welcome to "kasie d.c." reports of bounties on the heads of americans in afghanistan. it's another sunday night in 2020. i'll talk to afghanistan vet max rose about concerning reporting russian operatives offered bounties to the taliban on american heads. how much did the white house and president know? wave watch. i'll talk to ianna pressly. mississippi on the verge of finally taking the confederate emblem off the state flag as a vote passes the house and senate moments ago. >> as we come on air, the coronavirus is spreading across the country faster than ever before there are now 2.5 million

cases in america. states that rushed to reopen are getting hit hardest. florida, georgia, arizona and texas set a record for hospitalizations for the 16th straight day. the president's allies, republicans, spent the weekend pleading with americans to do one simple thing. wear a mask. >> these are really important. this is not as complicated as a ventilator. >> part of our guidance, guidelines to open up america, again, encouraged people to wear facial coverings where social distancing was not possible. our administration is promoting the practice on behalf of the administration the white house coronavirus task force and the president will continue to do that. >> former defense secretary jim mattis appeared in this video and dick cheney in this picture.

his daughter liz hashtaged this tweet quote real men wear masks. but not president trump. this weekend, he spent his time beating the drum against vandalizing monuments to slave holders tweeting photos that he claimed to be of people who tried to tear down a statute of andrew jackson in lafayette square. he visited his golf resort in virginia on saturday and sunday and he retweeted video of people in the villages, florida with signs supporting him and shouting quote white power. while he was golfing, that tweet was deleted. he is still not wearing a mask in public, even though his vice president is doing it. he is refusing to set an example from the top. >> it would help from time to time the president would wear one to help us get rid of this political debate that says if you're for trump, you don't wear a mask, if you're against trump, you do.

>> now perhaps one might think that as commander in chief, he had other topics on his mind. perhaps, he was focused on the alarming "new york times" report that the u.s. has intelligence that russian operatives have offered to pay bounties to taliban fighters for killing americans. but it actually took him more than 24 hours to respond to that report. when he did, he tweeted he knew nothing about it though nbc news said congressional leaders and our british allies were made aware of it. >> the president wants to ignore any allegation against russia. as i've said to him in that meeting when i'm pointing to him in a blue suit, with you, mr. president, all roads lead to putin. he's a gift to russia to diminish our relationship with nato and our groops ups in ger. a gift to putin. something is very wrong here. >> many people close to the president, most former national security advisor john bolton

said that trump is focused solomsol solely on his self, on chances of getting reelected. the president's lack of caring for others, his unwillingness to protect americans here at home from the virus and abroad from enemies could be his down fall. >> listen, he is losing. and if he doesn't change course, both in terms of the shuubstanc of what he's discussing and the a way he approaches the american people will lose. >> even the president himself can't seem to explain why he deserves a second term. >> what are your top priority items for a sec terond term? >> one of the things that will be great, experience is good. talent is more important than experience but the word experience is a very important word. it's an important meaning.

i never did this before. i never slept over in washington. i was in washington, i think 17 times all of a sudden, i'm president of the united states. you know the story. i'm writing down, pencilling in with my first lady and say this is great. >> and with that, i would like to welcome in my panel white house reporter for the associated press, washington post white house reporter ashley parker and wbur senior news correspondent kimberly adkins all analysts for msnbc or contributors. ashley parker, let me start with you, you and your colleagues at the washington post have a nice run down of where the president's campaign currently stands, what the thinking is in the white house about whether he is winning or losing right now. it seems pretty obvious based on everything we know that things are not going particularly well for the president and his reelection campaign right now. what are you reporting? >> that's exactly right.

if you look at just about any public measure, the president's campaign is in a bit of a free fall. the president is according to one poll trailing joe biden in six swing states that he won in 2016 and many of which he will need to win this time if he hopes to be reelected. the president is losing support among his core supporters. he's losing support among white voters, those with four-year college degrees and without. with senior citizens and white evangelicals. the campaign went up in georgia which is not a state they want to spend money in and play in and reporting this story out, it's four months out. it doesn't mean he is going to lose in november but there the biggest challenge there grappling with is right now they tell us joe biden is still viewed as a blank slate, as a generic democrat and they believe once they define him, the president will do better against joe biden in a binacy

choice. joe biden should be defined by now. they got slowed down because of coronavirus and racial unrest. the president is at the point where there is no clear message against biden and he's as we reported, serving aids and asking is sleepy joe the best nickname or do something else like sloppy joe or crooked joe? that's where the campaign is right now. >> well, and kimberly, joe biden should be well defined by now in so much as he's been on the public stage for many years. they have in fact spent the last year trying to define him, trying to talk about hunter biden and ukraine trying to get congress to investigate all of these things. it strikes me that if they aren't -- if they haven't been able to define him so far, if people kind of listen to what they have to say and think i'm not really sure that sounds about much like much like joe biden that there may no be that much hope between now and november. i mean, this is so much

different than running against hillary clinton who for better or for worse and for whatever reason you may ascribe to it had years in the public eye and a defined public image that all trump had to do was under score day in and day out. what's your take? >> yes, i mean, this is one of many ways that the trump campaign keeps trying to run the 2016 playbook in 2020 and have it not work. as you pointed out, joe biden is a known commodity. he's been in politics for awhile and people know who he is regardless of what they think about him. he is a very different candidate from hillary clinton. he is a different person. and whereas donald trump did do a good job of defining his opponents with things like nicknames particularly in the 2016 primary. his republican opponents in a way by using nicknames and such

that was working. it's not working here. i'm not sure finding a different name other than sleepy joe will do anything better and showing his retreat to the racialized politics he's embraced is also not working. that sort of attack does not work against somebody who is an older moderate white guy and doesn't seem to so without the strong economy, the under pinning of the entire campaign, they are searching as ashley reported to find something else to run on and they haven't landed on it yet. >> well, to pick up on that jonathan, i heard some people making the argument on the sunday shows this morning that well, you know, he's the right guy to turn this around and get us where we need to be by november and yet, we're watching, you know, his refusal to wear a mask, to dot b the ba

things that would -- and to repeat what our friend joe scai, how is it voters will buy the idea he's the one that will get this together in five short months? >> joe said that a few times, kasie. you're right. what is happening to frustration of the president's advisors, so much is what he's doing is counter to what he needs to do to start the economy again. it seems to be the president and white house tried to wish this pandemic away. they sidelined the coronavirus task force briefing for weeks. we finally had one again on friday. they have focused almost solely on reopening the economy and restarting the states across the nation with very little public discourse about the pandemic in recent weeks and we're seeing it now surge. even though that's happening across this country, the president is still out there.

he had a m campaign rally in oklahoma. i traveled to arizona with him on tuesday when he visited the border wall and had more or less another rally of a packed mega church with no masks and no social distancing and they feel that he is shooting hi ing hims the foot, if you will by the way he's handling this pandemic and pinned himself in a corner where he's not worn a mask and refuses to and it's become a cultural red versus bluish shoe that's putting frankly a lot of people's lives at risk. we saw them tonight release a memo about voter enthusiasm. their supporters or more enth e enthusiae enthusiastic about trump than him. they feel like 40% of the country likes president trump. it is largely held steady throughout his term in office. hay fe they feel like if they can cater to the base, excite those people

who like him, they will turn out at a higher rate than the 60% or so who like joe biden but don't do it as enthusiastically or as passionate about biden. the support the trump people feel is more and they may not turn out on election day but seen an array of worrisome polls in battle ground states in recent weeks and they're faced with they don't feel like they can really change anyone's minds about the president. there aren't many independents they can persuade. >> if anything, that graphic we had on the screen showed 649% te strongly disapprove number, which is not where you want to be. i commend to jonathan lamarre for giving me, i've not seen this backdrop previously. big fan. love the plants, et cetera. let's hope we get a new reading in tonight. on a more serious note, "the new york times" reports u.s. spies and commandos raised warnings about operatives offering bounties to taliban fighters as

early as january. according to "the times" the community grew confident in their suspicion of interrogations of captured militants pointed to russians offering and paying bounties in 2019. joining me is democratic congressman of the war in afghanistan, congressman max rose. congressman, great to have you on the program tonight and i want to start right here with this breaking news tonight from "the new york times." the reality that the president is now or has been saying that he was unaware of this united states intelligence assessment. do you buy that claim and what do you think the president should be doing about this? >> yeah, thanks for having me. i don't buy that claim for a second. and by the way, i don't understand how that's a defense of anything or what you're going to say you're running an incompetent organization that can't raise issues to your decision making authority.

it's ridiculous. i'm sick to my stomach over this. sick to my stomach as a member of congress, patriot and also someone that served in afghanistan and let me tell you something that i learned in afghanistan. it's complicated enough. it's dangerous enough for our soldiers without having to consider russian bounties our country is not doing anything to address. but there is also a problem here. that problem is the fact that so many of my colleagues across the aisle, so many of these republicans running for office right now continue to be fully owned subsidiaries of this administration and refuse to say anything about this president's wowful failure to protect our troops and have their backs. at one point or another issues overnati national security and protecting the homeland have to rise above party. i say that as someone who stood with the president at moments when he killed salmoleimani, i d

he did the right thing. i've been willing to cross the aisle and their failure to do that time and again is not only laughable but scary. >> do you view it as a betrayal of our troops on the ground? >> yes. absolutely. again, what russia is doing, let me put this into the plainest of language. russia is paying people to kill u.s. soldiers. and the fact that we have not done anything sanctions, public statements, anything even behind the scenes to counter that is in my book to sending soldiers to war without the resources that they need to protect themselves. this is not hard. this is the president's job. he's the commander in chief and i do not know why in this respect he is not doing his

duty. it's disgraceful. >> what do you think is the action that the u.s. should take in retaliation or response to this russian action? >> well, first of all, we shouldn't be playing geopolitical footsie with them. this is not the moment to talk about enlarging the g 7 and inviting them back into global leadership roles. this is instead, the moment to utilize our alliances and further isolate them and weaken them with sanctions for one, other multi lateral action to include bolstering nato and it's also a moment for diplomacy. you know, we talk so often about how you're degrading the diplomatic core and that has consequences. you're degrading multi lateral institutions and alliances and that has consequences. what we see right here and there is no benefit to cozying up to russia. all they do is run circles

around us and this doesn't have economic ramifications right now. we're talking about the blood of the united states soldiers. our most important resource. our most important pressure and they're playing games with it. >> congressman bmax rose, i appreciate having your voice on the program tonight and your speaking out on behalf of all of our veterans that have either already sacrificed their blood and treasure in afghanistan or serving on our behalf tonight. thank you, sir. appreciate it. i want to go back to jonathan lamarre. can i get you to react to what the congressman just said there and help explain to our viewers why it is that the administration would learn about this and as we have -- we are pointing out, nbc news has not matched this latest "new york times" reporting but the latest reporting said they found out about this in january and they still have not taken any action.

>> first of all, it's of usually ve -- obviously very passionate wo words from the congressman. you can sense the firepower in his belly about this. they are saying the president wasn't briefed on this. the vice president wasn't briefed on this. they defy credibility, frankly. you know, this is something that came to light in january. that people in the u.s. forces on the ground there relaid this information. this is the reporting is and credit to the "new york times" for being out there in the presidential daily brief. it seems unlikely that the president didn't know about this and if he didn't, that raises another host of questions. is he being shielded from something? is he not paying attention? that's speculation. if he did know and the u.s. didn't do anything about it, then why again, why again does it seem like he's being differential to moscow, being differential to president putin. that's the question a lot of

democrats are asking right now. there is real concern this is a president who has dating from 2016 in the election, everything in the fall with the mueller probe has never stood up to russia in the way that members of his own administration and certainly fellow republicans want him to. >> kimberly atkins speaking of democrats were talking about this, we have a statement just in from jack reed is the ranking democrat on the armed services committee. he's not known as a for the zpa flame thrower, he has a very sharp statements here and it concludes by asking since this was publicly reported 24 hours ago, what, if any, steps has the president taken? it does seem as though even if he didn't know about this before, he knows about it now and yet, we don't see any indication or do you have any reporting that there is action on the horizon? >> there has not seemed to be any action on the horizon. there is growing concern from

members on capitol hill about what this means and i think you can certainly expect people to be called to testify before congress very soon on this matter for the reasons that jonathan laid out. it's either the fact that the president was kept unaware that bounties were being put on the heads of u.s. troops or that the president knew and there was no action taken as is the reporting from the multiple news outlets and neither one of those is satisfactory to lawmakers on this and yes, it adds just another bit of concern about russia in addition to the fact that the president has not taken this action and he has been doing things such as urging the g 7 to let russia back in the president is also in contact with vladimir putin multiple times since january. so all these things together creates a new firestorm that congress as it's also trying to address the coronavirus and criminal justice reform and

racial injustice, it's another thing that's going to be put on congress' plate. >> kimberly atkins, thank you so much for your reporting tonight. appreciate you. when we continue, more on the breaking news mississippi's house and senate passed a bill to take the confederate emblem off the state flag. and letting donald trump seem to sink his own campaign as republican senator charles grassly warns that william mckinley sat on his front porch and didn't campaign and was elected president so it's possible for biden to sit in his basement and do the same. "kasie d.c." back after this. "kasie d.c." back after this whoo! don't do it. don't you dare. i don't think so! [ sighs ] it's okay, big fella. we're gonna get through this together. [ baseball bat cracks ] nice rip, robbie. ♪ raaah! when you bundle home and auto insurance through progressive,

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poll shows the former vice president with commanding leads in states like michigan, wisconsin and pennsylvania. but, reminder, it is june. joining me now veteran democratic strategists and host of the "2020 politics war room pod cast" james carville and the president and ceo mark also the book of -- the author of the book "the gumbo collision." thank you both. i'm thrilled to have bth of you on the show together. mr. carville, let me start with you. we've seen a lot of polling. there seems to be a sense some people say this is inevitable, how could the president overcome this lead? but there are warnings about what happened last time, sense of complacency and you're going to have to let us know, is that your dog in the background because we're big fans of dogs on the show. >> barking dogs are part of rural america. so let's go. >> i love it.

>> yeah, we can't stop dogs barking. >> is joe biden going to win this, do you think? >> first of all, i said thursday night on this network that it was about a chance that trump doesn't run and he's reelected. now it's about a 50/50 chance he doesn't run. all right? look at the events. look at congressman rose who was just saying, congratulate liz cheney who said this needs answers. what i want to know is where is senator m mcsally, they have std mute because they are scared of mitch mcconnell. nobody is scared of donald trump. he's not going to run. he's going to have the worst monday he's ever had in his life when his story continues to explode. so i think the biden campaign is doing everything smart. they're not risking anybody's health. the statements they give are right on point. they are running a very smart campaign and i really mean this.

i just really doubt if donald trump is going to be able to run for reelection. think where we are now and we're not out of june. think about what happened? june. followed by this idiot white power video that he sent out. he doesn't even understand where the country is. he doesn't know where he is and the russians are running circles around him. of course, biden is going to win but i don't think trump is going to run. i don't. i said it thursday night and i'll say it again. >> i realize you've said this before. have you talked to anyone that gives you that indication? why are you so convinced --? >> me. i talk to my own head and by the way, my colleague joe scar burro said the same thing. bill crystal, he is saying the same thing. sometimes in politics, you have to look around the corner. i'm not looking at the latest florida poll. i'm watching a presidency

desinigrate in front of my eyes. they see what is happening. trump is done. he's yesterday. he's so yesterday. i don't even want to look at him. there is no chance he'll win reelection. i think there is a chance he doesn't run. i really do. >> mark, do you agree? >> mayor, mayor, my man. >> what's going on, jim. it's still early. it is still early. this is june and no one will count their chickens before they hatch but clearly, the race has taken a different turn. the polls have dramatically shifted since the killing of george floyd and i think what you see the american people saying is there is no confidence in donald trump to lead the nation at this moment with the

virus of covid, with the racial justice issues we're facing. this is really i think the polling is shifting the polling is a reaction to how the president has governed or not governed, i should say, over the last several months. but it is too early. i would say with great emphasis that this is a turnout election, and the winner of this election will be who can get their base plus the collision out to vote in 2020? donald trump got his base out in 2016. the democratic party's base particularly african americans did not come out. the campaign was ineffective in really appealing to them in a way to create enthusiasm. it is early. it is still early but this polling demonstrates a dramatic shift i think in this election and in i think the sentiments of the american people.

>> so to that point, i mean, mr. carville, i feel like there are probably a lot of democrats watching your comments saying don't say that out loud. we do have to try to win this election in the fall. don't convince people they don't need to show up. are you concerned about that at all? >> so look, i'll defer to my mayor there with a slight disagreement on this but that's okay. democrats say i love the way you say what you think but don't say you think trump is going to lose and not run. those are two contradictory thoughts. i don't think he's going to run and if he ran, i think he would get slaughtered. i can tell the truth as i see it or lie to these democrats out here and they come up to me all the time, man, nervous, look what happened. '16 is done. it's gone. it's over. it's behind us. donald trump more likely will not run and if he runs, it's 100% likely that biden gets 410

electoral votes. that's just a fact. i don't think most serious analysts do not really dispute me on that. >> to follow up on what you said mr. carville about russia, how serious do you think the president's inaction on this reporting from "the new york times", that there are bounties on american heads that the russians are paying in afghanistan and the president is doing nothing? >> if the reporting is right and he knew about it, and he invited putin to the g 7, all right, there is a case to make that this violates the traeason provision in article three of the united states constitution and people have to start reading articles three, read the definition of treason. i'm not saying he did it. i'm looking at the stories. the intel skbreligence committe to call these people in and ascertain if this is right because if this is right, we could have this instance.

so we need answers. congressman liz cheney is a republican as i am a democrat. maybe more. wants answers, too. we have to give answers to this. they got to come pronto, immediately. maybe he has a defense to this, maybe "the new york times" made it all up. i doubt it. but maybe they did. but maybe it's all fake news. but questions must be asked and answers must be given. that is where you are -- >> this is an example of a president who doesn't pay attention to the presidential daily briefing. and i think that's a question, was it in the presidential daily briefing and he ignored it or is he not reading it? this demonstrates another example of the dysfunction of the foreign policy apparatus under donald trump and i think james is absolutely right. what if this is in fact truthful

and the president knew about it, we've got a serious additional scandal on our hands with this president. right now we've got covid which is mismanaged and racial justice issues, which are being mismanaged by the white house. this would get another, be just another scandal at the feet of this administration and i think the public is seeing this and americans want to be brought together. americans want a president they can have confidence in and you know the commander in chief of the president of the united states is hired to deal with crisis. with crisis. in this instance, he's basically struck out in being effective in dealing with crisis. >> you know, just think of this -- >> we didn't even -- did. >> okay. sorry. go ahead. one more point. >> he goes to west point and talks to young men and women soldiers and maybe he knows there is a bounty on their head when they graduate and he didn't do anything. think about that.

how the commander in chief is talking to the finest young people in the united states and he either knew or should have known that there was a bounty on their head and nothing was done about it. that's a disgrace. >> all right. james carville, mark, frankly, i could talk to the two of you about a long list of topics. we're out of time. appreciate both of you coming on. great to see you. democrats outrage grows as facebook and twitter and republicans outrage grows at facebook and twitter. and now companies like starbucks are pulling their money as so n social media companies grapple with how to police their own platforms. grapple with how to police their own platforms. ta-da! did you know liberty mutual customizes your car insurance so you only pay for what you need? given my unique lifestyle, that'd be perfect!

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tonight, the state of mississippi is on the verge of making history stripping the confederate emblem from the state flag. the bill cleared the house and senate there at lightning speed and the governor indicated he will sign it taking down a flag that's flown since 1894. statutes of confederates and christopher columbus fall, princeton university will strip the name of woodro wilson from the public policy school saying racist policies and thinking. the president told the federalist that republicans have

to get quote much tougher standing up to people who tear down statutes. the secretary of homeland security wrote top tech executives at facebook and twitter and more to take actions against posts that call for people to break curfews and damage public property. and the trump campaign is looking for people to spend money facebook and twitter to propel it and about 20 million on facebook this cycle before mark zuckerberg announced plans to label posts from politicians that break rules but deemed news worthy. the president's personal strategy does not seem to have changed. tweeting a video of supporters and people chanting white power in florida before deleting it. the white house says quote, he did not hear the one statement made on the video what he did see was tremendous enthusiasm from his many supporters. jonathan lamarre and ashley parker are back with me. ashley, let's talk about this tweet for a second, which was

put up this morning and then deleted when the president was off playing golf. now of course, the explanation well, he didn't hear that part. he just saw the enthusiasm and this seems to be part of a pattern where the president says something that's clearly problematic and says i was focused on something else. is there an acknowledgement this kind of thing is doing more damage right now than good to his campaign? >> it's absolutely doing more damage than good to his campaign. the president among voters does not get the benefit of the doubt anymore in part because this is a president who has said racist things. and you'll notice the tweet was deleted and the white house put out a statement saying the president didn't hear it. they didn't say that the president condemns it. they didn't say that the president would never use that language and urges his supporters not to use that language. they didn't take any strong

stance against a white supre supremacist white power chant. this is one thing the campaign is grappling with. everything you mentioned. the president's strategy generally is sort of doubling down on base enthusiasm and he does this with a lot of rhetoric, racially tinged rhetoric, even racist language and the country now for the first time this playbook is seeming way less effective for the president because the country is shifting far quicker than the president is used to not just as mississippi changing their flag but nascar for instance. you know has banned the confederate flag from their events. the protesters in the street who the president is saying are thugs and toerrorists generally have support from the public. the public generally thinks there is systematic racism.

the biggest obstacle is the president himself. they said to him quite explicitly, you are no a general election. do not run a primary campaign. do not run a campaign of base enthusia enthusiasm. the president just cannot help himself. almost like muscle memory and that's what you're seeing but it's doing real damage. >> jonathan lamarre, to ashley's point. why keep doing this if it's so clear that at the end of the day it puts you at risk of losing the election? we know the one thing his entire life, his entire existence as a public figure before he was ever president, trump never wanted to be branded a loser and it seems obvious that this path might turn him into one. why is that not getting through? >> kasie he's a politician with of usually remarkable success in his short term as a politician

but he only has a few plays. the playbook is pretty small for donald trump and he's going to them time and time again. everything ashley said is exactly right and plays into this idea of him trying to cater to that base to try to gin up the enthusiasm, the idea of the turnout we talked about earlier in the show to get him out believes it fired him up to be enthousiasti enthusiastic. the president's advisors know this. if the election were held today he would lose and frankly, might lose big. they had been taking comfort even though he was down in the national polls, they were taking comfort from the battle ground states that will decide this election are smaller. those margins grew. he's further behind joe biden than he anticipated. you're right to say he is always really rebelled against the idea, hated the idea of being called a loser and we're seeing a real rise in his rhetoric about how this election may be

rigged or unfair. he's not providing evidence. he's made claims about the validity of mail in voting. we heard him the other day talk about how this would be the most corrupt election in history again. he's got nothing to back up that statement but it seems like he's aware that he could be losing and he's trying to cast doubt on that and kasie, you mentioned the room rater. appreciate that. slight change of pace. fear not, america, i'll be back in front of the brick wall soon enough. >> very nice. and i appreciate both of you bringing such a strong plant game this evening. i realize my screen here is lovely as it is at nbc i don't have the opportunity to display such lovely greenery. thank you both jonathan lamarre and ashley parker. the president has long sought to end u.s. involvement in afghanistan even trying to bring the taliban to camp david just days before september 11th

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was congress made aware in any way whether it was the gang of eight or the intelligence committees that this was an assessment our intelligence community made? >> kasie, i can't speak to that. what i can tell you is that it's sickening if this allegation is proved true that u.s. troops are not being defended by their commander in chief. what is commander in chief mean? it means that the president is the highe esest leader of the military charged with protecting americans, particularly military members from an attack. we have in our family a blue star mom and her son just came back from afghanistan, an aunt of my wife's and we went through the experience of everyday getting updates from her about what he was doing and where he was and just knowing the worry that so many family members go through and to think that there is a possibility the president of the united states shirked this responsibility or worse,

kasie, worse would be he knew of the information and didn't do anything because he's in a compromising position with vladimir putin. >> what would your expectation be in terms of terms of continu notified about something like this? i mean, if the intelligence community were to assess that the russians were putting bounties on american troops, would you not expect that they would inform, at the very least, the gang of eight, if not the congressional committees. >> again and kasie, think you understand, i can't speak to anything we may or may not have seen in the intelligence committee. >> i understand that. but this is a pretty serious assessment. i'm just asking you to say in general would you expect something so serious to be notified? >> it's a fair question. and i would -- i would expect that any comparable piece of information would absolutely be given to the president through what's called the president's daily brief. but that is something that is briefed to him. i am familiar with the type of material that goes into a presidential daily briefing, and

a threat from a foreign country against u.s. troops is the type of material that would be presented to the president of the united states. again, i can't speak because of my duties on the committee to anything that i've seen, but know what goes into the -- what they call the pdb, he absolutely should have known about this. and the second question is, if what he is saying is true, that he did not know about this, then you have to wonder if it is true, why were people not telling him? is it because he's said before i don't want to hear anything about russia because of the business dealings in the past with russia, destroying the notes with the interpreter when he met with vladimir putin, or inviting russia in the 2016 election to interfere in our elections. >> when you have conversations with republican colleagues behind the scenes, and i realize that some of those conversations are not as fulsome as they used to be because we are living in such a polarized and difficult environment. how do they explain that? and as we head toward an

election where it seems increasingly looking like democrats are perhaps poised for a wave because some of the things -- of the things that have happened. do you anticipate that there will be any pushback from republicans on capitol hill around this particular question, given its seriousness? >> not much. thank you for mentioning the book in the opening. there is a chapter where i lay out right after the russia attack in 2016, republican colleagues on the intelligence committee would tell me that they were concerned about what russia did. they were concerned about how donald trump embraced russia, but as one of the members said, the problem is when he tweets, he wins, and we have gone from being afraid of donald trump because he will go at you to now it's just full-on enabling. so i don't even see the people who were concerned a couple of years ago. i just see full-on enabling, absent, of course, senator romney, who was the only one on

their side who recognized the dangers of the president putting his personal interests above the country's and actually voted to remove him. >> well, certainly it's going to be another test of where republicans both in the house and especially the senate stand as they start to get questions about this reporting in "the new york times". congressman eric swalwell, thank you very much for coming on tonight. >> my pleasure. thanks, kasie. >> we're going to have much more kwt "kasie d.c."" coming up in just a moment. ear. it works below the gum line to neutralize harmful plaque bacteria and help reverse early gum damage. gum detoxify, from crest. hi. uh, can you tell me how to get to i-70, please? o-okay, are you -- ah, yes. thank you. switch to progressive and you can save hundreds.

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in the u.s. a number of states are reporting more record-breaking days of coronavirus cases. georgia saw the highest number of cases for the third day in a row. california became the latest state to roll back its reopening. the state's governor ordering bars to be closed in seven counties, as cases skyrocket. texas and florida implementing similar rules the past few days. more than 2.5 million coronavirus cases have been reported in the united states. and more than 126,000 americans have died. here's what senior adviser jared kushner predicted would be happening by this week back in april. >> i think what you'll see in may, as the states are reopening now, is may will be a transition month. you'll see a lot of states starting to phase in the different reopening based on the safety guidelines that president trump outlined on may -- on april 19th. i think you'll see by june a lot of the country should be back to normal, and the hope is that by

july the country is really rocking again. >> so, july 1st is this wednesday. and it is very clear the country is not yet, quote, unquote, rocking again. but there is a slight shift in the administration's messaging today. health and human services secretary alex azar had this warning earlier. >> the window is closing. we have to act, and people as individuals have to act responsibly. we need to social distance. we need to wear our face coverings if we're in settings where we can't social distance, particularly in these hot zones. >> that message comes the same day that we heard vice president pence to urge americans to wear masks after being somewhat less forceful in an interview just hours earlier. >> there was guidance throughout that applied to all of the phases, and chief among them was that people should continue to practice good hygiene, wash your

hands, avoid touching your face and wear a mask. everyone to wear a mask in the affected areas. wearing a mask is just a good idea. >> the message on masks has been muddled. why doesn't the president, who has some situatipersuasion in t country, come forward and say everyone should wear a mask, which is what all the governors have been saying? why has he been kind of muddling that message? >> well, first, we believe that every state has a unique situation. one of the -- one of the -- one of the elements of the genius of america is the principle of federalism, of state and local control. we've made it clear that we want to defer to governors, we want to defer to local officials. >> mm-hmm. while all this is going on, the trump administration is once again trying to dismantle the affordable care act by asking the supreme court to strike it down. that could lead to more than 20 million americans losing health

insurance during a pandemic and amid a recession. joining me now is former secretary of health and human services under the obama administration, kathleen sebelius. msnbc medical contributor, dr. vin gupta. he is a pulmonologist and a professor at the university of washington medical center. and andy slavitt, the former acting administrator for the centers for medicare and medicaid services. dr. gupta, let me start with you for a medical view of this. we finally have republicans seemingly across the board with the glaring ex-sessiception of president of the united states telling americans to wear a mask as we are seeing cases skyrocket, particularly among younger americans. what are you seeing in your hospital? what do you see in these numbers? is this too little too late? are we past the point of no return? and what should americans be doing in their own lives, both to protect themselves, but also to protect people like you on

the front lines of this? >> kasie, thanks for having me. it's a really critically important question. and what americans should be doing is not listening to the vice president. and it's -- and at the helm on these task force briefings. the concept of federalism should be thrown out the window in the case of this pandemic. we need every state acting in unison. right now we have 50 different approaches. we need one approach because if we have regional approaches, that's the ingredient to make sure -- to ensure that this continues into the fall and then into 2021. we have to have one approach. what i'm seeing, kasie, to directly answer your question is, i'm seeing individuals that are under 35 -- i was just caring for an unfortunate gentleman who came from eastern washington, critically ill on a ventilator. we're seeing this across other hospitals in the region, in the country, just because you're young doesn't mean you can't end

up in the icu. so this messaging that let's celebrate the surge in cases amongst the youth, it's misinformed. it's, again, disinformation. it's not what we want to see. i'm seeing the real effects of it, as are my colleagues. we need one approach. we don't need federalism in this case. we need the government to take a strong stance. >> secretary sebelius, let me pick up with you on that -- on that very point. you have been inside our health bureaucracy. you know how it works. what could this president be doing with our government to have that kind of approach here that they are not doing? >> well, kasie, we've never had a national approach, and that is, as dr. gupta just said, has been missing from day one. we have had as recently as today misinformation and dangerous misinformation from the vice president.

about what is happening. first, the federal government said we're going to stand behind states. that's not the way federal emergencies work. the federal government steps up and states get the supplies and get the equipment they need. they left states on their own, and now they're saying it's really up to individuals. if people don't follow the rules, it's really not their fault. wrong, wrong, wrong. and texas is a perfect example. texas has refused to expand their medicaid program. they have one of the largest population of medicaid-eligible individuals who could pay for their own health care. that's missing. texas filed the lawsuit to take down the aca. texas has opened its borders and opened its bars much more quickly than any of the science would have recommended. you have local officials in texas begging the governor to implement mandatory face masks, to shut things down again, but all these dots connect. we are missing a federal leader.

we're missing a federal program. governors are trying their best to step into that vacuum, at least in some instances, but we are at a very, very dangerous period. and i would say to jared kushner, the country is rocking, but not the way you wanted it to. we are rocking with disease that is rampant throughout our cities and counties throughout our states. and you must do something about it at the federal level. >> andy slavitt, you wrote about this on -- on twitter as a shakespeare play with the dukes, i believe, as the governors. three dukes vying for the favor of the king here. my question for you is, is this too little too late from governors in some of these states who are now saying, oh, wow, we actually -- we should have gotten this right the first time. you do need to wear a mask. we may have to shut down again.

i mean, is it stoppable at this point? >> well, new york, new jersey, connecticut, michigan, as unfortunate as things were, at the very least should have served as an object lesson for texas, for florida, for arizona to avoid making those mistakes. and i know the governors in those states, for all that they went through, really tried to press upon these other governors that that was the case. that didn't happen. those states opened the bars too early. they opened churches. they disregarded public health warnings without putting the tools in place. and i only hope that those three states now can serve as a lesson to the next states because the virus isn't done. the virus is not contained. the virus is moving from big city to smaller city. to town. and it's going -- and it's going to be moving everywhere because the president has failed to put a strategy like other countries have to contain it. so we have to be very, very careful and we have to understand that these lessons

cannot keep repeating themselves indefinitely without us paying bigger and bigger consequence. >> yeah. dr. gupta, is what's going on in some of these other states jeopardizing -- and i think dr. fauci sort of alluded to this this week when he was talking about what we're seeing. will places that successfully flattened the curve and make a real difference like new york, will that be sustainable if the virus continues to spread at the pace that it's spreading across the rest of the country? >> dr. gupta? >> kasie, that's a great question, and, frankly -- and, frankly, i think a second wave is all but inevitable across the country. what we have here is we have covid in the ecosystem. it's rising in places like texas, florida, arizona, as andy mentioned, but it's still -- we know it's still lurking in new

york city, in these big, dense population centers. so it's my worry -- i know that worry is shared across many of my colleagues that new york has just -- >> we may have lost dr. gupta there. we'll try to get him back. but while we do that, secretary sebelius, let me ask you about something else we mentioned here. the trump administration is pressing ahead with attempting to dismantle obamacare, the affordable care act in the supreme court. you worked on -- extensively on that law when you were here in washington. what is your view of the impact that would have on our ability to fight coronavirus in, you know, aside from obviously the repercussions it would have generally for our health insurance system. >> well, kasie, it's never a good time to take away people's

health insurance. let's just start there. health is very important to people. it's very personal. everybody has a mother, a child themselves, a spouse who needs and wants health care. they're desperate to pay their bills. they want to be able to go to the doctor. but in the middle of a passport, when this virus is a long way from being solved, when we don't have a vaccine, when we know that people who get sick will need hospital treatment, will need expensive care, and when we know that having the coronavirus in and of itself will be regarded by insurance companies as a pre-existing condition, i can't imagine a worse time to fight about a 10-year-old law that has delivered insurance to 23 million americans and has made it clear, for the first time ever in the history of the united states, insurance companies may not pick and choose who gets to buy health coverage. they can't kick someone out

because they get sick. they can't kick someone out who is a heart attack survivor or a coronavirus survivor. so i don't have any idea why the united states government is not defending the law of the land. which is what the government should do. this is a federal law. it's been in place for ten years. instead, they are asking the court to strike it down, which not only would get rid of 23 million persons' insurance, but states across this country, 36 states who have expanded their medicaid program would lose coverage. those people could not go to the doctor, could not pay their bills, could not pay their hospital bills, and it will have a huge ripple effect. >> all right. governor kathleen sebelius, dr. vin gupta and andy slavitt, i have to tell you, sir, very nice haircut. i'm glad you were able to do that in a social distancing and safe way. thank you for the tweet. we really appreciate all three of you being here tonight. thank you. as we mentioned, the trump administration is pushing the supreme court to repeal obamacare.

the president has wanted to dismantle the affordable care act since he was a candidate, but after more than three years in office has not been able to come up with a viable alternative. the president tweeted yesterday that obamacare can be replaced with, quote, something better and less expensive, promising to protect those with pre-existing conditions, but we still haven't seen a plan that could accomplish those goals. or really any plan at all, frankly. joining me now, democratic congresswoman alyssa slatkin. congresswoman, thank you so much for being on tonight. i'd like to pick up and talk about the story about what the russians have been doing in afghanistan in just a moment, but i mknow -- let's start with obamacare because i know you and your family have a pretty significant personal story. it's part of why you ran for office. what is your response to the trump administration pressing ahead trying to get this law repealed while we still are fighting this global pandemic? >> yeah, i mean, my reaction is

just that it's deeply cruel. and, you know, you're right, i got into politics because my mom happened to be diagnosed with stage iv ovarian cancer when she did not have insurance. she had struggled with her insurance her entire life. she had a pre-existing condition. she had cancer when i was a little, little girl, breast cancer, so when she lost her job, she lost her insurance, in 2002, and because she had that pre-existing condition, all the plans that were offered to her just gouged her to the point where she couldn't afford it. so the idea that families right now, you know, would have to go back to choosing between emergency surgeries and bankruptcy, that they would put themselves out there financially just so that their loved ones can have the treatment that they need, it's just cruel. and i think the name obamacare, the name aca gets caught up in politics, but the underlying principles of covering people who happen to be born with a pre-existing condition, of

letting our kids stay on our health insurance until they're 26, on putting caps on what you can spend per year and per your lifetime on health insurance, i think most americans believe those are normal, decent, common sense things. >> i spent a lot of time covering health care policy, and it's -- it is hard to look at a tweet that says, okay, we're going to get rid of obamacare and a mandate for people to buy insurance and also cover pre-existing conditions, simply because the financial math doesn't work. but setting aside the policies of this for just a second, and obviously the deep human impacts of this, let's just talk about the politics for a second because democrats have been running for the last several years on protecting americans' health care. this has been something we hear from the speaker, nancy pelosi, from those of you who are in these swing districts. why do you think it is that the trump administration sees any political upside to doing this right now just a few months before an election? >> yeah, i don't understand it.

and certainly in 2018, many of us said very loudly and very proudly that we were going to defend people's health care, and we flipped the house, and then all we've done since we were worn in of january 2019 is defend, defend, defend the administration's constant texas on this, in the courts, in legislation. whenever the president talks about health care, i know that my republican colleagues in the house start backing away slowly. they know that they don't have an actual plan to replace it. they don't want to talk about this topic. they hate when he brings it up. for me, i'm guessing he feels like it's a equipment and a promise that he made, and so he's going to stick to it, but the fact that we're talking about health care again, and he's on the wrong side of history again, i just don't see what's expedient about that politically. >> let's talk about the other major story we've been covering this weekend, which is "the new york times" report that russians have offered bounties for u.s. troops in afghanistan.

the president has said it took him 24 hours to come out and say he didn't know about it, but "the times" has reported that this would have likely been something that was included in the presidential daily brief. you worked at the cia. you are familiar with how intelligence moves through our system. do you buy that the president was never told about something this -- of this scale? >> it sounds to me like the intelligence community flagged it to the white house, potentially to the president himself, and whether he read it or not, i don't know, but here's the thing. no matter which way we slice or dice this, this is a deep problem. either his staff didn't think that they could bring that forward, didn't think that it was important, or maybe feared how he would react. what kind of strain that would put on his relationship with vladimir putin or the taliban, who he was negotiating with. or he knew and he's denying that he knew, and he didn't do

anything to defend u.s. soldiers. my stepdaughter is in the army. my son-in-law is in the army. they could easily be deployed to afghanistan. it is mind-blowing, frankly, that an american president wouldn't jump to attention, that his administration, his senior staff, his secretary of state wouldn't jump to attention on learning that there are bounties out for american soldiers put on their heads by the russians. and now there's reports that that actually caused casualties. it is -- it is disturbing beyond the normal disturbing news because it's about the blood and treasure of the united states. it's about our soldiers. so i don't -- either way, whether he was not told and it was kept from him because they were nervous what he would do, or they told him and he did nothing. it's a nightmare. it's a nightmare. >> what do you think we should be doing in retaliation if this assessment is accurate? >> well, listen, there's always options. diplomatically. and, to me, at a minimum, we

need to sit down and have some pretty clear conversations with the russian leadership. it can't just go unanswered that they put a bounty on the head of american soldiers and we do nothing. there has to be some sort of consequence. that can be diplomatic. that can be pressure. that can be sanctions. there is a whole range of things that we can do, but accountability is required. and we know with the russians if you don't push back on them, if you don't set a boundary, they will keep pushing you and pushing you and pushing you. and from the beginning this president has been so deeply reluctant to push back on the russians. it defies understanding. i mean, just as a child of the cold war, it's hard to understand it. but i -- this cannot go unanswered. it sets a precedent we cannot let go, so there's a range of options and he better get, like, right quick figuring out what he's going to do. >> all right. congresswom

congresswoman elisa slotkin, thank you very much. when we continue, the president's key to the re-election runs through michigan. debbie dingell said she's skeptical of joe biden running there. first, congresswoman ayanna presley. we saw a wave of women get elected to office in 2018. this year we could already be seeing a surge for candidates of color. when you shop with wayfair, you spend less and get way more. so you can bring your vision to life and save in more ways than one. for small prices, you can build big dreams. spend less, get way more. shop everything home at wayfair today.

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mondare jones are poised to become the first openly gay black men in congress if their current leads hold. these performances underscore what many activists have been saying for months, that the future of the movement will be led by candidates of color and others from marginalized communities, candidates that more closely reflect the voters they are running to represent. joining me now is democratic congresswoman ayanna presley of massachusetts. congresswoman, it's great to have you on the program. thank you for being here. you and a couple of your colleagues who won in 2018, alexandria ocasio-cortez, rashida tlaib, ilhan omar, have been on kind of the forefront of -- we called the year of the women then, but you're also a group that reflects the communities that you come from. and we seem to be seeing another wave of that energy in the primaries that came through the last week or so. how do you explain what is going on in those races? what's behind it?

>> well, first, i wanted to say that it's glorious, you know, especially against the backdrop of what is a tsunami of hurt, many injustices that existed long before this administration, but have certainly been worsened under this administration for these victories to occur and i was very proud to endorse all of those candidates and can't wait to work alongside them. kasie, i've always believed the people closest to the pain should be closest to the power, driving and informing the policy-making. and what we see right now with the uprisings that are taking place throughout the country, is a moment of reckoning. there is a culture shift where people are affirming that black lives matter and this moment with tuesday's victories, i think we're also affirming that black leadership matters. that black representation matters. and it is going to yield, i believe, greater racial justice within the halls of congress. and our senate. >> can i ask you what your --

the senate, well, the senate has, in fairness, a farther way to go diversity wise, frankly, than the house of representatives, for sure. can i ask you what your sense is of how far we need to go based on what you have experienced behind closed doors as you have grappled with, you know, the longstanding institutions, the forces of power inside the house of representatives. we've been reporting a little bit about some generational differences, for example, on how to confront some of these problems. i mean, how far do you think the house has to go to get to a place where it reflects the country that we're becoming? have you been disappointed in what you've found? >> i'm encouraged by the progress that we've made. we're better than we used to be, but we're still not who we can be. i'm very proud to be one of the 55 congressional black caucus members. this is the largest congressional black caucus in the history of congress. this is the most diverse and representative congress in the

history of congress. and we're in the democratic majority. and so it is during, again, this moment of inflection for our nation, and at a time of great polarization, it's an honor to be leading and to be representing the voices of many who have been ignored, left out and left behind. and i do believe that the progressive victories of jones, of bowman and booker and others is a testament to a shift occurring in the electorate. the progressive issues that are being championed, these racial justice issues, the truth-telling that is occurring is responsive to what the electorate is demanding. bold solutions. we have systemic problems which require systemic solutions and they built broad, deep and diverse coalitions. >> let me ask you about police reform because obviously democra democrats passed their version in the house of sweeping police

reform. the bill went much farther than the proposal from senate republicans that mitch mcconnell tried to bring up last week as well. >> absolutely. >> and i understand that. but there does seem to have been a calculation made that democrats are better off waiting to do something bipartisan and major on this, which as we know is what it takes to actually make a law. until next year when perhaps democrats have a larger or perhaps a majority in the senate and a stronger hand in the house and perhaps the white house. however, there does seem to be some risk in that. as we know, these political moments can come and go very quickly. do you think it was the right call to push this down the road or do you think democrats should have seized the moment to try and accomplish something, considering that the emotion is so front of mind right now? >> well, we are seeing -- seizing the moment. i want to acknowledge the leadership of the congressional black caucus in putting forward the justice in policing act, which is an historic and bold

act forward in the right direction, banning choke holds, banning no-knock warrants. if that had already been in existence then breonna taylor and george floyd would still be alive. they would still be with us. but we need to go farther. we need to bring to the floor my bill with representative justin amash to end qualified immunity. we have officers that are operating with impunity, with callous disregard for black lives without retribution because of these protections. no one is above the law, including law enforcement. if we believe that black lives matter, then justice for the black lives that we've been robbed of matters and there won't be true justice because true justice would mean they're still alive. but we can get a pathway to healing with accountability. i'd say we're moving in the right direction and we can't afford to wait. how many black lives have been brutalized, choked, lynched, surveyed, profiled, policed

unjustly? the senate bill was just buzz words. we should not have to incentivize people treating others humanely. we should not have to incentivize justice. and what the democrats have done in this moment is we are affirming those very principles. the values we claim to espouse as a nation. >> all right. congresswoman ayanna pressley, thank you very much for coming on the problem tonight. i'm sure -- i hope to see you again on the show. >> i hope so. >> down the line. thank you. coming up next, new polling shows alarm bells going off for the president in michigan. congresswoman debbie dingell joins us to talk about whether democrats should believe it or not. technologies advisor. me too. me too.

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about commit in august without a new stimulus plan in place yet. joining us now from michigan is democratic congresswoman debbie dingell. congresswoman, it's always great to have you on the program. the polls we keep shows are registered voters not necessarily the screen we would use as we head into election day. we want to look at likely voters. you have been one of the voices out there saying that you do not believe these double digits spreads we're seeing in swing states accurately reflect where voters are. can you explain what you mean? >> well, the first day i said that was a poll that had showed joe biden 16 points up in michigan and i categorically do not believe that that's true. since then we've seen a poll that she's shows 2 points up, 1 point up, and the one you just referred, 11 or 12 points up. polls are a snapshot in time, and, you know, i can quote you the same pollster who said that he was up 16 points who on

october 6th, 2016, and october 26th, 2016, said hillary had it in the bag and there was no way she could lose. what i'm -- and i don't think the president's helping himself right now in any way, shape or form, but it's four months until the election, and the for that matter is, i don't want polling suppressing voters. there are too many people who think their vote doesn't matter, they don't care. anything can happen in the next four months. none of us thought we would be where we are five months ago. and we need people to know these races are competitive, and i do believe michigan is still competitive. >> so, what do you think are the factors at play here that are most important for the biden campaign when they are looking at how to win michigan? is it black turnout in detroit? is it switching white working-class voters who were obama/trump voters. what is the road map for them and what are the kind of metrics

they need to hit if they are actually going to make this polling come true in november? >> those two points are exactly the two that matter in michigan. i think the 12th, 13th and 14th district, which is my district, that stems from ann arbor, which is very progress, to down rivers, which is like many of you heard mccomb county, they're blue collar working men and women who think that nobody cares about them. and we need to energize the urban areas. now, i have been out. i've been to 17 community garth gatherings, protests, whatever particular word someone's using for that event, and i've had many people on both sides -- i've been in ann arbor where people are really, really strong. and it's great to see young people organizing these marches, but i've had uaw workers come up to the back of them and tell me point-blank they're voting for donald trump again and i've gotten into very significant

discussions. i listen. i don't yell at them about whether the president's really delivered on trade the way they think he has. biden's got to talk about trade issues. he's got to talk about issues that matter to working men and women, which he knows how to do and, quite frankly, hillary clinton did not. >> interesting. where -- what are voters telling you about coronavirus is how the president is handling it? i mean, do you view this, you know, masks have become this kind of political flag almost. people are wearing them or not based on which tribe they're trying to say that they belong to. is the president's handles of the passpondemic breaking throun a way that other issues -- in a way that crosses these tribal lines or is it not something right now that is driving how people are making this decision? >> i think that it is another factor. michigan has been one of the states that has had very

political feelings about the stay-at-home orders. the wearing of masks. there are a lot of people who strongly support the governor for the stance that she has taken. and as we've seen on this network and news channels throughout the country, we've had people carrying guns, people objecting, people pretty angry. so there's deep feelings on both sides. i suspect right now there's a lot of people in the middle who have been very scared, are still scared of covid, don't approve of the way that many of these things have been handled, but that can change. people are, you know, we're seeing this increase in cases again. you saw people get comfortable. maybe we overreacted. now there's, hey, maybe we didn't. maybe -- you know what? four months is a lifetime between now and november. and covid's going to be one of the factors that matters both ways, what happens to the economy, what happens to people's jobs, do people get sick and do they die, do family

members die? >> to pick up on your mention of the economy and jobs. we're still waiting for congress to potentially do another coronavirus-related relief package. there are going to be thousands -- hundreds of thousands of americans who are going to get thrown off of unemployment insurance rolls in july, or at the very least lose the extra $600 a week that they've been getting from the federal government. what do you think the imperative is to get something done? i mean, do you actually believe that there will be another package based on what the speaker is saying behind closed doors and what you're hearing from mitch mcconnell and senate republicans in public? >> i'm just going to go from sheer gut. the fact of the matter is is that the senate's going to go home for the -- i mean, i know a lot of them are sheltered from their constituents in a way that maybe some of the house members are. the president, while i don't agree with him on many things, does read people. there is no way between the help, the desperation that state and local governments are,

people are trying to figure out what to do with schools in the fall. and you start to look at people who are no longer going to be eligible for unemployment at the end of july, nobody with a heart can do nothing. and so i believe that we have to do something and that the republican senate and the republican white house is not stupid and they're going to understand the human need for action. and i'm going to believe we will act. we must. >> all right. congresswoman debbie dingell, thank you very much, as always. it's always great to have your insights on the program, so i hope you'll come back soon. still ahead, with fall rapidly approaching, the key to reopening the economy is getting kids back in school. we have a plan for that. right? the former education secretary joins me. back after this. given my unique lifestyle, that'd be perfect! let me grab a pen and some paper. know what? i'm gonna switch now. just need my desk...

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the school year is set to begin in just about two months for the parents of more than 50 million school age children in this country, there are incredibly real concerns about what the next school year is actually going to look like. are kids going to be in their class rools? will they be wearing masks? what about the school bus, lunch? it leaves parents with so many unanswered questions and just a little bit of time for school leaders to come up with some of the answers that they need to keep everybody safe. for more on this i'm joined by the secretary under president obama, mr. secretary thank you for being here. before we get into the schools, too, i know you are a parent yourself. i mean, i think the biggest challenge for all these unknowns for parents is can they even go back to work in the fall if the

schools don't answer these questions? >> well, going to answer the question. 13,000 school districts are each answering the question on their own because we haven't had good guidance from the administration. >> that's a good point. obviously, the local -- the way that localities ham this has been a part of our system. walk us through -- i mean, what do you think for a -- let's take the metropolitan area, a place where we've had the virus. it is relatively kamd compared to some other areas but there are continued concernsant outbreaks. you have some major public school systems with so many kids and you have a lot of racial inequities in kids who are eating lunch at school and who are going to have a much harder them that than anyone else if they can't go back to the fall in the fall.

you're an administer, how do you do it? >> students who have lost on average seven months of school as a result of closures, even more for latino students, nine months for african-americans. students and staff. and the challenge the districts are making these decisions in the context of a financial crisis. translated into significant cops and state and local funding. they're balancing that and trying to figure out how do you meet the physical distancing guidelines, how do you operate the school, how do you change transportation and lunch schedules and they're doing it all on their own in a context where we still don't have a national system of testing and contact tracing in which we can have confidence. what we'll end up with is a lot of school districts going with a

hybrid model. sometimes learning on line in order to have fewer students in the class rooms each day. >> so how -- when a school district happens, say, a conservatives in the community. there's a terrible covid outbreak there or another type of situation where suddenly the school has to react to maybe an outbreak in its own hallways, what can school do to try to mapping those issues and how can parents plan to try and figure out how to go to work with that potentially looming? >> well, schools haven't shut down class rools again and go to distance learning. one of the backdrop concerns is we still have the digital divide. only 66% of african-american families, only 61% of latino

families have computers. if we have to go back to on line learning that will have a disparate impact on minorities. the federal government has a huge role to play. they can get a good system of testing and contact tracing in place, we'd be in a muff better place. that's why international competitors are. tip lapd opened their school two weeks before the summer break. they had testing and contact tracing in place. >> what should they have been doing during this time? >> well, we haven't heard very much from the current education department. i think two things are most important. one, get guide an how to protect the students and staff. two, district resources and whoever the secretary is should be fighting for resources for

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