bigger last night and said that we're out to protect you, we're out to 3r0ek9 yoprotect your bu we're out to protect your home. and we've heard various versions of that, they are coming for you, they are coming for your stuff, they are coming for your family in less than successful campaigns over the years. >> well, i guess the up gate ed slogan would be is in your heart you know he's white. and i'll talk about 2004, we knew that if we just had exactly the same amount of votes that we had in 2000, we would have lost. we had to grow our coalition. our pollster walked in and said we got 41% of hispanic votes and if we get 41% again, we lose. and so what i i don't understand, it seems to be all about sub be tracks and energy guiding their base. but i guarantee you that there will be historic turnout on both

sides of the time oaisle. so i know that they will be on the losinging end of the election. >> and so mark and elena, thank you very much for joining our live conversation on a tuesday afternoon. another break in our coverage as the tip of the hat from mark mckinnon. when we return, as cases of coronavirus continue to break records in various states across our country, there are new and understandable concerns about sending the kids back to school.

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we do want to reopen the schools. everybody wants it. the moms want it, the dads want it, the kids want it. it is time to do it. so what we want to do is we want to get our schools open, we want to get them open quickly, beautifully in the fall. anding as you know, this is a disease that is a horrible disease, but young people do extraordinarily well. >> so you heard opening the schools quickly and beautifully by the fall, that was the president moments ago at a white house round table on, you guessed it, reopening our schools. the surge in cases of coronavirus is coinciding with planning for the coming school year as you may have noticed. now just weeks away depending on where you live.

here are the facts as we know them. today we are at more than 2.9 million confirmed cases in the u.s. over 131,000 americans have lost their lives to the virus. new cases continue to spike at an alarming rate across the western and southern portions of our country especially. still, the president urging in an all caps tweet yesterday backed up by today's comments schools must open in the fall. but since there is no national plan for safe education, states and localities are making their own decisions as is their role. officials in texas home to over 5 million public school students are scrambling to figure out the best way it reopen schools there. new york city mayor booeexpecte release a slightly staggered schedule for the students to return. and yesterday florida's department of education ordered all schools to reopen next month

even though the state is at the center of the current surgery wi surge with over 200,000 cases. and some colleges and universities like stanford, f harfo harford, principal princeton saying that they will allow about half their students back on him campus. and with us from the university of southern california which is a hybrid model of virtual and in-person courses is in place is gadi schwartz. >> reporter: yeah, that's right. this hybrid model continues to be in flex and that bauer we're basically seeing a microcosm of what we're seeing across the country. you have two things going on. you have the pandemic here in california continues to get worse. we have hospitalization rates up. we have a positivity rate of about 10%. and so you have got school administrators wanting to make

sure that stint students don't the disease. and then you have the students wanting to get students back into the classroom and wanting to make sure that schools are open in the fall. so it is a balancing act here. and what we've seen at usc is this back and forth on how much student body should come back to the school, the campus itself. at first they were hoping to have a lot more students in the classroom. and then they changed their mind, they decided after seeing the spike is that a lot of those students, they were encouraging them to life off of camplive of reducing the amount of classes in person and prioritizing in virtual learning. and then we had yesterday action by i.c.e. which basically put a lot of international students and their entire future, their academic future, in jeopardy. these international students saying that they don't know what it means because under the new guidelines, if their classes are

all online, they could face deportation. their visas could be denied unless they transferred to a school where they actually do go to classrooms in person. so all of that up in the air at this point as schools, universities are trying to figure out what to do for the fall semester. >> gadi schwartz, thank you. brian, this is the issue that keeps me up at night. not necessarily for myself, i'm one of the lucky people who has the privilege of working in my basement, a lot of dads and i fear even more moms don't have that 3ri6. but for the kids, i don't know what scares me more, the thought of him being in school or the thought of him not being in school. it is something that we try to focus on it here, but i'm not sure that it is getting the attention it deserves. and the president putting our children's future in his bizarre

lex cicon sends a chill down my spine. >> and number one, the virus doesn't respect human schedules. it strikes where and when it can. and number two, the president keeps saying young are people do extraordinarily well. and in many cases he is right, but i was kremgted corrected ine last night, we had a doctor on from florida and i talked about how many young people there are who are asymptomatic carriers. and she corrected me and she said we're getting a lot of young people to take chest strays astra x-rays and they show permanent lung damage. and so no one truly is immune from this illness. thanking for having me, great to see you. >> nigs >> nice to be back together with you on the air. when we return, we'll pick up

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in-person learning, many teachers are rushing to juggle brand new staggered schedules and prepare safe environments that some health experts say should be avoided all together. with us once again for the ongoing conversations that turn into therapy, the president of the american federation of teachers. so here was my middle of the night cold sweat fear. my fear, and this is after i retweeted an article that i think was viewed pretty widely saying you could have a job or a kid but not both. and i think a lot of parent s ae feeling stressed about the idea of no back to school. but are we failing our kids by not looking at this in terms of what is best for them? >> look, i think that -- so we've just done a poll of our membership and i want to kind of start with some really hopeful

news. and this is that when you look at this, our members strongly endorse reopening schools, 76% of them, if we have the safety standards that are baked into place that you and i have talked about before that we've talked about since april. and i believe if we could actually get those things baked into place, including a hybrid model, including 6-feet of physical distancing, and we could have that out there by august, that lot of employers would then actually follow what the schools people are doing and will adjust schedules. because there shouldn't be a difference -- we should never be pitting parents against teachers or kids' needs against parents' needs to work. and so -- >> can i -- kcan i push on how

you keep a teacher safe? i live in new york city. how do we get all of the teachers from their door step to school which if you lived in new york during the peak of the crisis, it felt like a warzone having to move around the city. how do you keep them safe? >> so -- and thank you for asking that question. and this is what else we're doing. number one, this is why a place like new york is actually going to be so much more able to open than a place like florida because of the lack of community spread. so give to cuomo and murphy and de blasio because what happened is that curve has not only gone down, but it is really low right now. and so then you can have -- so that rule that we heard from dr. fauci months ago about 14 days of decreased cases, very little

community spread, and then you have an infrastructure of testing and tracing and isolation. so if somebody even takes the subway with a mask on, and 24th you make sure -- you have to be religious about making sure that there is no spread in schools. and we have to include parents and teachers in the dfr conversation. we need the money for it. but say a teacher is in my cat ghoer. y category, in her 60s with asthma. she feels like she can't teach in school this year until there is a vaccine. and she should have a reasonable accommodation. i'm willing to get tested. but somebody in that category, you can see that they don't want to take that risk. there will be plenty of work to do in terms of remote and we should be able to offer that just like there should be plenty of parents who if they are concerned about it, they should have the option of remote.

>> i never thought that i was a good teacher, but i thought that i was passable. i see this new statistic about the difference between in-person learning and remote and i'm humbled. 86% -- how well has distanced learningworked, 86% say much less well. >> and it is not because you are not a good teacher. you are a wonderful human being and the caring shows every single day. it is that as teacher, we actually know the tricks of the trade. and it is really important in a classroom when you see body language and you build on each other in a classroom, students and teachers build on each other, and so that sense of building community, the sense of engagement is really important. >> and teachers are gifts. and i didn't expect to be a good

teacher. it is an expertise. and a specialty. and it isn't mine. but i think that it is just the most important thing. and it is not just for moms to worry about or just are for you to worry about or dads to worry about, but i hope we can keep calling on you and having this conversation. this is the thing the most people -- not just moms, dads with kids, people have to keep talking about it. >> we need the money. for donald trump to just basically say in all caps, we need to open schools, well, if you had actually listened to teachers for the last few months, we would have told him how to open schools, but we need a package from washington to get us the funding to get the resources for both the public health tools and the instructional needs for schools. >> well, i don't pretend to know what the all caps mean, but at least it's on his radar.

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>> well, they believe it can be fixable, but the problem is coronavirus. within baseball, it's much the way it is in society. and trying to get a handle on it is not easy. you physically can't see it. what we're looking at right now for all sports is essentially what everybody loves about sports is the great comeback story. the problem is, it is unwritten right now, and the fact that it's not written tells you that it can go many different directions. i'm down here at disney world at espn's wide world of sports where nba players today began arriving. soccer players for mls are already here, and they were sort of the blueprint for how this was going to work here for soccer and ultimately for basketball. they created a bubble. inside that bubble, the idea was the people would be -- the players, the athletes would be protected from exposure. they have tests, retests, multiple tests. they're not allowed to go around

town. everything is to keep them situated away from exposurexpos. what happened with mls is one of the earliest welcome back games resuming the saerneason, nashvi and chicago. five players tested positive. one of the very first soccer games to be played has been postponed, and it's sort of a firing shot to the folks in the nba as their players arrive. we have more than 35 players in the nba that have tested positive that aren't going to get inside this bubble. sports wants to get back, but it's going to be a very difficult, bumpy road to get there. >> kerry, i watched "field of dreams" this weekend. i think everybody is rooting for sports to figure it out. we'll stay on it. thank you for spending time with us today. we'll stay on this story. coming up, as the public health crisis worsens, so does the crisis of leadership in this country. "deadline: white house," next. h.

hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east as the president whose politically motivated defiance against a global health emergency becomes clear with every crushing new day in the coronavirus pandemic. that under his leadership, or lack thereof, in this case, the united states has failed to do what the vast majority of developed countries have managed to do, flatten the curve. he has failed to protect his most vulnerable populations from dying. failed to even confront the

mistakes that have already been made. to be better prepared for next time. today, a warning reverberating through the halls of the white house from trump's own top expert, dr. anthony fauci, that the u.s. never even made it through the first wave of the coronavirus. >> the current state is really not good in the sense that, as you know, we have been in a situation where we were averaging about 20,000 new cases a day. two days ago, it was at 57,500. so within a period of a week and a half, we've almost doubled the number of cases. so in answer to your first question, we are still knee deep in the first wave of this, and i would say this would not be considered a wave. a resurgence of infections superimposed upon a base line that never really got down to where we wanted to go. >> indeed. a look at the data shows the

u.s. is in a surge where other countries, including ones like italy, which were once on similar trajectories to ours have seen a dramatic decrease in their spread of coronavirus. across the u.s., though, the vast majority of states are seeing an increase in cases with the situation becoming increasingly desperate across parts of the south and west. here's the proof all of this is not as the president claims, just harmless, positive cases being uncovered because of increased testing. at least seven states are now reporting record hospitalizations. not just increases in mild cases. in states like florida, that means doen e s doens of hospita they have zero available. reports of unsufficient testing and hospitals running out of personal protective equipment for health care workers on the front lines. the situation alarming enough that nearly half the states have officially begun to pause or even rewind their reopening schedules. if the president finds himself

once again on an island digging in on his defiance, withdrawing the country from the world health organization, which the white house has just confirmed is now official. and on twitter, trump insisting that schools must reopen, tweeting out videos of maskless indoor crowds, blaming china and, of course, blaming the media. from our deaths at the associated press, a reality check for donald trump. these are times of pain. mass death, fear and deprivation and the trump show may be losing its abllure exposing the empty space of presidents leading in a crisis. belligerence isn't calming a restive nation. that's where we start today. former baltimore health commissioner dr. leana wen is here, plus white house reporter jonathan lemire and democratic congresswoman, donna edwards. jonathan lemire, that was your stunning reporting i started with.

take me through it. >> well, thank you, nicolle. my colleague and i spent some time looking back at the last five months. and the presidency in crisis and how, frankly, this president has fallen short in the biggest test of his term. we highlighted five moments in particular and sort of drew a line through there where the president's response has been inadequate. we've seen him since he burst onto the political scene. his tactices are to bully, to outright lie and demand loyalty from his party and those around him. but this virus has not been listening. it doesn't respond. doesn't have a twitter account and certainly he's not shown the ability to engage with the sweeping protests that have gone from coast to coast demanding racial justice. we start by the day after he's -- the day after his impeachment acquittal. a day meant to be celebratory for the president.

he strode into the east room of the white house to settle political scores. his aides told themselves that was the start of a new chapter in his presidency and could focus on his re-election with a strong economy behind him. that same day, 3,000 miles away in her home in california, a woman died. it turned out later when her autopsy results were released that she was the nation's first covid-19 victim. so indeed, it was a new chapter for this president but not at all the one that he expected. and we have -- we document the toll the virus has taken on the economy on, of course, over the hundreds -- 120,000 or more american who have lost their lives. millions more who have lost their jobs and, of course, it's also taken the president and changed this presidential election as his poll numbers have been sliding and he currently trails joe biden. >> you know what i liked about the reporting, jonathan lemire,

and everybody should jump online and look for it, is that you didn't separate out coronavirus. because i think we make a mistake, and the story about russians paying bounties for u.s. soldiers and donald trump doing nothing and saying he wasn't briefed is not disconnected from the story of anthony fauci and deborah birx and many others trying to brief him on coronavirus, including in his pdb and the president doing nothing. this is a president who will have to stand before the american public and admit or at least lay bare he's not capable of being briefed or of responding to a crisis. is there any acknowledgment inside the white house that even trying to put him behind a podium at those briefings where he made the -- if this were a script for a comedy about the presidency and someone had the character suggest that the american people inject bleach because it cleans their lungs, they'd send it back and say that's too outrageous. is there any acknowledgment that he's not capable of delivering

any sort of authoritative message to the public, jonathan? >> certainly the call to inject bleach is the moment we highlight in the story. and there is a sense in the white house, as much as the president fancies himself, his own best messenger and communications director that he has, during this crisis which has now lasted months. and it's intertwined with all these other events, he has fallen down on the job. he's done far more harm than good. he's lost points in the polls. he's shed some of that base that many political observers thought would never leave him. elderly americans were turned off by his performance at those press briefings. we've seen him largely avoid questions from reporters in the last week or so since the russia bounty story emerged. they've shielded him from moments where he could face tough questions on that. and we know that he has continued and -- to tout the silent majority.

to demonize the protesters in the streets as left wing radicals, suggesting they hate america. we heard that from his speeches over the weekend at mt. rushmore and at the white house, turning, and i'll say this. probably the only president to turn the fourth of july, a moment of should be national unity and celebration into a time of crisis. trying to bring people together. he delivered some of the more divisive speeches of his time. >> donna edwards, i think that jonathan has this incredible piece of reporting, but it's to people like you and me to say this wasn't just abnormal. this was outrageous. it's un-american to call peaceful protesters fascists. the speech is over the line. and when i worry that there's any sort of complacency, it's when i see conversations about the speech he gave. he was banging the drum for a revival of the confederacy that, if it's a movement, it's an invisible one. what do you make of the fact

that he's at a pace -- i think 79% of americans or 70% of americans are looking to their governors for advice on reopening. 80% of americans -- 79% of americans, some are very worried about a second wave of the virus. donald trump the most famous masked truther in the world. refusing to wear a mask. what do you make of how far away he is not just from public health officials but increasingly from other republicans? >> well, donald trump does not have the confidence of the american people, nor does he deserve it. i think what you see here is a president who we look at him as having retreated to this position of the past and rerunning the 2016 campaign. and what we have to realize is that this is 70-plus years in the making of a donald trump who is selfish and arrogant, who doesn't care about the american

people, and his presidency has been nothing but that. i mean, you take a look from -- and i've written this from the time that he stepped down the elevators digging deeply and calling migrants rapists and, you know, jailing and caging children and, you know, good people on both sides in charlottesville, and on and on. this president just digs into the racist, the divisive, the homophobic, the sexist, you name it. whatever the "ist" is, the president does. and i just don't think that he really has demonstrated that he cares about the american people and certainly, as jonathan has pointed out, does not care about unifying the american people and has decided to go to the place that he is most comfortable. and that is in division and

stoking racial division. and i think that that is what we've seen over the course of his presidency and now the only way that he believes he can win re-election is to dig down even deeper. and what he doesn't seem to take note of is that he is speaking to a much, much narrower group of americans who do not represent the majority. and americans who don't trust him to run this country. and i think that is becoming increasingly clear. and he is behaving not like a winner like he likes to be. he is behaving like a loser. >> as donna said, the president's history when it comes to children includes jailing migrant children. here's what he said about returning children to school in the fall just a few moments ago. >> we hope that most schools are going to be open. we don't want people to make political statements or do it for political reasons. they think it's going to be good for them politically so they

keep the schools closed. no way. so we're very much going to put pressure on governors and everybody else to open the schools to get them open. and it's very important. it's very important for our country. it's very important for the well-being of the student and the parents so we're going to be putting a lot of pressure on open your schools in the fall. >> dr. wen, what role is there for politics in this, what could be life or death decision for families and teachers about reopening school? >> there is no role for politics here. i mean, just to what donald trump just said, i don't think anyone wants schools to be closed come the fall. no working parent wants that. we want schools to reopen, but we also want to do so safely. and we've seen all along that you can't just pick a random date and say, well, everything is going to be reopened at that point. you have to do the work for us to get there. and the most important thing

that all of us can do is to suppress the level of virus in our community. nobody wants schools to be opened at a time when icus are bursting past capacity, when there are patients who can't get in to seek care, when the virus is surging all throughout communities in the country. the most important thing we can do is to think, if our priority is for schools to be reopened in the fall, what are the steps we have to take right now that's suppressing the virus? maybe we need to be restricting things like bars and other indoor gatherings over the summer. we have to rapidly ramp up testing and contact tracing and these other things that are also going to be important for schools to reopen. and i think we need to take into consideration, too, the challenges for staff and other workers because we also don't want to endanger them either. >> i want to go through some of the other headlines, and i want your thoughts on anthony fauci's interview yesterday. let me start with you. you raise testing.

this is from "the new york times" today. in recent weeks, these cases have surged in many states. the demand for teftsting has surged. in many officicities, there's a shortage of certain supplies, backlogs at laboratories that process the tests and skyrocketing growth of the virus. how are we on month five still not at capacity for testing every american that needs a test? donald trump promised at the cdc in early march that anyone who wants a test could have one. i'm not sure there's a bigger whopper of a lie he's told since this started. >> this is it. we've been talking about testing for many months now. and we've talked about the problems all along that there's this supply chain issue. you can't just have enough swabs if you don't have enough reagents. you can't have reagents and then run out of the ppe that health

care workers need in order to supply and to deliver these tests. we need to secure a much larger, widespread testing. and not only testing that's for everyone who needs it but also rapid testing because having someone wait 5, 7 or even 10 days for test results to come back just is not going to be effective in reining in the infection. we now know what it takes in order to control covid-19. other countries have done it. germany, south korea, new zealand, so many other countries have successfully reined in covid-19. we know what we need. that begins with testing. and it's really a travesty that we in this country hasn't figured it out, even though it's the same virus. it's not as if they have a vaccine or treatment that we don't. we just need to get to work and have a national strategy led by this administration. >> dr. wen, the president has not made any moves toward having one. can we beat it without him, and

what do you make of dr. fauci's comments yesterday that we are knee deep in the first wave? >> dr. fauci is right that we never suppressed the level of infections the way that other countries have. and so we are still in the first wave of this infection, except that we're seeing rapid surges, escalating surges all throughout the country. i think that governors and mayors and other officials are trying their best. certainly my public health colleagues around the country are doing their best with the limited tools they have. but this is something that when we look at other countries, the one thing they have in common, the countries that have successfully fought this is they have a national coordinated strategy. and i just fear that we'll have many more preventable infections and deaths unless we have one here. >> jonathan lemire, let me come back to you. i think it's just two republican senators who are going to sit out the gop convention because of coronavirus fears. senators grassley and alexander.

any reassurances from the white house that the president won't go after them on twitter? >> not that we've heard yet. that's a fair question to ask. both of these senators, i believe, in their 80s and have health reasons to not want to set foot in this convention. your question puts a spotlight on, what sort of convention are they going to be able to have? if any at all? the president, as we know, is dead set on having as big an event as possible. that's why it was moved from charlotte to jacksonville in the first place. you know, he wants days worth of events to create as much as he can the over the top scene we saw in 2016 in cleveland. contrast that with the democrats who have really scaled back. it's largely going to be a virtual event. joe biden will be in milwaukee, but probably just for a day. there's real concern of not exposing too many people to a venue where there potentially could be a superspreader event.

large gathering like that, those are frowned upon. but the president wants to keep going and have an event in florida, a state where the virus is surging. and we see him this weekend returning to the road. he's having another campaign rally, this time in new hampshire, which is outdoors, and perhaps better, but still expected to be a large gathering of people. >> jonathan and donna are staying put. dr. leana wen, thank you so much for starting us off. it gives me some hope that people trust the voices of people like yourself more than any politician at a time like this. thank you for sharing it with us. when we come back, another explosive tell-all on donald trump is coming out. this time from a member of his own family. and it looks like she's not holding back. we've got our first look at what mary trump says about uncle donald. and more and more, the president is finding himself all alone when it comes to stoking the flames of his culture war. plus, the white house today reportedly hunting down

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not that we should feel sorry for him, but it has been a long few months for donald trump. explosive tell-alls from his fixers to advisers have made their way out to the public and now new revelations from the family from trump's niece. excerpts from her new book "too much and never enough." how my family created the world's most dangerous man. they're coming out today. nbc news obtained an early copy and has confirmed what other outlets are reporting. this analysis of the book from t"the new york times" which sees to explain how president trump's

position in one of new york's wealthiest and most infamous real estate empires helped him acquire what ms. trump has referred to as twisted behaviors. seeing other people in monetary terms and practicing, quote, cheating as a way of life. a particularly incredible section highlights mary's own professional opinion on her uncle. quote, ms. trump, a clinical psychologist, asserts that her uncle has all nine clinical criteria for being a narcissist. and yet she notes that even that label does not capture the full array of the president's psychological troubles. the fact is, donald's pathologies are so complex and his behaviors so often inexplicable that coming up with an accurate and comprehensive diagnosis would require a full battery of psychological and neurophysical tests that he'll never sit for. joining our conversation, former democratic senator claire mccaskill, jonathan lemire who covers this specimen is also

still here. claire, my question for you is, we've all been so reluctant to say out loud what is before our very eyes. that there's something clearly path logical about the penchant for lying, the abusive behavior toward so many former staffers and cabinet secretaries. people like jim mattis who served the nation for decades. and here you have someone deep inside his own family, an explanation. >> i think i can remember the first day i used the word liar in connection with the president of the united states. and, you know, it felt weird because typically we try, even if we disagree with the president, or we disagree with their characterization to demonize someone with that label. it's a tough thing to do. but it has become so easy because he's such a liar. so is this a big surprise that his niece says that cheating is

a way of life for him? is there any wonder that he's so nervous about all of his financial records because i guarantee you they're full of lies and he depended on them to get loans and things that are illegal to do. so he has an ethos of cheating and lying. that's why he doesn't trust anyone because he knows at his essence, he's not trustworthy. >> claire, this is such an interesting conversation, and i could have it for the next hour. i never struggled to call him a liar because, first of all, "the washington post," with its sort of fact-checker types was tracking all the lies. when they ticked up past 10,000, it was clear that this was a strategy. and it always seemed to be part of a political strategy. and an inoculation to further what he said at one of his rallies. don't believe your eyes or ears. believe me. and to me, the bombshell in this isn't that he's a narcissist. george conway has been saying

that for three years. it's that none of it is his haplessness. all of it is his malevolence. doesn't that make you nervous ahead of november? >> of course. it does make me nervous, but, frankly, you know, i guess i try to do glass half full. if we have survived 3 1/2 years of this chaos and incompetence and cheating and lying, then, you know, hopefully we can survive another few months and turn the page. what's the saddest thing is the damage it's done to our stature in the world as we lead the world in coronavirus cases, as we exit the world health organization today, just like we exited the paris treaty. just like we exited other things. all of these things. and maybe the worst, nicolle, is that the whole thing about you cannot tell a lie that you learned when you were little. a lesson in presidential history

about george washington and not lying. for young people today, young evangelical christians whose parents are go trump. they have now learned that it's a-okay to be a big liar and be president of the united states. to be a big cheat and be president of the united states. that is something that will take longer for our nation to recover from and i hope that it is a dirty, ugly chapter of the past and presidents in the future don't try to emulate this jerk. >> you know, jonathan lemire, the portrait that mary trump paints is of a president badly damaged. a very damaged person. and this seems to be the portrait of himself that he recoils from most often. and all the projections seem to have one of the expectations in mary trump's writings. what is the white house doing other than trying to sue and failing to block publication of this book? how is the white house preparing for its release?

>> you're right. the book paints a tough picture of the president's relationship with his father, fred trump, who said, you know, the book alleges really was tough on donald trump and sort of was able to, i believe the phrase is like knock all regular human emotion out of him. his ability to connect with other people. those sort of feelings. certainly that's rare. someone who has covered him closely for years. i was there when he came down that escalator in june of 2015. it's rare to have him show any genuine emotion. the one being the death of his brother. that's one where you feel like he's feeling something about it. but we've seen him struggle to connect. and that's part of why he's had such a difficult time managing this coronavirus. he's shown no empathy here. very little to those who have been affected by this, who have died, who have gotten very sick. the white house is pushing the idea that the mortality rate is low. that's their argument. even if you are to survive it. certainly so many tens of

millions of americans are out of work and they aren't focused on that. just go, go, go cheerleading of the economy this president is trying to do. in terms of the book, the white house tried to block publication of it. that failed. it was in every newsroom across the country right now. i can read an amusing pushback from the press secretary kay league mcenany who was asked about it. >> please don't. please don't. >> i have yet to -- but i have yet to see the book. but it is a book of falsehoods. which is sort of -- i think that sums it up. their suggestion that in this case, the president secretary was worth quoting because it is sort of their stock answer. i haven't seen it, but it couldn't possibly be true. that's where the president and the white house has had to rely on lines like that. >> you should call her back, jonathan. tell her that it says that he's really skinny and smart and see if she changes her quote. >> let me give you the last word

on why this matters. i think if you talk to people who know him and you try to understand his response to crises like coronavirus and tragedies like the killing of george floyd and you try to understand the vast emptiness, the cravenness, putting himself in the middle of it. i'm endlessly interested in what happened to him. do you think there's something here that helps people strategizing for joe biden in terms of the psychological operations, the general election which are really intense and that's not absence from how you debate or approach an opponent. >> well, i do think that joe biden is such a contrast to donald trump. >> right. >> if you just back up from this and take a bird's-eye view, there's some brutal things in here about donald trump and his family relationships, including the sister who was a federal judge who he has bragged about time and time again, her calling

him a clown and saying how he could never be elected. i mean, all of our families have issues, right? but if you look at the obama family and biden family, clearly they role model for the country the kind of bonds that you expect in a family. the kind of loyalty. the kind of respect. the kind of love. and i think joe biden has been doing a good job of contrasting empathy with donald trump. i think he can also contrast a loving, close family. >> jonathan lemire, thank you for spending the first half of our hour with us and congrats on great reporting that we led with. claire is sticking around for more. trump amping up his race wars again. not that they're working. and he's the only one that thinks it's a good idea. even as many in his own party think he's in too deep. top for a fingerstick. with the freestyle libre 14 day system,

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donald trump is increasingly on an island when it comes to his race-baiting and divisiveness. themes he's tripled and quadrupled down on as polls ton show him trailing joe biden, leaving him further isolated from the nation he leads. he attacked african-american nascar driver bubba wallace and nascar, typically trump-friendly territory for him, came to wallace's defense. the pentagon was busy drafting a policy that would ban confederate flag. and colin kaepernick signed a deal with disney. and trump's own party think he's endangering their chances in november. on capitol hill, some republicans fret privately to avoid his wrath that trump's fixation on racial and other cultural issues leaves their party running against the currents of change. coupled with the coronavirus pandemic and other crises, these republicans fear he's not only

seriously impairing his re-election chances but also jeopardizing the gop's senate majority and strength in the house. donna and claire are still with us. i'm amazed these folks talking to folks at "the washington post"anonymously. the best thing to do is to speak up and try to get him to -- it's too late to change course but to shave off some of the ugliest, nastiest edges of his message. >> for them, to speak up or to get out. i don't really know what point they serve if they're in an administration where they don't really share the president's views and they think he's going the wrong direction. but they don't have any capacity to really say anything about it or to change his behavior. i mean, that would be the argument is that you could change the president's behavior. but, look, this president is baked in, nicolle. you've said this so many times over the course of your many

months of shows during this presidency. but the strange thing is that for a guy who really, you know, views himself as somebody who can tap into where the public sentiment is that, clearly, during -- in this phase, he really has not, at all, and, in fact, he's sort of digging the hole deeper and deeper as though he really does want to burn the house down and maybe that's because he knows that he's losing and that all of these polls are showing exactly what his polls internally are showing. and so, therefore, if he can't have it, then burn the whole thing down. it's a classic sign of somebody who doesn't care for the american people but really just cares for himself. >> claire, the thread that i keep trying to pull in my own head is, what does he want? if he were still the host of "the apprentice" which seems like an apex life experience for him, he'd be fired for espousing

these views. he could not go back to entertainment or television. his comments about coronavirus got trish regan fired from fox news business. he's now not only out of step with the public, he's noncommercial. >> well, here's the thing. he believes that he knows best. he believes he became president because he understands politics and this electorate better than anyone else. and no one is going to convince him otherwise. and he's wrong. he's wrong about why he got elected and how he got elected. he's certainly wrong in thinking that he can keep preaching to a shrinking base and win this election. what i really think is interesting, nicolle, you're seeing some backing up of some interesting folks like lindsey graham taking the side of nascar in terms of banning the confederate flag. roger wicker from mississippi saying it was the right thing to

do to take down the mississippi flag that had the emblem of the confederacy on it. you have mitch mcconnell going out of his way to preach the gospel of masks and wearing masks. so you're seeing some of this. and although they have to be very careful because if lindsey graham were to actually show disloyalty, then he's really in trouble in his election. all these senators that are in trouble if they lose even two or three percent of the trump maze because of disloyalty, they could find themselves out of a job. so they really are in a boxed canyon. >> couldn't happen to better folks. donna it is still remarkable to hear claire describe it as a risky strategy for republicans like lindsey graham and wicker to take cover behind nascar and mississippi. i mean it just shows how out of step trump it, not how evolved either of them are. >> i think that's right.

here's the thing that, you know, for folks like a lindsey graham and a mitch mcconnell, they worry about whether they can sustain losing that 1% or 2%, and they worry about the president going after them. and this is where i think the republican party, to me, these folks don't really want to rebuild the republican party because, if you did, you would not be traipsing up behind a donald trump out of touch with 70% of the american people. and so i don't know what the end game is here, but it's not -- you are not going to work out if you are trying to tread in both camps. you're going to have to pick a camp, and i think that's the place where lindsey and mitch find themselves now is that they don't have a camp to choose. >> claire, i just want to go back to the mt. rushmore speech because i think the look back on donald trump's political life, whatever november holds for him,

will always include a footnote about that address. and the invocation of the word fascist to describe the left and peaceful protesters. it's very much in line with and it almost sort of corroborates the decision to use the -- to militarize and federalize the police forces pushing out peaceful protesters from lafayette square. there are through lines through all of trump's conduct in recent weeks. >> well, it really reminded me of his inaugural address. i'll never forget sitting up there and listening to that speech saying, you know, this is so dark and weird and ugly and, you know, your former boss had a very colorful phrase. that was some weird you know what. and i think he went back to the same speechwriter. i think he went back to bannon and steven miller. certainly steven miller's

fingerprints were all over that. it was dark, divisive. here's the thing most frustrating for a lot of people who listened to it. he was calling peaceful protesters fascists and thugs and accusing them of indoctrinating our children and then had the nerve to invoke martin luther king jr.'s name. if there ever was a man who stood for peaceful protests and progress and change and getting to that equality, that elusive equality through peaceful protests, it was martin luther king. so shame on him in calling peaceful protesters and then using martin luther king's name in the same speech. it's unbelievable. and it will go down, i think. and the irony is, the people that support him thought it was a beautiful speech. that just shows you how far we have fallen. >> many of them are unmasked and sitting very, very close to each other. donna edwards, claire mccaskill,

thank you for spending some time with us. when we come back, trump reportedly angry at someone about the russia bounty story. spoiler alert. it isn't vladimir putin.

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even your own family. >> your own family. >> they whisper about you. they leak, spin, lie. they tell the media they're smart and you're out of control. with so many leaks, you probably think it would be anyone. >> could be anyone. >> donald, it's everyone. >> they're all against you, mr. president and devastating ad from the republican-led group, the lincoln project. but the ad plays on something that donald trump has been fixated on since day one. loyalty and leakers and, today, politico is reporting that the trump white house is looking to find another leaker. quote, the trump administration has opened an internal investigation to uncover who leaked intelligence about russians paying the taliban bounties to kill american soldiers. the administration has interviewed people with access to the intel and believes it has narrowed down the universe of subjects to fewer than ten people. joining our conversation, former top state department official,

our friend rick stengel. i just think it's amazing that two weeks after this story was first broken by "the new york times," there hasn't been any public rebuke of vladimir putin for placing bounties on the heads of soldiers. there hasn't been any public explanation or articulation or announcement of an investigation into what the times reported was at least three deaths suspected to be tied to the bounty program. and i'm always open to the idea there may be things that happen in the government that we don't know about, but the dots are undeniable. putin inching toward a cold war. dead american soldiers, donald trump's silence. >> it's just extraordinary, nicol nicolle. if you are commander in chief, your first and most important responsibility is to protect the men and women in uniform around the world. and you have the idea, the

aspect, the possibility that a hostile foreign power is paying the taliban to kill american soldiers. and you're not outraged by it? you're not going insane about it? what you are doing -- your first reaction is to accuse other people of foisting a lie on you? this is just, really, extraordinary, treasonous behavior that is hard to understand unless you think that the russians have some extraordinary hold over donald trump. and forget just the fact that he is amoral and immoral. the fact that he can't react like a commander in chief is crippling for the nation, not just for him. >> i think you're absolutely right. and i just want to pull that thread a little further with you. i mean, he gets covered at hapless and uninformed and his idiocy is often the headline and we don't always sort of stay with the crisis of the day long

enough to understand that it's more than just haplessness. it's more than just the world stage that matters. >> yeah, nicolle, you've been in the oval office. can you imagine going in and telling a president that somebody, a hostile foreign power is killing your own soldiers abroad? i mean, your head should pop off with that, i mean, but he seems to be perfectly comfortable with that. i mean, do they have leverage on him? is he such a sociopath that he can't even empathize with the death of american soldiers, men and women abroad. it's just extraordinary and the fact is, i mean, we have our daily outrage, but something like this is just beyond the pale. i mean, it's treasonous behavior. >> do you think that we lose sight of sort of the big and

most egregious stories too quickly? as you said, this isn't about lying to the press or the spokesman coming to the podium and spouting nonsense. this is about military families who still regardless of who the commander in chief is give their lives to protect our freedoms. >> and -- i mean, i don't understand why they are not protesting. i'm sure they're silently grieving, but to go to the first part of your question, i mean, obviously i spent way many more years as a journalist than i did in government and, i mean, part of what we fall for as journalists is, you know, the daily outrage. by the way, the three or four outrages of the day so we don't pay attention to the thing that happened three or four days ago that's just incredibly appalling or even treasonous behavior. that is his strategy and frankly it works in part because we go for the bait almost every time no matter what it is. i mean, you have to put a show together every day, you have to have different segments. i mean, people like what is new.

i mean, what that does is we lose sight of behavior that's just so appalling, that's so treasonous that we should never ever lose sight of it. >> all right. so let's devote ourselves, you and i, to never losing sight of this story. we will stay on it. rick stengel, thank you for spending some time with us and putting back on your magazine editor's hat, i'm always grateful. when we come back, celebrating lives well lived. ef when we come back, celebrating lives well lived or make me feel like i'm not really "there." talk to your doctor, and call 844-234-2424. extra cheese, extra pepperoni right to the edge and the biggest slices in papa john's history. but it's bigger than pizza is can.

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enforcer he portrayed. in 2014 he told the "new york times," quote, the producer kept telling me get tough, get mean, get angry, but i am a nice guy. i'm canadian. when nick died of the coronavirus this past weekend his best friend, actor zach braff insisted he had never met a kinder human being. cordero had been fighting the virus for three months. six weeks of that in a medically-induced coma. his battle with the disease was also public. his devoted wife amanda periodically shared updates, offering the world a glimpse of the horrors that the disease can do to a person. heart problems, sepsis, a leg amputation. so our thoughts today are with amanda and their one-year-old son who will grow to know his father like we do, as a kind and gentle and talented, talented soul. we also want to take time today to remember dr. joshua suzuki, his son told the seattle times his dad was quirky, he

drove an 8 cylinder muscle car, he for ranld in the mountains for mushrooms and wildflowers, he smoked a pipe and prak practiced zen philosophy. he also delivered 5,000 babies as an ob/gyn. actually, he started his career as a resident physician at a u.s. air force hospital in tokyo, but then vietnam started. d d suzuki was so shaken by american men delivered to his hospital that he decided he would rather deliver babies because that would make people happy. he moved to the states and raised his four sons. their plan to honor their dad includes a trip to maiden peak. they sold the treatel times that's where they will bury his ashes, at his favorite wildflower backpacking spot. this is why we wear masks, folks. keep it up. we will be okay. that does it for our hour. thank you for letting us into your homes. our coverage continues with the fabulous katy tur so who i'm

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