tv Deadline White House MSNBC July 3, 2020 2:00pm-3:00pm PDT
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hi, everyone. i'm nicolle wallace. it is 5:00 p.m. in the east, 3:00 p.m. in south dakota where donald trump will be attending a fourth of july fireworks display with 7,500 of his closest friends tonight. one thing we won't be seeing at mount rushmore, mandated social distancing. south dakota's governor says they won't require that and face masks? well, they're optional. trump and allies trying to leave behind the pandemic that only keeps growing despite his repeated and incorrect assertion that the virus will go away. the u.s. begins the july fourth weekend with the death toll surpassing 130,000 but the cdc says the total could be much higher of confirmed cases and
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65,000 new cases recorded yesterday with half of those new infections coming from 4 states. arizona, california, florida and texas. and the nation's top disease expert dr. fauci issued yet another stark warning of what happens if we don't take immediate steps to reverse our trend. >> we need to realize that if we do not adhere to the guidelines as we are trying to open and i don't mean officially, the people that are out there, we're going to be in some serious difficulty. right now if you look at the number of cases it is quite disturbing and we are setting records practically every day of new cases in the numbers that are reported. that clearly is not the right direction. >> let's bring in nbc news correspondent cal perry in south dakota ahead of trump's visit. you have the nation's crises
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there in a little bit. talk about the mood there. you were on the ground in tulsa. any parallels to the feeling or the conflict of people outside? >> reporter: this is a continuation of what we saw in tulsa. the president's road tour continues and it's with no sense of irony that he is going to talk tonight about american history and he keeps doing it in these places that have become touchstones in american society as we start to review our history and looking back he is giving a speech in a place that's sacred land to native americans, promised to native americans by the u.s. government in 1868 and then betrayed less than ten years later and of that backdrop to speak about not tearing down the history and our monuments and for so many people they're the black tilhills of sh dakota. there's a three-mile cordon around this memorial. this is what it's like to be a
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professional athlete. i'm heckled out day. it is amazing. and there's a three-mile cordon that the secret service shut down most of the national park and trying to keep protesters out and only seen a couple dozen partly because this community, the native american community, hit so hard by the coronavirus and so concerned that the rally to bring the virus back into the communities, community that is do not have the same resources to deal with the virus as the rest of the country and so people are wondering why he picked this place on this day just like in tulsa. >> let me stay on the topic of covid because we spoke to carolyn lenig about how the vice president's traveling petrie dish couldn't get off the ground because he didn't have adequate healthy secret service officers and a known known where the president and the vice president go they bring covid infections with them. is the federal government
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surging any protective gear, any resource there is to protect the local community? >> reporter: no. it is confusing as to why the governor of south dakota would basically say we won't socially distance and if you have a problem with it you can enjoy it on the tv and hand out masks, not requiring that they be worn. we were there this morning, everything is so close that i'm not sure it would really matter. i understand that the event is outdoors but i'm living in an rv and telling you from my own perspective in the rural areas covid is catching on like fire through dry grass and the administration is doing this as an act of defiance. the president of the united states carrying out the rallies and if you wear a mask you are not a supporter of the president and then that's sort of what they tell you. >> i'm sighing because it's so crazy. if you love donald trump wear a
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mask. if you don't love donald trump wear a mask. cal perry, if anything heats up there jump back on the air. up a flare. joining us now practicing physician and one who worked on the response dr. patel, eli sto stokels and dr. rick stengel. the vice president's trip delayed because there weren't enough healthy secret service agents and it would appear that a microcosm of what's happening in the country, the spread of coronavirus, is happening within this white house. >> absolutely. not just secret service agents but as we know that there are other kind of staff, even though it's not widely publicized, affecting people in the executive branch and i think that the part that's very interesting is that here you
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have not just the vice president's detail, but you can almost be certain that there are already people who are on the ground in south dakota, it is going to be the same story we saw in tulsa where we had people coming in from out of town into south dakota which is already seen an increase in cases and we are setting literally a petrie dish to create more cases when we are already struggling a as country, hospitals begging for some reprieve and i think perhaps most concerned for people like myself is that we have not had the decrease that we were hoping for before the fall when we see the influenza virus hitting us and this is just unnecessary irresponsible and flagrant to be candid. >> doctor, can you see the seats that we are putting up on the screen? i wonder as a physician and as someone with a background in
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science if you see germs with the chairs that close together. i'm nervous and just an anxious mask wearing mom. >> no, your gut instinct is right. mom's instinct as i tell my kids is usually always correct. we are trying to get rid of waiting rooms in clinics and hospitals because that is -- those chairs stacked next to each other is exactly what we want to avoid and so i would say the same thing that i'm saying to anybody who wants to go outside for any purpose. to stay physically distanced and if you're in a high-risk category of obese, over a certain age, have other chronic conditions, you have no business being in that high risk environment. >> eli, you have to explain this sentence to me. this is what the white house is saying the speech will be about.
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if we tear our down history we will not be able to understand ourselves or america's destiny. so donald trump there linking our confederate history because to my knowledge most of what is torn down is confederate statues. how are they linked to america's destiny? i've lost the thread on his embrace of the confederacy. >> well, you know white supremacy is a cornerstone of american history from the beginning. what's interesting here is now you have a president who's vocally and actively trying to protect and preserve that piece of what he calls our heritage and to defend it in a moment where if there's a groundswell building to remove some of the statues, to rename military bases that are named for confederate generals. the president is four months away from re-election. tomorrow's the nation's birthday, typically when presidents and leaders try to
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unify the country. and donald trump is doing what he always does which is pushing a message that's divisive and really tailored to his base, primarily to white americans, a message of grooechievance and n being afraid and ashamed of our history and it is remarkable and thinking of how close we are to the election this is a president asked a few times in the last several days what he wants to do with the second term, what is his vision for another four years. he has struggled to answer that question and if you step back and you try to glean something from his tweets and from the speech tonight in terms of what he is focused on it seems that at a time when the country's being convulsed by protests, my a pandemic, by a recession, when 130,000 americans have already died, what the president is focused on right now is keeping
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monuments to confederate war generals standing and berating anybody really who is opposed to them. >> rick, making the confederacy great again is having a terribly detrimental impact on the political standing. that's reassuring. let me read the political fate at this moment. quote, as mr. trump heads to south dakota on friday to spend the holiday and the carved presence of presidential greatness he is suffering through the most trying stretch of the administration thanks in large part to the self inflicted wounds. june represented the political nader of the 3 1/2 years in the oval office when a race in which he had been steadily trailing broke open and left him facing the possibility of not just defeat but humiliation this fall. rick? >> well, i make it a practice
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not to look at any national polls. i will look at that poll on election day but i thought eli said it well about the monuments, the monuments, stonewall jackson and robert e. lee and richmond, the old capital of the confederacy, monuments to men who killed tens of thousands of americans to keep tens of thousands of other americans in bondage. those are not monuments. that's an abomination. that's why it needs to be pulled down. that's why he is not popular with americans. he's using history, history which is meant to unite us, history meant to bring us together, something that we can look back on. he is using history to divide us and looking at a particular form of history that is meant to capture the minds and hearts of people racist, people who don't like immigration and the direction that america is heading in which will be a -- not by 2040 a nonwhite majority
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country. that's what he is using history for, not a history he understands but to pit one part of america against another part of america that's just tragic. >> while -- but to extend the point, the one part of america that is no longer available to him is the 76% of americans, that's a 26% jump from 2015, that now share the goals of the black lives matter movement, that want to see us, not erase the history but reexamine it and get truthier about it. he is painting himself into a co corner where there is a smaller and whiter and angrier coalition of voters available to him. it is stupid politics, rick. >> yes. and you know that republican party understood a while back that demography is destiny and
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republican voters, party has to be browner, reach out to latinos. there aren't enough of those white voters who like donald trump to really get him elected and that's the very limited part of the vision and even the older white voters that voted for him last time, forget about the monuments business. i'm in a category of people that is at risk and he is done an absolutely piss poor job of running the country for using the federal government at the exact time that you would want the federal government to use its power in a global pandemic, national pandemic and says, no, up to you, the states. you make that decision about whether to wear a mask or not. i think those voter that is think the heck with the monuments. he is not protecting me. i am not voting for him. >> eli, i actually first of all let me say for the moment never seen rick this fired up and i
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love it. every trump tweets law and order i wonder if the followers think let's use that to stamp out coronavirus. it's been his, the ball handed to him four months ago when it landed here in our country. even in trump world, what is the story he is telling his voters about the fact that he is traveling to battleground states, bringing his petrie dish of covid infections that seem to be running rampant in the secret service and the staffers? there's an uptick in cases in tulsa. now mt. rushmore and there's some very vulnerable members of that community there that are very concerned. i don't even understand what his message is to the people who are prone to or have a history of believing his baloney spin on things. >> well, i mean, the unifying thread, this is a president and
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the person that cannot face reality when that reality is anything other than aggrandizing and politically convenient and tweeting things like law and order, he tweets a lot and he sounds like someone who isn't actually the president of the united states. he sounds like a bystander. criticizing, whether it's tv hosts, criticizing governors, whether it's his own government, he is always a critic sort of chirping from the sidelines and the other realities, the reality of the actual situation that is -- that the country is facing with the coronavirus felt now really deeply across the south and the sun belt in red states where you start to see republican governors there disavow some of the politics that the president put forward and start to follow the science. the president can't do that. he hasn't shown the attention span to grapple with the hard process of containing this virus and unifying the country to get everybody to pull together to
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wear masks and to do the things and it is just -- this is a president that can't face his own poll numbers, it is all of a piece, a president who is in his own world and a lot of his staff are there to sort of prop him up and prepeerpetuate the fantasied why we are in the pattern here. >> doctor, one of the good things that comes up in poll after poll is that the public trust medical professionals, they trust some of them trust the science. what does the science tell people to do this weekend? what is your advice going into a holiday weekend? >> yeah. it's pretty clear. so if you're going to be outside of your home, if you're vulnerable, the best thing is to try to stay at home and there is a number of places that you can figure out how to stay at home safely even if you have other household members. if you are going to leave your
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house, do so with people you know the risk of, meaning close kind of family members, wear a mask. ask them to wear masks. keep a physical distance and avoid any buffets. try to do anything to have at least the food preparation individual so that you don't have any close contact with people and then i would just say that look at -- look around you and assess the risk to take. there's no such thing as zero risk so we just need to be safe and take as little risk as possible to keep us safe as a country. >> doctor, eli, rick, thank you all so much for spending some time with us and starting us off have a safe holiday weekend. joe biden playing the long game into november with solid polling advantages not just in battleground states but conservative ones. we'll talk about how he keeps
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americans -- the president -- be tremendous -- past few months. by this government to get the act together to beat the virus but donald trump's squandered that sacrifice and all about him. think about it. he thinks the presidency about him. it durant have a damn thing to do with him. it is about you. it's about the american people.
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>> that was donald trump's 2020 democratic challenger joe biden discussing the state of the pandemic with some of america's teachers from the national education association. biden maintains a steady and growing lead over donald trump with poll after poll showing the former vice president with a double digit lead today. more importantly, biden is turning the tables on trump in key battleground states that trump needs if he has a chance to repeat his 2016 win. joining ours conversation, democratic strategist because el smichael and elise jordan. i hope your corgi made the cut and is at your feet. first of all, there is something about joe biden just doing what he's got to do in a way that contrasts itself. he is at home not because he's, you know, hiding or reluctant to
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get out on the campaign trail. he is at home because the opposite is what donald trump is doing which is a trail of new infections in tulsa. i pray there aren't more tonight at mt. rushmore. so just -- the way he is campaigning is in and itself of a pretty powerful contrast. >> niccole, the no nonsense approach of joe biden is refreshing for voters who are simply tired of the constant drama and racism that donald trump presents. you look at his campaign so far and what has really been the big message is anti-science, been pro white supremacy, a muddled message of just the cult of donald trump and so joe biden modeling good behavior and staying out of the way of the
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chaos and letting donald trump burn more bridges with voters has according to recent polls that are really just staggering that leads so early in the race are to joe biden's benefit right now. >> basel, my friends an hour ago have just -- they have moved straight to the blunt assessment. donald trump running with language, more closely associated with white supremacy, with this talk of heritage. going to give a speech tonight talking about not tearing down our history. all that's being torn down is racist history, not the full picture or anything that a majority of americans want to see preserved. what do you make as the reason for that strategy? it is obviously not polling well. it is not putting him ahead in the battleground states that he would need to win again. why do you think that's what he
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is doing? >> well, it worked for him the first time at least in his mind what he thinks, it worked the first time. why give up on that strategy? for some reason if you look at him and see him in his rallies he seems to get more energized when he digs in deeper with more hate and anger and that level of i guess hate and the way that he talks about people and a way to treat other americans not only is getting -- not only is repulsive but it is getting old, tired among people that were willing to give him this opportunity to be president and now sort of rethinking it so to elise's point, you don't get in the way of a boulder and i think what joe biden is doing. i'm not -- i'm going to have this very tight, very methodical
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and surgically crafted messages and events to raise these other voices, amplify them, something that donald trump doesn't do. it is about his voice and not the voice of american people. >> right. elise, what surprises me is how badly it's doing for him because as you have both pointed out it is not new but look at the numbers. in arizona biden's 51, trump 44. in florida which people, i don't know, two years ago talking about how florida might never even be a battleground state, it was so red. biden ahead by fiver. in michigan biden 48, trump 43. north carolina biden 51, trump 44. pennsylvania biden at 50, trump 44. wisconsin biden 51, trump 43. >> specific to florida, let's
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just break out senior citizens and you look at how senior citizens are turning away from donald trump. >> right. >> if he loses seniors he loses the entire election. and there isn't that much of a margin for error here when you have just record numbers of senior citizens who are affected by coronavirus and then donald trump is out there saying that it's not a problem. don't worry about wearing a mask and not modeling good behavior himself so people don't want to die. this approach to the pandemic has been chaos and insanity and so you see that reflected in florida, a place that i certainly thought along with most strategists that it had just turned red and would stay that way for the foreseeable future. >> yeah. basil, we'll give you the last word. >> just a point about what joe biden's strategy is here. one of the things that i like
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that he is doing is he's allowing the activists and the leaders on the ground to amplify their voices in this moment of tumult in our country and in doing so what he is letting them do is to define the party's agenda and platform going forward. and that's incredibly important because when institutions are questioned right now he is not coming forward with an institutional message. it's grassroots, not top down, it is bottom up and i think that's reflected in everything that elise just said and the fact that there are reports saying progressives are now starting to embrace joe biden not just because of how donald trump is but because he's leading at a time where a lot of these folks on the ground are setting the path forward for the country and not just the institutions that they've been sort of campaigning against for so long. >> i haven't putt you on the spot yet.
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who should biden pick for the running mate? >> wow! that is on the spot. you know, wow. i like kamala and val demings and not sure he will pick an african-american. emotionally i want that but even if he doesn't, there are a ton of other folks that i think would be great. elizabeth warren. would be outstanding. for example. but you know? i love harris, abrams and demings. >> a lot of choices. i'm sorry you got put on the spot today on a holiday friday. >> that's all right. >> thank you for spending time with us. up next, the debate of st e police reform, new details into the killing of elijah mcclain last year. my life.
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in just the last hour, aurora, colorado, police announced the firing of several officer that is reenacted a neck hold at the site of the death of elijah mcclain. he died after being stopped by officers put into a chokehold and then injected with a strong sedative. he was walking home from a store with a ski mask. let's bring in gabe gutierrez. >> reporter: as you mentioned the pictures were just released within the past hour or so. two taken in october. the interim police chief here says two of the officers in the pictures just been fired. a third would have been fired but already resigned earlier this week and then a fourth officer had gotten those pictures in a text message and
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responded quote ha ha and she said that's why all four were fired for conduct unbecoming. you can see a news conference under way by the family of elijah mcclain and the local activists, many folks want to see criminal charges against the officers. interim police chief wrapped up a news conference a short time ago. take a listen. >> we are ashamed. we are sickened and angry. while the allegations of this internal affairs case is not criminal it is a crime against humanity and decency. >> reporter: again, back live here in colorado, a protest, larger protest, is scheduled for later on this afternoon. and we just received a statement from the police union calling the internal investigation a rush to judgment and the union is saying that the police chief is unfit for the position she currently holds so certainly a lot of raw emotions right now and we think we see elijah
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mcclain's mother down there about to speak. the family is furious after the photos for the first time earlier today. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you so much for being there. for spending time with us. after the break, they refused for years, now as america collectively reconsiders some of the relics seen as racist, washington's nfl team might be on the verge of changing its name. that story next. 300 miles an hour,
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police officers killed george floyd on memorial day this year. here we are a day before the fourth of july with a very long way still to go and the path to social justice but think about when's happened just in the past few weeks. some racist relics swecpt away. mississippi state flag, statues and now this, the nfl team in washington, d.c. says they're going to do a quote thorough review of the team's name which has been condemned as an anti-indigenous slur after fedex which has naming rights to the team's stadium requested yesterday that ownership make a change. joining the conversation, our friends eddie glaud at princeton university and author of a new book that we'll get to in a minute that everybody's talking about and msnbc legal analyst
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maya wiley. lots to talk to you about, too. madame mayor. let me start with this d.c. debate that has raged for years, eddie. you have spoken to me for three years on this program and for almost a decade before that on "morning joe" about these racist reminders being a reminder of who we still are. what does it say to you that some of the bigger things are falling, bigger things that with stood criticism for years and years. >> i mean, it says to me i think we are on the precipice of change at a certain level. the demographic shifts have placed us at a certain position. the grassroots activism over the last few years, it's come to a head in some ways.
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and you know, what it remind me of, if we think about how the shift around same-sex marriage happened, there was just clear opposition. it was part of the culture wars and then boom it just happened in some ways. right? so you had activism and then a cultural shift and i think we are seeing that with regards to confederate monuments, to these racial slurs, these ethnic insensitivity. we are seeing that now but there's no necessary relationship between those kind of symbolic shifts and substantive policy shift thats will address fundamental inequality in the country but it's a step. >> there's knowing something is wrong and doing something about it. there was knowing that the things wrong, cringeworthy to say the name of the team and then there's doing something about it. what is sort of that in that
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broth that is the delta between knowing things are wrong and erasing the things that are wrong or trying to? >> i think it has to do with changing the framework. if you imagine if you have a particular kind of seasoning in the broth that makes it bitter, so typically over the last few decades whenever we talked about these issues we framed them with at least part of the debate framed within the debate of political correctness. there was a sense in which if you talked about the redskins, the con federal monuments and the flag and the like it's not read as an insistence of the liberals, progressives to police language, who wanted to police belief and we know now that that frame is at least fracturing. although donald trump is in some ways appealing to it. in the last block, you talked about what was he doing? we are seeing elements of the southern strategy morphing into
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what it was all along and that's the white nationalist strategy so you have appeal to heritage, calls for law and order, seen the presidential ads about defund the police from the trump campaign and of course voter suppression designed to appeal to what? white fears, white resentiment, white grievances aside of greed and self interest to build a coalition to win in november. >> well, maya wiley, i think the polls and again polls are only good the moment that they're taken and by the time we talk about them they're taken days ago but with the polls say now is the strategy is not adequate to reassemble whatever the coalition was that delivered donald trump's last victory. what does that say to you, maya? >> it says that america's
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hurting and donald trump has not demonstrated the leadership that demonstrates that he can cure what ails us and i think increasingly and as eddie said, you know what these demonstrations have also pulled forward in a powerful way is that americans are starting to realize that we do need to be a more per effect union, that we are -- that donald trump is not appealing to our better angels. he is not the party of lincoln and he is taking the party very, very, very long distance of being the party of lincoln and i think that americans are not lost or confused and if you just think about just how powerful this moment has been looking at polling it is the erosion of support for donald trump but the recognition including 6 out of 10 republicans that say, you know, racism is a significant problem in this country and if you think about how donald
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trump, the most -- i don't think he has a message for re-election and certainly doesn't have a platform but to the extent he's had any consistent message on asking for our votes, it's been on white heritage. that was explicit language essentially at his tulsa, oklahoma, coronavirus convention and it really is not something that's resonating i think in a way that is important for the nation as it comes to grips with who we really are and what we aspire to be. >> and it's been previewed as his message for tonight. all right. don't go anywhere. so much more to talk about. i also want to pull in, eddie, your book and the conversations it is evoking everywhere. we'll be right back. in your feet?
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oh wow. that's quite a question. not -- i suppose almost nobody really ask themselves that question. for a that question. for a black inhabitant of this country. it is simply a very bitter joke. meaning nothing to us. >> wow! writer and activist james baldwin speaking with b the statue of liberty to ken burns and why the promise of liberty has gone unfulfilled for so many. our friend has written about james baldwin in a new book out this week called begin again. baldwin's political writing was about pushing forward even when faced with adversity and despair. he tweeted out this passage from the book today. we need to gather ourselves, for
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we are in the eye of the storm. we must find the courage to make the bold choices necessary for these after times. and we cannot shrink from our rage. it is the fire that lights the kiln. just keep talking. >> since our founding, nicole, there's been aer is penalty wrapped around the tables upon the legs of the table of which the declaration and the independence was signed. and that served every generation. it threatened to swallow the whole thing completely. what this represents for me is this honest reckoning with the contribution at the heart of the country. and he says without any hint of hyperbole or sentimentiality, that the problem isn't us. the problem isn't black people. we shm believe what the world has been telling us. that our neighborhoods are full of pathology. the way we raise our kids is
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what the problem is. that we don't have the capacity to imagine ourselves difficultly. we don't have the intellectual acumen to be officials. what's at the heart of it, this insidious belief that because you're white, you are more valuable than others. and that this has everything to do with this invasion of a lie that rests at the heart of the country. we have to tell ourselves this lie. that to justify slavery, we have to say these people are not human beings and he says that lie is the source of our present trouble. the source of every generation. where we've tried to in some ways tinker around the edges but not get at the heart of the matter. i never thought we would elect donald trump. i literally overestimated. i should not have done so. jimmy said we vote to buy ourselves time at times and
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here, we vomited this guy up and we're experiencing this back lash. this betrayal. and i was in such despair and disillusionment that i wanted to find resources. how do i push this damn boulder up again and what are the resources to fight for democracy yet again? so i decided to write this book. it comes from the line, the title comes from his last novel, just above my head. he says responsibility is not lost. it's abdicated. and if one refuses abdication, then one begins again. that's what we have to do. >> i'm speechless. does begin again mean we all see the world, we're all parents, we talk with our kids as we struggle with this moment? does it mean someone like you runs for office? does it mean we have more honest conversations?
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what does it mean? it means that we must be transformational. that we must come together across all of on communities, all our back grounds and say, it's not working. it's not working. it's broken because it is working the way it is designed to work on a hierarchy causing far too much pain for far too many people. that has been laid bare through coronavirus but also been laid bare, how racialized it is. one of the things that james baldwin said is that the reason people think it is important to be white is that they think i think important not to be black. and this is a moment in which, and it's not the first moment, black lives matter has been organizing for years now. but really asserting, it's not just that there's nothing wrong with being black. it actually matters.
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and it should not be threatening to anyone of any other race because it's about embracing that this is a country we all need to be in. these are communities we all deserve to be in. and that means we have to be able to say we matter. and the hardest thing for this country to say is that black people matter. and what donald trump has done is organized himself and his politics around the notion that it is better to be white. that that is a heritage we have to hold on to. that's the same thing as saying, we won't be bold. we won't be transformational. what we need are leaders who are willing to not just support the reimaging of all our people about to you support bold transformation and refuse to do deal making and tinkering and lean directly into a bottom up
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approach that says, one nation, indivisible, we all matter and we're going to do this differently now. i think it is another way to look at the stakes in november. everything you've written about seems to be very much a question that will be put to the country again in november. eddie glaude, congratulations. publishing a book is a huge, huge thing and you've double it this week. maya wily, thank you for being part of this conversation and thank you both for being with us on a holiday friday. the book, begin again. if book stores are open, i'm sure it's there, too. our coverage continues with ari melber. happy fourth weekend. melber happy fourth weekend
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welcome to "the beat." we have a very special show for you right now including a report we've been working on and a very special guest to discuss it. i'll explain more about that later on. first right now, our top story is of course the surge in coronavirus across the nation, putting heat on the president and of course, americans, as
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