you are holding on to a hope. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm natalie morales. thank you for watching. first up on msnbc, covid-19 alarm. a spike in cases forcing new shutdowns from beaches to bars in business cities. the new record numbers in a single day. fear of flying, a new report on how much americans will travel over the sunday and whether they will ever take the friendly kies again. head to head in the presidential race suggesting troubles for trump. the key states where joe biden has a lead. historic change, the last state flag to drop the confederate symbol, but it might be a close vote. details next. >> close vote in this 2020 flag from 1800s.

>> and we're already halfway through 2020 as well. >> that's true. just getting -- >> saturday morning. good morning, i'm cori coffin. >> i'm candice gibson. thank you for being with us. let's say good morning to orlando. okay. so this is a traffic cam on a saturday morning. what more do you expect? but that said, the nba just finalized its plans to restart its season right there late next month at disney world. there have been some players who have tested positive for covid-19 but they have their own sort of ordeal and plans to make sure that all of the players are safe. the nba says a new game schedule will come with strict health and safety measures. >> 16 players testing positive. we begin with the latest on the coronavirus pandemic as well. a troubling surge in new cases, more than half the states in the country are seeing the increases, at least five states reported daily records of new

infections on friday. that includes florida, georgia, tennessee, idaho and utah. all seeing their highest number of cases in a single day. in florida the sudden rise in the new cases is prompting major changes ahead of the fourth of july weekend. miami-dade county's mayor announcing all beaches in the county will close. the mayor's order also bans gatherings of more than 50 people and says that there can be no public viewing of fireworks. a new warning from dr. anthony fauci. in yesterday's coronavirus task force briefing in the first two months dr. fauci urging for more caution, saying social distancing and wearing a mask is a societal responsibility. >> you have an individual responsibility to yourself, but you have a societal responsibility if we want to end this outbreak, really end it and then hopefully when a vaccine comes and puts the nail in the coffin we've got to realize that

we are part of the process. and overseas the european union is on the verge of barring american travelers when it's reopening its borders next week. two diplomats tell nbc news that the eu has drawn up a list of countries whose infection levels are low enough to allow their citizens to travel into those countries. the u.s. dz not meet that criteria. in the meantime governors in texas and florida are making moves that they had hoped to avoid. rolling back reopenings as cases among young people skyrocket. >> here with more is nbc's sam brock. >> reporter: after reopening restaurants and bars just last month, a full scale about face in texas and florida. the sunshine state suspending alcohol consumption inside bars after setting a record for daily cases, nearly 9,000. and a bigger pull back in texas, the governor closing down all bars and bringing restaurant capacity back to 50%. officials from houston to austin

raising the alarm. >> we find ourselves careening toward a catastrophic and unsustainable situation. >> this is crunch time for us. we need everybody to religiously wear their masks and to social distance. >> reporter: for one rest ant and bar owner in the lone star state closed this week because an employee contracted covid, it was about time. >> what was your reaction to the governor's decision? >> i think the decision was correct. i think right now we all have to get on the same page because if we don't get on the same page it's going to get more and more and more. >> reporter: across town another business making changes. the kaloche recently brought back in home dining only to take them away and replace social distancing cues before the governor's mandate. the fears here not only about health. what is your greatest concern. >> that we are going to start laying off people. >> reporter: houston at 100% capacity for icu beds and doctors in east texas reporting,

too. >> i'm having trouble finding somebody to accept your loved one, there's nothing i can say to make those feelings better. >> reporter: the white house coronavirus task force announcing the overwhelming majority of new cases are among young people not taking precautions to likely won't get seriously ill but will spread the virus. >> you will infect someone else who will i'm effect someone else. ultimately you will infect someone who is vulnerable. >> reporter: 21-year-old adrianna carter recently contracted covid days after a night at a bar without a mask. >> just because you are a healthy 20 something-year-old does not mean you cannot be a carrier and give it off to others. >> reporter: a sharp reminder that could be the difference in the urgent fight for containment. sam brock, nbc news, houston. nbc's sam brock, thank you. all right. that new alarm prompting the first white house coronavirus task force news conference in

weeks. >> joining us from the white house nbc's josh lederman who is there early this morning. josh, what does bringing these briefings -- bringing them back, rather, signal, actually? >> well, ken dis, the president has wanted to be focused not on coronavirus but on the economy on more positive news, but white house officials keenly aware with these cases spiking across the country they needed to start communicating more. that people wanted to hear from the task force about what the government is doing to try to respond to what we're seeing in the sun belt and in other parts of the country, but there was a sharp divide that we saw between vice president mike pence who addressed that task force briefing and the actual members of the task force with pence eager to try to comply with what the president wants, which is to not have a focus on negative news. so we heard pence describing what he said was encouraging news in the form of increased testing, describing hot spots that have occurred across the

country, but suggesting we are not in the kind of place that we were two weeks ago. a different message from dr. fauci, dr. birx, in particular dr. fauci warning that we have a serious problem right now. take a listen to what he said about why we are experiencing these increased cases across the country. >> this resurgence of cases, i don't think there's time enough now all day to try to analyze and figure out the multi-fac multi-facetted elements that went into that. you know, everything from maybe opening a little bit too early on some, to opening at the right time but not actually following the steps in an orderly fashion, to actually trying to follow the steps in an orderly fashion, but the citizenry did not feel that they wanted to do that for a number of reasons, likely because everyone feels the common feeling of being pent up. >> reporter: it was notable that this briefing did not take place at the white house like we saw those briefings a few months ago, instead officials went over to the health and human services department to hold that

briefing. that's a reflection of the fact that we don't expect these briefings to start back up on a daily basis like we saw them before, the president so insistent that the oxygen in the room not all be consumed by coronavirus. and one other division we saw between the vice president and some of the officials on the task force in that briefing is a division over how vigorously to implement these cdc recommendations. we heard the vice president three times in his appearance at the task force briefing urging americans to pray. we did not hear him urge americans to wear masks. >> so the science versus that. interesting there. hey, josh, the president was expected to go to bedminster to go golfing in new jersey today, it got abruptly canceled. he claims that he wanted to protect d.c. have we gotten any more on why this abrupt change? >> we haven't gotten a lot. that was actually on an airplane

to new jersey to cover that presidential trip to bedminster when we got the news the trip had been scrapped. we asked white house officials does this have to do with what we're seeing with coronavirus? did the president want to stay back to handle that? we were told by white house officials this had nothing to do with that. as you mentioned, with he saw this presidential tweet saying that he wanted to stick around to help monitor the protection of monuments here in washington, d.c. >> okay. so obviously there is something else that's at bay right there. we will watch that space. nbc's josh lederman at the white house, thank you. meanwhile, the spike in covid cases is pushing the u.s. single day increase now to yet another record. we see it day in and day out, now 40,000 cases. >> let's join now dr. pezeretti the medical director of infection prevention for atrium health. she's joining from us north carolina. thank you for joining us. first, what's your reaction to these startling new numbers? how concerning should it be for all of us?

>> it's definitely very concerning, not only the increase in cases but in many areas of the country we're seeing increasing hospitalizations and in some areas that's threatening the capacity of the hospitals to handle the influx of patients. >> doctor, because of these spikes some states actually seeing and pausing their reopening plans, having to go backward. some of them trying to put these restrictions back in place, but is it too late for that? and should all states that are seeing a resurge implement restrictions? >> so, you know, we have shown that when cases are increasing sharply putting measures of social distancing back in place can calm things down, so we had a spike early on, social distancing was put in place, we were able to flatten the curve. i think there's room for rational kind of continuing reopening, but we have to have put those public health measures into place. the large group gatherings, the masking in public, you know, we have to reinforce those basics

if we want to continue to have business reopening. >> i take a look at the map and i look at all those states that are in that deep red and i remember where we take a look at right there, we remember where new york state was the epicenter for some time. as you look at that map and you know what is in place in many of these states, which one is more concerning to you? >> yeah, so definitely the states that have -- as they reentered did it more slowly and put those measures in place to kind of not just go back to normal life but do things differently as we move forward are not seeing as sharp an increase in the number of cases and hospitalizations that we are seeing in other areas of the country. >> that said, california did everything right supposedly and their numbers are on the rise. >> right. >> texas didn't. so what's -- between the two, what's more concerning? >> you know, i think what it ultimately comes down to is

whether hospitals have the capacity to handle the volume of patients. you know, it is complicated because part of the increase is due to increases in testing, testing different populations. so what it really comes down to is can we provide care for patients both with covid and non-covid and some states are handling that better than others. >> let's talk about the death rate as well. there's obviously a lag or maybe there is not aing la. i really want to know what you make of the data, the fact that the numbers haven't gone up in the death rate yet. does that mean that our front line responders have gotten better at treating covid or does it mean there is a lag in the data? >> no, i think it's multi-factorial. we fully expect deaths to lag behind increasing cases so i think the next month or so will be telling. i do think we have more experience, we have some newer medications that have some early signs of efficacy that are playing a role and also, you know, again, the testing, who we're testing, comes into play with mortality so by testing

more you have a bigger pool that you are looking at deaths from. so i do think it's multi-factorial and hopefully we continue to see that trend. >> doctor, what do you make of these new cdc numbers that i'm looking at right now where they say that the number of cases could be ten times higher than reported, around 20 million by their count? >> yeah, so i don't -- honestly i don't think that's super surprising. this virus is very tricky, either patients without symptoms or very mild symptoms may not get tested and, you know, we didn't have access to testing early on, so i think it's not super surprising that the number of cases is likely much higher than we actually have counts of. >> and it's parties not protests that are behind these numbers, right? >> it is largely in my experience, you know, group gatherings, going to the beach with a big group for holidays, you know, we haven't seen the numbers associated with protests that we were expecting.

part of that probably is that those were largely outside, a number of individuals wore masks, that kind of stuff, but it is more the socialization aspect that we're seeing than associated with protests. >> quite interesting indeed. dr. passeretti, thank you. >> thank you. history may be about to be made in mississippi. the effort to remove the confederate emblem from the state's flag. and the major american airlines announcing they are booking full flights even as covid cases skyrocket. n as covid cases skyrocket.

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confederate symbol. >> joining us a rochelle ritchie a former house democratic committee press secretary and clay kaine sirius xm urban view host and political commentator, the man who runs the games and knows the answers. not bitter at all. so let's start with you, rochelle. how important would you say this is by them making this move? >> look, i'm very excited about this move. my roots start in mississippi and in parts of arkansas as well, so to know that, you know, my ancestors who were possibly slaves in mississippi and more so long have had to live under the unfortunate veil of this racist flag, i think this is the right move and the right direction, but i want us to be cautious on exactly what this does. does it change the flag? yes, it does. but does it change the history? does it change the racist hearts of people in states like mississippi or across the country? absolutely not.

so i think it's great that we are making these sort of changes but it does not do anything when it comes to necessarily changing the hearts of racist is and racism in this country. >> yeah, that's the first step, right, changing the hearts and minds. clay, in 2001 mississippi voters were given the chance to change the flag through public referendum, 64% voted not to. what has changed today? do you think it's public attitude? do you think it's other factors here? do you think also that there's enough support to be changed now? >> you know, i think people have always been outraged by the state flag, right? you know, one might say attitudes have changed. i don't know. i think there are plenty of people who are against having the flag being changed. but what i will say is that america has never atoned for its original sin of slavery. we literally have a president right now who is more passionate about a state flag or confederate con umts than he is about somebody wearing a mask to

prevent themselves from getting the coronavirus. our history in this country i was saying this last week is propaganda. until people understand the nuances of their so-called history and so-called culture, like rochelle said, we are not going to change the hearts, the mind and our education system. people don't know the background of robert e. lee. so it is really a failure in the way in which this country has not atoned for slavery and jim crow. >> you mentioned the monuments. of course, president trump pledging to prevent more confederate con umts from being torn down saying he signed an executive order threatening long prison terms. rochelle, how important is it to have some of these statues removed and should protesters let the process play out even if it may never play out in some states or are they moving forward saying this is the people's will? >> well, i think we first have to jaund why these statues were put up in the first place, yes, some of them were put up after the civil war but a majority of these statues were put up during

the civil rights movement and it was basically to send a sign that people wanted white supremacy to continue to rein in this country. those statues represent white supremacy, they represent a hatred for black people in this country, they represent shadow slavery. so, yes, it is time for them to come down. look, the confederate -- the coward confederate lost the war. okay. so put their statues in some museums somewhere. president trump talks about building a wall. how about you build a museum where you can put all the racist statues in there and all the people who identify with racism can visit them and be proud of this so-called culture they claim we are taking away interest them. i think the protesters absolutely, you know, if there is a process, let the process mri out, but at the same time as i've said before, you know, and as clay mentioned, if you are not going to change the history book, if you are not going to change the way that children and

people are taught about slavery and black history in this country, then what are we really doing because we know that this history, black history, has taught black children to make them feel inferior and that has to change. >> you do kind of have to hope that they read a little bit of a history book including before knocking down a statue of grant, right? i'm hoping. >> you would hope so, but doesn't seem like it. >> all right. somebody who studied grant so well, was infuriating to see some of those statues coming down. according to "politico" trump sees, though, an opening in the statue wars and most americans actually support removing confederate statues, but trump allies think a majority will turn against a push to remove other monuments. clay, do you kind of see it in the same way? >> no, i don't see it in the same way. i think it's all about context. here is an example that i always think of, right? you don't see adolf hitler

statues in germany. you don't see students attending adolf hitler high school. right? so the thing is trump has to defend confederate statues because he has no plan. this is a great talking point when it comes to the election. he is bombing with the economy, he is bombing when it comes to health care, he is bombing in polls, so he of course is going to go to to be quite frank a racist talking point when it comes to confederate statues and says how far is it going to go? it's going to go as far as it needs to go and so people, especially trump, understands the history of this country. but it doesn't shock me a man who was impeached and who thought that we still have someone alive like frederick douglass, who still believed that, is going to defend a confederate statue. it's a great talking point for him that you are going to see at standup comedian rallies. weigh want to turn to cole where the governor ordered a new investigation into the death of elijah mcclain, the 23-year-old unarmed black man who died after

an arrest. this happened last august. look at some of nbc's gabe gutierrez reporting on this. >> reporter: this is surveillance video of elijah mcclain's final trip to buy iced tea at a convenience store in aurora, cole, last august. his family says he sometimes wore a ski mask to keep warm because he was anemic. >> 911 what is the address of the emergency? >> reporter: minutes later this 911 call. >> he is walking south on billings street he has a mask on. >> reporter: the caller tells a dispatcher a man looks sketchy but makes no mention of any crime. >> were any weapons involved or mentioned? >> no. >> reporter: officers arrive at the scene. >> you're being suspicious. >> reporter: within 19 seconds an investigation. >> let go of me. no, i am an introvert. please respect the boundaries that i am speaking. >> stop testing us. >> stop. >> relax. >> i'm going home. >> relax or i'm going to have to change this situation. >> reporter: during a struggle one officer says this.

>> [ inaudible ]. >> reporter: officers then apply a choke hold on his neck. eight minutes pass with mcclain on the ground occasionally throwing up. paramedics soon give him a sedative. seven minutes later responding officers are told he has no pulse in the back of an ambulance. >> are you serious? >> yeah. >> reporter: he is revived but is brain dead and is taken off life support three days later. an investigation investigation found the officers followed policy and an autopsy found the cause of death undetermined. >> so many questions left here. really quickly, clay, this happened ten months ago. why do you think the governor is only just now taking action? >> only because of pressure not because of principle not because a 23-year-old was killed. i had the lawyer on my show earlier this week for the family. this is heart breaking. i have to quickly say this, this

idea of training, i don't know what kind of training a police officer needs to know that you don't put somebody in a choke hold and strangel them until they vomit or you don't shoot and kill a 12-year-old named tamir rice who is birthday was this week he would have been 18 years old within three seconds of driving up on him. i don't know what kind of training you need to know to not do that. the story is heartbreaking, terrifying and my condolences go out to the family. elijah mcclain. >> he looked suspicious? what the hell does that even mean? >> you know rk, kendis, i have say this, i am so sick and tired of this. i am sick and tired of it. this is the thing, these are the ones that are starting to pop up because they weren't recorded by a bystander. you know? these are the ones that we don't know about. and it makes you wonder how many of these cases exist of black people in this country being murdered by police officers? and furthermore, i think we need to start really looking at these

medical examiners because every single time a black person is killed by the police it's undetermined, it's a different cause of death. anything that basically, you know, keeps the police from being responsible for the murder of people. this is absolutely ridiculous and these people that are calling 911 because you see someone walking down the street not committing a crime, they are just as responsible. i'm sick of it. i'm sorry. i'm so sick of it. >> you see a black man walking down the street, that's really like -- >> that's a crime in america. a black man walking down the street is a crime. >> and the word suspicious always comes with that with the 911 call. rochelle ritchie and clay kaine, thank you guys. we appreciate you being with us this morning. one of the keys to stopping the pandemic may be in your own pocket or handbag, of course. and how it's used in europe to track coronavirus may be a lesson for the u.s. and tonight you can watch the global goal, unite for our

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welcome back in. scientists in europe are pushing digital contact tracing apps to help monitor the spread of coronavirus. >> while some countries like germany are seeing a high number of down loads others like france are struggling to get its citizens on board. >> carl, how do the apps work? why are some getting push back as well? >> reporter: good morning to you both from a very rainy london here. i mean, clearly the u.s. struggling to get the coronavirus under control, so

any app or any tool that might help is worth looking at. these are just apps on your smartphone, these coronavirus contact tracing apps. these generally work using something like bluetooth or gps to follow your movements throughout the day and later notify you if you have come into close contact with someone who tests positive for the coronavirus. these apps come with some concerns about the privacy of your data, about the effectiveness of the technology overall and whether or not people actually download these apps. despite those concerns many countries here in europe have started to roll out coronavirus tracing apps. we took a look at a few of them and many of those concerns are still there. you mentioned france. this app has been out for three weeks but has the lowest download rate in europe. many people concerned about the privacy of their data, apparently it doesn't protect it very well. there's also concerns about whether it works at all, only 14 notifications so far about potential exposure. one bright spot, germany nearly

15% of the population has downloaded the app in just a little more than ten days, that's an incredible rate there. also very secure when it comes to your -- the privacy of your data. now, in the u.s. lots of hype for these apps but they really haven't caught on, only a few states here and there have developed their own. i spoke, actually, with the former national coordinator for health information technology under president obama, he says, look, these apps shouldn't be seen as a silver bullet. here is what he said. >> i just think it's funny how much a disproportionate amount of attention these tools are getting and i often fear that it's because we are not willing to fund fundamental public health capacity and instead we are always trying from lurching from panic to panic through a series of kplas ensees and we are refusing to adequately fund the core public health infrastructure in our country. >> for now in the united states

it's traditional contact tracing, people picking up the phone and using it to call people and tell them if they've been in contact with someone who tested positive for covid-19. as we know with these huge rates, all these new daily case that is makes this kind of contact tracing extremely difficult. that's a lot of phone calls to make. guys? >> that's a lot more training, it's going to take much more time. carl, thank you. >> a lot of rain. very typical for london this time of year. >> rainy london. new today an appeals court declaring the use of military funds to build a border wall unlawful. the ruling came from the 9th circuit court of appeals. it found the trump administration violated the constitution when it diverted $2.5 billion that congress appropriated for the military. just this week president trump visited the border to mark 200 miles of wall construction and said another contract was recently awarded. joining us now danny savalas

msnbc legal analyst. this is not the first time a court has found this illegal did you but the supreme court i wish ewing a stay after the lower court ruling and then the administration went ahead and used those milary funds while the appeal was pending, not to be cliché here, but you can't put the toothpaste back in the tube so will there be consequences for them already having done this? >> it's hard to say it's still in the appeals process. because we're treading on new legal ground there is no limit until these cases arrive if they arrive at the supreme court it's hard to say. at each level the court will look at the case brand-new with a fresh set of eyes. what's so interesting here is that this is a case where the court had to determine what's called standing and it's an issue that people don't take a lot of have in, but it may be one of the most important issues in any case is whether or not a weather really has any business involving themselves in a lawsuit. a classic example is taxpayer standing.

i know kendis loves paying taxes but for the regular taxpayer we don't love paying taxes but we don't have the standing to challenge tax policy on our own. if i don't like tax policy or my taxes i can't sue the federal government because i don't have standing, i don't of any interest different than all the other people in the united states. but in this case they found that people who wanted to hike or observe the beauty or even do studies on the border actually had standing to challenge this policy, which is very interesting and going forward really has big implications for standing for people who want to challenge this border wall. >> i love it when people in florida talk about taxes. so the administration, danny, says that it will appeal this to the supreme court. do you get a sense they are just buying time? >> in the past we have seen that this administration has a why not attitude when it comes to appealing. why not? they will roll the dice and i think the administration perceives this supreme court as

being friendly for them, however, some of the recent opinions by justice roberts and justice gorsuch may give the administration cause for concern, but at least statistically they are looking at a supreme court that will at least give them a fighting chance, especially because trump incorrectly perceives the ninth circuit where this opinion came from to be very liberal. it's not necessarily that liberal, but trump would rather take his chances, i'm sure, with a supreme court with at least two justices that he appointed. >> danny, let's get to the doj's thursday night brief urging the supreme court to strike down the entire affordable care act. the court of course previously did decide to uphold obamacare, that was with chief justice john roberts joining in on the more liberal judges 20-12 decision. why does the trump administration believe that they can actually bring this up again and win this time? >> this is fascinating because if you go back to the affordable care act what the court did previously was say that because the affordable care act was

upheld as valid as a valid tax, once the penalty was taken away it was technically no longer a tax, it was just essentially a statute saying, hey, we'd really like you to pay this but we don't have any penalty and under no requirement. that took it out of the realm of tax. if you are an opponent of the affordable care act like the trump administration you want to make the argument that, hey, if any part of this is invalid the entire thing crumbles like a house of cards. if you are someone who is in support of the affordable care act your argument is that, well, you can sever out this invalid part and the rest of it survives. and that's really at the core of the battle going forward. >> all right. we will leave it there. nbc's danny cevallos, thank you for joining us. appreciate it. it is looking like six key battle ground states may decide the presidential election. >> new polling shows how voters are leaning, but is it too early to draw conclusions? to draw conclusions?

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new polling on the 2020 race offers a warning sign for president trump's campaign. first up, "the new york times" polling here shows the president trailing joe biden in six battle ground states. arizona is not a battle ground state. wow. it includes michigan, pennsylvania, wisconsin, trump upon by less than 1% in 2016 in those states. >> and a new poll from fox news also shows the former vp holding a narrow lead. he holds it over the president in texas, in north carolina and

in georgia, while trump trails biden by 9 points in florida. joining us now nicholas wu, politics reporter for "usa today." scale one to ten, how concerned is the trump camp? >> well, i'd say based on some of the ad spending they've done over the past week the trump campaign is very concerned, maybe seven or eight. they're buying ads in georgia right now. you would think if you're going into the general election and you are a republican, if you are defending georgia that's a sign of concern. >> that really is. there's new reporting that several members of the campaign staff who were at the tulsa rally are now being asked to quarantine as a precaution after eight staffers tested positive for covid-19. what more are we hearing about this? >> well, i think it's likely that we will see more people continue to self-quarantine after this as test results start rolling in.

we saw some news yesterday that one of the oklahoma reporters who was there tested positive for the coronavirus. so, you know, as someone who was at that rally, knock on wood. >> no doubt. a new article also shows, nicholas -- did you pick up on that? make sure you're quarantining, by the way, nicholas. a new article out from "politico" talks about how the trump team is trying to prevent a tulsa-style debacle that happened, they're trying to prevent that at the republican national convention, writing, quote, republican officials and trump kpain aides said that the disappointing event last weekend in oklahoma imparted a critical lesson as they look ahead to jacksonville, florida, where trump will deliver his acceptance speech as the gop's presidential nominee in late august. learn to manage expectations and plan for trouble. that was the lesson learned. especially as florida is experiencing a surge in coronavirus cases. how is the camp planning on moving forward with all of this? >> well, you know, we're still waiting for details from the rnc as to how this will work, but if i'm to guess they will try to

manage the venue a little bit better. as we saw in tulsa, they had booked a venue that could hold 19,000 people. at least based on an estimate from the tulsa fire department's fire marshal about 6,200 people showed up, a little more than a third full. so, you know, one rule of politics is that you don't want to get an oversized venue so they might try to scale it down. as for what they might do in terms of preventing against the coronavirus, that's another matter all together. >> president trump, as you know, canceled this weekend's trip to his private golf club in new jersey, the trip was criticized after trump said that he wouldn't follow new jersey's mandatory quarantine for travelers coming from states with coronavirus spikes, like arizona. the white house said that the cancellation was unrelated to that, but talk about the stark divide here between the white house's reaction to the surge versus reaction at the state level. >> well, i think as we saw both

with president trump's originally planned trip and some of the vice president's comments at yesterday's coronavirus task force briefing you still have the white house on this footing of reopening the economy and trying to move on from the coronavirus pandemic and get the economy moving, which stands in stark contrast to what we're seeing with coronavirus spikes in several states. with he see the business world going in an entirely different direction. apple was closing its stores again in some states that were experiencing surges. i mean, with he might continue to see this divergence, you know, between the president and his own health officials, too. >> nicholas wu, we will be checking in with you again in a couple weeks to see how you're feeling. thanks so much. >> thanks. airlines are beginning to relax restrictions on flying, but how will that impact your comfort, convenience and very importantly, the cost? >> yeah, and how are airlines making those changes without

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well, several airlines are loosening restrictions ahead of the fourth of july holidays. that's something you don't get? i think we're all wondering about that. starting next week, american airlines will no longer restrict the number of seats on each flight, and west jet will stop passenge passengers from booking middle seats. joining us now is travel writer from the "boston globe," christopher mether. thank you for being here. do you get a sense that these road blocks will encourage people to travel or could they have the opposite effect? >> i feel like they will specifically affect the airlines, even though the airlines are doing electro static cloning, they're all

requiring face masks, the real issue in all of it is the sense of security, and if you're getting rid of that middle seat, you have no control over who's sitting next to you, and even though that may not make a difference in terms of health, one of the things it does do is boosts anxiety, and when you're going on vacation this summer, who wants to feel anxiousme. we're trying to get away from anxiety. i do feel like it's going to make a difference, in terms of those who are flying but on the other hand, road trips are going to be going up. they won't be going up, but they won't be going down as dramatically as air travel this summer. >> what about airlines that aren't increasing passenger capacity. does that mean pause they can book only a limited number of seats that ticket prices will be higher? >> you know, overall, there's a company here in cambridge, they're called hopper and what

they found is that domestically, the cost of flights will be down about 40% this summer. it's an interesting paradox. i don't know if that's because airlines still need bodies on those planes or if there's just low gas prices, but either way, people, i really do feel like the flights are not going to go up as a result. but it's, you know, airlines are getting rid of the blocked middle seat. we all saw this coming. they need a particular number of people on an airplane to make a profit. >> i flew american airlines a month ago and they were not blocking anything. aaa predicts over 96% of the 700 million trips that will be taken this summer will be by car. could this be a sign of a new normal here in the usa? >> in the interim i think this

will be a new normal. you know, you can't control who's sitting next to you on an airplane but you can control who's sitting next to you in a car. so in the interim, you know, before people get comfortable going on planes, i think they're going to want to be in cars, you know, for instance, rving is up about 3,000% this summer, which is just astounding to think about because, again, you don't know if a rest area or service area is going to be open. people are feeling a little hesitant about going in, so i think because of those reasons, and also camping that has grown substantially as well this summer. >> there we go, a resurgence. christopher muther, thank you so much for being with us this morning. >> thanks for having me. >> glamping. thank you, everybody, for watching msnbc live. i'm kendis gibson.

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. first up here on msnbc, a full scale about face, speeches in florida, bars in texas, closed as cases skyrocket in several states. >> you will infect someone else who clearly