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because we discussed billy holiday's strange fruit, sam cook, and so much more. again, i want to thank everyone for writing in and sharing your experience and people watching "the beat" as a family. and, as always, we'll be back here at 6:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow. it does it for us. now my friend and colleague joy reid is up next. >> hey, how are you doing? a plus for the billy holiday reference. "strange fruit" was such a revolutionary piece of music. >> thank you for saying that and going through and looking at her courage and how she was harassed by the government throughout her life is telling. i know you work a ton on these issues, joyce, so i appreciate you saying that. >> definitely. and i'm going to google that as well, but, like, in an hour from now i'll be googling that. but not right now because i've got to do a tv show. okay, ari, thank you very much. have a good night. >> have a good show. well, all in the family as dr. anthony fauci warns, we are
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still knee deep in the first wave of the pandemic. and the country hurdles toward another horrifying milestone. donald trump again praised his own response to the coronavirus. good evening, i'm joy reid in new york. we've got a lot to get to tonight. there are also stunning new revelations about donald trump today from someone who knows him very well, his own niece. the allegation includes that trump cheated his way into college. but first grappling with the realities of racial injustice, a likely recession, the american public is crying out for leadership. you would think it's all fine from how leaders tell it. >> people just should put it into context about what's going on. there's no need to really be fearful about it. >> we were able to flatten the curve, which was the initial purpose for shutting down the country. and now with re-opening, we can
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do it in a safe and healthy way. >> we do not want to hand the keys of this economy that is roaring back to life, we don't want to hand those keys to the marxists and the socialists. >> is the president right now exhibiting failed leadership? >> no. i think that the president is stepping forward. >> it's all fine. tonight, the united states is fast approaching 3 million confirmed cases of coronavirus with 1 million new cases in just the last month. that includes the more than 130,000 americans who have lost their lives. more americans than the total number of americans who died fighting world war i. and it is stunning given that death toll that the white house is hoping that americans will simply grow numb to the escalating death toll. but those numbers are impossible to ignore. and we will not ignore them. despite mounting evidence that the virus is out of control, trump insisted today that he has done everything right.
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>> we saved tens of thousands of lives, hundreds of thousands of lives. and now we're open and we want to stay open and we will stay open. we're not closing. we'll put out the fires as they come out. i call them embers and fires and whatever you want to call them. and we'll watch very closely. we've done it right. >> or call them an out of control pandemic. and rather than focus on that crisis, the crisis at hand, donald trump has spent most of his time and energy picking away at his base's racial grievances re-tweeting calls of white power, hugging trees and monuments and even mounting an explicit defense of the confederate flag. well, republicans are clearly too scared and frankly too cowardly to utter even a word of criticism in public. they're more than willing to whisper now unnerved they are by trump's rhetoric behind closed doors. as the "associated press" reports, republicans worry that trump might be too divisive to keep control of the senate this
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november. even trump's own officials are privately expressing frustration over trump's recent embrace of a message stoking racial and cultural divisions according to nbc news. although not one of these officials has stepped forward to speak out publicly or to resign. meanwhile, we've seen that leaders who choose to ignore the coronavirus are just as vulnerable as everybody else. today the president of brazil, the so-called trump of the tropics whose public skepticism of covid has led to disastrous consequences in his country, announced that he has tested positive. it comes as dr. anthony fauci warns that efforts to bend the curve in this country didn't do enough to contain the virus. >> the current state is really not good. we now have record-breaking cases. we are still knee deep in the first wave of this. and i would say this would not be considered a wave. it was a surge or a resurgence of infections superimposed upon
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a base line that really never got down to where we wanted to go. >> i'm joined by the white house correspond for pbs newshour, the president and ceo of the center for american progress, david jolly, and msnbc contributor and msnbc medical contributor, dr. roy. we obviously are facing an out of control pandemic right now in this country and a real lack of leadership. some people are listening to donald trump who's saying flash uv rays at yourself and drink bleach and such. then some are listening to their governors who also vary in quality in terms of their governance. there's a poll out right now. nbc news did a poll asking who do you trust, your governor or donald trump? 43%, which is really kind of frightening, say they trust donald trump. 55% disapprove of him. 60% say they trust your state's
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governor. 37% disapprove of how their governor's doing. how much is this chaos contributing to the crisis? >> you know, joy, when dr. fauci, that was a great interview that he had, a conversation with dr. frances collins, who gentlemen, public servants, who've devoted their careers to public health and science and medicine. but dr. fauci's expression "knee deep" in this pandemic, really reverberated down my spine. leadership is about making tough decisions, not the popular ones, but making the right decision. and right now in the midst of a ballooning infectious disease outbreak, we need our leaders, leadership really means making evidence-based public health decisions. and specifically in this case mandating public health measures that are known to save lives. every single elected official needs to wear a mask. i do not leave my home without wearing a mask. they need to show by leadership
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by example to wear these masks. and they also need to mandate physical distancing. and if you can't, then wear the mask. this is what's happening right now. leadership also means understanding that you have to protect the most vulnerable people in your communities. i know on your show you've talked about this multiple times. this pandemic is disproportionately impacting black men and women, native americans, hispanic communities. so we need to protect all these people. that's what leadership really means. >> you know, and i too, i don't leave my house without wearing a mask either. this morning i jogged in new york in harlem, mask on. like, it's just a simple thing that everyone has to do. yamiche, it seems to me that not only is the white house surrendering completely on the coronavirus, but they're also lying to their base. can you just walk us through what are the rules for being anywhere near donald trump when it comes to coronavirus? >> it's unclear the exact rules.
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what we know is that everyone around president trump is being tested regularly and that people around him are being told that they should be socially distancing away from the president. the thing that's interesting though is that the white house has had several events, and as reporters, we are no longer getting our temperatures checked. so there was a point in this white house and in this pandemic where everyone coming in through the front gates, everyone had to have their temperature checked, everyone had to be asked a number of questions including do you have the symptoms for the coronavirus? about a couple weeks ago, that was done away with. and now what we have is a bunch of people coming to the white house not socially distancing. you saw over the july 4th weekend there were people sitting at tables and on the lawn closer than health officials including the trump administration on health officials would have them do. so what you see in the president is someone who really wants to move past the virus. but instead of dealing with the virus and saying we need to get testing better, we need to admit some of the failings of this. instead he is saying let's just all talk about the virus like
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it's gone. so today you had a bunch of governors and other people come to the white house to talk about having students come back to schools. there was no talk about the fact that there were still testing issues. there was no talk about the fact that we are still hitting record highs. the president said we need to open our country back up and let people go on with their lives and let people figure out how to deal with this. >> okay. that's insane. i am so glad to see you first of all. i have not seen you, you know, on television or in my text messages for a while. because you actually had covid-19. you actually had the coronavirus. so you've been through this. >> i did. >> can you explain. and first of all i'm so glad that you're feeling better. can you maybe explain to donald trump who does actually learn everything he knows through the tv? so maybe on the chance he's hate-watching tonight, how serious this illness is and why he ought to take it seriously, even for himself. pretending it's not there will
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not make it be there. but please explain that to him if you could. >> i mean, what was so profound about this is that i had a moderate case. i never had a fever. my oxygen was fine. and i was wiped out by this virus. there were days i was sleeping 20 hours. it took me six weeks to get back to any semblance of normal. i am healthy. i am not that much older. so, i'm one of those people that donald trump says should never really get super sick. and it's a scary virus because there's so much we don't know. i had symptoms that came and went and came back again. and it just stays with you a long time. and what is so scary is this messaging that 99% of people are fine when they get the virus. that is false. and what i find so deeply concerning is that this surge in cases we have is because of the
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president urging states to reopen. they listen to him. and now we are dealing with this pandemic much longer than other countries. so this is -- you know, this is a public health disaster that his leadership is responsible for. >> you know, and, right. and, david, i am a bit astounded by the republican party. i understood that there is a pack mentality that extreme partnership is a real thing. but the fact that they understand their own constituents are dying, you know, could be dying, the governor of florida has to understand that the tragedy that's hitting a state with a larger population than new york could end up being incredibly tragic. but they seem compelled to still follow him even basically to the gates of hell. i want to play an ad from some former republicans like yourself. this is the latest ad from the lincoln project. >> biden now leads the president. >> he's going to be a president.
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>> why do you think you're losing, donald? >> because some people don't love me, maybe. >> it's because you've got a loyalty problem. during your campaign, your white house, in congress, even your own family, they whisper about you. they leak, spill, lie. they tell the media they're smart and you're out of control. and you can't focus that you're mentally and physically weak, that you hide in your bunker scared and shaky, laugh when you can't walk down a ramp or drink water. the ones you know and the ones you don't know whispering about you. they expect you to lose. >> because, david, not only do all of the people who are supposedly loyal, they are terrified of donald trump but they're running to yamiche and other reporters and leaking information. all of the good dirt that comes from the white house comes from people close to him. they are probably terrified and wearing masks at home when he can't see them.
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but publicly they still do this complete act of full cowardice. please try to explain this for us. >> uh, darwinism, i suppose, joy. they all deserve to lose because the courage of your convictions should be on display publicly. and we get to judge our elected officials based on the principles that they share with the american people, not what they do in private and do something different in public. that ad is hitting at a core flaw in donald trump. it's that weak and fragile men who fail to earn the respect of the people they serve try to command it. and donald trump commands respect and loyalty from republicans. but, look, there is no daylight. we get to judge those republicans on capitol hill who are serving right along donald trump and have enabled him and celebrated him. and the reason that the republicans will lose the senate and donald trump will lose the white house is because they had an opportunity to learn the
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lessons of the 2018 midterm elections and they have done nothing to address the voters that said, you know what, i may have not voted for democrats in the past, but i'm sick and tired of the direction republicans are taking us, donald trump is taking us. and i'm going to align with the democrats. enough americans did that in '18. i think it's going to happen again in 2020. the morning of november 4th will be a reckoning moment for republicans. >> let me play -- that's what it feels like unless voter suppression actually works as directed. let me play for you donald trump. let's give him a couple words here tonight. this is him responding to dr. anthony fauci saying we are not in a good place. >> even dr. fauci is saying that we're knee deep. and he's saying that we're not in a very good place or something to that effect. how do we reconcile the good news with the bad news? >> well, i think we are in a good place. i disagree with him. dr. fauci said don't wear a mask
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and now he says wear them. he said numerous things, don't ban china. we are going to be in two, three, four weeks by the time we next speak, i think we're going to be in very good shape. >> i'm not sure what the good news is that she was referencing because i don't think there is anyway. there isn't any good news so let's put that aside. donald trump is basically trying to say trust him and not dr. fauci. that is insane. but i will let you comment on it. >> my blunt advice is, look, if you have questions about your diabetes medications or high blood pressure medications, do you talk to your senator or mayor or governor? or do you go to your doctor's office? similarly, we are in the middle of a public health crisis. as a doctor, first of all let me just say that neera is feeling better. but any unof us can get sick. and when i think of all of the men and women that are in the hospital right now struggling to
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breathe, in pain, they are struggling to survive, it drenches my heart in sorrow because this is preventible and treatable and we didn't have to be here. >> 100%. and before we go, because, again, donald trump really yearns for celebrities to be with him. they didn't show up at his white house. but we will now play a celebrity for you. because maybe if you won't listen to reason and you won't listen to dr. roy, you won't listen to experts and you won't listen to dr. fauci, maybe you'll listen to tom hanks because he's famous. here he is. >> we don't know what's going to happen with covid-19. the idea of doing one's part, though, should be so simple. wear a mask, social distance, wash your hands. look, there's no law against ignorance. it is not illegal to have a different opinion. there is a darkness on the edge
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of town here, folks, and let's not confuse the fact it's killing people. >> covid survivor and far more famous person than donald trump ever was, that was tom hanks. thank you so much to yamiche alcindor, neera tanden, so glad to see you again. coming up, florida is seeing an explosion in covid cases with some hospitals running out of beds. but the sunshine state's governor continues to deny what the data clearly shows, that the problem is getting worse. plus, we get our first look at the new tell-all book from trump's niece, including the t that he cheated on the s.a.t., left his brother to die alone in the hospital while he headed to the movies, and that the daddy issues that turned him into the reckless self-centered person afflicting us today. we've got so much more to get to. stay with us. stay with us in only 8 weeks with mavyret... ...i was cured. i faced reminders of my hep c every day.
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people understood that, you know, you have a virus, people will get infected. you want to shield the vulnerable, of course. but you want to be able to deal with what ends up happening. and so we're in a way better position today. i think that we're much better off today than we were in march. and we're much better off to weather compared to what some of those other areas are. >> very well positioned to be able to handle what comes down the pike. >> none of that's true. florida governor ron desantis has consistently downplayed the coronavirus just like his bossman, donald trump. and while the governor buried his head in the sand, residents took to the beaches to celebrate the holiday weekend. desantis has consistently blamed new york for seeding the spread of the disease in florida. right now florida has more than 8,000 cases per day compared to new york, which has fewer than 700. florida's reporting a 19% increase in positive cases. that's the highest of any state except arizona.
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four dozen hospitals report that their icu beds have reached capacity. many others say they're close to full. and 63% more deaths were reported today. this has prompted florida's largest county, miami-dade to reimpose restrictions on dining, gyms and vacation rentals. i'm going to come to you just in a moment. but i want to get to mayor suarez first. please comment on what is going on in the state. it doesn't appear that the governor believes the coronavirus is that serious. he's acting as just as donald trump is as if it is just like a minor flu and it's not a big deal. how concerned are you about miami-dade residents? >> i'm extremely concerned about miami-dade residents. we are seeing unfortunately record highs, record level of new cases which has downstream consequences. it has consequences for
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hospitalizations which we've seen at an all-time high. it has consequences for icu beds, which we've seen at an all-time shortage. and it has consequences for what i think is the most severe statistic other than death, which is ventilators. and we are seeing ventilators climb to an all-time high. even though we know that ventilators are used less than they were at the beginning of the pandemic and that the survival rate is better than it was at the beginning of the pandemic due to better medical treatment, we're still seeing a pretty significant death rate if you get on a ventilator. so the fact that we're approaching the high point of ventilators and it looks like we're going to go beyond that is extremely concerning. and it should and possibly will influence a death rate over the next coming weeks. >> let me play for you. so the "new york times" is a piece that is talking about the challenges of contact tracing in the state of florida. it says here the state's contact tracers are already overwhelmed by the surging number of cases. s
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here's governor desantis commenting on that. >> i've already greenlighted 138 million for the department of health to support not just contact tracing but other personnel. contact tracing is not going to be enough. you have to have some of the things you're doing with the nursing home. >> it doesn't sound like he has a plan. and just having lived in south florida for 14 years, it's a very diverse community. you have haitian-americans, cuban mr cuban-americans and people from all around the world.
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how are you handling that because it doesn't appear the governor is. >> well, i can tell you that the percentage of rate of which people are responding to contact tracing has gone down, partly because the number of new cases has gone up significantly. i think we need to get the contact tracers to focus on information that is actionable for us. for example, we need to know what categories of places they either got it or that they work at so that we potentially can have surgical remedies to target those areas to make sure that we can stop the spread of the virus. and we're not getting that right now. so we're working with the department of health. we're trying to refine their questionnaires and get them to ask the right questions and give us the right information so that we can make better decisions on the round. >> representative jones, it's good to see you. and i first of all want to find out how you're feeling. >> i feel great. i feel good. i feel better than i've done in the last eight days so i'm doing
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well. thank you for asking joy. >> of course. this is like my hometown team here that's on with me. let's talk about schools re-opening. because one of the biggest challenges and i am thankful my children are not little kids and they would have been in public schools in broward county. the challenge -- there's an emergency order calling for the re-opening of florida schools that the governor's put in place and the school commissioner richard corcoran is ordering schools to open again, opening in august. all school boards and charter schools, governing schools must open all brick and mortar school at least five days a week for students. this is now an order. is broward county ready for that? >> um, i just spoke with superintendent runcie, and the one thing that superintendent runcie made clear is that they have a plan, that they plan on following through on. within that plan, it has allowed for a three-prong approach in how they open the schools, whether it's hybrid learning,
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whether it's students going to school physically, or whether it's students going to school one week and going to school another week. they have decided that they are going to follow their plan that they have put forth through the school board. right now what we have is a state that is following the direction of donald trump who has turned this into a political show and said that schools need to happen, and students need to go back to school, whereas teachers, parents, and students, their lives will be at risk because we know classrooms are a petri dish. so i'm happy that broward schools said that they are going to go through on the plan that they have already put forth. do you have any confidence at all in the governor? and i'll ask you first. >> well, let's be clear. there were areas, joy, that i've congratulated the governor on. and that was putting testing locations in african-american communities.
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i said thank you for doing that. but the governor has failed on certain areas that is not okay. that is putting floridians in harms way. one of those areas is mandating masks. these are areas where i know the governor has failed so there is no confidence that i have right now, even considering the spike in numbers that we have. >> and my last question, and we are out of time, but mayor suarez, are you getting pressure from within your party? because the president of the united states is running the show as far as the way that people are governing their constituents. you're not. you're actually governing your constituents like you actually care that they stay alive. are you getting any pressure from the party to change your mind and follow donald trump's line? >> i'm not. and, frankly, honestly, i wouldn't listen because the bottom line is that my obligation -- i'm a nonpartisan elected official. my obligation is not to necessarily a party. my obligation is to my residence and to make sure that i do everything possible to make sure that they're protected.
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and this to me should not be a partisan issue. it should not be a political issue. this is a public health safety issue and it's an economic issue. and we have to deal with both aspects of it. >> amen. >> thank you very much. i appreciate you showing that leadership. great to see you. still ahead, advanced copies of an explosive tell-all book from donald trump's niece mary are making the rounds, exploding the myths that donald trump has created about his intelligence and his basic acumen. the co-author joins me. stay with us. -author joins me stay with us [ engine rumbling ] [ beeping ] [ engine revs ] uh, you know there's a 30-minute limit, right? tell that to the rain. [ beeping ]
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welcome back. well, an explosive new book from his own niece is set to expose donald trump for who he is in. our upcoming book, mary trump, a clinical psychologist, writes, i have no problem calling donald a narcissist. he meets all nine criteria as outlined in the diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders. but the label gets us only so far. mary goes on to detail how she says she leaked her own family's financial documents to the "new york times" in effort to expose her uncle. quote, it was just beginning to get dark when i pulled into my driveway. the three reporters were waiting for me. when i showed them the boxes, there were hugs all around. it was the happiest i had felt in months. it wasn't enough for me to volunteer at an organization
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helping syrian refugees. i had to take donald down. donald trump and his family have been fighting tooth and nail to make sure that this book does not see the light of day. his brother robert requested a temporary restraining order to block publication, weirdly enough, from his hospital bed. but a new york judge allowed the book to proceed. and it has to do with the fear that mary trump, as the best expert you can get on donald trump, his own relative, to tear down the false image trump has created. because so many working-class white voters believed it, helped make him president. here's just one example. >> i went to an ivy league college. i'm a very intelligent person. so here i am, great schools, great brain, great success. i went to an ivy league school. i'm very highly educated. i know words. i have the best words. i was a good student.
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i always hear about the elite, you know, the elite. i went to better schools than they did. i was a better student than they were. i was first in my class at the wharton school of finance. they say there's donald trump, an intellectual, trust me, i'm like a smart person. the elite. more elite than me? i have better everything than they have, including this. >> yeah, really, mr. president? really? you're so smart? not according to mary trump's book you're not. the incredible details she alleges about the president cheating his way into school is coming up next. along with somebody who knows all about trump's intellectual capabilities, the co-author of "the art of the deal" tony schwartz back in a moment. ttle . draw the line with roundup. ttle . the sure shot wand extends with a protective shield to target weeds precisely and kill them right down to the root. roundup brand. trusted for over 40 years.
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welcome back. well, donald trump's narrative is that he is a self-made superman who's smarter and better educated than everybody else. but a new book from his own
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niece suggests what everyone but his base has already figured out, he's a fraud. in mary trump's new book, she accuses him of being a cheater as far back as high school. quote, aware of the wharton school's reputation, donald trump set his sights on the university of pennsylvania. unfortunately, even though his sister had been doing his homework for him, she couldn't take his tests. and donald worried that his grade point average would skutle his efforts to get accepted. mary trump also portrays her uncle as a traumatized rich kid with daddy issues calling him a clinical narcissist. i am joined now by tony schwartz who co-authored trump's "the art of the deal." let me read you one of the claims that mary trump makes in this book that's not come out yet but it's leaking. his personality, and it says
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here that he is a socio path, and she's a clinical psychologist. his personality served his father's purpose. that's what sociopaths do. they co-opt others and use them toward their own ends, ruthlessly and efficiently with no tolerance for dissent or resistance. she is basically saying both the dad and donald are sociopaths. you met the father. is that your experience? >> well, by the time i met fred sr., he was pretty far down the road with alzheimer's. so, i didn't have the experience -- that experience of him. but i got it from donald himself. he often acknowledged to me that his father was rough and tough and abusive and difficult. he wouldn't have used the word abusive because he wouldn't have been comfortable saying that,
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but it was the impression that i certainly took away. and it really is a long lineage because his grandfather who, you know, illegally tried to leave germany twice or go back to germany was himself a pretty questionable human being. >> yeah. i think he might've been involved in some form of prostitution in alaska. we have an interesting lineage. did he ever talk about the father attended a clan rally? we'll move on. here is mary trump. >> no. >> he did not talk about that? okay. mary trump also claims that her aunt, maryanne trump called donald trump a clown and didn't think that he could get elected. here is that little bit. he's a clown my aunt said during our regular lunches at the time. this will never happen, i agreed. we talked about his reputation as a faded reality star and failed businessman would doom
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his run. does anyone believe this that he's a self-made man? what has he accomplished on his own? well, he had five bankruptcies, dot, dot, dot. i mean, how would somebody like donald trump, and i know it was partly through the book that he wrote with you, trick so many people into believing he was such a good businessman when he was so bad at business? >> it's back to psychopathy. they are essentially the same diagnosis. and a sociopath has no conscience and has no empathy. that's trump. and as a consequence, he could say anything and do anything. his psychopathy made it possible for him to tell a story over and over again that wasn't true without any guilt or shame until essentially it's like humpty
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dump ty. you keep pushing and pushing and finally we're seeing him start to go down. i really do see what they would call in psychology a decompensation over the last two months with trump. he's lost his political instincts. he's lost his sense of what will play even for his base or certainly for anybody who's on the fringe of his base. so, i think mary trump is one more nail in the coffin. >> yeah. the thing about what donald trump is doing now is that, as you said, the things that he think will play. he's assuming that with white voters, all you have to do is just dangle lots and lots of racism and hate in front of them. it's a horrible thing to think about your own supporters that you think that all they care about is reconstructing the antebellum south and, you know, going back to the slavery era. it's a terrible thing he thinks about the people, you know, who
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support him because he assumes they're all racist, i guess. >> he has one gear, joy. and that gear is to arouse fear. and if it doesn't seem to work, then he pushes it harder. and that's what he's doing right now. he is hammering harder on something even though it is no longer in his interest to do so. so i think, you know, i think we're seeing a trump for whom the world -- the lifetime of lies and inventions and fictions and hideous behavior is finally catching up. >> yeah. >> it's called karma. it just took a long time to get there. >> do you believe the cheating story? >> oh, of course. as i said today, there is no chance that donald trump could've gotten into a decent
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four-year college without his father's money and having somebody else take his s.a.t.s. we don't know about what his iq is. but what we do know is he's incapable of paying attention. and, as a result, he is ignorant. so he couldn't comport himself in a good way. >> lastly before we go, stephanie winston who was the first lady loyal confidant is supposedly also writing a book. donald trump demands loyalty. that's what he wants the most. he's getting a weird kind of loyalty from republicans. but behind the scenes, they're all talking about him. they're all trashing him behind the scenes. is there anyone in his life who actually is loyal to him? >> well, yes. the three or four hostages that he has whose names are donald, ivanka, eric, and, perhaps one of the other two kids, who don't
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want to lose what they think is their father's love. they are loyal to him because they have to be. but they know absolutely as well as you and i do that this is a very, very bad man. >> yeah. fascinating stuff. tony schwartz, thank you so much for helping us unpack it. i really appreciate always you being here. protesters in bloomington, indiana, after a black man was attacked by a group of white men who threatened to lynch him. we'll hear from bloomington's mayor next. next save 40%! safe drivers save 40%!!! that's safe drivers save 40%. it is, that's safe drivers save 40%. - he's right there. - it's him! safe drivers do save 40%. click or call for a quote today. i felt like i was justthis constantly cleaning up his hair. then, i got my paws on the swiffer sweeper. it's a game changer. these heavy duty dry cloths pick up a crazy amount of hair! this is all you. we stopped cleaning and started swiffering.
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they started dragging me towards the tree, got me pinned down, and pounding on my body. it was -- you could feel the anger and the intent to try to hurt me. >> get a noose. those are the words that he said he heard a group of white men yell as they attacked him over the fourth of july weekend near bloom bloomington, indiana. booker calls it an attempted lynching. he says the group accused him and a friend of trespassing on private property, before beating him and yelling other racial slurs. booker credits a group of bystanders who intervened with saving his life. they began filming the incident. take a look. >> let him go, dude. let him go. let him go, please. let him go.
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please let him go. >> no, you go. >> we're going to. >> get the [ bleep ] out of here! >> let him go. >> indiana authorities say that they are investigating. blooming t ington major john ha said -- >> mayor hamilton, you know mr. booker. how long have you known him? >> i have known vox for five years at least, i think. >> and when this happened, the thing for a lot of people, somebody sent me the facebook post that he created, and it was alarming to watch it happen. and watching the hostility that you saw by those men attacking 13
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somebody who is an upstanding member of the community, it surprised me nobody was arrested. do you understand why there were no arrests here? >> i think that's a very good question, why there were no arrests. one of the questions we would ask is if the races had been reversed in this situation, and a large group of african-americans had beaten the only white in the whole area around them, what would have happened? i can say at this point, we are committed to make sure that the justice system works. i've been in touch with the federal system and the local system, and while i may differ on what should have happened that night, we want to make sure that justice is done for mr. booker. >> hopefully there is an opportunity that there may be some arrests. ed that they succeeded, he could have been lynched right there in the woods, no? >> i tell you, i watched the video. it was heart wrenching and
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scary, terrifying, just to watch the video. so absolutely. we do not know what would have happened if the friends, witnesses, those who stood with him had not been there. it's frigtdenning to think about. >> there was a rally on monday in support of mr. booker. one of the things that happened at that rally is somebody hit one of the ralliers with a car, drove into some of the demonstrators, which is a thing that we've seen the racist far right do. we saw it happen in charlottesville, virginia. has anybody been arrested in that incident? there you can see the person that was hit taken to the hospital. have there been any arrests in that incident? >> you know, it's a small city. i knew the woman who was hit, as well. no, there has not been an arrest made. we are very actively pursuing with the information that we have, and i expect we will apprehend that person and proceed appropriately with them. it was a scary night, and i'm
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glad no one was worse hurt, and we're going to take every action we should to hold them responsible for what they did. >> we know that every police has a history. we're not trying to characterize everything about bloomington, but bloomington has a very active klan membership in the 1920s and the '60s. about 23% of all native born white men in monroe county, not far from bloomington, were in the klan as of 1920. so there has been a lot of that kind of racist activity there, you know, between the 1920s and the 1960s. those people that were racist and klansman have kids and those kids are walking around here. do you have a problem in bloomington with open racism, klan membership, that kind of thing? >> well, look, bloomington is 200 years old. for most of that history, we were legally racist.
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we had racist laws. we had structural racism still present in our community. we're a very progressive, liberal college town now, but those legacies still exist. we have very aggressive reporting of biases. we have biases every year of people reaching out and doing the wrong thing and it's really important. you know, the covid virus has hit a lot of us. we have a social virus of racism that's been around for centuries and it's still here. >> there's also some policing issues. there was a black man stopped last week by police walking in his own neighborhood. are you looking at your police department, as well? >> well, let me be clear, that was done not by my police department but our neighboring sheriff's department. the point is this, absolutely every police department and every law enforcement agency in the country, we ought to be asking questions. we believe very strongly in
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transparency, accountability, training and all those things. everyone should be asking questions about all our law enforcement to make sure we get better. >> thank you so much for being so open about all that. bloomington, indiana mayor john hamilton, thank you so much. we'll be right back. uch. we'll be right back. usaa is made for what's next no matter what challenges life throws at you, we're always here to help with fast response and great service and it doesn't stop there we're also here to help look ahead that's why we're helping members catch up by spreading any missed usaa insurance payments over the next twelve months
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