secretly offering bounties to taliban linked militants to kill u.s. troops in afghanistan. "the times" reported that the white house and the white house security council were briefed in late march and that trump took no action to prevent russia from targeting u.s. soldiers in afghanistan. in a statement the white house did not confirm or deny russia's actions but it did refute trump's knowledge of any such allegation. trump himself is tweeting this morning that he knew nothing of the claims and yet still has nothing to say to his pal, old vladimir putin. who again is accused of offering bounties for the lives of americans. on saturday, "the new york times" responded to the white house reporting that one official said the intelligence was briefed at the highest levels. and another said it was in the presidents' daily brief. perhaps most damning of all, american officials reached on

saturday said it strained cred yulty that they even briefed the british officials about it and never provide the information to mr. trump. nancy pelosi has succinctly put it, all roads lead to putin. joining me is malcolm nance the author of the plot to betray america, jennifer ruben and charlie savage from "the new york times" and one of the reporters who broke this huge story. he is also the author of "power wars." charlie, i want to reiterate for our audience kayleigh mcenany issued a statement and here is what it said. the united states receives thousands of intelligence reports a day and they're subject to strict scrutiny. while does the u.s. does not routinely comment on the -- the chief of staff can all confirm that neither the president or the vice president were briefed on the alleged russian intelligence.

this does not speak to the -- that does not seem credible that something of this importance would not be told to the u.s. commander in chief that the soldiers under essentially his command, while he is a civilian he's the top civilian that's in charge of the army, in charge of the military would not be told of another country, a hostile foreign country is offering bounties. i want you to reiterate what did trump know and when did he know it? >> absolutely. one thing to notice about the statement they're not denying that there was an intelligence assessment that the russian government had offered bounties to afghan militants and criminals to -- they're not denying that and that the white house has not known about this since march and convened in the interagency meeting about it.

even with the national security council in march. so they have not tried to push back on that. they're saying well trump wasn't briefed. we don't know if they're using the word briefed in a highly specialized way like maybe it was in his presidential daily brief document but he didn't read it. the guy who comes in every few days to tell him about what's in the document didn't mention it that day. we don't know what to make of that statement. the other thing that's weird about that statement is that it suggests the way that kayleigh mcenany described it, well, the u.s. government receives reports, thousands of reports a day, as if this was a tip that came in from outside the government. when this was an assessment report developed by this government. it's not just something randomly that showed up on the stoop one day. so having pointed both of those things out, all i say is that is that we have a source who said that this was briefed at the highest levels of the white house. and we have a second source who says it was in the written presidential daily brief

document. and that's what we have contra their statement to the contrary. >> and sorry, but not reading your presidential daily brief it's not an excuse. it's his job, he doesn't feel we don't care. but it doesn't matter. the director of national intelligence john ratcliffe has disputed your reporting. he has said that the president and the vice president was not briefed on the intelligence and they addressed it -- he goes on and on. the reality again and just -- another fine point on it. your reporting, how early was this briefed to the highest levels in the white house? meaning not just donald trump or mike pence or people at the senior levels of the administration, what is his national security adviser up to, when were they briefed on this? >> we believe it was in the

written pdb some time ago and we know that as like not this week and we know that the -- in late march the national security council convened a meeting specifically about this problem and what to do about it. but since then no action has been taken. i also -- so that's what we know at this point. we're continuing to dig. >> yep. do you know in your reporting how many times has donald trump spoken to vladimir putin between march of this year and this month? >> so as we discussed yesterday, joy, there was a call at the beginning of this month between the two of them. whether there's been more i can't say. >> okay. so let's -- michael mcfaul is it at all credible to you that the president of the united states, that the vice president, that the top levels of his government, the national security adviser, would not be fully briefed on russia offering money, bounties, to taliban members to kill u.s. troops?

>> no. it's -- if it is we'll get we'll get to it is, how shocking that is. i worked three years at the national security adviser. i worked there, i did those briefings. i was the person that briefed president obama about all things russia and it is just crazy to think that i would have gotten a piece of information like that and not communicated it to the president. that's number one. number two, if there were these nsc meetings, how could the national security adviser, who is supposed to advise the president on national security matters every day not bring it up? that does not seem credible to me. three, i would remind you that the fact checkers over at "the washington post" in their book the introduction starts with 16,000 falsehoods i believe. so against the back drop of that, why should anybody give them the benefit of the doubt that this is true?

but finally, i want to really stress this point. if it is true, that is also incredibly shocking. first of all, as charlie just said they have not denied that this happened. that this intelligence is not true. and they had every chance to do it and in that statement it never says that. so think about that. they have incredibly shocking information they're not giving to the president all the while while the president, one, is calling vladimir putin. that's a great point. when i got those packages to call putin or medvedev, the intelligence was in the call package and two, he's made a decision to invite vladimir putin to the g 8 summit. he's made a decision to pull troops out of germany. surely in a conversation about those major policy decisions, somebody i would hope the national security adviser would say, hey, mr. president, we have this intelligence that might

inform that decision. so the -- no, the alibi is just as bad as the alleged thing they did wrong in the first place. and then finally, i'm sorry to go on about this, but finally, if it is true and they haven't denied this intelligence, why hasn't any senior trump administration official denounced it? why haven't they said anything to say this is outrageous behavior, there will be consequences to the russian government and they haven't done that either. it is very strange set of circumstances and every which way you turn it, it seems like they're really dropping the ball when it comes to the security of american soldiers fighting for our country in afghanistan. >> yep. russia russia russia russia. just to back up what you heard ambassador mcfaul say, trump has postponed the summit, the g7 summit and his calls for russia to attend it. this was from may 30th so again, it points to whether or not he can denying received this

briefing. why on may 30 did trump suddenly postpone his decision to try to make the g7 back into the g8 and invite russia? that's one note. trump has by the way confirmed however for the -- per "the washington post" planning to cut the u.s. troops in germany. some probably will relocate to poland. this is from june 24th. also after he report -- almost received this briefing. quote in trump's view, the basing arrangements are free military power for germany but in the traditional military view they are inexpensive launch pads to protect u.s. power against a potential, here we come, russian threat but to the volatile middle east and afghanistan. malcolm nance, we know that 20 u.s. service members have been killed by hostile forces in afghanistan thus far. what do you make of this blockbuster reporting which i have to note nbc news has not confirmed it. so i need to note that. this is the reporting from "the new york times." what to you make of this reporting and donald trump's

response? >> well, let me give you the perspective of a field intelligence collector who would have been the kind of person that would have gotten this information, fused this information, vetted this information, going back and used either multisource, multidimensional intelligence to build out a picture as this whether this is true. here's what we know. for the last three years there have been reports that russian intelligence through the russian military intelligence and the clandestine service and using the private military contractors, pmc wagner have been operating in and around afghanistan and have been supplying weapons to the taliban. that reporting has been around for three years now. that this would have led to bounties that have been offered on u.s. service member is not out of the ordinary. you have to remember that we actually destroyed 250 russian mercenaries that attempted to take a u.s. oil field in syria

that was backed by u.s. special forces. so they're not against using force against us. but let me tell you this. the statements by kayleigh mcenany, the press secretary, ratcliffe, the dni and now coming out of donald trump himself i can tell you personally that these are lies. there is a special reporting communications system that we have set aside for very imminent, very critical threat intelligence when it is recognized and identified which gets these reports to the desk of the president or into the president's hands 24/7, 365, in no more than ten minutes for the initial report. then it is followed up by subsequent reporting. any report that they have confirmed or have intelligence that has been vetted and found to have been credible that there was a bounty placed by the

nation of russia through its secret services on the u.s. service member would have been in his hands in ten minutes. i don't -- i have actually generated reports like this. these reports are not normal. when -- when this all stemmed from the cuban missile crisis, where people said they didn't have the intelligence. whether donald trump read the reports, whether people withheld the reports every aspect of their response is a failure and is fundamentally based on a lie. they are dancing around the word briefed. and we have lost 20 service members in afghanistan. that's five benghazis according to the way they count. so what we need to do is we need to determine through other sources whether it's the house or the senate intelligence community to determine if this type of communication went through that network or whether this was, you know, some sort of reporting that came from another source and that was bought into the pdb or not.

they are dancing around the word briefing and it's disgraceful. whether it happened or didn't happen should have been confirmed before this report went to "the new york times." and if they're denying it, then they're either incompetent idiots or they're liars. both could be try. >> and i want to bring jennifer into this. i want to first correct myself. nbc news has confirmed this reporting that's in "the new york times," not hasn't, but has. that's important to note. but i want to, jennifer -- you expect a certain response from the hawks in the republican party. this would have been a reflexive response. imagine if the same reporting had dropped when the president's name was barack obama. just the apoplexy you would have heard from republicans. instead, it has been quite mild i have to say so far. but i want to first play what joe biden who is running for president right now, former vice president of the united states, this was his response yesterday. >> there is no bottom to the

depth of vladimir putin and the kremlin's depravity. if that's true. not only has he failed to sanction or impose any kind of consequences on russia with this egregious violation of international law, trump is debasing himself before vladimir putin. it's a betrayal of every single american family with a loved one serving overseas and i'm outraged by the report. if i'm elected president, vladimir putin will be confronted and we'll impose serious costs on russia. >> there is the promise to confront putin that is from vice president biden. now listen to madeleine dean when we talked to her about this reporting. here is what congressman -- democratic congresswoman dean said. >> it is chilling, it is sickening. it is -- it's shocking but maybe

it shouldn't be. this is how rotten to the core this president is. he doesn't seem to have any compassion or understanding. he doesn't seem to really love this country. he doesn't seem to really understand our constitution. he certainly curries favor with our enemies and disrespects and disregards our allies and our friends. >> and now here is one lindsey graham. super hawk, responding to the same exact news. he says, it is imperative that congress get to the bottom of recent media reports that russian gru units have offered to pay the taliban to kill the american soldiers. i expect the trump administration to take such an allegation seriously and inform congress immediately as to here we go, the reliability of these

news reports. it's rather mild, jennifer. >> good grief. first of all, joe biden is exactly correct. this is an outrage and what we have seen happen, whatever the explanation is this has not been addressed. vladimir putin has done this and the united states has been passive. it sends a signal not only to him but now that it's in the public domain every other enemy you can take pot shots at american military forces and you'll have no consequences. in fact, the president of the united states will maybe suck up to your leaders. so it is the absence of any action which is almost unbelievable. i do share the outrage and consternation. there's two other points. one is at least for the last year or so, we have had a shuffling of the deck throughout the intelligence agency.

how many dnis have we had, i have lost track. it's not inconceivable that they choose not to share some information. there is a quantum of possibility that that in fact occurred because you have ric grenell and you have people like ratcliffe in these positions. these people are political hacks. they are not trained intelligence people. they don't have a background. they don't have expertise. they are there to facilitate donald trump's political agenda. i would add one additional point. you are exactly right. where are the tom cottons of the world, where is lindsey graham? that sounds like there was a dispute about fishing in international waters or something relatively minor, picayune. where is ted cruz? where is the whole battery of

people who spent years investigating benghazi? it is really stunning. it is not only donald trump and i agree with the congresswoman who has shown no loyalty to the united states, but the same could be said of the entire delegation of republicans. their quietude is a shrug of the shoulders. so it's stunning. but i come back to the central point that is that we have not responded. donald trump hasn't responded. our military hasn't responded. and as a result, donald trump has once more laid down at the feet of vladimir putin. >> yeah. charlie, to that very point have you received -- as this reporting has dropped, commentary, outrage, you know, from republican members of

congress saying this is an outrage? saying something similar to what madeleine dean said, what joe biden has said. do you have any comments like that? >> the most i have seen is the pair of tweets from graham that you have shown on the screen a moment ago saying this needs to be taken seriously. sort of validations need to be taken seriously. he lets us know what's up with that. i agree that even as the democrat party has really -- expressed a lot of outrageous the republican party leadership has been very quiet to date. >> very interesting. ambassador michael mcfaul, malcolm nance, charlie savage, thank you very much. jennifer will be back in the next hour. more on this after the break. ine next hour. more on this after the break in peytonville, there's lots of ways to save on auto insurance. really? yeah. very proud of that. with smartride® from nationwide, they can get discounts for safe driving. does she get one? mrs. carmichael?

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stands by the troops, he's right. just not our troops. the lincoln project is responsible for the content of this advertising. >> the lincoln project is out with yet another devastating ad targeting donald trump. this time about the mind blowing "new york times" story that russia is paying bounties or the u.s. troops lives in afghanistan and that trump has done absolutely nothing to stop them. and joining me now is steve schmidt an adviser to the lincoln project and he's a former strategist. as somebody who's got very close friends and family that have done military service, this story just really just punched me in the face when i saw it. i wanted to get your gut reaction to it. obviously we know what your collective reaction was at the lincoln project. >> all i could think about this,

joy, the ethos about the military about not leaving anyone behind, about the extraordinary measures that are taken to preserve the dignity of the human soul of a soldier, airmen, sailor, marine killed in action. what i thought about is the moment that the american soldier or the remaining parts are zipped into a body bag, then packed in ice and put into the aluminum casket. that aluminum casket draped with an american flag, the blue field and the 50 stars draped to the head of the fallen. the body is never unaccompanied. it is loaded on to a military aircraft to be brought back to the united states, to dover, delaware. it will be carried on to the aircraft past service members standing at attention and

saluting. there will be a comrade in arms who will accompany the body and never leave that casket alone for the entire duration of the journey home the united states, until the moment of burial. within 12 hours of death, two casualty assistant officers will pull up in immaculately pressed dressed uniforms and knock on the door, deliver the devastating news. there will be a funeral. the rifle volleys will crack the air. volley of three in salute. taps will be played. and then the american flag will be folded and it will be presented in most instances to a young widow with young kids on behalf of the grateful nation. and then what happens next is some russian intelligence officer somewhere will pay off

an afghan war load who is responsible for the death of that american. and the president of the united states knew about it and he did absolutely nothing about it. in fact what he did was reward russia by helping them achieve the policy aims of withdrawing the american troops from germany, with their admission back into the g8, and to jennifer ruben's point which i'm broadly indifferent to. i don't know what's in fact worse. that he knew and did nothing, or that he didn't nothing. and the incompetence is such that we see it in the consequences of the coronavirus where 125,000 americans are dead and many, many more to come. a shattered economy. the corruption, the indecency, the stench of this administration will linger through the ages. and everyone associated with it,

who has been complicit, who's collaborated with it, who has defended the indefensible, the stench will linger around them too. the tom cottons who have betrayed the very soldier that he led in combat through his silence, lindsey graham a reserve colonel in the united states air force, all of them. this is a disgusting moment in american history and in american life. for the first time, we have an american president who simply refuses to defend the country, the constitution, kowtows and gets on his knees with deference to a hostile foreign power's autocratic leader. what a rancid moment in the life of the american nation. >> you know, it's something that

seems so unimaginable. we have had bad presidents, we have had racist presidents, we have had garbage presidents, andrew jackson, but never we had one that seems so enamored with a foreign country. i have never seen anything like it. as we were talking yesterday in the little aftershow, france helped to liberate this country. you never saw general you flecktion toward the king of france. george washington was the cousin to the king of england. it is very strange, but not unusual for this president on the issue of the monuments, on the issue of the confederacy which declared itself a foreign country. they said they're not america anymore. they were another country. donald trump also reveres their leaders. he reveres their generals. i have never heard him talk about ulysses s. grant with the

reverence that he talks about robert e. lee. the lincoln project tweeted yesterday that donald trump will defend a confederate statute, but not an american soldier. right after denying the russia story he tweets out since imposing a very powerful ten year sentence on those who vandalize statues, et cetera, et cetera, he sign an executive order to prosecute the people who destroy the statues. but he does not seem to revere the united states constitution or the systems or its military. it is weird. it is just weird. >> we're in this moment in time and i joked around on twitter last week that it's as if charles lindbergh and george wallace adopted a baby and he grew up to be president of the united states. it's just an extraordinary

moment. we spent 75 years looking, studying, remembering the fascism that we paid a high price to defeat and we ask the question, could it happen here? and for almost 75 years, the answer was of course it could. never, not in the united states of america, but we see the entirety of the republican party, every member of congress really with the exception of mitt romney has completely subordinated their agency, their patriotism, their common sense, their judgment to be members of a cult of personality. that reveres donald trump and will defend anything that he does no matter how indefensible it is. and so we think about donald trump going to mt. rushmore. that's not his place, in the shadow of some of the greatest leaders.

his place is at stone mountain in georgia with the leaders of the failed slave state, confederacy. he reveres them and their symbols and their mythology as the country is trying to finally put it down and to move on from it. so donald trump's priorities, every one of them seem to be aligned with the proposition of american weakness. he is weakening the country. we look like a banana republic in response to coronavirus. we are the epicenter of the death and suffering in the world. we are the most mismanaged country with regard to dealing with it in the civilized world. without any question. we look at the whole spectrum of this administration's actions. from the caging of children on our border, from the destruction of our values, the checks and balances eviscerated, our

constitutional norms assaulted, the rule of law attacked. all of it. in a stunning moment, and the question now is who will stand up for the united states? who will fight for america? because in the end now, the american people have to do the job that our political leadership has not done. we have to put an end to this. we have to put a stop to it. in november. and the american people this morning should be filled with rage, with a righteous anger that our young men and women, that donald trump had the gall to go to west point and return the salutes of young second lieutenants who will soon be bound for afghanistan with bounties, with contracts on their head. that he knew about and he did nothing about. i can't imagine that there has

ever been a more shameful moment around the office of president of the united states in the entirety of the history of the country. we are in america's most rancid era because we have a president who is fundamentally anti-american. he doesn't understand our ideas, our ideals. he doesn't understand that it's his job to be part of the struggle to close the gap between our reality and those ideas and ideals to do the work of americans, to make our country more just. it is a truly, truly despicable hour in the history of our country. >> it absolutely is. i believe steve schmidt, you're the person who coined the term that he's the first president of the confederacy because that sees what he wants to be. >> second.

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this resurgence of cases, i don't think there's time enough all day to try to analyze and figure out the multifaceted elements that went into that. you know, everything from maybe opening too early on some, to opening at the right time, but not actually following the steps in an orderly fashion. you have an individual responsibility to yourself, but you have a societal responsibility because if we want to end this outbreak this is part of a process that we can be either part of the solution

or part of the problem. >> just two days after dr. anthony fauci made those comments, global cases of covid-19 have topped 10 million this morning. the u.s. makes up nearly a third of that total. more than 2.5 million of those cases and now the health crisis is colliding with the immigration crisis at the southern border. more than 2,500 adults in detention centers have tested positive for covid-19. citing concerns over the spread of the virus, a federal judge rule on friday that i.c.e. must release children who have been detained for more than 20 days by july 17th. although the fate of their parents remains unclear. the ruling came one day after i.c.e. reported the first coronavirus cases among detained migrant families with children. 11 family members at the residential center in texas have tested positive for the virus.

joining us is the vice chair of the immigration and citizenship subcommittee. jacob soboroff and author of "separated inside an american tragedy." it will be released july 7th and maria teresa kumar, president and ceo. more on this judge's ruling. this is what the judge ruled. the matter is now in the hands of i.c.e. which had 124 children in texas and in pennsylvania as of june 8th. it only applies to children it does not compel i.c.e. to release parents. is that enough? >> well, first of all, it is an important ruling because we continue to see this administration operating with zero principled leadership, with maximum cruelty and maximum corruption and so what the judge is saying is not only do you have to release these children, you have to release them by a specific date in just a couple

of weeks. that is important because we have been fighting with this administration to release separated families and keep them together. as you know, joy, i have been on your show so many times, we are saying and the judiciary committee has already weighed in with i.c.e. that the kids must be released with their parents. now, the order does allow to be released to the family member or a guardian or with their parents. let's be clear, if they separate children again from their parents, it is a conscious decision and it again shows us the maximum cruelty of this administration. you were talking about the numbers of people who have tested positive in detention centers. we should just say that is the number that equates to 50% of all of those who have been tested. not everybody in detention centers have been tested. and that's why i and senator booker have written a bill and

introduced a bill to allow for, you know, to actually force i.c.e. to release all of the most vulnerable populations. that would include of course children. it would include vulnerable adults. and to go through a real process because let's be clear, most of the people do not need to be in detention centers. there are alternatives to detention that are one-tenth of the cost of, you know, keeping these families in detention. it is absolute an inhumanity to keep not only these children in violation of the flores agreement, but also to keep all of these adults who do not need to be in these incars rated facilities and the judge said that the detention centers are on fire. it was a scathing order. she said that i.c.e. is

absolutely not paying attention to any cdc guidelines, public health guidelines. in fact, she said that i.c.e. is hiding behind their own incomplete written protocols instead of adhering to cdc public health guidelines and these are our most vulnerable people in facilities. they do not need to be there. these children have already suffered harm, long term damage and they need to be released with their parents as soon as, you know, immediately, but certainly before the judge's order rules. >> yeah. you know, jacob, you have done such great work covering this. i know your book "separated" is going to dig more into the reporting. i.c.e. has released a statement. this is the i.c.e. spokesman, we are currently reviewing the most recent order issued by the u.s. district court for the central

district of california. they're just reviewing it, they need to get on it. here's the challenge. nbc report last month that faced with a choice migrant participants in i.c.e. detention are refusing to separate from their children. no one agreed to be separated from their children when asked by the agency last week. several immigration lawyers and a senior i.c.e. official said they're try to separate kids and we don't know how many kids have they got and nor have you reported that they have a system to find the parents of the children that they have taken. so how do they even implement this order if they don't know where the parents are? >> i'm glad you brought that up, joy. the track record is horrific particularly with regard to the 5,000 plus children that were systematically separated by the trump administration exactly two summers ago in 2018. i want to be really clear about what we're all talking about right now. the trump administration has

until july 17th to decide if it will separate the 124 kids and their parents in it custody from each other. in response to the query from julia ainsley, this weekend, the trump administration, i.c.e. would not commit to not separating these children from their families as a way to get them out of the explosion of covid cases inside i.c.e. detention. i think that is ultimately the bottom line. that they will not commit to not separating children from their families and they have until july 17th to come up with a plan. what you're hearing from activists and lawyers and others that are advocating on behalf of the migrant children is i.c.e. has discretion to release these families and their children together right now. they can do it as we're talking if they wanted to but they haven't committed to that. so now we are two days since the judge's order. no update from i.c.e. about what they're going to do. but what everybody is saying is

it's plain and simple. they can do it now if they wanted to. but they're not doing it. >> they're not doing it. maria teresa, there's a "new york times" report, this is from june of last year, june of 2019, and the headline is there is a stench, soiled clothes and no baths from migrant children at a texas center. cbs has more recent reporting, saying that more than 2,500 adult immigrants have tested positive for the coronavirus while in i.c.e. custody. more than 800 of them remain in isolation or observation. some have been released. so far two detainees have died of coronavirus complications while in its custody. even before that, we had young migrants dying of the flu. we had deaths reported, you know, that we didn't even get until much later. you and i have talked about this. this the nightmare they'd bunch them up in a facility somewhere where they're all crammed in together and then measles would break out. what would they do if measles

broke out or and now it's coronavirus. >> joy, it's been two years since you and i were in torio, and this is not only negligence but it's malpractice. it is all under the trump administration's watch and it's purposeful. the fact that over eight children have already died in custody that we know of is not only cruel but intentional. sadly when we talk about what the judge just ordered it is saying that it's letting i.c.e. have discretion on whether or not to keep these families together and let them both -- let both the whole unit out. i want to underscore though that many of these children are still breast-feeding. this is how babies they are. the idea of separating them again from their parents is not only cruel but it's a false equivalency. you are giving parents a false binary choice. stay with me and perhaps get infected with corona or leave and you no longer have the

parental protection. we know that american doctors, psychologist association, we know from the u.n. we are in direct violation of children's rights by family separation. and we have to underscore two of the three facilities are for profit detention prison companies. there is no leverage for them not to keep these family units -- to separate the families because they make a lot of money under the backs of dehumanizing asylum seekers. the majority of the folks who are in detention are seeking asylum which is not a crime in the united states of america. in fact, we wrote the international rules of what it should look like. i think that when we talk about the outrage of this administration, that they want to discredit us not only internationally but also here in the united states. we should look at how they have been able to treat the children and these families. the most vulnerable among us. when we talk about what should we do we should not only make sure that we are protesting in the streets but make sure that

we are voting them out in november. tell me, joy, yes. >> yeah, no, absolutely. no, i was going to say, to ask is there anything that congress can do. i know we're out of time. congresswoman, is there some action that congress would be able to take? ask you about u.s. citizenship and immigration furloughing 70% of its work force. do they have the capacity to fix this? can congress do anything? >> we have passed bill after bill to stop the trump administration. the republicans in the senate refuse to stand up and speak out again thst this administration. that includes the cruelty of this administration towards migrant families, towards children. but one thing i think i have been advocating for for a long time is, we should really condition the funding of dhs on their upholding legal orders. this is a tough thing in

congress. but i really believe that we have to use the leverage we have. the only leverage we really have at this point is funding. recognizing that this is a divided congress with republicans in the senate who refuse to do this. but the other thing is, we have to -- we can't get tired of talking about the outrage. it feels like we talk about the outrage and we can't do anything. the reality is, we do have certain powers. we should use the oversight powers. i still remember -- i was the first member of congress to go into a federal prison where over 200 moms and dads were being held, separated from their kids, and talking to these moms who literally were weeping inconsolably because they did not even know where their children were for weeks on weeks. i remember in the hearing having one -- the head -- a child

psychologist who was operating many of these programs at orr saying, these children -- he spoke out and he tried to stop this from happening. he was not successful. but he spoke out at the hearing and said, this is long-term devastating damage. >> absolutely. it's child abuse. it's disgusting. it's horrible. i'm glad we are talking about this again. we need to keep this story -- we cannot stop talking about the outrage of what's being done to these babies, these children and their parents. these are moms, dads and families. it's despicable. thank you for being on top of this. thank you all so much. with less than five months until the presidential election, trump is pushing his 2016 campaign strategies to fire up his base. coming up, you will see exactly what that entails. at that entai. technologies advisor.

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we are the party of law and order. you saw these thugs. they came along. these people call them protesters. the unhinged left wing mob is trying to vandalize our history, desecrate our monuments, our beautiful monuments. all different names. wuh wuhan. coronavirus, right? kung flu, yeah. >> wow. good morning. with just under five months to go until the presidential election, it seems like the re-election strategy is coming from his 2016 playbook but on stero steroids. the campaign rallies offer a glimpse into his plan to lean in on the racist dog whistles that secured him a victory in 2016. so far, he used the unrest over

police killings of black americaning ins to stoke racia resentment. he labeled protesters demanding racial justice in the wake of george floyd's killing thugs. he revived the imagery of sihavg dogs go after people. he replaced one of his signature attacks on people from mexico with a racist attack on china. floating conspiracy theories on the origin of coronavirus. he praised confederate monuments as symbols of the american heritage. he retweeted a disturbing video taken in the villages in florida of trump supporters chanting a racist slogan while facing off with counterprotesters.

>> where is your white hood? >> white power. white power. >> there you go, did you hear that? >> all right. nbc has not verified where and whether th when that was taken. the individupresident retweetin tweeted with a comment, great people. it's clear donald trump has reverted back to what he knows best. what he believes, i guess, will help him maintain power in november. this time around, it may not work out. if recent polling is any indication, it's failing. according to a new fox news poll, trump is trailing joe biden in key southern states in georgia, texas, florida and in north carolina. in national polls, a majority of americans are more aligned with black lives matter and protesters, with 66% approving of the movement in a recent "new york times" poll.

even in mississippi, both chambers of the state leng legislature advanced a bill to remove the confederate emblem from the state flag. against a mismanaged pandemic and global unrest stemming from multiple police killings of unarmed black americans, trump's gamble of speaking to the a his may be a losing bet. joining me is stewart stephens and nicole jones, adam sterwer, tiffany cross and kurt bardello. thank you for being here. stewart, on this subject of mississippi, the last state to hang on to its confederate emblem, what does it mean that both parts of the legislature did vote to take it down and

that all othver the country you are starting to see a rejection of this, even some white americans are losing support for the monuments? >> you know, it's a very powerful thing for those of us from mississippi. i'm a seventh generation mississippian. when i grew up, it was really a lost cause. it was everywhere. confederate flag where everywhere. i wrote a piece recently talking about how i really never thought about the flag. we said allegiance to the state flag and i never thought about we're really saying allegiance to the confederacy. for it to be taken down now, it's a powerful moment. i think last 24 hours really shows the history of civil rights. two steps forward and one back. mississippi votes to remove the confederate battle flag from their flag, but we had the president of the united states

tweeting a white power video. it's our history, i think, of race. we do move forward. >> you know, i think it's an important point. nicole, i want to go to you. the history of america is the cycles of progress and retrenchment, whether it's reconstruction followed by the huge backlash to it where people decided that they needed to kill those who thought they were gaining liberation and/or barack obama being elected followed by donald trump. these cycles keep going on. i wonder what you make of the fact that the cycle of trying to recover from them is happening while he's still president. >> well, i think we're yet to see what this is going to bring. we see the polling on black lives matter. we see the polling on the protests. those of us who are students of

history, knows america has whiplash around racial issues. just as quickly as it rises on this it can fall. that's the card that trump is playing. that's the card trump has been playing from the beginning. it's completely unsurprising that what we have seen is a retrenchment of the racism that got him elected in the first place. it's been the only card. in america, it's also a successful political card when white politicians are losing. there's a record of this working. doesn't seem like it's working right now, however. >> yeah. adam, i want to play for you what tim scott had to say about that white power video we showed earlier. it's in the first eight seconds of the clip that was reportedly taken at the villages, which is a huge senior citizen complex in florida where it looked like a trump parade of golf carts was met by failings of other residents who were yelling at hem and protesting against them and against racism. tim scott was asked about that.

the guy does say white power in the video. donald trump did say great people. here is what tim scott had to say when he was asked about it earlier on cnn. >> there's no question, he should not have retweeted. it he should take it down. >> does it offend you? it offends me and i'm white. >> well, listen, if you watch the entire video, you can't play it because it's profanity laced. the entire thing was offensive. we could play politics with it. we should take it down. that's what i think. >> it's a strange response, at least in my view. it's not playing politics. it's clear what was said on the video and trump retweeted it. what do you make of that response? obviously, tim scott is in an awkward position of being the only black republican senator. >> senator scott has been in the awkward position of trying to be

the conscience of his party on racial issues and trying to explain to his colleagues that these are real problems. he has spoken eloquently on the senate floor about being racially profiled by the capitol police. the president leaning into trying to appeal to his base by making racially discriminatory remarks or political arguments puts senator scott in a very difficult position. obviously, any time -- you could sense the impatience in his response to mr. tapper. he doesn't want to be in the position of having to defend this stuff. he doesn't actually want to defend it. >> yeah. yet there he is. not a lot of options. kurt, you and i have talked about the fact that donald trump has gone from mexicans are ra rapists and nfl players who kneel are sobs to turning on

asian people, trying to say that he is going to label this virus as something that the chinese created and sent over here and stigmatizing people of asian dissent. same playbook, just a different cast of characters. my question is whether he can pull that off when there's reporting that is credible that he was begging the leader of china to help him get re-elected, begging him. saying what do i have to do? i need you to help me get re-elected. i don't know how you do those two things. what do you make of your former party's new tact? >> you know, joy, it shows the level of desperation that donald trump is under right now. the fact that he is under water -- fox news polls have him losing in florida, north carolina, under water in michigan. these dog whistles he throws out there, it's nothing new. it's what we have seen from him

since 2016. he continued it. every time he is in trouble, he returns to this playbook. the crazy thing is at the end of the day, elections are about building the broadest coalition possible to win. ever since he took this office, he has been doing everything he can to narrow his coalition. he is doing everything to play to the fox news base. what we saw in 2018 is that isn't big must have to win. they lost 40 seats in the house that were republican in places democrats have never won, orange county in southern california. now at this time where he is bleeding support everywhere, his response to the coronavirus has showed the entire country that he is incapable of being a capable president of the united states, he is returning to these ridiculous racist things, the kung flu designation, going after asian americans, blame china when as you pointed out, he is in the back pocket of china, doing he can to help china. all the while we have project lincoln putting out ads that are

putting the spotlight on what donald trump's true record on china is. it's a non-sustainable strategy. it's going to leave the gop completely bankrupt of any support. it will take generations for them to recover if they try to after trump is gone. they are headed towards a place where they will be in a permanent minority in congress as well as never getting the white house if they continue to follow this insanity. >> what's interesting about that, tiffany, is the republican party is more regional. a lot is very southern and sort of midwestern-based in the midwest. the southernness has been a particular thing. the switch of the parties after the civil rights era has been pretty hard core. you are still -- it's interesting that a new yorker is now the person who steis labele the second president of the

southern. he is a particular thing. i'm interested that the language of some of the guys is getting more hard core. it's not getting softer. it's not like they want to expand the party. listen to tom cotton talking about a place you where live, washington, d.c. here is tom cotton of arkansas. >> washington has just over 700,000 residents. more than wyoming and vermont. about as many as alaska. doesn't this qualify washington as a state? if it did, we would need more states because washington is just the 20th largest city in the country. yes, wyoming is smaller than washington by population. it has three times as many workers in mining, logging and construction and ten times as many workers in manufacturing. in other words, wyoming is a well-rounded working class state.

>> besides him saying yo inings well rounded, he said, would you trust the mayor of washington with a state? he starts to denigrate individual black leaders as if to say, you can't trust these black people to run a state. that's what it sounded like. >> yes. thank you, joy, for pointing that out. i think that's part of the challenge here. we saw the white power video and now tom cotton, who has been problematic for a long time, embolden to make these statements. they do that because they know they have a coalition of people who agree with them, who will echo those sentiments. the subtext is the same when they reference chicago. black people cannot govern themselves. when you look at the history of this country, a lot of these blighted communities that are populated by african-americans were destroyed by violent

whites. every time black people try to rebuild from gary, indiana, to washington, d.c., to cleveland, ohio, to detroit, michigan, more white violent provocateurs create unrest. that was aided by racist and bigoted policies that kept people in red line communities, that kept people being educated in dilapidated schools. it makes me question swing voters and all the people who can't make up their mind and they want to know what zjoe bidn will do. listen, you have a choice between someone who is a white supremacist -- we were ahead of the curve on that last time. i have to say, i am petty enough to repeat, you told you so 8,000 times. now you have a choice between someone who will not perpetuate that attitude. what are people going to do? we have to be bold enough to call that out and not make the

same mistake twice when a media landscape perpetuated the lie about white economic anxiety. there is no such thing when it comes to trump voters. they are clearly based in holding hostile views on race and that's what's driving them and donald trump knows that. >> stewart, would you agree? at this point, if you are still with this guy and you are yelling white power at the villages, it's hard to see how you attract anybody who is not down with a very blatantly white nationalist agenda. >> i used to be able to argue with that view. i really can't now. donald trump is a racist. people say, does that mean 63 million people are racist who voted for him? there are probably 63 million racists in the country. if you are not racist, you are comfortable with a racist being president. something else you are getting from this president is more

important to you than the fact that he is a racist. i think that's very disturbing. donald trump didn't create ra racism. if we elected a bank robber it would be more socially acceptable. i thought what senator cotton did was a disgrace to stand in the well of the united states senate and say that black people can't govern themselves. it was extraordinary. he should apologize. there's arguments you can make about d.c. being a state or not. that was a straight-up racist argument he made. it was disgusting. tom cotton is running for president in four years because he sees this as the future of the party. it's incredibly disturbing what it says about the republican party. >> yeah, indeed. he probably is going to be running. adam, in addition to coining the term cruelty is the point, because it is, but you wrote

your most recent piece about the fact that this strategy, the tom cotton strategy, what these republicans are doing, it works when you have some you can demonize with white voters, a woman, a person of color. now they have a white guy. now they have got joe average, joe biden. it's harder to do that. it's not working. >> i would say it doesn't always work. barack obama won twice despite them demonizing him. it's very clear that donald trump only has one setting on the dial. this is the only tactic that he really has. of it the only tactic he had in the mid terms when he was sending the army to point guns at migrants. he doesn't believe his own rhetoric when it comes to joe biden. he doesn't believe that joe biden is an avatar of some radical left agenda. he doesn't believe that joe

biden is an inversion of the traditional american racial or gender hierarchy. he can't get himself to believe it. i think more importantly, his supporters can't get themselves to believe it. one of the examples i use is if you went to a trump rally there 2016, there were all sorts of hillary clinton t-shirts with unprintable phrases. now they can't sell t-shirts with joe biden's face on them. they are not as scared of him. >> exactly. nicole, it's a perfect storm. right? donald trump may be running against the one thing that he really can't argue against, the thing he wants as president, a white man. that's his own vision of president is joe biden. anyway, you don't have to answer that. i want to give you the last word. i wonder how far this can expand. we are seeing people talking about de-funding police. we are seeing actual dismantling of police organizations.

we are seeing a credible argument about reparations. all of this is happening. how far do you think this winds up expanding in terms of this prism before it collapses again? >> god, i would never try to predict the future, particularly in this country when it comes to racial issues and justice. like i said, we have a tremendously fickle society. white americans get tired of black people pushing for their rights very, very quickly. we're seeing this playing out in congress where the republicans are not really trying to approve transformative criminal justice reform. will we sustain it long enough to see big changes? i don't know. as we study history, we know this wide ranging support, 75% of americans believing that black americans face systemic racial justice can decline rapidly. we need one incident that enough

people think is over the top and white america will be prime to move on. i don't know. >> we will see. how does it change if the president is rather than the current white guy, the white guy that people are not afraid of and people say, look, you got your new lbj, what more do you want? it will be interesting to see how this plays out, if biden actually wins. thank you all very much. there will come a day when america will be free of donald trump. it's true. his legacy, well, that will last generations. that is next. hey, can i... hold on one second... sure. okay... okay! safe drivers save 40%!!! guys! guys! check it out. safe drivers save 40%!!! safe drivers save 40%! safe drivers save 40%!!!

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in the eye and i said, you will not fill the supreme court presidency. >> i was shocked he didn't try to fill those positions. >> i will tell you why. i was in charge of the -- what we did the last two years of the obama administration. >> i will give you full credit for that. >> thanks to his old buddy mitch mcconnell, donald trump succeeded at one thing, packing the courts. if getting two supreme court justices wasn't enough, one of the seats mitch stole from obama. trump got his 200th federal judge with the confirmation of corey wilson to the federal appeals court. there are no appellate court vacancies for the first time since ronald reagan. what judge is wilson? three democratic senators said, quote, judge wilson has been an ardent opponent -- supporter of restrictive voting measures, including voter i.d. laws that

harm minority voters. he has shown a pattern of dismissing legitimate concerns from voting rights groups. joining me is judith brown diannis. i want to read you another quote from a letter sent to mitch mcconnell urging him to pull judge wilson's nomination. appointing someone to the fifth circuit who refers to the concerns of african-american citizens and community advocates regarding the effect of voter i.d. laws as poppycock is a slap to americans. what do you make of the fact that this is exactly the kind of judge that mitch mcconnell wants and that donald trump has been very happy to deliver? >> as you said in your lead, this is the legacy of trump. we have been concerned about other things that he has done. it seems like he is all over the place.

they have been singularly focused on moving conservative right wing judges in partnership with mitch mcconnell, whose statement was leave no vacancy behind, while he can't move any bills or not, but he will not move bills on the senate side, he will fast track judicial appointments. these judicial appointments are mostly white males under the age of 50. which mean the life-time appointments are something real for us. these people will be around sitting on the courts for decades doing damage. they are anti-civil rights. they are anti-choice. they are anti-regulation, which hurts us on the environmental side. they are pro-business. they want to make sure that they protect the religious right. >> that seems to be the point. what mcconnell wants his legacy to be is that he will lay down a marker that will guard the white

christian minority as they become the minority for decades from cultural and social change and guard big corporations from consumers and from employees, that they will guard the small group of people and put a wall around them to use a trumpian person, that will be made from the courts. it's a reverse. it's not always working. i want to point out two instances where this plan has gone awry for the far right. in two landmark supreme court cases, lgbtq workers were protected from job discrimination. this decision makes it illegal for employers to discriminate because of a person's sex, also covers sexual orientation and transgender status. this was a big win. the second one, the supreme court blocked donald trump from ending daca, a huge win for

dreamers. john roberts was the swing vote dealing with a legal defeat on immigration. in some instances, it isn't working. are you concerned as you look at the next cases that are coming up? we have had some losses, too. you have had the appeals court rule -- also, another loss on the border wall construction, ruled it unlawful for them to steal money away that congress appropriated for other things and use that to build their wall. that's another loss for trump. you also have -- >> and the -- >> you had the supreme court reject mail-in voting for all case. had you some losses for civil rights as well. are you hopeful? the asylum ruling went against the civil liberty side. are you hopeful as the court rolls forward? >> no. not hopeful at all. one thing i think we can read from some of the cases,

including the census citizenship question, is that the courts actually are not going to approve of a trump administration authoritarianism. they do consider themselves to be another check. but it's a right wing check. not very hopeful. we have important cases coming forward, including the louisiana abortion case which could be tomorrow -- decided tomorrow. there's a trump texas case. there's also this important case around the electoral college which is about whether or not the electors who didn't degree with the popular vote can then vote the way that they want instead of the way the state wants. i'm not hopeful. redistricting cases will come up in the future. then we will see the aca again coming before the supreme court. on voting rights, he is putting vote suppressers on the courts.

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>> he is not a war hero. >> he is a war hero. >> because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured. i hate to tell you. >> he said you wouldn't have let his son in america. sg >> he doesn't know that. i saw him. he was very emotional and looked like a nice guy to me. his wife, if you look at his wife, she was standing there, she had nothing to say. she probably -- maybe she wasn't allowed to have anything to say. >> what sacrifice have you made for your country? >> a lot of sacrifices. i work very, very hard. i have created thousands and thousands of jobs, tens of thousands of jobs. built great structures. >> the bounty story reminds us that nancy pelosi has perfectly summed up trump relationship with vladimir putin. >> putin benefitted from our not -- any holding up of that foreign -- the military system.

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>> washington, d.c. is the home to more americans than two states and more than 46% of its 700,000 residents are black. make no mistake, race underlies every argument against d.c. statehood and denying its citizens equal participation in representation is a racial, democratic and economic injustice we cannot tolerate. >> this week, the house passed legislation to make washington, d.c. the 51st state. the bill would grant d.c. two senators and give its representatives the power to vote for the first time ever. representative holmes-norton has been leading the movement for years. it's up against republicans like tom cotton of arkansas. >> if most of washington was under the control not of the federal government but of a left wing politician like bowser who

takes the side of rioters, would you trust her to keep washington safe? would you trust marion berry? >> joining me is shadow senator for washington, d.c. let me give you an opportunity to answer back senator cotton. >> we absolutely trust the mayor to keep us safe. we have had to trust the mayor to keep us safe during the pandemic, because we have had no leadership from the white house. we have had disproportionate unfair treatment from the senate that pass aid bied a bill that us aid to fight the virus. we trust people like her. we trust the governors of the 50 states who been leading us because of the fail yurz of tur administration. she's a mayor and not a governor. when president trump is going to send arounded tro armed troops

have a governor that can stand up to them. the reason he could invade washington, d.c. but not washington state is because we only have a mayor and not a governor. with d.c. statehood, we get on equal footing with our fellow americans. >> yeah. i think it's important to point out that washington, d.c., 700,000 residents, it's more than the populations of not just wyoming, which tom cotton said it's a well-rounded working class state, unlike d.c., wink, wink, but also vermont. it's larger than two states. let me let you listen to -- i'm sure you have heard this story before. eleanor norton talking about her great grandfather who escaped from slavery. >> richard holmes, the man who got us to the district of columbia, a runaway slave, simply walked away from slavery, made it as far as the district of columbia, richard holmes made

it to freedom, but he did not make it to equality nor have those in his lineage made it to equality. that's why we need statehood. >> here is what the another southern senator, mitch mcconnell, would say to her. this is from june of last year. >> plan to make the district of columbia state, given two new democratic senators, puerto rico a state, give two more new democratic senators. as a former supreme court clerk yourself, you have noticed that they plan to expand the supreme court. this is a full bore socialism. >> that's a cute catch phrase. how is it somehow unfair socialism nightmare to give 700,000 residents equal footing with wyoming and vermont and also to give puerto rico equal footing? i don't understand the argument against it.

have people made the arguments to you directly what their real arguments are against it? >> i think they are making their real arguments, is that they are worried about what political party the people we in washington, d.c. may vote for are going to be representing. it's not socialism. it's not unfairness. it's the equivalent of fairness because when you have american citizens -- in d.c. we pay federal taxes -- that are denied equality others are guaranteed, that's unfair. it is one of the great injustices of our time that we continue to disenfranchise american citizens who serve their country in the military, who serve this country in civilian service, but in the case of the district of columbia, most of them have absolutely nothing to do with the federal government except proximity to buildings, that live here, work hard, pay taxes, but are denied equal voting representation. more importantly, as we have seen over the past few months,

denied the self-determination to pass their own laws without congressional approval, to pass them without congressional interference. we want to be able to govern ourselves. when you have people like mitch mcconnell, tom cotton talking in code and not exactly a secret code, that's a transparent thing to say that me or the people who live in my community don't have the same rights as other americans because we are not cutting down enough trees, we don't work as loggers, when we go down into the ground, into a subway, and not a coal mine. it's ridiculous. it's laughable of the we are . t we support this community. we pay more per capita for taxes than any other state. we pay more in taxes to the federal government than 22 other states. this situation of the district of columbia's disenfranchisement is rooted in systemic racism, in the country's slavery.

the capitol was built with slave labor. it was important to the southern leadership that washington, d.c. be in slave territory because president washington's chef kept escaping when the capitol was in new york. we need to end this injustice that's been going on far too long. >> yeah. a little of american history important to always note. it is rather weird coincidence the two places they are so in outrage about receiving statehood are 47% black d.c. and puerto rico. we will say maybe it's a weird coincidence. it's not. thank you very much. good luck to you. i hope you win this. before we bo to break,go to tap house deputy press secretary judd deer says, donald trump is a fan of the villages.

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better half of tim mcgraw, faith hill, who the other day put out an extraordinary tweet that went viral calling for the state of mississippi to change its flag. she's a mississippi native. talked about how for her, it's e state reflect the current values of 2020, not the values of 1890s. that they have a flag that everyone across the spectrum could be proud of, can pledge allegiance to, can respect. i just thought it was an extraordinary thing that faith hill did this because as we talk about this conversation of social change and justice and equality, we need people like faith, who come from a community where they look up to people like her. these are the messages that those people need to hear from people like her and the fact that we're at a point now, this inflection point, where faith hill and other people like the

artists formerly known as the chicks, lady a., that people in these format rs taking a leadership in vocal role. no longer afraid of any blow back. they're just standing for what they believe in is incredibly positive. the state legislator vote d to change the flag. the governor said he will sign that bill. that's amazing progress. >> she apparently has mind control over the state of mississippi. i'll give the chicks a lot of credit, too, and a lot of people don't know kurt is a country music enthusiasenthusiast. that's a secret thing you don't know about him but now you do. where to go next? let me see. let me think. jennifer reuben, who won the week? >> well, you know, he's been criticized for staying in his basement. he's been criticized for not

doing enough events, for not being exciting enough, but joe biden is killing it in the polls. in the national polls. he's a hit in battle state polls. he's ahead in states he has no business being ahead in and there are a few reasons. one is that he is smart enough to let donald trump hang himself. second, when he does appear, he is far more presidential than the president. as when he commented on the bounty hunting that putin is engaged in. and third, his decency, his honor, his kindness, just radiate through and we are in a time where americans are trying to rethink their precon se semscepses, think about their fellow americans, who may not have the same experiences, lifestyle, socioeconomic background, but as a model of

empathy. as a model of smart kindness, i think he really has set the tone and the only thing that i can say bad is that we're too far away from the election. but even then, i have faith he is going to continue on. so hats off to joe biden and his campaign, which has taken a lot of grief from a lot of pundits. >> yeah, no, exactly. a lot of bedwetting about oh, my gosh. he's doing exactly the right thing. he's winning by just being a decent, normal person, and as long as he, i think it's important his vice presidential pick be the right pick, that he not mess that up. that's the one sort of potential slip he could slip up on. what he's doing is 100% working, in part because the guy who's in there now. and notably, a classic conservative like jennifer reuben being on the side of joe biden tells you a lot about where we are in politics.

it is your turn. tiff any cross, last but not least, please tell us, inform us, who won the week? >> all right. well, first, i'm so happy this segment is back. i've been holding this in. so my who won the week is the amazing, the very amazing, jameel hill. he was tapped by vice tv to start a new program with her friend and colleague, carrie champion. they're going to be hosting a show called the disrupters. i love that these two met because they were both competing for the same job and carrie got it and gem jemele didn't. she's been bullied by the nfl, the president, but magda supporters, by fox news. she keeps winning and she does it with dignity and she is a trained journalist. an active member of journalist

and journalism matters. there's tv personalities and there's journalism. when those two combine, it's a winning combination. i want to say congratulations. she definitely won the week. >> amazing. it's hard to beat all these, but my answer, first, let me give you my runner up. it's lebron james. difficult to say he's a runner up because he just got $100 million investment to build a media empire. he is lead ing in terms of getting people to vote. he has used his fame and platform for good. lebron james wins every week and makes laura ingram mad, but the real winner of who won the week is sitting on this panel. it's tiffany cross. tiffany d. cross. you know why you won the week? because you're giving me a break next week letting me have a week off, weekend off. you will be sitting in this

chair. not this particular chair, unless you want to come by, because you can, but you're going to be sitting in for me next week. she'll be my fill in next week. she'll be taking over the mother ship so she'll be on the star ship enterprise piloting us through the universe and you're going to love it, everybody. i have a sneak peek that she's going to be fabulous. you're going to be great. you won the week, ma'am, but kurt, jeb jennifer, you either won the week or lost the week because i don't have to work. that's our show for today. thanks so much for watching and you can tune in tonight and please catch the rebroadcast on the road to reform. tonight at 11:00 p.m. eastern. next, my friend alex whit. she's got the latest. stay right there. ight there

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