people that institutions have to satisfy. a little of political rhetoric -- so i'm empathetic to that, but plans right now are really just to manage our anxiety. none of us are able to predict what the virus would do. >> yep. >> and i think that is especially important to keep in mind when we also can't predict what our president will do. so we have -- >> we don't know what the -- professor cottom who has that greater book "lower ed," thank you so much for making the time tonight. >> thank you. >> that is "all in" for this evening. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris. thank you, my friend. much appreciated. thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. covid haircut number two. do not judge. all right.

this is on page 106, right at the start of chapter 8. quote, i sat at the dining room table with the shoe in front of me, trying to figure out what the point of it was. i had looked through the remaining boxes under the tree, thinking that perhaps the shoe's twin had been wrapped separately, but, no, there was just the one. a gold lame shoe with a four-inch heel filled with hard candy. both the individual candies and the shoe itself were wrapped in cellophane. where had this come from, i wondered? had it been a door prize or a party favor from a luncheon. donald come through the pantry from the kitchen. as he passed me, he asked, what's that? i said, it's a present from you. really, he said. he looked at it for a second. ivana! he shouted into the foyer.

she was standing on the other side of the living room near the continues tree. ivana. what is it, donald? this is great. she pointed at the shoe and she smiled. maybe he thought it was real gold. retail, $12. my very first christmas present from donald and his new wife, ivana. that same year that had given my brother fritz a leather-bound journal. it look as if it was meant for somebody older, but it was really nice. i felt a bit slighted, until we realized the journal was two years out of date. well, at least the underwear they gave me wouldn't expire. the president has been trying like mad to make this book not appear in print. but here it is. a bunch of other journalists, including me, got an advanced copy today. i read the whole thing cover to cover, including the prolog, the epilog and the acknowledgements.

the book is called "too much and never enough: how my family created the world's most dangerous man" and it's a family story. the president is one of five siblings. there were three boys and two girls in his family. his two older sisters are elizabeth and marianne. more on marianne in a second. the president also has a younger brother whose name is robert. you might have seen robert in the news recently because it was in robert's name that basically the president has tried to stop this book from being published by using his first -- his anti-first amendment lawyer to bring a lawsuit against this book's publisher. we'll have more on that in a minute as well. but the president also once upon a time had an older brother as well an older brother named fred who died years ago at the age of 42 after years of alcoholism. well, fred's daughter, mary, who is now 55 years old. she has a phd in clinical skoj,

her name is mary trump and she is the authorize everer of this book that comes out next week. i can tell you tonight what is in it because i am no, ma'am baurgded from telling you some of what i have read here. so i'm going to tell you some of what i've read here. you know, honestly, a lot of it is a family portrait, like the story about the random gold lame shoe. what's that? it's my present from you. and, you know, family portraits can be either just weird or maybe interesting, depending on your level of interest in that particular family. but when the family member in question here is now the president of the united states, who is currently at the helm of i think what is inarguably the most disastrous presidency in modern american history. a family portrait of him and how he became who he is and who he has long been, it can send a chill down your spine, even when it's also sometimes funny. for example, given the

president's current somewhat terrifying relationship with the u.s. military, which recently includes him ordering what he called heavily armed u.s. troops into u.s. streets to deploy against u.s. civilians and, you know, him requesting military parades in his own honor. given the unnerving nature of his relationship with the u.s. military, it is additionally unnerving to read the family story version of him and the military and how that touches, perhaps, on these current concerns. on page 169 of mary trump's new book, it is a little bit unnerving to read about how the president threatened to disown his own son if his son joined the military. quote, when my brother fritz and i pointed out that all our cousins would still benefit from the will, our uncle rob, robert trump, the president's younger brother, told us, quote, any of them could be disowned at any time. donny, meaning donald trump jr.,

was going to join the army or some bs like that and donald and ivana told him if he did, they'd disown him in a second. the president threatening to disown his son if he joined the military. casts a -- casts a shadow, looms a little bit over what we understand about his bizarre relationship with the military and his perception of their -- their role in his administration. i guess is the nice way to put it. now that he's president. then there's the family lore and the lived experience of the author. when it comes to our president's feelings about women and the way he talks about women and what he think is important about women. and this is, i guess, in keeping with a lot of other things that we have learned about him over the time, but still, it's additionally unnerving. this is from page 150 of the book. quote, the next day, i spent the morning exploring the property. there were no other guests, so the entire place felt empty and strangely quiet.

i took a quick swim before lunch which was scheduled to 1:00 p.m. as formal as mar-a-lago was in some ways, it was also much more casual than our usual family gathering places, so i felt comfortable wearing a bathing suit and a pair of shorts to lunch, which was being served on the patio. donald, who was wearing golf clothes, looked up at me as i approached as if he'd never really seen me before. holy bleep, mary, you're stacked. she was his niece. he had known her since birth. holy bleep, mary, you're stacked. the reason that mary trump was at mar-a-lago for that bar d y little scene in the book is because the president had asked his niece to ghost write one of his books for him, which was to be called "the art of the comeback" and mary trump details in chapter 9 of the book the difficulty she had in trying to prep material for writing that book because even though she

describes being set up with an office inside trump tower and getting basically full access to the operations of the trump organization, even though she was even invited to listen in on speaker phone to lots of mr. trump's phone calls that he was on all day, she says she could never actually figure out what he did in terms of work. he didn't really seem to do any work. so she couldn't figure out exactly what she was going to write about him. what she thought was going to be her saving grace for ghost writing this book came when her uncle donald trump volunteered to her that he had started writing something for the book himself and she could use it. she says he was very excited about it. quote, one night as i sat at home trying to figure out how to december together something vaguely interesting out of the uninteresting documents i had been pouring over, donald called. he said, when you come into the office tomorrow, rhona's going to have some pages for you. i've been working on material for the book. it's really good.

he sounded excited. finally i might have something to work with. some idea about how to organize this thing. i still didn't know what he thought about his comeback or how he ran his business or even what role he played in the deals that he was currently developing, but the next day, rhona handed me a manila envelope containing about 10 typewritten pages, as promised. i took it to my desk and began to read. when i finished, i wasn't sure what to think. it was clearly a transcript of a recording donald had made, which explained its stream of consciousness quality. what it was was an aggrieved compendium of women he had -- that madonna, the pop star, chewed gum in a way that donald found unattractive. katarina whit, she had big calves.

mary trump concludes that chapter by saying, quote, i stopped asking him for an interview. this theme about how the president talks and thinks about women extends in weird fashion, even to other members of his immediate family. at the very beginning of the book, retreated to a scene where the author, mary trump, the president's niece, is among a number of trump family members who are invited to the white house for a family dinner in the spring of 2017 just a couple of months after the president was first inaugurated. at that dinner at the white house, the president surrounded by his surviving siblings and his nieces and nephews and his own children and their spouses, the president, according to mary trump, says this. quote, then, diet coke glass in hand, donald made some perfunctory remarks about my aunts' birthdays, which we were celebrating. afterwards he gestured towards

his daughter-in-law. lara, there, he said, i barrel even knew who the f she was, honestly, but then she gave a great speech during a campaign in georgia supporting me. by then, lara and eric had been together for almost eight years. yeah, who the heck is that? my daughter-in-law. i didn't even know who the "f" she was, honestly. mary trump's telling. he doesn't say "f," he spells out or says the "f" word. i didn't know who the "f" she was, honestly. he says this in front of the whole family, in front of his to whom this young woman is married, and says it to her. i didn't know who the "f" she was until he gave this speech about him and then he noticed her. there is also a bizarre scene in which the author, the president's niece, mary trump, is introduced for the first time to the president's third wife, to the current -- the current first lady melania trump. and the way in which that scene

is bizarre is because in mary trump's telling, the president lies about his niece. he lies -- tells a big weird lie about mary trump. right in front of mary trump. right in front of her. he lies about her while introducing her to his new wife. he tells mrs. trump, melania, that his niece mary had a terrible drug problem. that she has bounced back from. and mary says, she said in the moment, whoa, no, no, no, i've never done drugs in my whole life, but he continues and he continues to insist that she had a terrible drug problem that she bounced back from. and he continues to insist this in front of her. she says, quote, he slid me a look and smiled. he was embellishing the story for effect and he knew that i knew it. it's a fairly close member of the president's family. who has just written this book that in part is about, like, if

there's sort of a theme in the book, it's definitely a psychological analysis of the president and his father and how he became the type of person that he is, but the -- the sort of plot point that you keep coming back to in, like, every anecdote about him, both with the family and in dealing with the public and in business, is just about how easily he lies and that he will do so for any effect. and in this part of her family's history, she's suggesting that he does it basically for pleasure. that it's one of the ways he enjoys himself, is to tell lies, even in front of the people about whom those lies are being told and continuing to do it, even though the -- at least one of the people present while he's telling the lie knows he's doing so. he likes it. it's unnerving, right? it's unnerving, you know, in a pandemic when that's the president. did you see today that he started hyping hydroxychloroquine again from the white house as a coronavirus miracle cure?

does that give him pleasure? mary trump says again, he slid me a look and smiled. knowing that he was lying and knowing that i knew it. since the book started sneaking out from under wraps today, if you have heard one thing about it, you may have heard the allegation that mary trump makes that the president paid somebody to take his s.a.t. test to get him into college. here's how that is spelled out in the book. quote, since september 1964, donald had been living at his parents' house and commuting 30 minutes to fordham university in the bronx. his attendance at which he would avoid mentioning in the years to come. donald was determined to secure a degree commensurate with his new ambitions at his father's company, even if it only secured him bragging rights. aware of the reputation of the wharton school of business at the university of pennsylvania, donald set his sights on uh pen. unfortunately, though, even

though his older sister marianne had been doing his home work for him at fordham, she couldn't take his tests and donald worried that his grade point average, which put him far from the top of the class, would scuttle his efforts to get accepted at penn. to hedge his bets, he enlisted joe sharp row to take his s.a.t.s for him. that was much easier to pull off in the days before photo i.d.s and computerized records. donald, who never lacked for funds, paid his buddy well. now, it should be noted that the white house is vehemently denying that the president paid somebody to take his s.a.t.s. it should also be noted that the president has gone to great lengths to make sure that his transcripts and all other records from his schooling have been all kept secret. from high school and college and all the rest of it. so even the ambient details here are hard to check. but as -- as for his sister marianne, who mary trump says did his home work for him when he was in college.

mary trump also alleges that donald trump pulled political strings to get his older sister marianne appointed as a federal judge. she recounts how donald trump had his personal lawyer at the time, roy cohn, call and lobby reagan attorney general ed meese that his older sister should be nominated to the federal bench and she, of course, was. got a federal seat and became a fairly respected appellate court judge in the federal judiciary. but that brings us to some of the most interesting stuff here of all. and, honestly, on to something that we're waiting on right now from the u.s. supreme court in a decision that could come as soon as tomorrow. it has always struck me as one of the great overlooked jaw-droppers of the scandal-ridden trump era. that just one of the things that's happened since he's been in office is that his older sister, federal judge maryanne

trump berry really did have to give up her lifetime seat on the federal bench in order to avoid a judicial ethics inquiry into a massive multimillion dollar alleged years-long tax fraud scheme that she reportedly engaged in with her family, including with her brother, who is the sitting president. i mean, we don't even think of that as one of the trump scandals, but, like, that's bigger than any other presidential scandal of my lifetime. it's one of the forgotten scandals of this presidency. i mean, you know, there was billy carter, right, there was roger clinton, there was -- what was the. neil bush. there are presidential sibling embarrassments, but since when has a presidential sibling had to resign from the judiciary to avoid scrutiny of the things she did with the president with taxes and their family money? this is from page 193 of the

balk book. i met with maryanne, her on the, the. 's older sister, i met with maryanne again shortly after the article ran. she denied all of it. she was just a girl, after all, she said, when a piece of paper requiring her signature had been put in front of her, she signed it no questions asked. she said, this article goes back 60 years. you know that's before i was a judge. she said this as if the investigation had also ended 60 years before. she seemed unconcerned that there would be any repercussions. although a court inquiry had been opened into her alleged conduct, all she had to do to put an end to that was retire as a judge. which she did. thereby retaining her $200,000 a year judicial pension. well, the article in question, mary trump says i met with her again shortly after the article ran. the article in question, the one that caused the president's sister to resign her lifetime appointment as a judge because that was the only way she could

preclude the judiciary from running an inquiry into what she allegedly did, the article in question, of course, was the pulitzer prize-winning gigantic investigation into the president's financial past that "the new york times" published in october of 2018. that is where we learned from t"the times" dogged reporting ad a ton of documents they exclusively retained, that's where we learned that the president had received hundreds of millions of dollars from his father, not the $1 million loan that he had long publicly claim claimed was his sole inheritance from his father. that's when we learned the president and his family running this reported scheme by which they systematically undervalued their assets to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars basically to cheat on paying taxes. that's where we learned that the president and his family created -- went so far as to create a fake company to siphon money out of their father's company

without having to pay taxes on it. the scheme worked by marking up building and construction costs, but then president trump and his siblings reportedly just pocketed the difference without ever paying any tax on that money. that reporting from "the new york times" is also in part how mary trump, the author of this new book, learned that the settlement she and her brother agreed to concerning the trumps' father's estate, that's how she learned that the settlement she and her brother agreed to regarding that estate undervalued that estate by hundreds of millions of dollars. thereby, she says, cheating her and her brother out of millions of dollars of their share of it. she also says that fraud, that deliberate undervaluing of the father's estate, is itself a fraud that means that she doesn't have to abide by the confidentiality agreement that she signed as part of that settlement. that confidentiality agreement is part of how they are trying to stop her from publishing this

book. she said, yeah, i signed it, but i signed it as part over a deal that was a fraud because we've learned from "the new york times" and other reporting, thanks to documents that i gave them, that the estate that was being settled by me signing that piece of paper was being drastically misrepresented as a way of cheating me. so am i going to abide by the confidentiality agreement? no, i'm not. i'm publishing my book. and whether a restraining order pursuant to that confidentiality agreement still applies to her is still being litigated. but the book itself now is in journalists' hands. and, you know, family lore, family legend, family grudges, family fights about money, you know, take it for what it is. but the reporting on this particular family's fortune and the reporting on the family tax schemes and the reporting on whether or not the president and his family engaged in a massive

and potentially ongoing federal tax fraud that is the real source of the president's purported fortune, and his purported fortune is the entire basis of his political persona. well, that stuff is not family lore. that is real solid reporting. and we now know, per mary trump's book, we now know by her own account that she was a major source for that reporting that won the pulitzer prize in "the new york times." you know, so screw over your family members for years and decades. and, sure, maybe it's all fun for you and profit in the short term. but it's all fun and profit until that family member you've been screwing over for years and decades finally decides to open the door to a really good reporter who is standing there on their doorstep. and that part of the story and that really good reporter joins us live. stay with us. ated: a bad mood related to a sluggish gut.

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okay. when the supreme court ruling comes out tomorrow or next week some time about whether or not subpoenas can be used to obtain the president's tax returns and finances, that's when you're going to want to start reading from page 185 of mary trump's new book. i'll give you a head start. quote, a couple of months after my aunts' april 2017 birthday party at the white house, i was in my living room lacing up my sneakers when the front doorbell rang. i don't know why i answered it. i almost never did. 75% of the time it was a jehovah's witness or mormon missionary. but i opened the door and when i opened the door, only thing that registered was that the woman standing there with her shock of curly blonde hair and dark rimmed glasses was somebody i didn't know. her khakis, button down shirt and messenger bag placed her out of place in rockville center. hi, my name is suzanne craig, i'm a reporter for "the new york

times." journalists stopped contacting me a long time with the exception of david corn from "mother jones" the only person to leave a message before the election had been from "inside edition." why would anybody want to hear from me now? the futility of it annoyed me, so i said it is so not cool that you're showing up at my house. she said, i understand. i'm sorry. but we're working on a very important story about your family's finances, and we think you could really help us. i said, i can't talk to you. she said, at least take my card. if you change your mine, you can call me any time. i said, i don't talk to reporters, but i took her card anyway. a few weeks later, i fractured my left foot. for the next four months i was a prisoner in my own home. my foot elevated at all times as i sat on the couch. i received a letter from suzanne craig reiterating her belief that i had documents that could help rewrite the history of the president of the united states, as she put it.

i ignored her letter, but she persisted. after a month of sitting on the couch scrolling through twitter with the news constantly on in the background, i watched in real time as donald shredded norms, endangered alliances and tyrod upon the vulnerable. the only thing about it that surprised me was the increasing number of people willing to enable him. as i watched our democracy disintegrating and people's lives unraveling because of my uncle's policies, i kipt thinking about suzanne craig's letter. i found her business card and i called her. i told her that i wanted to help, but i no longer had any documents relating to our lawsuit years before. she told me, jack bernosky might have them. the lawyer they used when they sued over the terms of the trump lawyers will. ten days later i was on my way to jack barnosky's office. bitterly cold air pushed between

them across the wide open space of the enormous parking lot. after i found a spot it took me ten minutes to get to the lobby on my crutches. and i negotiated the escalator and the marble floors very carefully. by the time arrived at my destination, i was tired and overheated. 30 bankers' boxes lined the two walls and filled a book shelf. the room's only other contents were a desk and a chair. jack's secretary kindly put out a pad of paper, a pen and some paper clips. i dropped my bag, leaned my crutches against the wall and half fell into the chair. none of the boxes was labelled. i had no idea where to start it. required wheeling around the room on my chair and lifting boxes on to the desk while standing on one leg. when jack stopped by, i was flushed and soaking wet. he reminded me that i couldn't take any documents out of the room. he said, they belong to your brother, too, and i need his permission, which wasn't at all true. when he turned to leave, i

called after him, jack, wait a second, can you remind me why we decided to settle the lawsuit? he said, well, you were getting concerned about the costs. as you know, we don't take cases on contingency. although we knew they were lying to us, it was he said/she said. besides, your grandfather's estate was only worth $30 million. it was almost word for word what he had told me when i had last seen him almost 20 years earlier during the lawsuit for trump's father's will. i told him, okay, thanks. i was holding in my hands documents that proved my grandfather's estate had actually been close to $1 billion, $1 million when he died. i just didn't know it yet. after i was sure jack had gone, i grabbed copies of my grandfather's wills, floppy disks with all the depositions from the lawsuits and some of my grandfather's bank records, all of which i was legally entitled to as part of the lawsuit. i stuffed them into my bags. she dropped off a burner phone so we could communicate more

securely going forward. we weren't taking any chances. i methodically went through every box and discovered there were two copies of everything. i mentioned the fact to jack's secretary and suggested it obviated the need to get my brother's permission which was a relief since i didn't want to involve him. i would leave a full set of the documents for him in the unlikely event he ever wanted one. i was just beginning to look for the materials "the times" wanted when i got the message from jack, i could take whatever i wanted as long as i left another copy. i hasn't been prepared for that. i planned to meet suzanne craig and her colleagues. i had plans to meet them at my house at 1:00 with whatever i managed to smuggle out. i texted sue with the news that i'd be late. at 3:00, not 1:00, i drove to the loading dock beneath the building and 19 boxes were loaded into the back of the borrow trucked i had borrowed because i couldn't work the clutch in my own car. remember, she had a broken foot. it was just beginning to get

dark when i pulled into my own driveway. the three reporters were waiting for me in david's suv which sported a pair of reindeer antlers and a huge red nose wired to the grill. when i showed them the boxes, there were hugs all around. it was the happiest i'd felt in months. it had been a head-spinning few weeks. i hadn't fully grasped how much of a risk i was taking. if anyone in my family found out what i was doing, there would be repercussions. i knew how vindictive they were. anything would pale in comparison to what they had already done. i finally felt as if i'd be able to make a difference after all. while they were working on the article, "the times" reporters invited me to join them for a tour of my grandfather's properties. still adorned with its antlers and red nose at the jamaica train stations, we started at the highlander, the building where i'd grown up. over the course of the day we traversed snow drifts and patches of ice.

after nine hours we still hadn't managed to see all of it. i traded in my crutches for a cane by then but i was still exhausted mentally and physically when i got home. i tried to make sense of what i'd seen, i always knew my grandfather owned buildings. my own father had apparently owned 20% of some of these buildings i had never heard of before. on october 2nd, 2018, "the new york times" published an almost 14,000-word article, the longest in its history, revealing the long litany of potentially fraudulent and criminal activities that my grandfather and my aunts and my uncles, including the president, had engaged in. through the extraordinary reporting of "the times" team, i learned more about my family's finances than i had ever known. again, mary trump only believes she is able to publish this book and able to speak about it because she thinks the confidentiality agreement that she signed in settling that lawsuit with her family 20 years ago and null and void because that settlement was a fraud

because the family was materially misrepresenting the size of the estate in order to cheat her and her brother out of millions of dollars. it should also be noted that the president's finances, including his tax returns, are the subject of a supreme court case upon which we could get a ruling as soon as tomorrow as to whether or not congressional investigators and new york state prosecutors can access that material and review it for ongoing investigations of the president. suzanne craig from "the new york times" joins us live next. why is that? is it because people love filling out forms? maybe they like checking with their supervisor to see how much vacation time they have. or sending corporate their expense reports. i'll let you in on a little secret. they don't. by empowering employees to manage their own tasks, paycom frees you to focus on the business of business. to learn more, visit paycom.com

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the investigation that "the new york times" published in late 2018 into donald trump's finances and his family's finances would go on to win a pulitzer prize with an exclamation point. that report revealed the extent to which the president's money really had come from the fortune his father left him and not through his own work in business. an inherited fortune that "the times" reported was inflated

through, quote, dubious tax schemes and, quote, instances of outright fraud that president trump carried out along with his siblings. that report led, among other things, to the president's older sister, maryanne, stepping down from a lifetime seat as a federal judge so as to avoid an ethics inquiry into her finances, but now in a blockbuster new book, mary trump, the president's niece, says that she was a source for "the times" in that report. i should also mention that mary trump incidental also quotes a lot of really nasty things that the president's retired judge older sister has to say about him since the time he started running for president and since he has been in the oval office. but now we are awaiting a ruling any day now from the united states supreme court on whether the president's financial records and taxes have to be turned over to state investigators in new york and congressional investigators. and while we await that, and while we start to appreciate the

-- the -- how financial entanglements and fights like that can lead to all sorts of dubious and, well, all sorts of -- all sorts of interesting family lore. that "new york times" opus remains the best key that we have to understanding how our president got his money and whether his supposed business fortune really may have been the product of a long-running criminal scheme along with members of his family. joining us now is suzanne craig, investigative reporter for "the new york times" and with her colleagues, winner of the pulitzer for that investigation of the trump family finances. suzanne craig, thanks so much for making time for us tonight. i'm really glad you could do so. >> thanks for having me. >> so i would never ask you about your sources. and i'm not going to tonight. but mary trump in this book is volunteering that she was a source of yours and provided you and your colleagues with documents for your reports. i do just have to ask, as she recounts this part of her family

saga and what she -- what she learned and what she understands about her family and money and own states in all this, cousin it comport with your own reporting and what you and your colleagues found at "the times"? >> i mean, it's interesting because, you know, we spent 18 months going through it and we learned a lot about sort of how the trumps think about finances, and one of the things that mary trump brings up in her book is appraisals, and i think we learned pretty quickly when we started to go through both the confidential documents that we had obtain and public documents, you start to see how they treat appraisals, and when they have something that's charitable, the appraisal goes really high so they can get the tax deduction. when they have something that they want to lower their tax bill on, the appraisal goes lower. so there's definitely a lot of things that happened that we saw that went to appraisals, and we looked at, you know, a number of things that they did over years that had to do largely with low appraisals so they could avoid -- avoid taxes.

>> part of the fight over the publication of this book, which officially comes out next week, is whether or not mary trump is bound by a confidentiality agreement she signed as part of a court settlement over the settlement of the president's father's gigantic estate. she's fighting that by saying, listen, the settlement of that estate was itself fraudulent because assets within the -- her grandfather's estate were systematically undervalued so as to cheat her and her brother out of their fair share. that seems to be keeping in patterns with the way you described the estate and the assets of the trump organization in general were treated by the president and his siblings. >> well, when i think about this, i break it up into two pieces. one is i think, you know, fred trump died and a lot of things went into his will and ended up in probate and it sort of looked like he was worth $30 million.

so when mary trump and her brother saw that, they probably thought that's his estate, but in fact, in the previous years in '96 and '97, donald trump and his siblings pretty much took out everything that donald trump houff or fred trump, their father, owned and put it into trusts. so when fred and mary actually see what's gone into probate court after their grandfather dies is really the carcass of what he owned, which was hundreds of millions of dollars. so the value that ended up there was maybe 30 million and they had a separate suit there where they were saying that their aunts and uncles took advantage of fred trump and, you know, diminished what -- basically got them disinherited. they had poisoned his mind is one point. so there's sort of that -- just the impression that they were left with and then their fight to get, you know, just were they disinherited or not and what role did their aunts and uncles

play? but also you have, you know, when they go to settle, their aunts and uncles, they came to an agreement and fred and mary signed over actually what they inherited in 1981. part of what mary trump talks about in the book is the threats that were made, you know, during that process to get them to sign it over. and there was definitely appraisals involved all throughout, and i think that this is going to continue to play out in the courts, you know, going forward. it's already, you know, in front of a court right now as she struggles to get out of the, you know, so-called nda that she's in where she can't talk. suzanne, after the opus that you published in "the times" for which you won the pulitzer, you subsequently reported that new york regulators, new york investigators were looking into the tax schemes that you and your colleagues reported at "the times." we obviously are now awaiting supreme court ruling as to whether or not new york

investigators can subpoena the president's financial records. that's there along with a similar question about whether or not congressional investigators can look at the president's tax returns. is there anything that you can tell us tonight in terms of your understanding, your reporting about those investigations and whether or not the president and his family is potentially in trouble for any of the stuff that you guys were able to report out? >> i mean, we haven't seen a lot of tractions on the city and state investigations that started out. i mean, something still may come of it, but we haven't, and i think what we're going to see tomorrow, potentially tomorrow, you know, it's going to be one morning in the next few weeks, is whether or not the tax returns will be turned over, either to a, you know, prosecutors in new york and also to congressional investigators. so there's kind of two things going on there. and i don't know how that's going to land, but it's separate from the work that we did, which was, you know, other investigations that could be going on. >> susanne craig, pulitzer

prize-winning investigative reporter at "the new york times," thank you so much for your time tonight and i'm grateful to mary trump for the vivid display of how you do your work and how you persuaded her to -- to -- to provide this material. it's a fascinating window into how you work. thank you so much, susanne. >> it was a bit of a movie scene, so thanks for the reading. >> i appreciate it. all right. you know what? i'm never going to be in the movies. this is as close as i get. i read stuff on tv and imagine myself there. all right. more ahead here tonight. stay with us. i don't have silent. everyone does -- right up here. it happens to all of us. we buy a new home, and we turn into our parents. what i do is help new homeowners overcome this. what is that, an adjustable spanner? good choice, steve. okay, don't forget you're not assisting him. you hired him. if you have nowhere to sit, you have too many. who else reads books about submarines? my dad. yeah. oh, those are -- progressive can't protect you from becoming your parents, but we can protect your home and auto when you bundle with us. look at that.

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california is one of the large states that is having a large surge in coronavirus cases and hospitalizations right now. arizona, of course, is in terrible shape right now. texas is in terrible shape. florida is starting to get really terrible really fast. all three of those states are now having hospitals overrun while their case numbers and hospitalization numbers keep climbing every day. it's scary. but california is having a real

problem, too. here's something really specific that's going wrong in california that was not just like a bad situation that arose from the mire of this epidemic. in california, part of their big problem right now was a single screw-up. a bad mistake that has now set off what is really a disaster. here's what happened. by mid april, one of the largest state prisons in california had a big coronavirus outbreak. it started with just a handful of cases in chino at the state prison but soon became dozens of cases. at the time, there were more than 4200 men imprisoned at chino, nearly 20% more than the prison was built to handle. correctional facilities, and specifically overcrowded correctional facilities like chino was, just a hot bed for any contagious illness or outbreak. so when they knew that in mid

april, it was no wonder by may, coronavirus had just run through every dorm used to house prisoners at chino. by the end of may, there were 635 confirmed cases at chino. nine men dead. given the crisis they had on their hands, the state department of corrections, along with the state attorney general, decided they would transfer a bunch of prisoners out of that priszon and send them to other prisons in the state. one of those prisons was the infamous prison just north of san francisco called san quinten. at the time, san quinten had been doing very well in beating back the epidemic. so well, in fact, that at the time, san quentin had no infections. san quinten had no coronavirus infections in march, in april, and in may. but then came this influx of prisoners from chino, which had a terrible problem there. more than 120 prisoners were

transferred from chino to that facility at san quinten. they had all been tested at some point before transfer, but it wasn't likely were particularly sticklers for timing. many of the prisoners hadn't been tested for coronavirus for up to a month before they got sent from chino to this new prison at san quinten. so within days, they get the signs of their first infections. in the month or so since their transfers, san quentin has become the largest coronavirus outbreak in california. there have been more than 1500 confirmed cases at san quinten alone, and at least six deaths. three of them just this weekend. and amidst this huge spike in more than 1500 cases at san quinten, now the top medical officer for prisons has been fired. and now with the virus having

spread unabated throughout san quinten, there's no wonder a lot of people are worried on a lot of different levels, starting, of course, with the prisoners. and with their families. recently, we had the chance to speak with the mother of one prisoner at san quinten. she told us this about her son's cellmate testing positive and how her son is living now.

>> that last point raised by ms. zavala is a critical one. it's the -- it's not just the number of men dying at san quinten that is the cause for alarm, it's the huge number of prisoners positive now who are requiring medical care, and they're requiring advanced medical care, which means they're getting it within the whole local care system. some hospitals within reaching distance of san quinten have become so taxed by prisoners filling up their icus, they're no longer accepting transfers of california state prisoners to their facilities. one local doctor told our nbc

news affiliate in san francisco, that san quinten is the chernobyl of covid. it's one thing to look at prison outbreaks as a story about prisoners and their fate and whether, in fact, a sentence to imprisonment should de facto become a sentence of death. this particular prison outbreak, caused by the state, is a serious problem for coronavirus in the whole state. yes, it's problem for prisoners and staff, yes, it's a problem for families of prisoners and staff, but it's a problem for everybody. san quinten is now the little engine that could in terms of pumping out the virus in california and taxing the abilities of northern california hospitals. nowhere is that being felt more acutely than marin county. two weeks ago the president of the county board of supervisors rang the alarm bell about the toll the outbreak was taking on the county. she asked the state for help in

getting this thing under control, not only so the prisoners could get the care they need, but so the local hospital system could with stand the huge stresses they are under, because the largest outbreak in the state is in that prison. they sent out that cry for help two weeks ago. this weekend, marin county sent a couple of new coronavirus records and the engine for the coronavirus is the prison. we'll have more on this tomorrow. watch this space. is space [♪]

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i have landed in the real estate of my colleague, and so i shall now take my leave. that's going to do it for me. now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell." good evening, lawrence. >> oh, come on, 20 seconds into the real estate. thank you, rachel. so you got the book, the book. and could you hold it up one more time.