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that does it for "the beat" you can find me on facebook, instagram and elsewhere, we will keep it right here on msnbc. good evening from new york, i'm steve kornacki, new reporting is shedding some light on the question of when president trump was given information about intelligence indicating that russia may have put bounties on the heads of u.s. soldiers in afghanistan. a person with direct knowledge of that intelligence has now confirmed to nbc news that the white house learned of it over a year ago in early 2019. the associated press was first to break the news this morning. reporting this, quote, the assessment was included in at least one of president trump's
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written daily intelligence briefings last year. additionally, according to the associated press, quote then national security adviser john bolton told colleagues at the time that he briefed trump on the intelligence assessment in march 2019. though we should point out that we have not confirmed that detail. separately the new york times is saying that trump got a written briefing on the situation in late february of this year. that is according to two officials, one of them saying it was included in the daily brief on february 27th. when the reports of this all emerged over the weekend, the president said on twitter, nobody briefed or told me about the intelligence in question. there's also the question of the intelligence itself. on sunday, the president said it was not found to be credible and characterized it as a potential hoax. then yesterday, his white house press secretary is said there
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was quote no consensus on the credibility of the intelligence assessment and today the new york times reported that there's intelligence that links russian bank transfers to taliban affiliated accounts. and meanwhile, democrats are demanding to hear directly from the leaders of the intelligence community as what they described an unsatisfactory briefing at the white house today. and they condemned the president's handling of the matter. here is stenny hoyer and congressman adam schiff. >> the president called this a hoax, nothing in the briefing that we received led me to believe it a hoax. >> i find it inexplicable that the president has not come before the country and assured the american people that he will get the bottom to whether the russians are putting a bounty on the heads of american troops and that he will do everything in his power to protect american troops. i do not understand for a moment
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why the president is not saying this to the american people right now. >> and joined now by correspondent kara lee. thank you for joining us. there's all sorts of different reports floating around out there. i want to nail down with you what you know in terms of when the president was given information about this, whether that was in the form of this daily briefing, this written daily briefing. whether it was something that was said to him personally one on one by someone else. what do we know about the number of instances and circumstances about the president having the information made available to him? >> what we no from the body of reporting out there and including some of our own, this goes back to early 2019. that's when we confirmed that the white house, top officials in the snasnational security co became aware of the russian plot to have bounties in exchange for
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the killing of u.s. troops in afghanistan. the ap was reporting that the y thepresident received a paper briefing and john bolton who was in the job at the time, told colleagues that he briefed the president on this matter. so, that goes back to early 2019f you get to more recent minds, what we know from the reporting, the new york times the president received the information in the presidential daily brief on february 27th, late february. and so, he would have had access to that information then. now, the white house has said that the president did not know about it until it became public and then he was brought up to speed. that was last friday when the story broke in the "new york times." today, white house press secretary said that the president has since been briefed on this intelligence, but only because it was already out there in news reports. and they maintain that it was
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not something that should have ri risen to the president's level. they try to determine if they have confidence in a piece of intelligence. and i have to say, one of the things that stuck out in her briefing, they are saying now because this was made public now, that they may never have a conclusion, there may never be a could consensus on this intelligence. i don't know if anybody will stand for that, but that's their position now. >> that's the other question here, what do we know about the intelligence? what do we know about how confident it was? the question if there was a consensus here, they say it may go back to early 2019. more than a year. what do we know about the intelligence that the president was presented with? >> well, we know that the president, there's not agreement across the intelligence community about the
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intelligence, about how good the intelligence was and whether or not they were able to validate it. so there was disagreement among those. obviously the new yo"new york t and other news organizations reported that in the intelligence there were things, it was human intelligence, it was signent, that is interceptions from conversations that the u.s. is monitoring and that taken together there was certainly somebody within the administration and the intelligence community who felt it was very significant and that the president, the white house should have taken some sort of actions. and we know from our own reporting that that was discussed in the national security council earlier this year but that nothing came from that. >> appreciate the time as always, thank you. >> any time. >> and i'm joined now by senator, he is a member of the foreign relations and judiciary committee, i understand you
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reviewed some of the intelligence at question today? >> yes. >> can you tell us, i know there's restrictions here, but in terms of the scope of what you think you were presented with today, did you come away with a sense of what this was pointing to or not pointing to? >> it filled in some of the details beyond what's in press reports. but frankly, steve, i think it's urgent that members of congress get a full briefing. what was presented to the president. what was known to senior leaders in the white house? a year or more ago? as i'm sure you have seen from press reports, there's a specific incident in which three u.s. marines were killed including one from delaware. staff sgt. christopher sludman. that is a focus of ongoing discussion. it's important that all members of congress know, how long ago was the president briefed on this? if he didn't read his briefing papers why not? i just heard the suggestion that
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the white house position is this was not an issue that rose to the level that required briefing the president. how's that possible? that if russia was paying bounties to the taliban or other actors or players in afghfeld afghanistan, to target u.s. troops and that resulted in deaths, how does that not rise to the level of briefing the president. and what plans do they have going forward that americans and coalition partners that continue to serve in afghanistan, are protected and that russia is made to pay a price? >> if this is true, if the reporting about this intelligence is true, and this is a bounty situation, what's the price that russia should pay? >> well, frankly we have had opportunity after opportunity in the last few years for president trump to step forward and to
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embrace sanctions that we have passed here in congress, ways that we could impose cost on russia directly or indirectly. and he has repeatedly failed to do so, so stand up and defend our elections. to stand up and advocate for our own intelligence community. to stand in common with our european partners. frankly as you know, this year the united states is the chair of the g-7, president trump tried to invite putin to the g-7 meeting and to reinclude them and expand them to the g-8, there's so many different ways. directly and indirectly that we could and should impose further costs on russia. but tragically our president has a record of refusing to do so over and over in the last three years. >> again, putting aside the specifics with trump. i'm curious what you think would be a warranted response here. if this were true, you are talking about the russian military intelligence paying for the deaths of american soldiers.
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you are outlining diplomatics and sanction responses, is that something that calls for some kind of military response? >> i'm not going leap to that conclusion, steve. i'm a little -- i'm not in a good place to make a rational decision about this right now. that's the kind of thing that certainly appeals to my emotions. i think this is an outrageous action by the russians. frankly if you look at what the global response was, the response of many of our allies when they attempted to kill a citizen in the united kingdom, most of our allies across europe and asia, threw out russian diplomats. that was for an attempted killing of a former russian citizen. this may be the targeted killing of americans and american service members. i think it would call for a much stronger response. but steve, i want to be measured.
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i want to have time to think about it and i'm pretty upset right now. >> i know house democrats met at the white house and got briefing from intelligence officials there. i know john ratcliff is set to meet tomorrow, who else would you like to hear from? >> i would like to know whether or not field commanders, in afghanistan were briefed, whether or not protective actions were taken. and whether it was conveyed to the counter a parts in russia that we intended to take issue with russia if it continued. and what else was done to strengthen collection efforts to make sure that we knew what was and not being done against our troops in syria, in iraq, in a afghanistan and other place where is we know they have been exposed to russian action, real or threatened. >> chris coons is, democrat from delaware, thank you for the time. i appreciate it.
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>> thank you. steve. >> with me now, deputy national security adviser under president george w. bush. thank you for joining us, appreciate it. i want to put up and senator coons is eluding to this. this is what michael mccall, part of the republican delegation met at the white house got a briefing. he said i think the way the process works is that he trump gets briefed three times a week on actionable items andthe decision was made that this was not at that point in time a credible, actionable item, and if it did, they would brief him. they are saying that it's two levels of it and it's possible that it does not meet a threshold to be flagging down the president and putting it in his face and making sure he sees it. is that credible to you? >> that does make sense, steve. keep in mind that the
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presidential daily brief and the intelligence that reaches the oval office is depending on how the -- this president different from president obama and different from president bush. so they have had to adapt about how he ingests information. added to that, steve, as you have just asked some very good questions. the nature of intelligence is often an art form. it's not science. it's often hard to give a black and white answer and o there's just the need for more corroboratation and more intelligence built in to the picture. and you need a policy team, the presidential daily brief is not an opportunity to raise red flags or tell the president a lot of bad things are happening. you have to be ready to do something about it. and if the information was not concrete enough or action was not being prepared or options
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available, it's likely or could be likely that the president didn't receive this in a way that makes as much sense in hindsight now that we are understanding more and more of the information. >> well, that'ses t e -- that's question, you have the variable of does the president read his daily briefs? did he read this one in particular? does he read them in general? the white house press secretary is saying he does. there's been reporting at other times that calls that in to question a little bit. i'm curious from the intelligence community standpoint, if that is on their mind at all, the possibility that the president isn't seeing this, isn't reading something that is going in there, does that affect at all how they put the information together? whether they make a decision to go to another level and fry to get a meeting, something like that? >> absolutely. it affects three levels. it affects what information is actually put in front of the president, is this going to be important to the president? will it be actioned?
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will it be understood? and it also affects the tone and the verbiage, right? do you need more headlines for this kind of a president? does it have to be black and white around levels of confidence? and finally can you get the information in front of him that you think is important for him to make a decision in front of him in different ways. is it a briefing from a senior adviser? is it dni? keep in mind, steve, you had three different dnis over the last few months, i have argued that's probably affected the way that things have been presented to the president because the dni helps to filter and guide how the intelligence community is presenting things to the president. the disconnection at the top has affected how things have been handled at least in recent months. >> thank you for that. >> thank you, steve. >> a new warning coming up from
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dr. fauci on the new surge of coronavirus cases. >> we are now having 40 plus thousand new cases a day. i would not be surprised if we go up to 100,000 a day. if this does not turn around and so i'm very concerned. >> this as joe biden holds a public event where he criticized president trump's response to the pandemic the recent protests and the russian bounty allegations. we have more to get to, stay with us. with us. depend. the only thing stronger than us, is you.
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welcome back, tonight, health experts are voicing growing concern on the increase in the number of coronavirus cases now being seen in a number of southern and western states. to date, the u.s. has reported more than 127,000 deaths and 2.6 million positive cases. in according to data tracked by the washington post, the number of people hospitalized for covid-19 is growing in seven states. in texas, arizona and nevada,
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south carolina, montana and georgia and california. the seven-day average is up 25% from last week when it comes to hospitalizations. dr. anthony fauci testified today on capitol hill. >> i'm very concerned about what's going on right now, particularly in the four states that are accounting for about 50% of the new infections. but the other vulnerable states, so, i would have to say the numbers speak for themselves. i'm very concerned, and i'm not satisfied with what is going on because we are going in the wrong direction. clearly we are not in total control right now. >> fauci also warned about a possible rise in cases. >> we are now having 40,000 plus new cases a day, i would not be surprised if we go up to 100,000 a day if this does not turn around. and so i'm very concerned. i think it's important to tell you and the american public had that i'm very concerned because it could get very bad.
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>> a number of states and counties have paused or begun rolling back their reopenings. yesterday, goff governor ducey d bars, gyms and theaters. hospitals in california and texas are also working to manage upticks in hospitalizations. los angeles county has ordered all beaches to close over the fourth of july weekend after reporting its highest single day case number on monday. for more, i'm joined by lonnie chin, and dr. eezekiel emanuel, msnbc medical contributor. doctor, let's start with you. we played the clips, dr. fauci said he is very nervous about the data and the numbers we are running through right there. i do note in some of the states there are these reopening steps
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that are being rolled back in some cases. bars, nightclubs, gyms, in person drinking, i think, in florida, they decided to do away with. are enough steps being taken right now? and if not, what are some of the most important steps that you think the states should be taking? >> well, these states are all on the exponential increase in terms of the number of cases. you can see it by looking at the graphs. it was very predictable in may, when they opened up without having a decline and when they, you know, started having these big gatherings after memorial day and afterwards. if you are on the exponential increase, you have to do an extreme lockdown, these half measures are exactly -- they are good, they are going in the right direction, but they are not sufficient. and you know, it's not going to be enough. you have to actually have people at home, close nonessential
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businesses, stop bars, stop indoor dining. have everyone wearing face masks. these are the things that we need to do and by the way, just doing it in isolated places is not going to solve it either. you need to do it nationwide. it's not like people in florida stay? florida or people in texas don't travel to say, louisiana or arkansas or neighboring areas and so, if you only do it in texas, other places are going to begin to see. >> you have written about balancing and controlling the virus until there's a vaccine with having some reopening, trying get back to some semblence of life in the country, what do you make of what dr. manuel thinks about the steps that should be taken right now? >> well, first of all, the notion of trying to do regional coordination makes sense to me. i would love to see governors of neighboring states getting together and figuring out what are ways we can work together to
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begin to peel back some of the trend that we have seen in the last few days, which is troubling indeed. the notion of a complete lockdown, i just don't think works at this point. i think given where we are in this reopening process, the biggest question in my mind is, what are the targeted interventions necessary and in some cases that will be rolling back and in some cases that is closing bars and indoor dining and etcetera, and in other cases it seems that we need to be more surgical, we know more about the virus than we did when we put in the initial lockdowns, we know more about transmissions and scenarios that were troubling and more difficult, the indoor facilities and gyms and other places that started up. a targeted approach, figuring out what we need to shut back down, figuring out where we need to taper back down, make as lot of sense, in addition to a regional approach that takes in to account the mobility between states. >> doctor what about what lonnie
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is saying, the difference of indoor and outdoor. being in a restaurant or bar and nightclub, verses being out on a beach. i see the beaches in california, florida, some of them announcing they are not going be to open for the fourth of july weekend. for folk who is have been inside for months now, who don't have jobs, all of this, is there a pragmatic case for no restaurants but yes, beaches, yes, parks, yes get outside and get some air? >> look, steve, you are exactly right. there's four things that dramatically increase your risk of transmission. close spaces, crowds, very pro long expo sumpt re and deep exhalations, coughing, sneezing, yelling or singing. it is possible to have a few people on a beach that you can physically distance in the outdoors and that's fine. unfortunately, what we have been seeing is that you get these massive crowds over pro longed periods of time and that does
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counter act a lot of the advantages of being outdoors. that's why in door bars are a bad idea, gyms where you have forced exhalations and you are indoors for a prolonged period of time. but if you just open the beaches, and fourth of july, hundreds of thousands of people crowd small areas that will counter act the advantage of being outdoors. i don't see this strike that we are going to get and that we are going to cure this thing, the thing that's bent the curve in new york, and brought it down was a pretty substantial closing and limiting of crowds, not to 50, but to ten and that was needed in italy and other places. we are not unique. and if we do these half measures, it will continue. >> i just want to follow-up on that, the situation you are describing, crowds packed together on a beach in an outdoor space, being a vector of
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transmission. i'm thinking back to the protests we have seen over the last month, and i know there's been debate did this cause, will this cause, is it going to contribute to an increases in the cases? i'm seeing the numbers rise in so many places among younger people and you are describing the beach, sounds like the protest in a lot of ways. do you think the protests have contributed to this? >> well, that is an imperical question and we will have to see, we will note a lot of the protesters wore a lot of them wore face masks. they were -- that situation was complicated by the use of tear gas, and forcing people in to small areas and things that the police did to aggravate potential spread. but we are, you know, steve, this is, that is an empirical question and it's not a thought question, we don't have data on whether or not it increased the rate or not. we have good reason to beaches that they are not wearing masks and they are crowded together and they are there for a pro-longed period of time.
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it's not a good combination and then they crowd by the way, at food areas and at bathrooms and other places for, you know, while they are getting refreshment s or going to the restroom. >> last thought. what are your thought on that? >> well, look, i think it's fairly clear, that any time you have a significant gathering of people and that includes people who gather to protest, you are raising the probability of transmission of the coronavirus. some of those protesters wore masks. some did not. so, surely it is the case in some urban areas that we are seeing rising numbers. and it's a function of all of these things. i don't think it's right to blame any one factor. it's all reopening and all protests. it's not true. but the combination of the different factors is an explanation why we are seeing the increases in younger populations. that has not translated to mortality, it's a lagging indicator so we will have to see. we are hoping we see it happening among younger people
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donald trump failed us. month after month, and now,
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donald trump is in retreat. he called himself a war-time president. what happened? now, it's almost july. seems like our war-time president has surrendered, waved the white flag and left the battlefield. >> welcome back, that was the presumptive presidential nominee in wilmington, delaware, taking aim at the donald trump's handling of the coronavirus. biden wore a mask which he removed for the speech and he laid out the speech to layout a plan for fighting the pandemic and urged more formal public health rules. >> today we are facing a serious threat. we have to meet it. we have to meet it as one country. but the president gives no direction. and he pits us against one another. we can't continue like this. half recovery and half getting
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worse. we can't continue. half wearing masks, and half rejecting science. >> biden also pledged that if he is elected he will ask dr. anthony fauci to work with his administration. he also took questions from the press today, that was the first time he done that since early april. this was also his first in person press event since the end of february. for his part, president trump used twitter today to once again draw attention to monuments that have come under attack from some protesters and to vow prosecution for those that defaced them. two anarchists who threw paint on the magnificent george washington statue in manhattan. that was over the weekend. biden said that the president's tweets in recent days and and in particular, his retweet of an apparent supporter saying "white power" only divides the nation. >> we are giving a portion of
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the population, who has responded to the um, sort of race-baiting that the president has engaged in, a sort of prepass. and it generates division. >> and biden also had tough words for president trump regarding alleged russian bounties to kill -- to the taliban to kill american troops in afghanistan. that is next. in afghanistan that is next we're carvana, the company who invented
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welcome back, in a speech today near his home in wilmington, delaware, joe biden blasted president trump over his handling of the coronavirus. taking questions from reporters for the first time in months, biden weighed in on the report of possible russian bounties. >> the idea that somehow he didn't know or isn't being
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briefed, it is a derriliction of duty in that case, and if he was briefed and nothing was done about this, that's a derraliction of duty. >> he stopped short saying that thepresident violated the oath of office, and said that was up to voters. biden is showing a double didn't lead nationally, biden with the 53% in the poll to trump's 41% in a two-way match up. for more, i'm joined by susan paige, cornell belcher, and rich lowrie, editor at national review. thank you for being with us. susan, let me start with you, we mention it's the first time in months that biden has done something like this. probably given everyone flashbacks to the days before the coronavirus pandemic set in. what is it going to look like from this point forward from the biden campaign standpoint? are there going to be more of these? is he stepping up his schedule?
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or are they looking at the last few months and saying, this worked out pretty well, no need to be that much much more visible? >> it's remarkable how well biden has done since staying out-of-sight. but i think they are going to pick things up, in whatever form the convention will take. he has been doing interviews, and it's the first news conference in three months. i'm certain he will be doing more of those. and of course, those debates. he has to get warmed up up for the debates that this fall will be crucial in showing these two men in their 70s side-by-side, both of them charging that the other does not have the co compitence to be president. >> let's talk about the race. the polls right now, we have talked about them so much, another one from usa today, and susan's paper showing a double digit lead for biden. two parter.
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can you see trump turning this around and still winning this election, if so, how? >> yeah, after 2016, i will never count him out again. but he is in a paralysis condition, it's a ten-point lead for biden, you see it nationally and reflected in the state polls. trump needs -- this is one reason why in political terms the resurging of the coronavirus is bad for him. he needs to turn the page from the covid crisis that they were expecting to do in the last couple of weeks and we are seeing that will not happen any time soon and unusually for an incumbent, he needs a debate. susan mentioned the debates. he needs the debate. he has to go in punching and hoping biden makes a disasterous gaffe or falls on his face. he needs the news cycle to change and he needs biden, somehow, to be disqualified or disqualify himself. >> cornell, let me ask you, i'm
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curious what you think about that, given rich said, there's the memory of 2016 when everything seemed to be going wrong for donald trump right up until he won the election had. and there's the reality of the polls right now. do you look at this and see vulnerabilities on the democratic side, vulnerabilities for joe biden that have not been exploited yet that could be? >> well, that's a, that's a good question. and i want to under line the point that rich was making. it is unusual that an incumbent needs you know the debates in this instance. and needs the, their challenger to trip up. i think the biden campaign has been spot on. why get in the way of your opponent when they continue to crash and burn? and with all the immediate attention that has been on donald trump, 99% of it has been on donald trump, he has crashed and burned over and over again. so, why get in the way of that and mess up that dynamic. you know, steve, usually i would
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say, i would be one of the first people out there and say, look, you have to give voters something to vote for. you got to sort of draw a sharp contrast to your opponent, and you have to hit your opponent and give them a reason why not to support them. especially if they are the incumbent. it's hard to say that right now. because, you know, i think biden campaign would be foolish to not make this as much as possible a referendum on donald trump. because if this is a campaign that is a -- that is a choice between joe widbiden and donald trump, i love biden's chances. if it's a referendum on donald trump. >> let me flip it around a bit and talk about it from a trump standpoint, we are talking about biden, can, what he may not do. what about the president. there's stories about the folks around him saying, are you in
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trouble, shake up your campaign, change your message. be more disciplined. we have heard the talk in many different contexts. do you have a sense that we will see anything different from the president in the days and weeks ahead? >> no. have we learned nothing since 2015? you know, president trump has enormous confidence in his own gut. it's brought him this far. i would not -- it would be no surprise to anybody if there was a campaign shake up, he is not a person who is afraid to shake up the staff around him if he is unhappy with them. but i think what we have learned is, advisers can tell him whatever they want, that he needs to pivot, he needs to be more positives and not tweet such provocative things, they have had little luck. donald trump is donald trump is donald trump, and americans will be in a decision to decide if they want a second term of this. and biden's task here is to make sure he continues to be seen as
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an acceptable alternative. if trump is running against trump, but biden is somehow looking like he is not up to the job, that's a situation in which you might see some hope for the president. >> one of the areas that we mentioned this too a couple of minutes ago, where the president and his team seem to think there's an opportunity here. we mention monuments and statues of all different varieties that were taken down and defaced right now. in some case the president with the tweet today in reference to the arch in washington square in new york city. biden was asked about the monuments coming down today, let's play what he to say about that. take a listen. >> the idea of comparing whether or not george washington owned slaves or thomas jefferson owned slaves, and somebody who was in rebellion committi inting treas running a union to take town slavery. toppeling the christopher
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columbus statue or george washington statue. that is something that the government has a opportunity and responsibility to protect. >> so rich, you have biden there drawing a distinction between confederate monuments something like george washington, the president wants this issue. is biden giving him anything to work with here? >> yeah, so that's the other clear play for the president, steve. is to try to associate biden with the extremism on the left and parts of the democratic party. the problem is biden is not going to cooperate with it, right? saw it a couple of weeks ago with the defund the police was a hot issue and growing ruberic and no way biden is getting anywhere near that. you see vandalism of the statues of the founders. i have to believe that most people reject that hideous conduct, and biden will not get near it. no matter what biden said, he is not going to be in control of the presidency and he is going
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to be pushed to the left from extremists, that's the argument, a bank shot compared to if biden came out and said, defund the police and topple george washington, which he is not going to do. >> that's an interesting question, cornell, saying biden is not playing in to trump's hand. we have seen it in a number of contexts so far. when you look at the democrats, the 24 that set to run for president. do you think given the circumstances that they would all be ahead right now? or do you think the last few months have revealed advantages that biden has that the rest would not have? it would be a different race if somebody else was nominated? >> i think the fact that biden is probably one of the strongest candidates, probably the strongest candidate we had in the field for that moderate swath of the electorate, and while barack obama was losing independent voters in 2012, we
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dominated that middle swath of the electorate and won moderate voters big, and that was key to the pathway. i have to make this other point about the monuments and the cultural war. it's not 1969 and when you look at how donald trump won, you know, college voters narrowly in 2016 but he is losing them big. it's not just about the economy. the middle class or middle american voters are tired of the division. >> we did see polling of college educated voters on the question of the monuments. the confederate monuments at least moving incredibly in the last couple of years. thank you all for being with us, appreciate you taking the time. and still ahead, hey, guesses what? it was prime day in kentucky a week ago, and now, a result in the big senate race. welcome to elections in the age of covid, kentucky primary results, right after this. coviy results, right after this. life isn't a straight line.
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all right. here we go. you're looking at results here. about a week ago, i was standing here, in fact, it was a week ago i was standing here saying we were starting to get some results, a very small number of results from the kentucky senate democratic primary. now we have all of the results. basically, they took a week there in kentucky to take all of those mail-in ballots, hundreds of thousands of them, to have them all to come in to count them and release the results, which they did today. here you go, just about everything is counted.
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amy mcgrath, that's going to be the democratic nominee against mitch mcconnell. she defeated charles booker. mcgrath came into this race about a year ago, got a lot of national attention, made a big name for her running in the midterm election for the house. charles booker got momentum late. mcgrath wins this very narrowly. when the votes were cast is sort of the story of this primary. this was the in-person vote. official wli last week was primary day. three largest counties in kentucky, and what do you see here? among the people that went out last week and voted, big, big booker margins. he had the late momentum, got all the attention in the last week of the campaign. seemed to make an impression on the people who voted at the last minute. compared to the number of mail-in votes, not a lot of people went to the polls. some did this weeks ago, before booker got that attention, got
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that momentum. and it was a totally different story here. this is jefferson county, still won the mail-in vote, but that's 1/3 the margin he got on primary day. the margin was reduced by 46 points in lexington. fayette county, mcgrath won this county, the superbs s county, the superbs uburbs of cincinnati, she won it overwhelmingly. if this were done on primary day, it's possible booker would have won. but that stretched-out mail-in voting time you had in the era of covid made the difference. before booker caught fire, mcgrath banked an awful lot of votes and helped her pull out the victory. that's kentucky. there's one playing out tonight in colorado. two democrats, remember john higg higginlooper, he's the favorite. we'll see what happens. if he wins, he'll face corey gardner, colorado is a
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republican incumbent, running in a state trump did not carry in 2016. by the way, we may, may, may get some more numbers tomorrow in new york. where two long-serving democratic incumbents, in the votes that have been count sod far, engle is in big trouble in this race. when those mail-in votes are counted, maloney leads narrowly. we may get some numbers there. but two incumbent members of congress. certainly at least one of them in a whole world of trouble. keep an eye on that. up next, we're going to remember the legend carl reiner. stay with us.
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the world lost a comedy legend last night. carl reiner died at the age of 98. his career spanned seven decades as a comedian, actor, writer, director. his big break came in the '50s on "your show of shows" and in the '60s he created "the dick van dyke show." reiner teamed up with mel brooks for iconic 2,000-year-old man. >> i'll give you a high note. ♪ >> did you see that? >> what did you do? >> a natural reaction. >> people hit themselves in the face? >> oh, boy. wow.
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>> that hurts, though. >> you bet it hurts. >> his son, rob reiner, tweeted this. >> when asked how he wanted to be remembered, carl reiner once replayed, he made a difference, a little, and he made me laugh. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" is up next. tonight on a special edition of "all in" -- a nation in the grip of crisis amid a raging pandemic and a national reckoning on race and policing. tonight for the hour, four mayors of four major cities tasked with leading their cities through this critical moment in american history. this is all in america, frontlines of change. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. for the next hour, we're going to be talking about the issues of policing and race amidst a crippling pandemic. i'll be joined by mayors from four major cities across the

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