i will tell you in my humble opinion, keep your television on because we are turning to this special msnbc event, hosting a national town hall on justice and police reform starting right now. lice reform starting right now. >> good evening, and welcome. i'm joy reid. i can't breathe. it's been a month since those last wordse from george floyd d his death after eight minutes and 46 seconds in a police chokehold took the movement for police reform and made it probably. now these voices have reached the halls of congress. >> no justice! no peace! no justice! no peace! say his name! george floyd! i can't breathe! i can't breathe.

>> how many more?>> when i saw him on the ground, i was trying to breathe for him.e >> when i heard about brionna and how they stormed her house without any warning, really, and no cause, i thought it was ridiculous. >> brionna taylor. >> it really wasn't a problem we wouldn't have all the different races comingul together. that speaks volume. that really shows something. >> hands up! don't shoot! >> we're the youth of america. we're the ones supposed to be doing all the these things that are happening. we're not going to stop until something changes. >> this moment of reckoning over racial injustice and police brutality has brought millions to the streets in all 50 states around around the world. seeing george floyd's torment at the hands of minneapolis police officers unleashed a national tore ent of revulsion even as the country remains in the grips of a deadly pandemic.

the righteous anger you've seen is a culmination of an english about black lives taken by police. brionna taylor, that mere rice, anri uncon shanably long list. a l month after george floyd's murder and weeks after the police were charged, the house of representatives passed the justice in policing act, named in his honor, a sweeping reform bill that addresses systemic racism and police brutality and includes a ban on chokeholds and no-knock warrants. hopes for national reform to become law now rests in the united states senate and in the hands of mitch mcconnell, who has already declared the house bill dead on arrival, a rejection of a a movement that s the support of millions in the streets and the majority of the american people. over the next hour, we're going to be answering your questions about what can be done on the

road to reform. and with me for the hour are three mex of the congressional black caucus. karen bath of california, congressman val demings of florida andmi congressman hakim jeffies of new york, also the chair of the house democratic caucus. thank you all for being here. i want to give each of you a chance to react to what this moment chmeans, including the speed with which we've seen legislation happy. ericio garner said "i can't breathe" we didn't see any legislation. the bring oppa taylor case, so much has happened. the question is why now? as you answer the question, i want to go to you on this first, can you answer to the fact that most americans agree there is a systemic problem that needs to be p faced but there are particular americans who do not agree that there's a systemic a problem. one of them is the attorney general of the united states. i want you to sort of talk about what this moment means. also answers to what you hear

william barr saying here. le. >> i s think the media is ignorg the fact that 8,000 african-americans are killed by crime in high crime areas and ten were killed last year by police. six of whom were under attack and shot. you have to put it into perspective, that's why i think it is wrong to demonize all the police and all the police departments as, you know, 178icly racist and going out and looking to shoot unarmed black men. >> what do you make of that? blackon black triemd it.md he completely dismissed the entire movement.d >> i think that's typical but we have to remember the attorney general is serving as the president's permanent attorney, so he's just mirroring the president's dog whistles. i think that is something that always happened in the past to raise the fact that there's back

on black crime and to ignore the fact that people in communities have been addressing that for years. they've lacked resources. they need more resources. it's as though it has been ignored. i think thats the murder of george floyd was so egregious, everybody watched his execution take place over eight minutes, and he clearly was doing nothing. he was handcuffed. he was down on the ground and it was just not up for dispute. and i think that is what has led to this seismic shift in the debate. one of the things that i was soi you know, excited about when my republican colleagues got up anp spoke, no one used the argument that barrus used. that is what has happened typically, but this has been a seismic shift in the consciousness of america because you know in the past, the polling never reflected 70% of there american people who recognize that this is a profound issue that has been happening t for decades and actually generations.

so i am excited about what is happening in the streets, and you know, it can take congress 30 days or 30 years to act, and because this is now an international issue, you have people around the world matching for human rights in the united states. because of that, we acted within 30 days. it was a great night last night and by the way, it was bipartis bipartisan. several republicans stepped up and voted on it, so it was an aexciting evening. >> you did have two congressmen cross over and vote for the bill but the vast majority voted no. while they're very generous to the republican party, what you heard out of republicans, maybe if not all speaking the way barr does in that offensive way is sort of the process you've gone through in answering thises moment. i want to let you listen to senator timo scott of south carolina and the way he's reacted to this moment, he of course having put forward a bill

that didn't have any of the teeth that are in the house bill. take aat listen. >> what actually happened was that the democrats did not believe that we were producing a quality product. once we produced it and then the president put the icing on the cake, came up with an executive order that teen the liberal commentator said this was a meaningful executive order. i think took a leap back because they don't want this president to have a victory on another serious issue confronting the minority communities. this is pure, pure race politics at its worst. >> how are you -- what do you make of that, especially since you served on the impeachment -- you served on the panel of both to impeach this president, so you know very much where he stands on the issues of law and order, but what do you make of his defense of him and the republicans? >> well, it's great to be with you. b

and look, i don't see how tim scott can even begin to try to defend this president. a person has died. george floyd lost his life in a very brutal way and people from around the world watched it. and tim scott has chosen to focus on the president or make this about president trump. this moment has absolutely nothing to do with president trump. we certainly would not be looking to this president to help right the wrongs that have develop on for decades in this country. weor know that the republican bl that was proposed is -- they couldn't possibly be serious. we know that the executive order put forth by the president was absolutely worse than the legislation from the om republicans. and so i am really glad to see the justice and policing act moveng forward. we've talked about the energy on the ground and around the world

quite frankly in all 50 states and we're going to do everything that we can to make sure that our bill doesn't just pass the house but that it will get the attention that it deserves in the senate. >> and congressman jeffreys, how do you make that happen? it doesn't appear that mitch mcconnell is open to the bill that's been passed. it's a pretty comprehensive ns bill, banning chokeholds, no-knock warrants, addresses the issue of whether police should have complete qualified immunity. that's what things are asking forha in the streets. where does this bill go from here, in your view? >> first of all, good evening, joy. great to been on with you and o course with chair woman and val democrat ipgs. i'm honored to be a part. thank you for convening to have this up to hall meeting.

from my standpoint, there is a national problem of police violence, police brutality and the use of excessive force. that's why it deserves national attention, not a peace meal approach by trying to up sent vies this department in one area or that department in another area but not necessarily mandating things across the board, this is a national use of force standard that emphasizes deescalation tactics in the first up stance and the use of deadly force onlye as a matterf last resort. for a national database, such as the knee to the neck that resulted in the murder of george floyd, we believe that the circumstances clearly require a comprehensive response. that's what the george floyd

justice in policing act is all about. abraham linkon once said public sentiment is everything. without it nothing can fail, with it no one can succeed. th id not just within the black community so we love the fact we're honored by the fact that this movement is being led by young african-american women anm young african-american men but it's being joined by people of every race, white, black, la ti tina, multi-generational, ra multi-cultural. we think that ultimately that will force the senate's hand. >> and you know, donald trump i won't even play back the sound but he t just missed the concer about stop and frisk. he praised rudy guiliani for initiating it. he praised bloomberg for it. i'll stay with you just a minute kmap. is this something thatus you permanently experienced? what do you make of -- how far

down do we need to change this? do pliz need to be banned at the federal level from doing things like stop and frisk? >> the justice in policing act does include a ban on racial profilingra which would be comprehensive. the problem with stop and frisk is it was disproportionately deployed in black and latino neighborhoods in way that the statistics did not t justify an the overwhelming majority of people who were stopped, questioned, and frisked, didn't deserve it at the police's own n admission. this is why we need a national solution here. as it relates to stop and frisk and all police tactics. i think all of us have experienced a variety of police encounters that make this personal, you know, i've been stopped in high school. h i've be stopped in college. i've been stopped in law school. i've been stopped as a lawyer.

i've been stopped as a state legislator. i've been stopped as a member of congress, and i know from that conversation thatow my had withe decades ago that any one of thoseny encounters can turn deadly. not because of any criminal conduct or because of the color of my skin and the perceived threat that that could represent as it did with 12-year-old that mere rice. i think the fact that all of us have been sharing those personal experiences to channel the pain that p exists within the african-americanin kmoount and beyond has been an important part of why we were able to come together in such a phenomenal and bipartisan way with respect to to the legislation that was passed yesterday. >> all right. well, we're going to hold all of you for the full hour. our special up to hall, the road to reform continues in just a moment. up next, former nba star steven jackson onnb the george floyd tt

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welcome back. steven jackson played 14 years in the nba, winning a championship in 2003 with the san antonio spurs. he was a chose friend of george floyd for more than two decades. steven jackson joins us now. steven, i wonder if you could tell us what you think your friend george would think about

these seismic changes, the huge change in terms of police reform on what's been created really because of him? >> he would be proud. he would be happy, just like he -- that all 50 states and 18 countries stood up for him. it's tough a guy who showed so much love had to die for someone who showed so much hate. i seen myself town there, because we lived so much alike, when he was getting murdered but my brother was a beautiful soul, somebody i'm definitely going to miss. >> yeah. i can see the resemblance now that you guys are together. tell us the one thing you think the world needs to know about george. >> that he was a typical black man. born in a situation where the odds are against you. the area where you live in, you have to figure it out with a single mom and you make mistakes

and people hold your mistakes against you regardless of your heart, regardless of your heart and passion to get your life right, which he was doing, and the reason he was in minnesota. i've talked to people the day he died he actually just had two job interviews, so his whole mission for going to minnesota was to change his life, so he -- he was somebody that supported me genuinely. somebody that, a in sports a lot of people want to be around you for the wrong reason. he genuinely wanted to see me win. i'm going to miss him. >> you called yourselves twins, it's touching. i want to go to a viewer question. we have a question from rebecca johnson. let's take a listen. >> hi. my name is rebecca from virginia. as we are aware we've lost yet another black man, rachard brooks. what would have been the problem with letting the man go and

issuing a warrant for his arrest after the fact? the officers had his car and his license plate. mr. brooks had no weapon or posed an immediate public safety threat. thank you. >> let me throw that one to you congressman democrat ipgs. why couldn't police just -- they had his car. why are police trained that they have to pursue a suspect, a person in the moment when they coo easily followed up later. they had his car. >> well, joy, one of the greatest tools that police officers have is their discretion, and that is an excellent question. i asked the same question, too, as someone with 27 years of law enforcement experience and had the honor of serving as the chief of police, they knew who he was. they had his car. they had all of his information. they could have arrested him later. they could have found him later. he did not pose a clear and

present danger, a threat to anyone. i believe it was a call about him sleeping and there was -- he was suspected to be under the influence. but he did not pose a threat or a danger to anyone. there was really no reason why the officers could not have utilized that discretion and simply arrested him later. >> are police officers trained in deescalating their own mood, meaning that if they're angry, if a person is talking back to them, if they're angry that a person's running away, is there any training? that doesn't mean you have the excuse to kick someone or shoot someone. is that a part of police training right now? >> joy, you know really the best dwens against that is to have better hiring standards, so

we'll have -- hire people with the right temperament to do the job. however, a police officer is trained to not be able to have their peace breached, if you will, that they're not supposed to respond when people say or do certain things. you're supposed to be above that and exercise your duty within the -- you know what the law allows, so we know that officers, look, they're humans. they go to work with a lot of the same problems everybody else does, but they are supposed to respond as the law and their training allows them. now, deescalation training is something that law enforcement agencies could not do years ago but they've gotten a lot smarter and wiser and deescalation training is a regular part of training in a lot of agencies, but not all of them. and that's why i'm glad in the justice in policing act that it is a part of the training that is being proposed for awful law

enforcement agencies, whether you're 10 people or a 36,000-person agency. >> sure. let's get another viewer question. this regards the officers fired in whilgton, north carolina. disturbing situation. take a listen. >> hi. ie annette from wimg thon, north carolina. earlier this week, three wilmington north carolina police officers were fired when they were caught talking about a civil war is coming and how they are ready. one of the officers said he's going to buy a new assault rifle and go out and start slaughtering black people. how can police officers that are sworn to protect and serve be allowed on the police force with these racist attitudes? thank you. >> i'm going to give that within to you congresswoman. >> first of all, let me say it's an honor and a pleasure to serve

with representative demings and representative jeffreys, because they bring different perspectiv perspectives. i've learned a lot from representative demings in terms of policings and the mind set. i know that this is not the mind set that police are trained in. but you know, one of the real fundamental problems that we face in our country is that when police come to our communities, they come in as warriors. when they go to the other side, in my district i have one side of my district that's primarily white and very affluent and the other is south central los angeles. i've talked to police officers eastern in leadership positions who will tell me that when police officers come out of the academy, there's some that ask to go to south central los angeles so they can kick butt. they want to go there first so they can earn their stripes and then they go off to a quote

unquote better community to serve. what you heard from those officers is deeply deeply troubling. it's frightening, and it should be no surprise, then, that you have a disproportionate impact in terms of people that are murdered that are african-american. what has happened in this time period since george floyd? because we've been fighting these issues for generations. but i think finally, the american people can hear and believe that policing is different in our communities. not from every police officer, but there's some police officers that come in with very hostile attitudes toward black communities and like this one, who wants to go in and essentially kill black people, this is now i think the veil has been lifted off of that and people are not questioning in the same way. before, when there was somebody killed on vaideotape, people

would say we don't know what this person did or what happened before the tape. we're in a new way of thinking in this country. >> we certainly are. i'm going to thank you all. thanks to steven jackson for being with us. really, really appreciate steven being a part of the conversation. coming up, questions about defunding the police and whether that really means they won't show up when you call. our virtual town hall continues next. stay with us. the tempur-pedic breeze° makes sleep...feel...cool. because the tempur-breeze° transfers heat away from your body. so you feel cool... night after night. during the tempur-pedic summer of sleep, save $500 on all tempur-breeze mattresses.

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and we are back with kwon was of california, congresswoman val demings and jeff rigs. >> i'm george ann from pittsburgh, pennsylvania. the police sound frightening.

it sound like no one's going to come when i call no911 when i'mn danger. how could a message of refunding priorities be better packaged? >> congressman jeffreys, how do you understand from defund the police as an idea and is it addressed in the bill? >> well, there's nothing in the bill that deals with defunding the police, because that, of course s. a decision that has to be made at the state and local lev level, but funding priorities are a conversation that every community should be having because there are certain jobs that the police are called upon to do that would billion better performed by social workers or by vice president interrupters who got credibility in the community but by substance abuse

counsellors who may know how to approach someone in the state of alleged public intoxication. those are discussions that should be happening and are occurring in communities all across the country and in new york city right now. that is the right thing to do. i was troubled a few months ago prior this moment of rec oping on the question of race when city hall suggested they would hold the nypd bunt harmless at 6 million dollars and totally eliminate summer youth employment. those have to be totally re-evaluated in the context of the moment that we're in the we're truly going to promote the life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness that is supposed to be available to every single american. >> let's hear another question and this one is i believe on qualified immunity.

let's take a listen. >> hello. my name is deborah. i am from largo, florida. i have a question concerning the qualified immunity portion of the bill. i have two sons that are police officers. they work for a nationally accredited police department and they each have four-year degrees in capitol hill justice. they have concerns, as do i as their mother, that this could open up the door for potential frivolous lawsuits against police officers. they both have young families, preschool age children in their open homes, so if you could explain further how this will be enforced, i would appreciate it. thank you very much. >> we'll give that to you congresswoman demings. how would it work if you altar the immunity police officers are

granted for fear of lawsuits? >> thank you for that question. we know that police officers have a duty to act. when they are called to a disturbance or a fight or something, they cannot make the decision that they're not going to go and, you know, be concerned that they might get in trouble, so they're not going to respond. they do have a duty to act. however, qualified immunity deals with action that number one, has to be within the scope of their duties, but number two, in order to -- for the officer to not be covered by qualified immunity, the plaintiff has to show that the officer violated clearly established law, and this is the difficult part, and then point to a case that is already -- has already been decided with similar circumstances now, so i can tell you that is near impossible, and that's what really makes it extremely difficult to hold

officers that have been reckless in their behavior accountable, to find a case where -- with almost the exact same circumstances that has already been decided in law is near impossible, so there doesn't -- >> right. >> i believe there does need to be modifications in that area. >> this question is from a young viewer who had a question. take a listen. >> hello. my name is aidan. i am 13 years old and live in new jersey. my parents and older siblings have taught me about the role of race in american history. my question is besides posting on social media and attending rallies and peaceful protests, what can we do as individuals to further the cause of racial equality and social justice? thank you. >> aiden is 13 and that question

is going to you, chair woman bass. >> well, first of all, aidan, thank you for your question, and i'm glad that you're thinking about these issues at your age. i want you to know that i first got involved when i was your age, and so you are never too young to become active, and one of the first things that you can do is learn a lot about u.s. history. you can learn a lot about u.s. history and you can become active in your school and make sure that you're getting a quality education and make sure that the history of all pile are taught in your school, because styles the history of african-americans and other people's of color are not included very fwhwell in our history books. we don't know a lot about our history. we tend to only like the good stories. so learn as much as you can about u.s. history. get very good grades. but you can be a student activist. i started when i was in middle

school and you can start, too. you can run for city -- you can run for student council. you can run city council, too. but you can run for student council. you can get involved. if you see issues that are happening with your students drks because one thing that happens in schools, is there's a lot of black kids boys and girls that get suspended and expelled from school. you can see if that's happening on your campus. you can find out why. you can go to the parent-teacher association if you're having those kind of problems and you can say this is a problem in our school. we need to address it. too many kids are being suspend ltd. you can find out whether or not the kids are being stopped in your community. there's a lot to do. being 13, you don't have to wait until you get older. you can get active right now. you can fight on behalf of social justice and racial justice right now as a 13-year-old. >> all right. aidan, i suspect, will do very

well. we have another question. everybody had their eyebrows raised about this culture of policing. >> my naim is james, i'm from office. i come from a family of white supreme cysts. i argued for decades against their atrocious attitude and never made a dent. i'm estranged from them and a proud godfather to a black family. whirch as my best friends. i was wondering if i can't change the attitudes of the culture, the people in my own family, how can we hope to change the culture of the police? thank you. >> congresswoman demings, as someone who has served adds head of a very large police organization, how difficult is it for sergeants, for chiefs to rid their offices of people with the kind of attitudes that this man's family has that we saw in north carolina? >> let me say, again, the best

deterrent against that is to try to hire people the brightest and the best, people in the first place, who don't have those attitudes and that's can why it's so important that we take a look at as the federal government at trying to develop some hiring standards that will help to professionalize, if you will, the profession, but joy, you're absolutely right. i mean, it's challenging. sometimes police chiefs and sheriffs do not have the authority because of something called the officer bill of rights, to really hold police accountable as they styles deserve to be held. i think it's important to remember the overwhelming majority of officers are good, decent people. but they all are not. so i believe this is a moment for us to be able to sit down with police chiefs, sheriffs, unions and others to look at better ways to hold officers accountable.

look, the good police officers want us to be able to do that. but in order to do it, we got to change the laws, because the existing laws do not give chiefs and sheriffs the authority that they need at this time. >> all right. we've had great questions from our viewers. an excellent discussion on some very important topics. when we return, the power of police union. we'll be right back after this short break. we'll be right back after this short break. a credit on their auto insurance. because it's the right thing to do. we're also giving payment relief options to eligible members so they can take care of things like groceries before they worry about their insurance or credit card bills. right now is the time to take care of what matters most. like we've done together, so many times before. discover all the ways we're helping members at usaa.com/coronavirus discover all the ways we're helping members it's basically free money. it's an easy way to earn cash back on the stuff i'm already buying. sometimes it's 3% sometimes it's 8% but you're always getting cash back. so it's like getting free money. go to rakuten.com and sign up today for a $10 bonus.

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welcome back. one of the issues that's kim through in this debate about police reform is the power and influence of police unions. we asked one of the leading voices in the movement to kick off this conversation. >> i'm brittany cunningham. i am an activist, an educator and an mayweather contributor. i have a question about police unions. i am a former yup educator and believe deeply in collective bargaining in a free society. i found out that police unions

behave much like the nra than they do your average teachers union. in places like minneapolis and so many other police union contracts around the country, we know that officers that are fired for misconduct and for killing someone can be reinstated and receive back pay through a private arbitration process. what are you going to do to make sure that as law changes and as progress is made around the country that police unions don't simply come behind all the hard work and undermine it and undo it? >> i'm going to throw that to you, congressman skbrefries. >> thanks for that question and thank you for the advocacadvoca. it's known that police have been a problem with change and change in transformation. the officers i interact with i find to be hard working individuals who are in the community to protect and serve.

we cannot deny that there are violent officers, abusive officers, brutal officers who cross the line and far too often they are never held accountable. and one of the reasons why accountability doesn't occur is because of the police union, which in many up stances, notwithstanding the most egregious set of facts defends the behavior of that officer. that's one of the reasons why we got stronger accountability measures in the joiftd justice in policing act so we can hopefully change behavior and if that behavior doesn't change in certain instances, there will be serious sequences to pay, both on the criminal side and on the civil side, which is why we are ending qualified immupity. there is some reason to believe, however, that even at the national level the attitudes of

some of the police organizations are changing in this moment. the fraternal order of police with great leadership from karen bass and chairman nadler and speaker pelosi, who are in conversation as this was developed with stake holders from across the spectrum, took a new position on the bill that we just passed. they did not oppose it. that's progress. and that same from term order of police worked with us, cedric richmond, myself, on the first step act which was the historic criminal justice reform we were able to get over in 2018. what we're seeing in america is a seismic change but we're going to have to make sure at the local level in some of these contract negotiations that mayors and coup executives and others are held accountable for the type of contracts that they are negotiating with these police units.

>> ok. we have another question that is somewhat letted, and this is about what can happen with police officers who have been terminated. take a will. >> hi. my name is naj. i'm from massachusetts. my question to the panel is, would you support taking away an officer's pejs on termination or using an officer's pension to pay for the lawsuits filed against him? >> also, this one for you congresswoman demings. you've been an officer and also being a mayor and having to deal with the budgetary issues that happen when settlements have to be paid and in a lot of these moveme -- do you believe that officers' pension should have that amount detukt ducted when they commit time? >> joy, what i can tell you, you're absolutely correct. i have been in that position before and we have denied officers their pensions who were

engaged in gross misconduct. i fully support that. and i can tell you what. as we talked about the overwhelming majority of police officers are good, decent people. they support it as well. we've seen officers engaged in misconduct should have their pensions terminated, and we have done it. >> all right. let's go to another question. >> my name is a.j., a candidate for the upcoming special election in south minneapolis, the epicenter which triggered this very important question. my question to the congressional black caucus is do you agree with the notion that our american policing system needs to be dismantled and abolished? and if so, what tangible federal legislation will you pursue in order to ensure transformation, not reform, of our american policing system? thank you. >> chairwoman bass, i'll throw this one to you because there is

a significant portion of the movement that goes beyond the idea of defunding to the idea of really scrapping the current system and starting over. what do you make of that? >> well, i absolutely believe that the current system needs to be transformed, and that was what we are doing in the george floyd justice in policing act. the measures that we call for are transformational. and, you know, the question that you asked representative demings about the pension, you know the officers that executed george floyd will be enable for $1 million in back pension, and he should absolutely not get that. the question that was asked earlier about the racist police officers that wanted to execute black people, they should be terminated. we are calling for a national regul registry where if you terminate somebody, they can't go to another police department.

so the measures we are calling for in the bill is transformative. i do think that there are instances in my region, for example, compton, california. they got rid of their police department because it was riddled with corruption and abuse. but they brought in another department. so the idea of abolishing police completely, and maybe that's what they will do in minneapolis, too, because i know they're talking about that. but that doesn't mean no law enforcement comes in all. it means they look for another department to come in. but i do believe we have to look at what we have done over the years of divesting in communities and instead of defund, i would say we need to refund communities in terms of the services and all that are needed. police officers should not have to deal with mental illness, with substance abuse, with marital problems. so we really do need to take a look at these issues in society at the federal level, and we need to put resources back in

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hello. my name is malik daniels. my question is for representative demmings. as a potential vice presidential candidate, how would you bridge

the divide or work with the black lives matter movement? what are three specific things you would do to reach out to the movement and its supporters in light of their stance on defunding the police? thank you. >> all right. welcome back. and congresswoman, how do you answer that? three things you would do to work with black lives matter. >> well, malik, thank you so much for that question. and i think most people know that before i came a law enforcement officer, i served as a social worker. so i have been working closely on the ground with the community for a long time to solve some of our toughest problems. and when i became a police officer, when i first was appointed chief, crime was at an all-time high, violent crime. but i realized quickly that we could not arrest our way out of those problems, that we also had to invest in some of the social ills that cause decay in communities in the first place. i would love to create advisory

boards, including members from the movement that could help us look at some of the other -- of course police misconduct, but substandard housing, substandard education, substandard lending, other areas where we frequently see discrimination and racism within our community. i believe their voices are so important and they need to be heard. we have an opportunity to appoint a lot of people to different boards. we need their voices. i would look forward to regular meetings to make sure that the policies that we are moving forward are not just our policies but the policies of the people. and we know the voices of black lives matter are critical voices. thank you. >> and we are blessed that we have two people who are being vetted potentially to run with vice president -- former vice president joe biden. so i will ask the same question of you, congresswoman bass. >> well, first of all, i have

worked with black lives matter from the beginning. the three women that founded black lives matter i talk to frequently, work with. as a matter of fact, what we're doing right now is planning a briefing with members of the congressional black caucus. a couple of weeks ago, we had a briefing on justice in policing act, and we had alicia garza and patricia colors, the two original founders of black lives matter in los angeles. malina an due la is someone i have known for more than 20, 25 years. she's one of the leaders in los angeles. she's on my people's council, which is an advisory council i have in my congressional office. they are activists fighting for the same change i fought for 47 years ago when i was a member of the coalition against police abuse. so these are issues i have worked on for years. i'm an elder to that group now and honored to be so and work with them. and what i am hoping is that

they keep protesting peacefully every day until we get a bill on the president's desk. >> yeah. indeed. indeed. well, i want to thank all of your guests. congresswoman karen bass, congresswoman value demmings. thank you all to all of our viewers who submitted questions. please don't go anywhere. "all in" with chris hayes is up next. tonight on "all in," absolute failure, catastrophic new virus numbers as florida and texas begin to close back down. tonight they were all warned, and they all failed us. and it is time for this president to resign. then it's not only red states. why california is suddenly locking down an entire county. plus, abuse of force. why colorado is suddenly investigating a