good afternoon. i'm alicia menendez. lots to get to this hour including a very bad week in the courts for president trump. as the president sends his saturday playing golf, three major rulings have threatened to deal major blows to his immigration agenda just months before the election. the first on daca. in a 5-4 vote last week, the supreme court rejected trump's attempt to end protections for dreamers and work permits for more than 650,000 people. on tuesday, the president traveled to arizona to sign the border wall with a sharpie, bragging to a group of students about it along the way. >> we won. we're building it, fully funded. [ cheers and applause ]

i could build numerous walls with all the money i have. fully funded. >> but calling it a win would be a reach after a federal appeals court ruled yesterday that it was illegal for the administration to transfer $2.5 billion for the wall's construction. and if that wasn't enough, u.s. immigration and customs enforcement is currently reviewing an order for a central california district court directing the government to release migrant children from detention centers. the ruling comes in response to renewed danger posed by coronavirus. i.c.e. but noumust now decide b 17th whether they release parents with their children or seek another way to follow the judge's orders. i'd like to welcome julia ainsley, lindsey toss lossky, executive director at the immigrant defenders law center, and cynthia alksne, msnbc legal analyst. lindsay, i want to start with

you and get your reaction to this recent ruling about children in detention centers. what do you make of it? >> well, this decision is really important, and it's something to celebrate. but at the same time, as advocates, we're really taking this with a bit of caution. and the reason for that is within judge gee's order, there really is setting up the ability for i.c.e. to decide that they are going to give families a binary choice. i.c.e. has the ability to allow these families to leave those detention centers safe and together. they have the discretion to do that. but within the judge's order, it says that i.c.e. can either allow these children to leave the centers to go to sponsors, or they can keep the families in those dangerous centers together. and they're putting that choice on the parents, and this is really an unfair binary choice for these parents, and it's something that i think all of us can imagine would be horrifying if we were in that situation, being told either to remain in a

detention center that's unsafe for our children or send our children out into a pandemic all alone. so we are very happy that judge gee has given a deadline to the government to get these children out of these dangerous conditions within the i.c.e. center, but we're also cautiously waiting to see what i.c.e. does here because the ball is in their court, and we really need to hold them accountable to make sure that these families are kept safe and that they're allowed to be free. >> right, lindsay. we've talked before about binary choice. we've talked about family separation. what do you see as the pressure points in this debate given that the ball, as you've said, is now in i.c.e.'s court? >> well, i.c.e. really has a decision to make here. they are either going to keep people in these centers at their discretion, or they are going to listen to calls from people across the country asking them to do the right thing. i.c.e. absolutely has the ability to use their discretion

to release these children and their families. we know the conditions within these family residential centers, which are really just i.c.e. prisons for families and children, are dire. people are testing positive. staff are testing positive. we have a lack of being able to social distance, a lack of ppe for these families. the situation is really dire, and i.c.e. needs to do the right thing, and there needs to be a call coming from the community much like we saw when there was family separations happening in 2018. people have to say, this is morally wrong, and there is another choice, a better choice, and that is to free the families. >> julia, what more can you tell us about this july 17th deadline that i.c.e. is up against? >> well, so now, alicia, they have this deadline as you said where they have to decide basically whether or not they're going to release the parents with the children or whether they will find an alternative. and as you've just pointed out, they have tried that alternative

in the past. we reported last month how they gave parents the option of releasing their children without them or staying in these facilities with covid as a great risk together. and every single one of those parents said, no, they would not release their child. now it seems that they may have to take that same decision to them again. they could either release them to a guardian that the parent would choose, or they would be taken into the foster system. but i.c.e. also has the option that they've used through previous administrations to just release parents with their children. and right now they're noncommittal, which immediately says they're looking at what they can do through the law, but that there was not a quick response to say, absolutely we'll keep these families together and release them. if they were really following the executive order that the president signed on june 20th two years ago to keep families together, that would have been the immediate response. but instead we're seeing them going to the drawing board. >> cynthia, at the same time that you have this ruling on

daca, you have this ruling on border funding, you have this ruling on children who are in detention facilities, you also have the supreme court ruling that immigrants seeking asylum can be deported without judicial review. what is the significance of that ruling? >> well, we have a series of rulings where the supreme court is pushing back on the administration, and there is sort of an overriding theme. that is that the administration has been acting basically arbitrarily and capriciously. in the daca ruling, they said, you know, you wanted to end daca, but you couldn't even meet the lowest standard in the law, which is you have to give a real reason for what you're doing. and it's the same thing in the voting act when they tried to -- the voting rights case, when they tried to add a citizenship question. and the supreme court said, you gave a false reason basically. you said you wanted to enforce the voting rights act when you added a citizenship question, and that just wasn't true. so there is an attempt by the supreme court to push back, but

i mean let's be real. the trump administration is going to continue to push on this. they don't want to release those families, and it's likely, i think, that if judge gee continues to push this issue in these facilities where these poor people have walked 1,500 miles to try to get a better life and now all they're getting it covid, it's likely that i.c.e. will not pick a good resolution and let them go. it's more likely that they'll appeal and try to have some kind of end run around her. >> lindsay, when you talk about these changes to asylum, part of it course is as it relates to those who are coming to our border who are seeking asylum. part of the conversation also is about america's standing in the world, about america's place as a place for people who are seeking refuge. what does it mean for the moral fabric of america to see these changes to our immigration system? >> well, it's a betrayal of values that we say that we

espouse. when we look at what's happening currently at our southern border, when we have thousands of families sitting in camps and shelters and on the streets in northern mexico border cities because our government has decided to say that we are going to dismantle asylum and we are going to put up some many obstacles that you are not going to be able to access this system at all, it is really a betrayal of, i think, what we strive to be, which is a country that is welcoming, a country built by immigrants, that is a country that takes human rights seriously. what we're seeing right now is a betrayal of a commitment that we should have to human rights. and oftentimes what we've seen is a pattern with the trump administration is using covid-19, using crisis after crisis as an excuse to push forward this xenophobic policies that they have wanted to push forward from day one. we've seen that particularly in the last few weeks with new rules being announced and

proclamations that take advantage of a crisis in order to dismantle fundamental due process protections and systems that protect people who are coming here simply because they fear persecution in their own countries and because they are asking for safety and protection here in the united states. >> julia, all of these conversations are central to the president's bid for re-election. as he watches these rulings come down, does that at all change the equation going into november for the trump re-election campaign? >> in a way, alicia, what i'm hearing from people who are following this is that it could energize and he could think that this issue, as it keeps coming up with more court rulings, could energize his base and that they would not only want to re-elect him but also put people into the house and senate who could then solidify some of these executive orders into law. as we know, congress hasn't passed meaningful immigration reform in decades.

this, he thinks, could energize his base. in fact, we saw last week the extension of the ban on legal immigration, where they're slashing who can come into the country legally on work visas. we understand that that's something that the president wants to continue to bring up as he moves into the election. he's now extended that through december 31st, trying to say to his base, you need to re-elect me in order to keep these stringent protections on american jobs, or else the economy will be in poor condition. as we know, though, the fact that they are saying that these conditions would protect american jobs is a pretty hard sell. first of all, they only say it's about 500,000 jobs. you're talking about 46 million unemployment, and also those are a lot of jobs that americans simply aren't cut out or are unwilling to take. we're seeing this as an issue that will square the president and the administration against courts and frankly that's a position he really likes to be in. >> all right. julia and lindsay, thank you. cynthia, i will see you a little later in the show.

now, protests in support of black lives matter are continuing across the country this weekend. and in branson, missouri, activists are marching outside a store that sells confederate merchandise. nbc's ellison barber is with us from branson. ellison, what is the scene there? >> reporter: you can see behind me that group of black lives matter protesters. they marched this way from a store earlier this morning. they have been outside in this area protesting a store that sells a lot of confederate what they call southern heritage items. sorry, sir. if you keep walking this way, you can see some of the group. they have grown significantly each weekend as they've come out to protest. as they've come here, so have these people on the other side, people who have come out with confederate flags in support of this store. at one point today these groups, they met up on the other side of the sidewalk. things were tense with the one group that is in support of this store, yelling racial slurs at

the other protesters. if you look over here, you can see they are armed. protesters on both sides we have seen bringing weapons. as we walk over this way, i guess i need to keep walking so you can see really what we're seeing. the police are separating these two groups, but this location has kind of become a tinderbox if you will. the people on this side tell me that this place, branson, has a problem with racism. and as they saw protests popping up across the country after they saw what happened to george floyd, they felt like this store, dixie outfitters, was an easy change they could make to change and make their community in their view less racist. the people on this side, they tell us they say that they are not racist. they say they are here because of freedom of speech, and they think people have the right to shop at this store, to carry that flag. we did see one man on this side with a swastika tattoo on the back of his neck. i asked one of those protester .

that said he was not racist, what they thought of that. they said he had a right to wear that tattoo, just like they believe they have the right to shop at this store and carry those flags. the protesters, the black lives matter protesters, they say this store needs to close and they feel like they can get it done. the mayor did issue a proclamation last week condemning hatred of any kind. this is a big tourist area. they need people to come here. 10,000 people here year-round, but millions of people come to branson to go to their stores, to go to their rides. people are hoping if it not just be humanity, that the money aspect will force this store to go and things will change in this community. alicia? >> ellison barber, thank you so much. up next, we're following the rise of cases of covid-19 in several states across the south. and breaking this afternoon, the vice president has canceled campaign stops in two of those states. we'll tell you about that next. plus will congress take up a new coronavirus relief package

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in the last 24 hours, the u.s. once again broke a record for the most new coronavirus cases in a single day. more than 45,000 new cases reported just yesterday. that's more than at any point during the pandemic. more than 20 states are seeing covid-19 numbers increasing. arizona continues to be a major hot spot, reporting nearly 20,000 new infections today, a record. nbc's vaughn hillyard is live in scottsdale. vaughn, tell me about the current state of the coronavirus in arizona. >> reporter: here in arizona, it's really hard to tell you what the current state is quite frankly, alicia, because of the lack of access to appropriate testing here in the state and contact tracing. you just said there are more than 3,500 new cases reported today alone. when you look at

hospitalizations, today also marks the most hospitalizations in the state to date, the most ventilators in use, the most icu beds in use. but, again, we have been around from the west valley to the heart of phoenix. we're now here over in the scottsdale area tracking testing. in each of these testing locations around the state, they're at capacity. folks are trying to get an understanding of the extent to which this spread has hit their own community, their own families, their own workplaces. i want to introduce to you dr. natasha buyon. you yourself are testing folks here today. you're also assistant professor of the university of arizona. will you give me a sense of where we are and better yet where are we going to be two or three weeks from now? >> yeah. so we are seeing cases in arizona surge. if feels like we're breaking a record every single day. we're also seeing testing demand increase, so i work at one medical. we're testing thousands of people across the nation every single day, and we are continually adding and adding

and adding on testing slots to keep up with the demand. for example, we added on nearly 100 slots today to be able to test more people, and those slots got filled within hours. so we are seeing an increase in testing demand. we're testing people who have got symptoms. we're also testing people who don't have symptoms that have an exposure. more and more people are having exposures, people who are at restaurants with their friends, their babysitters, people they work with. so the testing demand is high. on top of that, you couple it with we don't have adequate contact tracing in this state. and on top of that, the lab turnaround times are increasing. and because the lab turnaround times are increasing, we've got to wait days and days to get those results, and that impedes our ability to contact trace as well. >> reporter: so what needs to happen in arizona because the way that you paint it makes me say in two weeks, we're not going to be in any better shape. >> mm-hmm. >> reporter: what needs to happen now, here at the end of june, to try to reverse the trend that we are seeing here? >> we need to take this seriously. so the public is getting mixed messages.

they're seeing cases go up. they're hearing more and more friends getting sick. at the same time, bars and restaurants are open. when i talk to my patients, they're a little confused. they think if the restaurant is open, it's safe to go, i assume. i tell people get connected with a trusted pcp. a lot of misinformation out there. we need accurate information for our patients. we need to take this seriously. i tell my patients stick to the three ws. wash your hands, wear a mask, and watch your distance. stay six feet away from other people. >> thank you very much. we're going to continue to talk in these weeks and months ahead. alicia, we just heard that there has not been any significant policy change here in this state, and there's very much just a hope that the people of arizona begin to take this more seriously in order to reverse where we are right now. alicia. >> vaughn, the three ws, i like that. thank you so much. for more on what is behind the spike in cases, i want to bring in alexis madrigal who leads the covid tracking project at the atlantic.

ifr ti every time i see these numbers, i say i need to speak to you so you can tell me what is happening here. when you are watching these spikes particularly along the south-southwest, to what do you attribute those numbers? >> i mean it's the opening up. what we're seeing really is a virus that's behaving exactly as it did before and exactly like we thought it would. as we reopen without the ability to do adequate contact tracing and even though a lot of tests on a national level, in an individual place like arizona, can easily be overwhelmed by the exponential growth of the virus. so this is what we thought was going to happen after economies started to open back up, and it's exactly what did. >> right. also interesting what the doctor said there about how as you have an increase in the number of people who are wanting this test, that also means that there are delays in actually getting people the results of the tests, and you see the system being taxed.

the national bureau of economic research had a story out this week saying that the black lives matter protests didn't lead to spikes. i wonder if that comports with your analysis. >> we also haven't seen spikes directly associated with protests. we've been tracking the top 50 metro areas looking to see places like minute neapolis, ne york that did have large protests. i still think it's a little early to declare the all-safe, that nothing happened from these very worthy protests for justice. but it still feels a little early. but we haven't seen signs yet. >> you've talked about underreported numbers since you and i began talking about this. i wonder what you make of the cdc saying this week that the true number of cases in the u.s. may be ten times higher than reported. >> yeah, i think that's probably right, particularly in the early days of the infection. i mean who knows the specific number, but sort of on the order there were many, many, many more infections than we were able to capture with testing. the real question now is what percentage of infections are we capturing in testing? we're seeing cases go up, you

know, all across the south and southwest by huge numbers, shedding records now every day of known cases. what we want to know is how does that reconcile with the actual number of infections that exist in the country right now. are we capturing, you know, 50% of the cases, or are we only capturing 20% of the cases? and that number really matters because it's probably going to determine how many people die. the math of this is fairly simple. like the number of people who die is directly correlated with the number of people who are infected. and so before we know really the magnitude of loss of life that we're going to see from this second surge, we really need to get more clarity on how many cases we're actually capturing here. >> all right. alexis, thank you. and we have some breaking news in afternoon out of the white house. president trump's re-election campaign is canceling events this week due to the increase in covid-19 cases. vice president mike pence's campaign appearances in arizona and florida are being postponed.

he's still expected to travel to those states to meet with leaders about the coronavirus but skip the campaigning out of an abundance of caution. i want to bring in kimberly atkins, senior washington news correspondent at wbur, boston's npr station and an msnbc contributor. and josh lederman, nbc national political reporter. josh, what more can you tell us about this decision on the part of the trump campaign to suspend some of those events and rallies that the vice president was headed to? >> well, the president still intends to visit both of these hard-hit states but no longer the vice president -- the vice president that is no longer intending to hold campaign visits this week. and this comes as the trump campaign, according to people close to the campaign, are closely watching the political situation. they're watching the president's poll numbers drop, particularly when it comes to his handling of the coronavirus. and they're aware of the fact that the optics of holding campaign events in the hardest-hit states right now, bringing people together at a

time when public health officials are encouraging social distancing is not helpful to the president and there is this gulf that continues to widen between the way the president has been portraying how things are going with coronavirus and what people are actually experiencing on the ground, including in states that voted for the president four years ago. ron desantis, the governor of florida where the vice president intends to visit this week, is a republican, someone who's been an ally of the president for the last several years, and now he's someone who is putting pause on his state's reopening as they're seeing this increase in cases. and so the campaign trying to tailor their message more to the mood of the moment and not to be at odds with the real concern that people have right now about these spikes in cases. >> kimberly, this news comes after just yesterday vice president pence had this to say about campaign rallies. take a listen. >> in arizona, one of the hardest hit states, you packed a

church with young people who weren't wearing masks. so how can you say that the campaign is not part of the problem that dr. fauci laid out? >> well, i want to remind you again that the freedom of impeach and the right to peacefully assemble is enshirind in the constitution of the united states. >> kimberly, there you have the vice president pushing back. but is the decision that was announced today some indication that that did play a role in their thinking, deciding to pull these rallies? >> i think it had to have. i mean just as josh pointed out, people are being hit. people are seeing these numbers increase in states where these campaign rallies were scheduled to take place. and it had to be apparent to the administration, to the campaign, that continuing to hold events

as if this weren't happening would be out of step. there's also the possibility that as we saw in tulsa, the fact that numbers are rising, that a lot of people chose to stay home. i'm sure it wouldn't be good optically for the campaign to hold events that weren't filled to capacity, that had people not showing up out of fear because of this. but, you know, as you said, it just shows how the campaign is sort of moving forward, trying to put this idea forward that things are getting better, that the campaign is continuing as usual when the facts, as we see in the numbers that are coming out every single day, continue to say the opposite. and keep in mind for republicans in texas, one of the hardest hit states, the state republican convention is still set to be held in houston next month. that's in one of the hot spots within that state. the republican national convention is supposed to be held in jacksonville in florida in august. so we have a lot of decisions

that republicans will have to make if we do see a dramatic and quick turnaround in these spikes. >> kim, a quick question for you when you talk about texas, florida, arizona, do you get the sense that the president -- that his administration are beginning to hear from republican governors as they watch these numbers tick up in their states? >> absolutely. i mean you can't help but hear from them. these republican governors have themselves been forced to make a 180 in their own messaging that echoed the white house's messaging about the states have to open up. the economy is important. you have to get people into businesses. you have to get businesses back open. very quickly, they've seen that is a losing proposition, that just defies the facts of these increased number of cases that are being reported. and keep in mind even though the vice president praised the fact that most of these new cases are in young people, a part of that reason aside from the fact that young people are going to bars and restaurants is young people are more likely to be taking

jobs in these businesses that are reopening. they're more likely to be the clerks in these stores that folks are going to or working in these restaurants or in these bars. they're the people who are now frontline workers as well, and they can spread this virus to other people in their house how old and people they're in contact with. that's not necessarily good news if the spread is among people who are working in these reopened businesses. it shows the plan to reopen was too fast. >> thank you both. up next, thousands of former doj officials are calling on the attorney general to resign. i'll talk to two of them about the influence of politics in the justice department. and it's a big question that still has not been answered. what are america's kids doing for the summer, and will they be back at school in the fall? we'll talk about the country's child care crisis. everything's stuck in the drawers! i'm sorry! oh, jeez. hi.

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justice department to create a task force that will be dedicated to countering, quote, anti-government extremists demonstrating in the wake of george floyd's death. barr has drawn sharp criticism for what many have called the politicization of the justice department, especially after the department dropped charges against former national security adviser mike flynn, who pleaded guilty to lying to the fbi. more than 2,000 former doj and fbi officials signed a letter last month calling on barr to resign over the flynn case. with me now are two people who signed that letter, cynthia alksne, former federal prosecutor and msnbc analyst, and noah bookbinder, executive director for citizens for responsibility and ethics in washington. cynthia, you signed this letter more than a month ago. how have the events of the past month shaped your thinking? >> well, every time you turn around, there's another episode where bill barr is abusing the calling of the justice

department to do justice. this week we learned that he was intervening in the cohen case and pressuring people to change those charges. he dismissed the flynn case, a man who had pled guilty twice for lying. he reduced the charges in the stone case. there's just no shortage of things. he's lied about the mueller case. he dismissed the united states attorney in new york, not only lying to the u.s. attorney about what was about to happen, but also lying to the u.s. attorney in the northern district of new jersey about the case. he also basically ordered that the peaceful protesters be teargassed in lafayette square. i mean there is nothing about his tenure that suggests that he should be the attorney general of the united states. >> noah, on the flynn case specifically, you have the justice department ordering u.s. district judge emmet sullivan to dismiss the flynn case, but he has yet to do so.

why? >> well, judge sullivan is taking the position that this effort by the justice department to dismiss this case against a friend and ally of the president appears to be based on politics, helping the president politically rather than based on the merits of the case. and so he has looked into the case to see whether it's appropriate to dismiss this case where you have to remember flynn has already pled guilty and admitted to the conduct several times under oath. judge sullivan brought in another retired judge to look at the case, who argued that this was clear abuse and politicization. we've now had an appeals court rule 2-1 along party lines, which is not how judges should be ruling, but it's the world we're living in right now, that judge sullivan does need to dismiss the case. and we're now waiting to see if

he's going to appeal it up further. i hope that he does because i think this is an outrage. certainly when i was a corruption prosecutor, even the hint of intervention by political types in the prosecution of people with political ties was the one thing that you could never even imagine happening, and it's really terrifying that that is clearly what is happening here. >> cynthia, in creating this task force to counter what he calls anti-government extremists, are you concerned that barr is lumping together a wide range of people with a wide range of ideologies, and what are the practical implications of doing so? >> here's what barr is good at. he not only defends the president on political grounds in a way that is totally improper. he also attacks people that he disagrees with, and we had testimony about that this week in the congress about how they

use basically and abuse the requirements to produce documents and to go after corporations and companies that he doesn't like even if he doesn't have a legal basis to do it. so whenever barr sets up some kind of a task force, what i'm concerned is that it's a way he is going to abuse the process because that is what he essentially does, and that's what he has done in many of these cases, certainly in the stone case, in the intervention in the flynn case, and my guess is this no exception. >> noah, to pick up where cynthia left off, what is the risk of overreach on a task force like this? >> i think with this attorney general, the risk is almost boundless, that we have seen his willingness to use the powers of the justice department to serve the president's political aims. and so when you think of a task force potentially making recommendations to use the powers of the justice department

to go after people who protest, whether it's against the president or protest for racial justice in ways the president doesn't like or feels hurts him politically, the idea that you could actually have prosecutions and investigations directed against political enemies in ways that we're already potentially starting to see and we're certainly starting to see prosecutions and investigations into political allies of the president be undercut, it really has the potential to turn this country into something that doesn't look a whole lot like the kind of democracy we're used to having. >> cynthia and noah, thank you both. up next, with covid cases on the rise, there's a new call for congress to help the country. so what will it take to get another relief bill? they get that no two people are alike and customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need.

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saying another relief package depends on the strength of the june jobs report, which is set to be released next friday. do you think it is smart to be tying the next relief package to that specific metric? >> first of all, thanks for having me on. it's not smart at all because these data, they're seasonally adjusted. we could have a spike and they go back down. we know that this economy is not going to recover. the labor market is not going to recover till toward the end of this year, if not early next year. the fed has said they will not raise interest rates again probably for the rest of the year because everyone sees the economic weakness. in new york city as an example, 62% of the hospitality industry is gone. in nevada, another place where you've got a huge drop in the hospitality industry. and those aren't the only industries of course. these folks know what's going on, and because they know what's going on, they really ought to pass yet some more relief.

there are people who don't know when they're going to get back to work. restaurants are opening at 50% capacity if that. some have gone down to 25%. i think there's an ideological struggle between the democrats who would like to help and republicans, who think that giving people more money means they won't go back to work, which is nonsense. >> i wonder, then, as you look at these spikes in cases along the south and southwest, how that even further complicates the picture that you have just painted. >> well, alicia, that's just exactly it. you're looking at florida, tourist state. they're seeing a spike. they're talking about stopping, slowing their reopening. texas, california, disney workers begged disney not to reopen because they're afraid whether they'll catch the corona or not. i think we're being very short sighted. you've heard everybody from dr. fauci on down to say we've

opened too soon. >> i have to ask you about a story that has been getting a lot of buzz. a new report from the government accountability office. the trump administration has sent $1.4 billion in coronavirus stimulus checks to people who are deceased. how does that keep happening and how do you make a system that is more efficient as americans are eager to get their hands on that cash? >> you know, i don't even understand it, but certainly some people who are now deceased did file a tax return or someone filed one on their behalf. it doesn't make any sense, however, that we have such poor records. and we do have extremely poor records. now -- has written and said they'll go back and get the money because it will cause other kinds of hardship, but we should have better records. >> i do want to ask you, i've talked a lot with you about

unemployment. but i also want to ask you about small businesses. you've seen all of this polling that shows a lot of businesses don't feel that they're going to have enough cash to get them through the month. what more needs to be done when it comes to small business owners? >> small business owners need help. perhaps mortgage or rent moratoriums would be helpful. and we talk about small businesses. black-owned businesses are doing even worse. so anything that government can do, remember that small business is the backbone of our economy. we always look at the big companies, but small business is really what makes the world turn. so to have -- businesses say we're going to go out of business is really going to be a blow on the economy. that's why relief is needed right away. >> julie ann, thank you. up next, america's child care crisis and why it's an even bigger problem in communities of color.

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deserts. talk to me about child care deserts, where though kur aey o what means for families and communities? >> thank you. we were interested in taking a data-different approach to finding these child care deserts and identifying the families and communities most impacted. those include low and middle-income families predominantly. hispanic communities are really underserved by our pre-covid child care system and this is right now we see the child care system in danger of collapsing. parents need child care to get back to work and to, you know, kick start any hopes of an economic recovery. >> it's a racial an ethnic

inequity and also a socioeconomic inequity. i have a map i wand to show our viewers. it show as lack of child care facilities in communities where there tend to be middle to working class families. why is that? >> yes. so most child care programs are just scrape be by. it is very costly to provide the service and without very much public funding at all, it's heavily reliant on parental fees. middle class neighborhoods, low-income communities, like you see on the map in detroit, san jose, predominantly asian and hispanic, they have much fewer child care options than the high-income, highly educated communities that order them. if we don't have an investment in our public child care system, the programs left on the other side of this are going to predominantly served privileged,

higher income families and there is just not going to be enough child care for the middle class. >> and on top of that, you've read all the same studies i've read about parental burnout and how parents have too much on their plate. in addition to the economic impact, the reality of people being able to get back to work, there's also the personal impact that people are going through right now. does that have a policy solution? >> yeah. parents are having a really tough time and child care -- i mean, people appreciated it before but now that it's gone, i mean, it's really understood to be a crucial piece of holding up all of our economy. so, you know, congress has introduced the child care is essential act, which would put $50 billion into the system to stabilize it and make sure that those child care programs don't close, but we also need to really think about a major

public investment like has been proposed in the house and senate with the child care for working families act, which would increase wages for the child care workforce, would invest in quality and supply of quality programs and would make it affordable for families because it's become one of the major household expenses at a time when most families are young, they've got -- they're dealing with a lot of enough expenses that come along with a young child. it pays off, you know, great dividends for families and for society. >> i have to tell you while the situation is dire, it did allow us to throw up some video that made me the happiest i have been all day seeing those kids playing in a playground. i know we are all looking forward to the day when it is safe again to do that with our kids. thank you so much. that wraps it up for this hour.

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