either of them. he has since lost his job thanks to black voters who torched him in the 2016 democratic primary. after lowman was fired, he went right over to another police force and got another job as a police officer in a town called bell air. and only left that job because of public outrage from a black lives matter group, tamir rice's

family and throw callocals who feel safe. so apologies to tim scott and your fellow republicans if your feelings were hurt when nancy pelosi said this. >> we're saying no choke holds. they're not saying no choke holds. there is a big difference there. i mean, what's the compromise? some chuck holds. for something to happen, they're going to have to face the reality of police brutality. the reality of the need for justice in policing and the regular in addition that there are many, many good people in law enforcement but not all, and that we have to address those concerns. so far they were trying to get away with murder actually, the murder of george floyd. >> that comment produced the usual fake outrage from

republicans and even some in media. how dare she. that's not bipartisan. but here's the thing. this country clearly, desperately needs police reform, and perhaps the speaker should have been more specific in saying that the party of donald trump and tim scott and mitch mcconnell and lindsey graham, et cetera, et cetera, is trying to slink away, not just from the murder of george floyd but also of tamir rice and breonna taylor and all of the unnecessarily dead while pushing to put far right wing judges on the bench, 200 and counting, who would have surely jeopardized his access to health care and his rights versus the rich and the powerful had he been allowed to become 18. tomorrow night we will big deeper into police reform in our special, the road to reform, and i'll tell you about that and how you can participate next.

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