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celebration,çóqt( he downplayed coronavirus with no hand sanitizer, noñ million people. 99% of those&ñ with covidi]xd v are harmless. >> i have tot( ask you bluntly. is the president wrong? whoe1 is rightw3 and wrong. >> so youe1 won't say whether 9 of coronavirusi] cases are harmless is true or false, what the presidentñi said last night? >> we have data on theñi task
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it seriously. surpassing their own record. they havew3 ñr200,000 cases. people's mind. mr. trump won battleground states like florida and wisconsin ine1 2016. nowe1 voters say they are leani towards joe biden partly because of hi%áxd handling of thexd coronavirus. beach are in long lines waiting to get tested. sam is there. >> joshua, it is good to be with you. we havexd been shatteringe1 rec.
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10,000 today. south carolina just broke its record,xdfáxd 1,800 casesxd sat. ⌝#ñ we saw in florida is more it took almost four months to took lessxd thane1 two weeks fr june 22 until today to get 200. that is staggering.ñr the beach is closedq infáó[ ht(qq county, shuttered for theq holidaylp weekend. officials are hoping toe1 avoid memorial day holiday.a5 we have lines of cars waiting to get tested for covid-19. the line was so long we drove5a for two minutes trying to
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captwmd it all. that was nott( longçó enough. givene1 the astronomically highr number of psative covid ñicases we ask howq people are feeling about the surge. they have seen more than 40%xd increase in the paste1 e1week. i was talkingxd to the presiden of the hospital.xd he said ift( you need an icu fá they have to make specialt( arrangements. the concern is if these numbers continue to surge, we could see a similarxd situat$ú' to new yo. q beach. >> that'slp miami brock.
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-- sam brock.ñiw3xdt( let's bring in our panel.jfe1ñi jeff mason covers the white c_gm thenbk+(ráe housexd for politico. >> whatñh= youñrfá say about th president's unsubstantiated claim that xd99%q of cases arex harmless. >> i don'txdp, blame the p refusing@(s refute that publiclygnxd but t is a delusional statement the president f it isñi a statement without factual basis andñr i think it
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will come back to hauntok thejf president in november. >> it was alsoehptated that a vaccine would be readyfá long before the end ofxd theokxde1 y. how likelyñr does that seem to you? >> we arex::uju)r'g very fast t get a vaccine, but you have to remember that vaccine development we usually measure r(t&háhp &h the end of thexd year,fá but th not going tot(e1 stallxde1 the . we have to be prepared to face this virus without axd vaccinatn for some period ofq time. tha42p why we have to continue tha42p why we have to continue something. >> what do you make of theq rally thise1xdi] saturday?
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the campaign that seemed to have a change in heart about eíoóutionht ofsv4 1covid-19. >> they said there would8ñçó plenty of hand sanitizer available andfá masks given out and strongly encouraged. that is afá shift. that is afá shift. having been to a( events, i can tell you people aren't wearing themthhq+en if ty i was at theáxtr)st rally in tulsa andñi then at mt. rushmor. there was not aok lot of mask wearing. there is a couple tuulturalxd a political rally. we will seelp if theree1w3 is a change. >> there has beenxd plenty of tk about how the response to this virus mayñi affect the presidens
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re-election chances. how do you seexdñilp it? >> trying to win inç"hot spots that didn't shut downxd initial and then hadfá toxd shutq down implosion of cases. arizona it's pretty bad. it(jf think he is running awayq it. unless biden is ablefáçó to -- unless biden is ableh çó to -- your shot. we will try to clean that up inu a second.x; covid-19), houston. hospitals are overwhelmed.
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thee1 "houston chronicle" ise1 saying(aç they could be seeing more contagious form of coronavirus there. how shouldt( houston bee1ñr resg to this? >> thpxçó likelihood of houston åboperiencing a different strai is there and not yet proven, bu. much more concerning is the "av need to bemytaken to preventw3 thew3 public sprea andw3 it's complicatedt( by the white house. texas may be the next epicenter, theree1 or florida o epicenter, theree1 or florida o somewhere inf4 is far from over. houston is on thew3 front line i is in a very dangerous
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situation. the fact that the population that is becoming affected may od nle1 in the biglp ffected may od picture. young peopleqqw3 are gettinge1 infected and will beñr infectin vulnerable peopleñi who are inid great dane j great danger by being in contact withe1 anyñrt(?;g pandemi pandem pandemic. this is the largest hospital in the xd5acountry, maybe the worl the fact they are talking about getting overwhelmed ist(xd terrifying. reinstate some of the more
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ñuá)táhurp+e that s on the table along with mandatoryw3 maske1ójt(ár'g and physicalçó separation should ben the tableñi from texas. we are yet toxd see what they a goingq to do. qokjf 9,200 patientxd beds,ok a baby is delivered every 20 minutes. if a city with thatñr complex i overwhelmed, it must be overwhelming indeed. thr dangers of coronavirus and the risk of indoor spread. can you give us more on that based on youre1 experience? >> this has been a controversial concept since the beginning.i] when people get infected, it's
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usually in contact witht;/s som who is six feet or closer. we are not seeing airborne like with measles, where somebody leaves an elevator and somebody gets in and getsht fáinfected. it is what aero biologists are that's why peoplexdxd being sixt washing and wearing facemasks. people don'ta5d soci(s distance not because the air conditioner may not be blowing ogu you. that's añr myth. >> please correct me ifq i amó[f exist inñi theq air and eventua drop as opposed+ toxd beifgz
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airbornew3 whereñie1xdxdq you et travels further. >> we knowqñilp in bronchosopy.d >>xp] tina, i think we have you connection cleanedq up. i wanted to ask you about this group of anti-republicans trying to get the president out of the white house. is this thelp exception or migh they represent more gop voters than we realize?
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>>fá tku2 may reprñs!9q morexdç voters. several of their members have made a÷d bigfáçó display ofe1 s the party. they consider themselvese1xd ex-republicans. my understanding isi]lp the mor the more they establish get under the skin of donald trump. president saying vote foxi me again or%./ thefá statues will down.çó >> before we go, jeff, i want to get your senseeiij)q evolving
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messaging from the white lphous. you have covered thislp from th beginning. beginning. we need to%y messaging.i] what is your sense from the white house,e1i] the way the coronavirus briefings have been conducted.+ to me it seems it has shifted in the lastxdw3 few months.fái] >> it seems like briefings aret being done by thoseñi other tha thee1 president. not in a place where president trump couldt( comelpu one whoñr said he wanted those briefings to start again.i/tr(to we will see if there are more of those.
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it's not something thee1 white houseñi ignores, despite the messaging haszv changed. us. more to come.xd the white house marked independence day withñi a celebradå but our troopsq inçó afghanista have beeni] bankrolled with a bounty on their head. how should the united states respoof? next . my chair... and my phone. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪
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that russian troops paid to afghanistan troops to kill american soldiers. the administration first heard of this last year according to our estimation. >> welcome, congressman. >> thanks. >> you tweeted the following about intelligence. if i led marines into an ambush because i didn't read a report that said we would get ambushed in, i wouldn't be tweeting that it wasn't my fault, i would be in prison. is there anything to be done? >> i would like to see the
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commander in chief stop acting like a traitor to our troops and quit being more interested in protecting putin and russia than our men on the front line. there is a lot to be done because our president has been unwilling to stand up for our troops and confront russia. we have to protect our troops because the president isn't willing to do so. we have to get to the bottom of what is going on here. there were 100s of hours over ben ghazi. this is far more serious. third, we have to take action against russia ourselves because this administration is unwilling to stand up to the greatest enemy the united states ever faced. >> if i heard you right, it sounded like you said our
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president is acting like a traitor to our troops. this is a very tall allegation to level against our president. >> aiding and abetting the enemy. russia is the greatest enemy of the united states. it is the only country on earth that could wipe out every american life in 20 minutes. the president is not only unwilling to go off on them, but they are putting bounty on our troops' heads and taking no action whatsoever. >> what would you like to see done in response? >> we need to take action. congress needs to step up, get to the bottom of this and understand exactly what is going on, to try to finally understand
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why trump is so beholden to putin. the vice president, the second of state mike pompeo, they all saw this briefing and did nothing to protect our troops. that should create questions about how morally bankrupt this administration is because they are so be holding to trump. >> the latest information from the times, says intelligence wasn't there to act on it. intelligence can be a tricky thing. how solid do you believe the evidence is for the existence of
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the bounty? >> from what i have seen so far, the evidence is pretty solid. it doesn't matter. intelligence is never solid. you take action on intelligence. if i got intelligence that my marines might be ambushed, i don't say don't worry, we haven't proven it beyond a reasonable doubt. no, i would take action and make sure we take a route we don't get ambushed. the president didn't do any of this. the best thing was he didn't bother to read a report. and you have to ask what about the people around him? where were they? why did they not advise the president that the biggest enemy to the united states is putting bounties on our troops' heads. but apparently that didn't
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happen. they are falling back on the biggest excuse in the books, we weren't sure. obama didn't have a certainty that there was osama bin laden was there, but he took action. >> thanks for your time. president trump is well behind joe biden in the polls. you know how those turned out in 2016. with everything going on, the protests and virus and economy, should we believe them now? e bew kelcee was keeping chill with the scent
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pattern. right now it's not clear what the pattern might mean as the president runs for re-election. past elections have taught us time after time the old saying is true, the economy. in many polls like this week's poll, the president has a slight edge over joe biden regarding the economy. let's bring in charlie cook and appl amy. let's start with an article you wrote. you pointed to coronavirus and the president's roll of fanning the flames of the cultural roll as to his undoing. if the economy does not come roaring back, what might donald trump's path to victory look
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like? >> it would be very, very hard. the economy doesn't play the role when james carville said that back in 1992. we have seen the politics of grievance take over other than the economy. so when you had 50-year unemployment, president trump was still behind. a lot of americans aren't voting on the economy. at the same time when the economy first took its dive, the numbers didn't move much at all. i think it is like a dam that broke. holding back, holding back and all of these things that normally catch up with a politician, call it april, june, and an 8 to 14-point lead for biden. >> yesterday he gave an
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interview at the festival. let me get your reaction. >> our growing economic inequity to deal with the denial of our nation for so long. as president i will fight every day to lead these changes and listen. >> he knows he needs the vote of the black community. that's what turned the tide for him in south carolina and made him the no, me. -- nominee. how do you assess his ability to make good on this promise? >> he has been a champion in this arena for a long time. he has been on the side of restrictive policies, like the crime bill the president is going to use to try to press african-american turnout for joe
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biden. as the congressman of south carolina said when he endorsed him -- time in that community and that's why jim said we know joe and he knows us. that's why it led to so much support that as you said, swung the whole primary campaign his way to become the nominee. what joe biden is doing is trying to persuade and mobilize. while the president is trying to refine more of his own. joe biden is trying to do both. he is trying to walk the center on issues like toppling down statues in protest because he is
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trying to win back voters that were president obama supporters and then went to president trump. if he can chip away at senior voters and independent voters, he can get the polls. >> the polls show joe biden with the lead. i remember con sosoling my frie in san francisco why president trump had a chance to win all along. i assume the polling has evolved, but how wary do we need to be? >> national polls, they are off .9 of 1%. they had an average of 3 point
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lead for hill ri clinton and she lost by 2.9. 45 states went exactly the way we thought they would. florida and north carolina were too close to call, three were wrong. that's where the pollsters were looking. but when you are looking at an 8 to 14-point lead, anything that biden has over, say, four points, if he is only ahead by 2 1/2 points, that's where democrats ought to be nervous.
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we are looking at 8 to 14-point lead. and he is behind in every battleground state except south carolina. >> some voters say they will not put a mask on to vote. my fellow floridians seem to not mind about masks. >> we have a serious problem in every state in this country during a pandemic. poll workers over 65 are in danger doing this kind of work. it is very, very tough. mechanical problem for joe
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biden, outside the margin of error in every single poll they are consistent. there is a lot of absentee voting in florida and that helps the president. republicans ballots are more absentee in florida. trump is the mechanics of who is going to get to the polls, whose will be counted on election night and how long will we know afterwards. that's a conversation the campaign needs to have with the voters. >> and it happens to be from my home county, palm boeseach coun florida. i have dealt with this since 2000.
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this would normally be the height of a busy travel season, but this year small tourist towns are being hit hard. mackinaw island, how this island is trying to stay afloat. >> for more than a century, the beauty of mackinaw island, michigan has been a draw for tourists all over the world. when covid hit the u.s., the mayor knew they had to take extreme measures to save the busy summer season.
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>> our tax dollars depend on tourism. >> visitors are this area's lifeblood. here, it helps out with library, public health center and even the school. >> if we don't have a healthy society, the economy isn't good. >> referee: they are still spending on new safety features, measures designed to give tourists peace of mind. for this third generation business, it's doing everything right. >> my fear is failure. >> reporter: even the horse and carriage trade has had a
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face-lift. and also the lend gendary grand hotel. >> capacity went from 850 to a little over 400. the rule for the state is half capacity for restaurants. >> looking for a lasting revenue long after the season is over. fewer tax dollars mean things like fewer police cars, a public generator are on hold. this year they are depending on good weather and good luck, hoping for a chance to celebrate another season. kevin tibbles from mackinaw island, michigan. still to come, history --
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>> we will defend, protect and preserve american way of life which began in 1492 when columbus discovered america. >> columbus did not discover america, but he is still part of the national debate. a statue of columbus got torn down and tossed into a harbor. we will discuss these things when we come back. come back. miles that take us back to the places we want to go. and to the people who count on us. so, let's roll up our sleeves. because we've got miles to make up. hold on one second... sure. okay... okay!
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it part of history and they want to keep it in the collection. for people who don't feel that visceral reaction many people of color feel when they see that flag, what would you say to them? >> well, i'd say learn more about history. a point of having monuments and enscribing our land scrape is to tell our version of history as americans. when white americans don't get the full story, are it is harmful. it is a false and incomplete
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narrative. i think they would like to get a narrative of our shared history of true valar and vir few. >> it's worth noting there is push to remove the carving of jefferson davis, robert e. lee in georgia. there was a protest yesterday with armed demonstrators, black men demanding that it come down. former u.s. poet natasha, thanks very much. >> thanks for having me. >> thank you for making time for us. up next, a special edition of "kasie d.c." she talks about this precarious moment in u.s. history. i'll see you tomorrow at 2:00 p.m. i'm joshua johnson. stick around "kasie d.c." is next. "kasie d.c." is next nice. way more unique fixtures and tiles.
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welcome to "kasie d.c." history in the making as the nation celebrates independence day with one of the most volatile chapters in american history. i'm joined by my guests to talk about our precarious national moment and john berry, author of the great influenza stops by with lessons from the past how we can think of the resurging of coronavirus today. but
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