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it is sunday, july 5. president trump fresh off his second of two teaspeeches this holiday week end. last night followed a similar address friday at mt. rushmore. in both the president doubled down on divisive cultural wars rhetoric in what appears to be a mounting theme leading up to the election. >> we're in the process of defeating the radical left, the marxi marxists, the average at a time to ag at a time tors and many who have no sclu what they are doing. and if it seems like the president's divide and conquer strategy reeks desperation, look no further than a slew of bombs out th poll us on the this week. poll us on the this week
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monica is joining me. and the president really doubling down this weekend on the law and order theme. what are you hearing about that choice from inside the white house? >> reporter: absolutely divisive and on purpose from this campaign that has been hamstrung by the pandemic, not able to hold those rallies. the president had one in tulsa. we're just learning though that the campaign is announcing their next event which is next saturday in portsmouth, new hampshire outdoors. that comes after tulsa where many tested positive after the indoor event. so this is a new straeblg ew ste president gave those back to back speeches that were technically white house events. but the kecontent was so politil and the president is going back to some of his 2016 days.
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we're seeing the dark and sort of retreating. but the president is calling out americans against their own fellow americans refshierring t the radical left and the mob when they are trying to figure out which attacks might land most effectively. so far they haven't had the same success that they had in 2016 in terms of trying to paint her in a certain way. they tried different things with jbl th joe biden that haven't landed. and privately, they are not sure how to tweak that going forward. but as you see, the president is defiant trying to get back on the campaign trail again after the by all accounts debacle in tulsa where they couldn't fill the stadium, there were so many concerns about coronavirus. this seems to be a course correction announcing an outdoor rally that will take place in a
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state that doesn't have as many cases as others and also it will be at the airport which is notable because then the president didn't have to go intoen event site, it is outdoors and again they are encouraging attendees now strongly to wear face masks. that is new language that we've seen in the last few days from the administration and now from the campaign as well. >> monica, thank you. for more on the dueling election strategies, i'm joined by nicholas wu, eliza collins, and kenya eblin. and you heard about the fact that now you have the re-election campaign doing an outdoor event, really encouraging people to wear masks. is that takes scet admission th some of the events that we've seen were not well advised? >> absolutely not.
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we won't see that come from the white house themselves or the trump administration. but what we are seeing is a pivot of previous rhetoric making masks a political issue. but as far as the course of the trump administration to make a bombastic claim, for the president to dig into that claim, to attack the evidence that refutes that claim and then to deny ever making that claim in the first place. so do i expect the white house to make any type of acknowledgement that this is a pivot and going completely against what we've seen the president in his own tweets and his own press conferences previously? i highly doubt that. >> nicholas, the deviadvice differendevigs receive and dark language is not new. a lot of speeches had the same rhetoric. and yet what feels a little different is when you look at the polling, the president is simply on the wrong side of the american electorate both when it
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comes handle going of the pandemic and the protests we're seeing in favor of ray shcial equality. what is the thinking inside of the trump re-election campaign, why are they doubling down on this language, who is it meant to persuade? >> i think what we're seeing here is what really is a base first strategy coming from the trump administration. as we've seen, polling shows that the vast majority of americans do support the "black lives matter" movement and the removal of statues of confederate leaders. even deep red mississippi opted tofederate flag. so we're seeing a pivot trying to energize the trump base. but whether they can sway any independents remains to be seen. >> right. much more of a mobilization
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strategy. of course on the other side of the equation, you have joe biden's campaign dwlifrpieliver very different message in a he is think piece. he said independence day is a celebration of our persistent march toward greater justice.th. he said independence day is a celebration of our persistent march toward greater justice. from all men are created equal to all people are created equal. what are you hearing from the biden campaign about how they hope to position the vice president in this moment? >> the biden campaign sees the way the president is acting as a gift. joe biden has run on a message of unity, of sort of returning to normalcy. he has run on that all along. he made it through the primary on that messaging. and now he is able to just keep saying, you know, no, we should get rid of some of the confederate statues. we have progress to make. and joe biden's aides really see it as a gift and the more the president digs in his heels and makes this an issue, they feel
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like it is helping joe biden and they also see it happening down ballot. the senate is now up for grabs. some traditionally red states are now toss-ups because those republican senators are having to answer their tie to the president. so democrats are feeling really good about the white house's strategy. >> i want you to take a listen to what governor phil murphy of new jersey told my colleague andrea mitchell earlier today on "meet the press." >> we're starting to see a small spike in reinfection from folks coming back from places like myrtle beach and as well as in florida, other hot spots. to me it says we need a national strategy. as you mentioned, i said we went through hell. we can't afford to go through hem again. we ne hell again and masking has to be at the core of that national strategy. >> and i wonder what you make of
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governors, and it is governors across the country, when are underlining this need for a national strategy. is that call being heard inside the administration? >> i can't necessarily say so. i think we're seeing a stronger presence especially from republican governors, particularly texas and florida. and even in south carolina of their citizens wearing masks. previously opening restaurants and dialing that back and going back to just takeout only. because we're seeing -- you know, you can't ignore that the spike is dangerous and that there are communities that are disproportionately at risk and we're seeing deaths rise. and as that begins and as that continues to be the case, and as we're getting warnings of a second wave before some states are even beginning their first, the administration has a stronger responsibility and we're seeing some of that in terms of measures being taken
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with requethe next campaign and event. but i don't see more beyond that. >> nicholas, two her point about how this is playing out differently in different states, gwenn moore was on msnbc this morning. listen to what she said about trump's response. >> wisconsin slar hich iisconsi states in the south where republicans are in denial in sync owith donald trump about te veracity of this virus and of putting the health and safety of folks against the economic outcomes that trump desires. >> when you look at what is happening in wisconsin, what is happening in arizona, at what is happening in florida as it pertains to this virus and the difficulty of getting this virus under control, how much are voters in those states going to
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be holding president trump accountable in the leadup to november? >> well, it is certainly an effect we're seeing being employed. the cnbc poll from earlier this week showed that only 41% of americans approved of president trump's handling of the pandemic. it is a virus that very much affects the core part of the constituency too. namely older people who we've seen shift to joe biden so far. and so in november it is ultimately up to the voters to decide how exactly they will grade president trump's handling of the pandemic but so far it seems they are not giving it very good marks. >> and there is so much news happening at once that i want to bring back a story that we spent a lot of time on earlier this week. we had susan right on this morning and she said she doesn't buy the instory that the presidt
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was never briefed with the russian quou russian bounties. what can you make of that and whether or not it plays into the conversation going into november? >> i think your point there is so much news and people will be affected every day by coronavirus, the economy. so it is not clear if something like that will continue to break through, but that is an important story and a story that gets to a core part of the president's base. he has done really well with people in the military in the past and so something like this could really hurt him if it stays around, if people are still talking about it. so you are seeing democrats in congress are really trying to talk about it. republicans are sort of trying to push it away. so it just depends if it can break through. but i think that its h has the potential to sway voters, but right now people are just trying to get through coronavirus and
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their economic health. >> susan rice of course has been reported to be on joe biden's short list for vice president. there is reporting that says that her stock is rising, that the campaign is taking a very serious look at her. what is the case for susan rice to be joe biden's running mate? >> we see essentially her military experience, experience with national intelligence. and then with those in congress, both the republican side and among democrats. so i think that plays favorably for those who are moderates and among black women who is their strongest voting bloc at this moment. but democrats may be concerned inhe protests happening, there is an emerging urgency from the younger generation of progressives, those who may not have turned up
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for bernie sanders in the primary but aren't also energized with joe biden. so a we see some tight races, i think that we are seeing that the demonstrations will continue to energize those who feel like a more moderate slate for the democrats doesn't represent the left leaning progressive future that they see for themselves. >> thank you all. up next, a group of mayors are exploring guaranteed income for struggling americans. i'll talk to one of the first mayors to put it in place. and we've already seen serious coronavirus outbreaks in prisons. what needs to be done to keep incarcerated people and those who work in prisons safe. what do we want for dinner?
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group of local leaders are adopting an idea introduced during the democratic primary. more than a dozen mayors are launching an initiative called mayors for guaranteed income. they are proposing the government send a cash payment directly to residents every month. let's bring in the mayor of stockton, california, michael t tubbs. great to see you. you have been talking about this, you have a pilot program going on. what have you learned from that pilot program about what works and what doesn't? >> what i learned is that the american people are working very hard, but the economy has not been working for them. and that was even before the covid-19 pandemic. but we see with covid-19, we see with protests in the streets on racism that the american people are demanding that 9 lethe lead rise to the moment. in stockton, we've learned that you can trust people to make
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decisions with their money. oftentimes women are working, doing care giving, doing domestic labor. and we've learned that this moment is demanding us to have a new deal type of response given the unploiemployment rate, and e entering into a depression and the fact that we're operating with a social safety net that was created in 1935. >> i wonder if you see this and the enthusiasm behind this idea as having more to do with the fact that you now have a broad swathe of people who are living with the economic reality of this moment or if you see it being from the percentabeing th like yourself who say we have to find a more creative solution to this problem. >> i think that we know before covid-19 that one in two americans cannot afford one $400
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emergency. and we know that the economic insecurity particularly impacted communities of color harder. and we know that less than one tenth of 1% other than 90% of own 90% of wealth. and i think with covid-19 and the protests, they are about police violence, racism and violence of poverty. and so i think lawmakers are reckoning with the fact that zil citizens are demanding bold action. >> and i want to know, i mean there was a lot of enthusiasm or a lot of attention paid to universal basic income, ubi, during the democratic primary in large part because andrew yang was basing his candidacy on
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that. and they loved the idea. how do you see guaranteed income as being different than ubi? >> i think that it is a question of semantics. we call it quarantined income because we understand that policies that to be based in. so i'd getting to every american would be a goal. but a certain subset are really struggling and there are bills in the house in congress right now that would provide $2,000 a month, a bill co-sponsored that is for americans making $125,000 or less. this is a triage mode. so ideally we'd get to univers l universality. but i think short term guaranteed income makes a lot of sense. >> and so being in triage mode, how long do you think that this is economically feasible? how long would you want to see this going?
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what does it looks like? >> ideally it would go on in imperpetuity, but it should at least start with covid-19 and realizing that through this pandemic, and three months after which i think the senators harris and sanders bill calls for, there is a minimum that we have to. and while we've been sheltering in place, and people are being laid off, that creditors have not stopped, that mortgage and rent, et cetera, car len loans still due. and increasing food and utility costs. and dr. king talked about this 50 years ago. and in a civilized society, there is no reason to have poverty, that poverty is not an individual choice but again a policy choice. so i would argue that we use covid-19 as a first step. learn from that and briuild so that you can get to be part of the american social contract. just like social security and
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we are following breaking news, the president's campaign has announced his next rally, it will be saturday july 11th in portsmouth, new hampshire. there will be some significant changes from his last rally. in one will this one will be ou the airport. and they will supply everyone with a mask and encourage them to wear it. we'll talk to a medical expert about that in a moment, but first as the country fights and on going battle against the pandemic, nearly 40 states are
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seeing an alarming rise in cases. and reporting record numbers of new cases with surges showing no signs of slowing down. in california, cases surpassed 260,000 cases and positive tests are 51% in the past two weeks. scott cohn is joining me from santa cruise. how are california officials responding to the surge in cases there? >> reporter: this is a little bit of a patchwork and that leads to scenes like this. most of the beaches in the state closed for this holiday weekend, but not the main beach here in santa cruz which is a popular getaway destination for the san francisco bay area. this beach is open. they tried for many months to keep beaches closed here, but decided ultimately that they just did not have the resources to continue enforcing it, so a couple weeks ago they opened the beaches with no restrictions. so a little deceiving as you look behind me, people generally
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are kindingeeping a safe distan beach goers believe that they can enjoy the beach safely. >> definitely something that you are always thinking about, a mask is now pat of your checklist. >> and distance. so as longing as i have my mask, and try to keeps distance from everyone else. because you never know. maybe we'll be okay. >> reporter: the numbers though in california as a whole are getting a little frightening. we're about 250,000 cases state wide. and one of the concerns is a lot of areas have not been reporting new numbers over the weekend, so tomorrow we could see a big spike in the numbers as california which was early on in shutting down and doing well at
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thegrappling with the worst of it. and president trump has claimed that the progress made progress last night at the fourth of july celebration. >> now we have tested almost 40 million people. by so doing, we showcases 99% of which are totally harmless and will likely have a therapeutic and/or vaccine solution long before the end of the year. >> with me is an emergency physician at columbia university medical center. doctor, before we get into the president's claims, which i do want to get in to, i want to get your reaction to the news about the trump campaign's next rally where they say that they will provide masks and encourage people to wear them. is that taceted a mission th ea
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they have done to date has not been in the health's best interests? >> yes, but i'm okay with that, listening to public health officials and dois things in ae way. that's all we wanted and we've learned from the protests when we didn't see a spike in cases that you can gather safely outside with a mask on. it is a little different because they are all in the same place, but new hampshire is a very low number of cases. it is a good place to start doing something like this as an experiment. and so i would -- and i think a lot of people may be shocked -- that i think it is good that the president is going to a state with a low number of cases, outside, encouraging mask wearing. and we'll see what happens. >> it is progress in the direction in which you have beenbeen beenen encouraging him to go. you've seen the spikes across the country and where they are happening. we are looking at florida, we are looking at texas.
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to what do you attribute those spike in cases? >> honestly, all those states are a testament to how the governors didn't listen to the white house guidelines. they opened way too early. they didn't encourage mask wearing. they didn't shut things back down when they saw the sbik pik cases and now they have increased number of hospitalizations, their icus are running out of beds and they will see an increase in the number of deaths which is what happened in new york. and unless they do very, very dramatic public health measures, we're unsure how they will get back out of this. >> every conversation i have about the virus at this point seems to loop back to the question of a vaccine, when a vaccine will be available. you have the president saying that he believes that vaccine could be available before the end of the year. i wonder what you are telling your patients, what you are thinking about the realistic time line of a vaccine that is
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tested and ready to use. >> right. and it has to be tested, safe, and affordable, accessible to everybody that needs it starting with the most vulnerable people. and we're so far from having that be a really realistic fact. so what i tell people is, yes, pay attention to the data on the vaccines and, yes, be encouraged that we're making progress every day, hundreds of trials are out there looking at vaccine advancement. but we cannot wait for a vaccine or a medication to move forward to get our kids back to school, to start reliably opening up our economy. we need to use the public health measures that have worked which means masks, wash our hands, respond to the data and test everybody. we need to have robust testing. it is the only way this works. >> so much of what you just laid out, that is behaviors. individual behaviors. so we're relying on individuals
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in large part to do the right thing. is it too late in this process to get people on board or is there still time to persuade those who have not yet been persuaded that this is real, that it is not going away and that we each as an individual have a personal responsibility to do our part in. >> we could give up or we cannot give up. that eat answe that's the answer. this is a culture change and an individual choice to follow public health, but we have to keep trying. because if not, all we'll see is an exponential rise in cases, overwhelming deaths, the economy will shut down and we'll be out of luck and out of time. and that is not something i'm willing to accept yet. >> when you look at some of these cases -- some of these states where now we're seeing a spike in cases, there is a mixed bag in terms of whether or not the governors of those states are willing to roll back some of the reopening measures that we've seen. i wonder there your perch, what
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is your counsel about how legislators, how governors should be thinking about this challenge? a lot of them as you said, they reopened too soon but now here we are, they are seeing a spike in cases. where do they go from here. >> they look at the day and the numbers, the positive test rates, they look at the accessibility of testing and their icus. and it takes leadership to do the hard work. it means that they will have to close down areas of the economy that are not necessarily, you know, either worst investing in, it may mean shutting down bars, inside dining. my advice is that this is a long journey.
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as the coronavirus pandemic continues to run rampant within the u.s., hot spots are exploding within the country's prisons. according to the marshal project, hornproject more than 52,000 people in prisons have tested positive as of last week. nearly 36,000 of them have recovered while at least 616 with died. advocates have long warned that overcrowd and cramped living conditions will provide outbreaks. with me now, ceo of just leadership usa, an organization that had v advocates for the protection of incarcerated. and your team is calling for
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transformative and immediate legislation that would protect i believe incarcerated people. what are your main policy recommendations? >> as we know, covid has made it national, but we have experienced pandemics over and over again. hurricane katrina, hurricane sandy, and there was never an evacuation plan to preserve the lives of the individuals serving in correctional facilities. so louisiana had an evacuation plan for cats and dogs but not the human being. so our legislation says there should be an emergency plan within the criminal justice system that if a declared pandemic takes place, that d.o.c. must have oversight to start addressing the issues at hand. so when we started talking about social distancing, they should have been authorized to release people that are within 12 months of release.
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individuals with compromised immune system. we're continuing to see prisons be a petri dish and we have to have legislators to make decisions to protect those individuals. >> and so much about the movements we're seeing across this country have to do with centering people who are most affected by policies in the center of these conversations, in the centers of these movements. how does having formerly incarcerated people weigh in on the policies affect the way that the policies are then shaped? >> ledges lagislators don't und how the conditions inside a correction correctional facility or what you have access to. so it looks good on paper, but they don't tell you how to implement it. you don't talk about women's reproductive rights without women at the table or veterans
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without swre without veterans at the table. so you can no longer talk about criminal justice without those people at the table because you are making decisions about our lives. so we have to lead this moment. >> this is of course about the effect of the coronavirus pandemic on incarcerated people, but this also connects to the langer conversation we're having about public health. connect the dots for me between making sure that this virus does not spread in prisons and the larger communities of which these people are a part. >> so let's be honest about this. people who are in correctional facilities are the only individuals in the united states guaranteed health care. they are remanded to the custody and care of the state. and when the state fails to act in their best interests around their health care, the actual state is at fault. so when you look at the health
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system, public hechalth issue, u have people in an environment that it is impossible to social distance. hand sanitizer is a contra fwanfwanband. running water is not always feasible. and then we're seeing correctional facilities resulting to solitary confinement as a way to keep control of the environment because their staff is actually getting sick. so if you look at governors and state or elected officials failing to act on covid are not only jeopardizing the lives of individuals in correctional facilities, they are actually putting their staff at extreme risk because those individuals are essential employees. the prison doesn't close down because of covid. correctional staff continues to have to show up and when the governor says clear the state working environment, they are
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also putting state employees and their families and their communities at risk as well. >> deanna, thank you for your time. >> thank you. and wnba superstar put her career on pause to fight for a man who spent his entire adult life in prison for a crime he says he did not commit. and now as blayne alexander reports, he is finally free. >> reporter: a tearful reunion years in the making. after 23 years in a missouri state prison, jonathan is finally free embraced by his unlikely hero, mya moore. a four time wnba champion, she took a break in her prime in large time to help him who says he was wrongly convicted. we spoke last fall. >> was it hard to walk away? >> it is hard, but when your convictions are moving you to a place that you know is right and you are moving into something that is really meaningful, it
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makes it a little less hard. >> reporter: airons was arreste at age 16, given a 50 year sentence to for a nonfatal shooting. she launched a petition in his name and a foundation against criminal justice reform. in march, a judge vacated his kri conviction. the current prosecutor declined to retrial citing issues with the case. and irons' record now wiped clean. >> i'm absolutely elated and thankful. >> in that moment, i really felt like i could rest. >> reporter: last year, we met irons in prison. what would it mean to you to finally walk out? >> wow. i could finally live my life. i want to help other people. >> reporter: and now at age 40, he finally gets his chance. blayne alexander, nbc news, atlanta. up next, new jersey is entering a new phase of its
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