carolina with varying degrees of social distancing depending on where you are on the shoreline. president trump continues to downplay this crisis and to make some indefensible claims. this morning, the head of the fda could not defend one claim in particular. >> i just have to ask you flatly, to that end, to protect americans, is the president wrong? >> so i'm not going to get into who's right and who's wrong. >> you won't say whether 99% of coronavirus cases are, quote, completely harmless is true or false with what the president said at the white house last night? >> dana, what i'll say is that we have data in the white house task force, those data show us things is a serious problem. people need to take it seriously. >> this pandemic has killed more than 130,000 americans, but the president's main message this weekend has not been about that. he has had a lot to say about

america's history and heritage including its statutes. two speeches this weekend condemned protesters and laid out culture war to rewrite history. it sets up an even starker contrast with his democratic opponent joe biden. we'll have more on that in just a minute. , but we begin in florida with more than 10,000 new cases state health officials today are confirming more than 200,000 people have tested positive for covid-19. as of friday, one in every five tests in the miami-dade county area are coming back positive. one in five. nbc's sam brock is on the ground in miami with the latest. >> joshua, good to be with you. we have been shattering records here in florida. 11,400 new confirmed cases, another 10,000 again today. south carolina just broke its record, 1,800 cases on saturday, what we saw today alone in

florida is more than five times that. another way, it took almost four months to get to 100,000 cases in florida from march through june 22nd. it took less than two weeks from june 22nd until today to get another 100,000 up to 200,000. that is staggering. what we're seeing right now closures obviously the beach behind me in miami dade county, shuttered, true of four counties in south florida, as officials are hoping to try to avoid another spike after what we saw after the memorial holiday. down the street at the miami beach convention center, we have video today. the line was so long, that we drove for two minutes shooting video. that was not enough time to capture it all. 2% tested in the last to weeks have tested positive for covid-19. given that high number, we

talked to folks. hospitals are starting to buckle under the pressure. jackson health is the largest provider in miami, seen more than 40% increase in the last week. i was talking to the president of the medical staff right auto there, he said if you need an icu bed in miami dade they have to make special arrangements. they can't just bring in a bed. that's the extent the resources have been strained. if the numbers continue to surge, we could see a situation similar to what happened in new york. back in april. very scary to think about. the latest from miami beach. back to you. >> much appreciated. that's sam brock for us in miami. very unusual to see lincoln road that packed for that reason at least as opposed to a busy day on the beach. we're following a developing story in south carolina.

police are investigating a shooting at a crowded night club that appears to have been violating coronavirus restrictions. the attack left two people dead and eight injured. it happened at lavish lounge in greenville, hosting hundreds of people for a convert. south carolina's governor henry mcmaster issued a coronavirus executive order restricting large gatherings at places like night clubs. no word so far of any arrests. new jersey's governor phil murphy sees the signs of a rise in covid cases. here's what he told andrea mitchell on "meet the press". >> we're starting to see a small spike in reinfection from folks coming back from places like myrtle beach as well as in florida, other hot spots. to me it says we need a national strategy. we're only as strong as our weakest link right now. i said we went through hell. we conditioannot afford to go t hell again. masking has to be at the core of

that. >> new jersey is reopening some businesses. theme parks and casinos are back in business this holiday weekend. those include six flags great adventure in jackson, new jersey. that is where we find gary joining us live. what kinds of rules are in place to protect visitors and are they adhering to them? if it's anything like other theme parks there are rules in place and they're not optional. >> that's right, josh. it's the same of the game here is masks and hand sanitizer and both of that here at six flags in jackson, new jersey. the precautions start before you enter the gate. you cannot buy a ticket at the door, you must do it online so they can space out the number of people that come through the day and a temperature scanner that comes when you walk in so you can get your temperature scanned and go through a contact list check. you must wear a mask. there's folks walking around making sure you're wearing a mask and if not asking you politely to wear one. six flags masks for sale at the

door of course. i talked to one family about those precautions and what they think about them. here's what they had to say. >> a lot of people, you know, are doing the social distancing. we feel safe here. not too many people on rides. they're spacing folks out. order you food online. you don't have to be in the crowd. it's very sparse here. it's just a great time. the weather is perfect. good day. >> it feels so nice to be back at six flags. my favorite ride has to be the joker. >> reporter: while her favorite ride is the joker there's no joking around about why this is happening, this is happening because of the decrease across the state of new jersey allowed new jersey governor phil murphy to open things like aquariums and museums and parks. these small businesses need the businesses, it's their livelihood for the summer and they're hoping they can continue. >> gary at six flags great adventure in jackson, new jersey, one of many theme parks

that seems to be following the same set of standards across the country. thanks very much. president trump said that 99% of coronavirus cases in the u.s. are in his words totally harmless 99%. he made that claim during the white house independence day celebration. this morning the head of the food and drug administration, dr. steven hawn, declined to back the president up on that. what i'm going to say is what i said before, it's a serious problem we have. we've seen this surge in cases. we must do something to stem the tide. >> let's get to monica who joins us from the white house. this is not the first time we've seen a divide between what the president says and what doctors say, including doctors in the administration. any reaction from the white house? >> no, joshua. it's notable that is who they put out to take the questions on the coronavirus today on the

sunday morning talk shows. it's something we have seen before, while the head of the fda can't necessarily contradict the president, i think what he's not saying is just as important as what he is. he isn't backing up that claim but that might be dangerous as health expert says you need to call out what claim was for what it is, which is to be completely inaccurate. i want to play for you exactly what the president said last night and we'll talk about it on the other side. take a listen. >> there were no tests for a new virus, but now we have tested almost 40 million people. by so doing, we showcases, 99% of which are totally harmless. >> reporter: you see there, the president was appearing to read off of a teleprompter so if that was in his scripted remarks, that is quite notable as well, joshua. you have dr. stephen hahn unable to say that's not true and he

didn't want to get into who is right and wrong about that. his big takeaway was that these cases are surging and americans need to take it seriously. implicit in that is the assertion that americans shouldn't believe the president when he says 99% of these cases are harmless, that people still need to be paying attention, wearing masks and socially distancing. drmts hahn was pressed on something the president mentioned the possibility of the vaccine well before the end of the year. again, dr. hahn couldn't commit to a timeline. it showcases the tough spot the members of the task force are put into when met with the president's own words and have to come out and contradict them. we've seen dr. fauci and dr. birx do that a number of times. >> we'll talk about the possibility of a vaccine later in the hour. thank you. that's monica alba at the white house. that 99% comment was just one notable quote from yesterday's white house event. in his speech president trump also made american history a key

subject, including the statutes of confederates, which some protesters are tearing down. mr. trump did not mention the confederacy or its leaders specifically. he did speak about protecting america's heritage from radicals who seek to rewrite history. that message may be at odds with members of his own party. according to the "washington post" the president's racially charged rhetoric has made it harder for some republicans to rally behind him. the gop has never broken its support from mr. trump but lately republican lawmakers are increasingly on what the post calls risky political terrain. joe biden tha jonathan capehart joins us to discuss it. good to have you. i wonder if we can get your reaction to one more part of the president's speech last night getting quite a bit of attention. listen. >> american heroes defeated the nazis, dethroned the fascist,

toppled the communist, saved american values, upheld american principles and chased down the terrorists to the very ends of the earth. we are now in the process of defeating the radical left, anarchists, the lootest and people who in many instances have absolutely no clue what they are doing. >> jonathan, that's a pretty wild comparison to make, saying we beat the nazis and the terrorists and now we can beat the radical left. it was a really startling comparison when he said that last night. how is this approach affecting republicans who are running for office or re-election this year? >> it should affect them in a negative way in that they should feel very uncomfortable having to run with a standard bearer

who is out there with a very far right, openly racist, and xenophobic message and mantra for his own re-election. to lump black lives matter protesters with nazis is outrageous. it belittles the millions of americans who have taken to the streets not just in cities, but in small towns in every pocket of this country, not just urban centers or places where african-americans live, but americans of conscience who watched a man die over the course of eight minutes and 46 seconds, what the president said was an insult to them and their activism. i watched both the president's speech at mount rushmore and the speech last night on the south lawn of the white house and it reminds me of exactly what he did in the run up to the 2018

midterm elections when he pretty much decided to throw away house republicans and give up on trying to maintain the majority in the house and focusing in on those senate republicans who were running in quote/unquote red states and, you know, to a certain extent his gam bl bit worked. not only did the republicans maintain their control of the senate they gained two seats. that's what i see the president is doing here. it is a few tiutile message, bun you are playing for the electoral college as we saw in 2016, maybe it could work in 2020. what we're seeing, joshua, the president only has one gear. that gear is division. >> i wanted to ask you whether or not it would work going forward. he has been saying what he describes as agitators,

agitation is just as american as apple pie. that is what the declaration of independence was, it was an act of agitation against king george iii. let's set that aside. in terms of the future of 2020, is seems like the idea is it worked in 2016, it could work again. the polls don't look good for the president but november 3rd is a long way off. >> right. november 3rd is a long way off and the number one lesson i learned in 2016 is that, you know, polls are fleeting and the only poll that matters are the results that come out from the voting booth and election day and i think a lot of people were surprised by some of the results that came out in 2016 and so no one should take 2020 for granted. the president certainly isn't taking 2020 for granted, despite his own numbers right now. when people get into the privacy of the voting booth that's when they will make their voices heard. but i take great solace in the fact that people of great

conscience across the country have taken to the streets to say that what they've seen with their own eyes, what they're hearing from the president of the united states, is acceptable. whether that kind of activism and enthusiasm and passion can last until november remains to be seen. >> jonathan capehart of the washington "post" always good talking to you. >> thanks. >> much more to come on msnbc. president trump faces questions over reports that russia put bounties on the heads of american soldiers in afghanistan. he says he knew nothing about that. and the administration is downplaying the intel. what should america do to protect our service members overseas? pennsylvania congresswoman chrissy houlahan is an air force veteran and we'll discuss it with her next. teran and we'll dt with her next.

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afghan militants bounties to kill american service members. the president called that story a hoax and says he never received intelligence to that effect. today on "meet the press" former national security adviser susan rice said mr. trump's response is very problematic. >> i don't buy the story that he was never briefed. it's in fact that president is surrounded by such cowards and incompetence, even when trying to invite putin in the g7 nobody has the guts to say to the president of the united states mr. president, we still, i want to remind you, have credible intelligence that the russians are trying to kill u.s. servicemen and women in afghanistan. this is not the time to hand putin an olive branch. this is the time to work up options to punish him. >> according to the "times" the administration is sewing doubt on intel on russia's bounty and released a memo depicting that

information as questionable to justify not acting on it. joining us now to discuss it chrissy houlahan, a democratic congresswoman from pennsylvania her district includes the suburbs west of philadelphia and wilmington and a member of the house armed services and foreign affairs committee. welcome. >> thank you. thank you very much for having me. >> as a member of the house and also as an air force veteran, what was your reaction to these reports? >> of course it's very alarming. i'm a veteran. my dad and grandfather were vets as well serving during the cold war. all three of us actually. the first thing the commander in chief has as a responsibility is the protection and safety of our troops. we serve voluntarily all of us, but we know that our commander in chief has our back first and foremost and it's incredibly alarming to hear that there's a possibility even that this president doesn't have that intention in mind. >> is there anything you want democrats to do about this particularly on the armed services committee?

i'm particularly interested, congresswoman, in what might be done regardless of what the president may or may not choose to do. >> so really importantly, we should not politicize intelligence or national service and security. we should let that -- leave that beside at the water's edge. that's how i was educated and served in the armed services and foreign affairs committee as well. there is an opportunity to rebuke russia and rebuke this behavior on the part of the president. we absolutely have seen actions we can do with the congress if this administration chooses not to do those things. some of those involve things we've already done. i've participated in a letter written by ted liu a fellow veteran before he became a congressman and i've participated in a letter written by the democratic side insisting that we have hearings and call secretary pompeo to be able to see us and testify before us.

this week unrelated we will also on the armed services have secretary esper as well as general milley who were scheduled to testify before us before on other issues and inevitably i'm certain that conversation will turn to this and what kind of actions, sanctions or otherwise we might, bipartisanly, be able to take and act on. >> it will be interesting to hear what secretary esper, secretary of defense, and mark milley, chairman of the joint chiefs of staff will have to say about that. before i let you go, what do you want the administration to do? we've heard ideas like sanctions, rescinding the information for vladimir putin to attend the g7 summit in september? both might fit his desire to have more influence in the west. if you had your way how would the white house respond to this? >> both of those are very good ideas. i think recognizing as i mentioned a bipartisan rebuke of russia. russia is not our friend. they have not been our friend in

all of my adult life and childhood. we need to make sure that we're aware of that. i think there are other things we need to be thinking of, which is the security of our elections. part of where we came into this with the election of president trump with some uncertainty about what the influence of russia has been on our elections and the security and sanctity of our elections. i would like to see our congress be thinking about that as well as our administration thinking about that too. there's nothing more important than the sanctity of the nation and our vote, nothing more important than protecting our soldiers and sailors. >> congresswoman chrissy houlahan of pennsylvania i'm sure you'll have plenty questions this week. thank you for taking time for us today. >> thank you. coming up cases of covid-19 are up sharply in north carolina after democratic governor roy cooper issued a masked mandate. how is that playing out in deep red areas of the state? plus, president trump continues to maintain that a coronavirus vaccine will be ready in his words long before the end of the

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it is perhaps the most needlessly politicized thing in the country right now. face masks. some say wearing one infringes on their liberty, others say it's necessary and considerate to fight covid-19. multiple states have some form of mask mandate. the most recent editions are c north carolina and texas. north carolina has 72,000 confirmed cases of the virus and recorded its largest single day increase on friday with more than 2,000 new cases. it is among the top ten states reporting the largest number of new cases this weekend. nbc's jordan jackson joins us from mount airy, north carolina. how are residents responding to this order to wear a mask? >> yeah, joshua.

here in north carolina mask have been mandatory for residents in public spaces for just a little over a week now, but there's a among some residents causing headaches for some small businesses and large chains like walmart behind me. a store spokesman said they are doing everything in their power to comply with the state mandate. they have signs at the entrances, employees encouraging people to wear masks, reminding them of the reason to do so. in this town and state it is an honor system and at the end of the day it is up to the individual to comply and to wear that mask into the store. now, i spoke to lots of customers this morning coming in and out of the store, some were wearing face masks, some refused to wear face masks, really both -- really people on both sides of this debate. take a listen to what some told me. >> you should have the option. if you want to wear a mask you can wear a mask. if you don't want to wear a mask

you shouldn't have to. it's a free country, everyone has the right to do as they please. >> if i'm going to be in huge, large groups of people, yeah, i might. just going to the store as long as i'm washing myself and staying to myself i'm fine. >> i laugh. you see signs that say no shoes, no shirt, no service, that doesn't upset us. but the mask has become a big thing and i think part of it is fear about what's going on, about jobs, about our schools, about our kids going to school. we're in tough times and people are looking at different ways to express their frustration. >> reporter: now many customers i spoke to who were against that mask mandate said that wearing a mask should be an individual decision and not one that is regulated by the government and, you know, as you can see here, this has become a political issue that is further dividing communities like this one. joshua? >> i'm taken by what the last woman said about it being a way to express their frustration.

that's a subject for another day, but that started wheels turning for me. thanks for including that. jordan jackson joinings us from mount airy, north carolina. in his fourth of july speech the president made more claims about coronavirus in an effort to downplay its severity. many health officials including some in his administration have said the claims are not true. >> now we have tested almost 40 million people. by so doing we show cases, 99% of which are totally harmless and will likely have a therapeutic and/or vaccine solution long before the end of the year. >> joining us now is dr. patel, an msnbc medical contributor, a physician, a fellow at the brookings institution and former obama white house policy director. we dealt with the 99% comment.

let's talk about the comment about vaccines. how likely do you think it is that a vaccine will be ready to deploy by the end of the year? we've heard dr. anthony fauci say it won't be until the end of this year or maybe next year. what do you think? >> yeah. that's absolutely correct, joshua. let's just put a little bit of background to this. there's over 170 developers racing to find multiple ways to administer or give a vaccine for coronavirus. put your kind of brain around the fact that we've got people all around the world trying to do this. however, doing such a process is not short. get to it before the end of the year involves going through three phases of trials. we only have a handful of companies, about three companies, in phase two with two of those ready to start phase three as of july. that means that we still will be in clinical trials at least for

the next several months and then after clinical trials getting the vaccine produced for an entire world is not be a overnight feat. the rollout is very unlikely to happen in a safe and kind of controlled setting until the early part of 2021. really, this comes down to a balance of speed and safety. you don't want to go slow. we need something fast. but if you go too fast and overlook regulatory safety, the safety of people, especially vulnerable populations, then we could be doing unintentional harm and we have examples of this in the past. >> fda commissioner stephen hahn was on cnn and didn't defend either of the president's comments we played but here's what he had to say about a vaccine. >> i can't speculate when a vaccine would be available although i think amazing work has been done by the national institute of health and others

in terms of development. >> what is the divide between the president and other top officials say to you? >> well, i think the top officials who are close to this process, regulatory science, research, public health, they're looking at this on an hour-to-hour basis and they're closer to the reality. i hate to do this, but it's just another kind of political ploy by a president who seems desperate to do anything to deflect from the reality, the deaths, the cases, the need for more testing. the comment that we're doing enough testing is far from the truth. i do listen to the scientists. the scientists, dr. hahn, dr. fauci, dr. redfield, they have been the ones that i would put more stock into their opinions, yes. >> going forward -- going forward, dr. patel, i would love to have you back to talk more about the live with it strategy, but that's another conversation for another day. dr. patel, appreciate your time.

thank you very much. still to come on msnbc, two candidates, two messages, a tale of two americas. the dueling messages of president trump and joe biden on this july 4th weekend just head. stay close. close ♪we're taking everything we wanted♪ ♪we can do it ♪all strength, no sweat

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kraft. for the win win. kanye west says he's running for president this year. the rapper said it before at the 2015 mtv video music awards. last night he tweeted, quote, we must now realize the promise of america by trusting god, unifying our vision, and building our future. i am running for president of the united states. #2020 vision. unquote. worth noting that the filing deadlines for independent candidates have passed or soon will in many states. it's unclear if kanye has a campaign committee or filed with the federal election commission and previously said he will run for president in the year 2024. as for the two main candidates donald trump and joe

biden have struck vastly different tones on lots of things, including black lives matter. >> our nation is witnessing a merciless campaign to wipe out our history, defame our heros, erase our values and indoctrine nate our children. >> it's been a constant push and pull between two parts of our character, the idea all men and women and people are created equal and the racism that has torn us apart. >> angry mobs are trying to tear down statutes of our founders, deface our sacred memorials, and unleash a wave of violent crime if our cities. >> we have a chance now to give the marginalized and demonized and oppresses a full share of the american dream. >> make no mistake, this left wing cultural revolution is designed to overthrow the american revolution. >> we have a chance to rip the

roots of systemic racism out of this country. we have a chance it live up to the words that have founded this nation. >> we will not allow our country and all of its values, history and culture, to be taken from them. >> this independence day, let's not just celebrate the words, let's celebrate the promise. >> against every law of society and nature, our children are taught in schools to hate their own country. >> joining us now to discuss it is susan dell per see yo, msnbc political analyst and republican strategist, and don callaway, a democratic strategist and ceo of pine street strategies. susan, first of all i'm glad you're in the building. it is nice to be with another human being here at 30 rock. that is lovely. >> with good audio. >> much better audio, lighting is perfect. susan what do you think about the two messages? how will they resonate with

voters? >> to donald trump that's what they like to hear and make happy. it's called a base because you're supposed to grow from the base. that's where you start and continue to gain support. donald trump has not done that since day one of his presidency. this is not the message americans want to hear now. there's a reason why we see these poll numbers the way we do and i know national polls are not the indication that we like them to be. it's all about the state polls. but nationally, the country is crying out for stability and decency and that's what joe biden was offering versus donald trump's evil and divisive message. >> i hear you in terms of the polling. the polling shows joe biden with strong leads. state polls are probably what we should pay the most attention to. don, joe biden dropped a new campaign ad today promoting middle-class values that his parents taught him.

here's a clip. >> yes. >> to heal this kind of suffering doesn't take brute force, it takes empathy and understanding, a belief in dignity, resilience, and the american dream. that's what joe biden's family taught him all those years ago and it's why he will fight as hard for your family as he does for his own. >> don, on the one hand this is consistent with the joe biden we've known for decades. on the other hand, having seen this ad for the first time, it kind of feels like every political ad i've ever seen working class, middle class values, i will fight for you, i mean is this going to resonate with voters in a way that will put joe biden over the finish line or does he need something else? >> well, it will resonate because at this point given what we're seeing out of the national mood based upon that national polling joe biden has to keep his foot on the gas. this is not the time to --

thinking about my answer based on susan's comments before i saw that commercial and i think that biden's commercial shows us what historically and traditionally a conventional campaign is supposed to do. he knows he has the left and he's supposed to be inching toward the center and building on that base going a little bit right ward and that's what you see with this campaign ad. the trump campaign is doing the opposite. they have started with that base of the pretty much what hillary clinton called the deplorables at 30 to 35% of the alt-right and divisive focus that hate speech speaks to and not trying to build on that. not trying to build that base tells me he knows he can't really add based upon the american sentiment right now so what he very well may try to do is impropriety, cheat to win this thing. it is all together in the picture if you consider the things he's already tweeted about how there will be massive and widespread fraud. we know that's false. about how he's not already funded the united states postal

service when we're going to have to rely heavily on mail-in votes. i don't see any campaign strategy other than cheating that can be the product of not trying to build a base in this time. >> since you brought up mail-in votes, susan, president trump has been casting doubt on the validity of the electoral process and tweeted this. quote, absentee ballots are fine. a person has to go through a process to get and use them. mail-in voting on the other hand will lead to the most corrupt election in usa history. bad things happen with mail-in. look at special election in paterson, new jersey. 19% of ballots a fraud. unquote. >> all right. >> so two things, first of all, absentee ballots are mail-in ballots so his argument is unsound to say the least, doesn't make sense, second, colorado had a record-breaking primary last week using mail-in ballots. we spoke to secretary of state this morning, here's part of what she said. >> he has clearly told us he

thinks mail ballots will allow democrats to win more elections than republicans. but that's just factually incorrect. study after study shows that mailed ballots doesn't benefit one party over the other and colorado's elections where so many republicans cast a mail ballot, more than democrats, should serve as proof mail ballots help voters, not political parties. >> susan, before we move on, should we ignore this? is this just a shiny object that is distracting from more important things, this mail-in voting thing? >> it is. i've been in this business 30 years. every campaign every year i work on an absentee mail campaign. it's what we do to get our voters at. it's what donald trump's campaign has been invested in to get this voters out. this is ridiculous and donald trump once again is showing off his ignorance. >> don, this a shiny object?

>> it's terrible. he voted by mail. ivanka and jared, and candy voted by mail. he knows mail-in voting is not fraudulent. he's trying to sow the seed of discord when he loses to talk about why it wasn't legitimate. >> if you vote by mail and share concerns you can drop off your mail-in ballot at at the supervisor of elections office if you are concerned. you do not have to drop it in a mailbox. susan and don, we appreciate you being with us. thanks very much. >> thank you. up next, tomorrow is a big day for the supreme court. some big decisions could come down including whether congress gets to see the president's financial record. npr joins us for a preview, next.

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at home. the stwrerea supreme court down a controversial abortion law in louisiana that could have closed all but one of the state's clinics. and conservative justice john roberts voted with the majority. but on monday, the court will finish its term with decisions covering everything from birth control under obamacare to religious rights to president trump's financial records. joining us for a preview is nina totenberg. welcome. >> thank you very much. great to see you, joshua. >> good to see you too.

we'll be watching these cases tomorrow and we'll unpack them in more detail. but are there any one of these cases in particular where the oral argument gives us some sclus as to how the justices might rule? >> first let me say that i don't think that we'll get them all tomorrow and i don't think that the court will conclude tomorrow. maybe by the end of the week. they have eight cases to decide to get all the opinions out between now and whenever they end the term. and we never know when that is or what we're getting on any particular day. but reading too much into an oral argument is a mistake. as we learned in the daca case where an oral argument looked like it was five votes to uphold president trump's desire to get

rid of daca right away and instead the chief justice wrote the court's opinion saying you did not dot your is and cross your ts, you didn't do everything you are supposed to to make sure these things are done appropriately and so therefore it stands as is. >> so the supreme court agreed that it would hear arguments regarding the mueller report and russia investigation in the fall postponing their decision on this case and other controversial cases until after the election. what do you make of that postponement? it feels like the kind of thing that the court does to keep above the political fwray. some of these e to it? may fall into that category. but the mueller report, that is a complicated issue. and the court probably felt that it is pretty exhausted at this point. it has been an explosive term. and it should hear arguments in the case decided a deliberative

way. and that is what they decided to do. >> i hear you in terms of not reading too much into oral arguments. i also find myself trying not to read too much into who appointed which justice. john roberts turn the ined into unexpected swing vote. how do you see it? >> i'm thinking very much that he doesn't think that the court should just flip depending on who appointed you. and i think that accounts for his decision in the abortion case certainly where he said i didn't agree with this decision four years ago, but it is the decision that this court handed down and the pro-choice groups, the state of la what came to us with an identical case, identical law, and it would be endorsing a kind of defiance of the idea of adhering to pretty

department if we said that was just fine. but in his opinion, he left plenty of roomrettydepartment it was just fine. but in his opinion, he left plenty of room to chip away at rowe versus wade for years to come a come. >> oond what and which case are watching the most closely? >> the trump case of course. testing whether a grand jury and congress can subpoena documents prepared by his banks and hit accounting firms to learn more about what he has been involved in. and congress, to determine whether there are money laundering changes in the law necessary or ethics law changes. and in the case involving new york involving a grand jury, to see whether trump or anybody else was involved in activities that are a violation of state

laws. >> and nina totenberg, good to see you. be well. and thank you all to making time for us. i will see you back here at 6:00 eastern. i'm joshua johnson and the news continues with a lease i can't make len dez. l strength, no swe♪ ing you doing okay?

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it is sunday, july 5. president trump fresh off his second of two teaspeeches this holiday week end. last night followed a similar address friday at mt. rushmore. in both the president doubled down on divisive cultural wars rhetoric in what appears to be a mounting theme leading up to the election. >> we're in the process of defeating the radical left, the marxi marxists, the average at a time to ag at a time tors and many who have no sclu what they are doing. and if it seems like the president's divide and conquer strategy reeks desperation, look no further than a slew of bombs out th poll us on t