list. because these career staffers did not get rid of the list, you avoid a tragic situation, of destroying a critical linkage between the parents and children. >> when it's all over, there's going to be 100 and a thousand, and ten thousand stories like this. that are going to come out. it's just, we already know a lot of them, but, but, what has gone on, the cruelty and the efforts that people stand up to it, is going to be the story of this administration. separated inside an american tragedy is out now, and i hope you pick it up. thank you for all this, jacob, i really appreciate it. that is "all in" for the evening, the rachel maddow show starts right now. >> much appreciated, thank you, my friend. and thank you for joining us this hour, happy to have you here. one of the hallmarks of this scandal-ridden time in our national life, one of the

hallmarks of this unprecedentedly scandal-ridden presidency is unfortunately that very serious things, very shocking things even, tend to just pass by. even the most serious things, they just pass by. i mean, the president's campaign chairman was sent to prison. the president's deputy campaign chairman was also sent to prison. the president's self-named charity was shut down as an ongoing criminal enterprise and his children are hence forth restricted by law from even being soerassociated with chari. the president's university was shut down as a scam and he to pay $25 million to settle fraud claims against it. and you know, it's easy to forget, but the president was impeached and yes, then thepresident retaliated against all of the witnesses that testified in the impeachment

hearings. he intervened to change the fbi pl plans for the headquarters building to benefit his downtown washington, d.c. hotel. the president's sister had to resign a judge, she and the president benefitted from, in terms of the family fortune they both inherited. she gave up her lifetime appointment as a judge so that would not account looked at. the president's cabinet secretaries and high level appointees, national security advisers, defense secretaries. white house chiefs of staff, white house communications directors. they have all basically run screaming from the white house woo warning publicly how dangerous he is to be near the presidency. even now, he is randoming supporting a so-called miracle cure of the coronavirus, saying

he is taking it and you should too. it's by the way, killing some people. those endorsements of his miracle cure were both before and after he suggested that maybe americans should ingest disinfectants to clean out the virus from inside our bodies. i mean,s in the president who put the guy who gave jeffrey epstein his get out of jail free card in the cabinet. remember alexacosta, he put his son's wedding planner in charge of federal housing in the northeast united states. in the past do you mean of weeks, we were hold that he w was -- he did nothing about it at all. he was offered a menu of possible acts of retaliation against russia, and he chose on this menu, i will do nothing. these things just pass by. i mean, it's quite literally

hard to keep track of them. it's my job to keep track of them. it's hard to keep track of them. it's the president who pressured the post office to go after amazon, because he does not like the way the newspaper owned by the amazon guy covers him in is presidency. he fired an inspector general, among many he fired. he fired one that was investigating the secretary of state and his wife, and he fired that inspector general because the secretary of state asked him too. of course, that is kosher, he tried to get the g-7 meeting held at his golf club in florida. he advertised his wife's jewelry line on the white house website. complete with the trademark note. this president apparently believes that frederick douglas is still alive. and that the statue of a random bronco rider in his office is teddy roosevelt. this is the president who randomly took a surprise emergency trip to walter read military hospital and won't say what is for.

he changed a hurricane forecast in to one that he liked better than the real one and then made the national weather service say they agreed with his made-up version. where do you begin had? these things like, just pick a week he has been in office, or running for office. throw a dart, you can name something like this. right, along these lines. any individual one of the things would be among the biggest scandals if not the biggest scandal to ever afflict any other presidency. but by virtue of the shear number of scandals that surround him like flies around pig pen, these have just become part of what we expect, right? we have a momentary shock and new level of interest and then we wait for the next one. they all just pass by. and the most common reason they get pushed off the front page is because another newer scandal comes along to squeeze them out. it's exhausting, and inervating

and bizarre and occasionally hilarious, and terrifying of what is the normals of our country and what we are going to rely on to prosecute corruption in the future when he has gotten away with this. b we have been doing it long enough, that one of the things we are now learning that even when the scandals pass by, they do often come back around. a lot of these sort of hooalf tales. and here is one, where the tale wraps around from the way trump was elected in the first place. from there to now, at the end of the presidential term. right up through the election in which the american people are either going to re-elect him or elect joe biden instead. part of the way we got this president, part of the way he was elected was not just a scandal, but a crime.

federal prosecutors in new york say, that he directed the commission of a felony scheme by which illegal contributions were made to his campaign in the form of hundred-s of thousands of dollars in payments that were made to two women, to stop those women from speaking publically before the election about them allegedly having affairs with the president. the president was identified as individual one in this scheme, the person who prosecutors say directed the commission of the felonies and obviously he was the person who benefitted from the felonies. when his personal lawyer who made the payments on behalf of the president was pleading guilty to multiple felonies in conjunction with this case, the president's lawyer made it more explicit. in open court, singling on out the president by name as the person who directed and organized the commission of those crimes. since all that went down, we have since learned that trump attorney general william barr, as soon as he was sworn in

inserted himself in the case, he went to new york and tried to basically derail the prosecution of the hush money case, he badgered the prosecutor on every element of it. the prosecutors had requested interviews and information from the president's business in conjunction with that case. but around the time that attorney general william barr started inserting himself in to what those prosecutors were doing, they let the requests to the president drop. they never followed up on them. they let the case languish, other that be what was happening to michael cohen. when federal prosecutors in the office announced months later that they would not be doing any more investigating around the hush money thing, they would not be charging anybody else with any crime with the hush money thing, it would be michael cohen alone getting in trouble for it. even though prosecutors admitted that he did not benefit for the crime, he did the crime for the benefit of the president, at the direction of the president. even though the business was

used as a false front for the money and involved a lot of people as part of the scheme. federal prosecutors said it was only michael cohen who was going to have to do time or be charged with it. when federal prosecutors made that announcement about a year ago now, this time last summer, it caused worry if attorney general william barr had protected the president and his interests. when sdny announced that they had dropped everything other than the michael cohen prosecution, the hush money thing was dead, it sparked worry that attorney general william barr intervened and now we know he did. it led to eruption, and expressions of anger from a whole different prosecutor's office, bougecause apparently te

were not just federal, but state prosecutors in new york state who really wanted to investigate the crimes as potential violations of state law as well. right, these illegal payments to the two women, to benefit a candidate for office, a secret scheme involving a whole bunch of different people and a new york business, the president's business, essentially laundering the payments and disguising them as legitimate business and legal expenses which they were not. federal prosecutors pursued that to the point of pursuing michael cohen and dropping everything else. but state prosecutors were interested in pursuing potential criminal charges there as a state matter. when both federal and state prosecutors were interested in those circumstances, as potential federal and state crimes the federal prosecutors in sdny pulled rank and told the federal prosecutors to back off, which they did. then the way sdny handled it though, was they only prosecuted michael cohen and for months oo after they sat on the case and

did nothing and then a long time later, they announced in a footnote in a filing with the court that they were dropping the entire note with no further action. when that happened this time last year, there was this eruption. the state prosecutors were furious, you know, we think we have our own case to miake here. you told us to back off, we did, and then you sat on it and dropped it? and did nothing? why didn't you let us go? if you were going to drop this, why didn't you tell us? we have got work to do here. well, within two weeks of the federal prosecutors saying we are not going to do anything else here. the furious state prosecutors in new york had filed their own subpoenas and were firing away in their own investigation. making up for all the lost time. they subpoenaed the trump organization, the president's business, they subpoenaed the accounting firm, that did the finances of the trump organization. and meanwhile, michael cohen decided to make the terrain

potentially much richer for the state prosecutors, not just on the hush money case, where he provided all of this new stuff, you know, he turned up look, checks to pay the hush money signed by the president, and another signed by the president's son, thank you michael cohen. he not only bolstered the record of those crimes, the crimes for which he was the only one who federal prosecutors wanted to put in jail. cohen also dragged up a bunch of other stuff. he testified publically and provided documentation from his time at the trump organization that alleged and appeared to depict sustained and systemic fraud by the president in his business dealings. falsifying the value of properties and to false identify the taxes on those properties. and to get insurance policies

under false financial pretenses. otherwise known as criminal bank fraud and criminal insurance fraud. crimes for which new york prosecutors happen to be very good and experienced in getting convictions in state court. and as far as we know, state prosecutors did pick up criminal investigations involving those alleged actions by the president and his business. starting as early as late last summer. not to mention the trailing issue of those hush money payments and who else was involved besides michael cohen, who directed the commission of the crimes whether the president in fact used his new york business to create fraudulent business records to cover up the crimes. we know the state pewters subpoe -- state prosecutors subpoenaed the business. we know the specifics from court documents. we know the terms of the subpoena to the president's accounting firm. and it is a, it is a doozie, look at all that. but, that, that doozie of a

subpoena that is attached to that reported investigation, that's what the u.s. supreme court said today would go ahead. and i know you have heard a lot today about the two supreme court cases involving the president's tax returns and financial records and what you have heard is that the rulings both went against him in both instances. 7-2 rulings against him in both instances and in favor of the subpoenas going ahead. and you also heard that all that happens practically is that the cases go back down to the lower courts and that means more time will be spend on these cases. so no investigators are likely to see any of his tax returns or financial records until after the election for sure. well, that's what everyone is talking about over the course of today since the rulings came out today. i'm no expert and no lawyer, we will get expert help on it in a moment. what you heard today about these

supreme court cases, what you heard today about how the president lost in principal, but practically these rulings mean he is safe until after the november election. no investigators will see any of this potentially incriminating stuff. that to me seems quite clearly true of one of the two cases that the supreme court decided today. about the case involving subpoenas from congress. and we will talk about it in detail later on in the hour. but in the other case, in the case involving that one big lengthy detailed subpoena from new york state prosecutors, i think that one, it isn't so clear as to when that one may resolve and when it may bear fruit if investigators find things that are incriminating that result in them wanting to bring criminal charges. what the court said, that there's no magic presidential immunity from the legal process, as richard nixon had to hand over the tapes.

even though he was president and bill clinton had to give his deposition, donald trump cannot proclaim that evidence of his criminality is off limits from the legal process because he is president. he can be investigated. he is subject to a subpoena, like any of the rest of us. and yes, in the case of the state prosecutors subpoena for his had, the president's financial records in new york, yes, the supreme court did kick it back down to the lower courts in new york. but, the specifics here matter. what they kicked that thing back to the lower courts for, is so the president can have a chance now to fight that subpoena on the same terms that any average run of the mill citizen might fight a subpoena like that. and that is not necessarily something that has to drag on for months and years until well after the election is over and we have all forgotten about what it's about.

yes, the supreme court's ruling today means that the president can go to the lower courts in new york now, and try to fight this subpoena. but he will be doing so just as a normal citizen might fight a subpoena. it's not the most complex legal fight in the world to do it. subjects of criminal investigation do it all the time. and per the supreme court's ruling today, he is not due to get any special treatment in the way he fights this thing. the supreme court effectively said today that he cannot get special treatment. i mean, what, what a new york court will now have to handle thanks to the supreme court ruling is the legitimacy straight forward single subpoena, and what appears to be a straight forward state fraud corruption investigation of a man that happens to be the president of the united, but the supreme court said is 100% subject to the processes of criminal law as if he is a regular citizen.

the hush money scandal that put his attorney in prison. the alleged fraud that covered up other serious crimes. these are but a handful of what is it? hundreds, thousands of trump corruption scandals that have splattered on to the american windshield like we are driving through a swarm of may flies on a hot night. these particular scandals, at least the hush money crimes, they really are a part of how he became president. and it turns out, thank you united states supreme court, that these are trump scandals that have long tails. these ones have not gonna way after all. the supreme court in the normal course of events would leave this ruling effectively sort of simmering until it's cleared off its dockett now. they leave it simmering for 25 days before anybody can act on it. before the prosecutors can get it going in the lower new york

courts to fight the president over the terms of the subpoena once and for all. the prosecutors hoping to prevail, whereupon they get the documents. under the normal course of events they are supposed to wait 25 days before they get the documents but they may try to go faster. they can can file a motion to accelerate the opinion in to the docket to get it fast tracked to start the fight over the subpoena, that should not take forever to resolve. that will be the first thing to watch. watch to see if they do that. other elements of this are live as well, to the exat the present time that there may have been inappropriate pressure brought to bear on the prosecutors in sdny, from william barr to protect the president and the president's interests, the prosecutor that was ousted by william barr was up testifying about that handling of matters concerning the president during

his time at the helm mam of the justice department. and to the extent that michael cohen does not want to be the scapegoat and be the only person prosecuted for this crime. i will tell you, as the supreme court rulings came down today, 10:00 a.m. eastern, journalistic circles were abuzz with the expectation that michael cohen may speak today. he is temporarily out of prison because of the coronavirus concerns. for today's purposes that is what you need to know. he has been out. because of covid concerns. and there was an expectation today that he would make a statement about the ongoing case and the supreme court ruling that the president could in fact be subpoenaed in an investigation that appears to be relate today to michael cohen's case. well, before that could happen, you will note, we didn't get any sort of statement from

michael cohen h, before that cod happen, the bureau of prisons said is that michael cohen will no longer be out, he is being remand back to custody, in a document dated today. the bureau of prisons said that michael cohen would not' agree to not talk to the media and that was a condition of had his -- of his release and he has gone back to prison. there are so many scandals of this presidency is, it's hard to keep all of them in mind. some of them are not past if there's accountability for some of the things that are not just bad, they are crimes. that bottom line is what the supreme court said today, affirming 7-2 that the president is not above the law, the

question is whether the b accountability comes in time to make a difference in his political future. in the case of the state prosecutors that is a legitimate h ly open question. we all know and the prosecutors in the case know that more than anything the president wants to run out the clock, they know that and now they are running too. game on. joining us now is michael, an investigative reporter for the new york times and previously an investigative junioriournalist is a author of "the fixers," thank you for making time for us on this busy night. >> thank you. thank you, thanks for having me. >> let me start by asking you if there, in all the reporting that you have done about the hush-money case and the michael

cohen case, has it seemed to you that there's a state prosecutor's case to pursue here in any element of that scandal? >> very potentially because it was really obvious once we learned about how michael cohen was repaid for the stormy daniels payment after the election, in the sense that the trump organization created a phony scheme to give him back the 130,000 that he paid stormy in addition to other money and also for taxes that he would have to pay disguising it as legal services. which, the federal prosecutors said he never provided. so, invoices we have discussed this before, you know, that it was all put in to place with a fake scheme. so, there's implications for business records. for tax violations, all sorts of things that the district attorney in manhattan can look

at. >> and michael, given the scope of the subpoena to the accounting firm here, that was the subject of the ruling today, what would you expect the manhattan da to see if he is ultimately able to execute this subpoena and get a hold of the materials. what would you expect it to reveal to him that might be relevant to a potential prosecution here? >> well, so, they did also subpoena the trump organization last year and the trump organization was already providing records. so, if this is the president's personal tax returns, potentially he made the payments to michael cohen for legal services so, if he is now again, i'm speculating, but if he theoretically claimed legal services as an expense, it was a phony expense, a tax deduction that did not exist, you can see them making a case for some sort of a tax fraud a in connection with that. i don't know. but they would want to look at

how he accounted for that. how he claimed that, and any correlation with the trump organization and how, what their records show and essentially whether there was any misstatements or any crimes that were covered up. >> from your reporting, michael, to what extend are we, should we be thinking about this as potentially legal jeopardy for the president after he is left office. verse potential legal jeopardy for the president while he is still in office? i mean, part of the issue is how fast the lower courts can act now that the supreme court sort of gave the go ahead today. but part of the issue is whether or not state prosecutors would feel constrained in terms of what they can potentially le ll against the president while he is still in office. >> there's a question, you know, i think that would apply to

state prosecutors as it does to federal prosecutors over whether you charge the president while he is in office and that's a different question than whether you can subpoena the president, which is the one that the supreme court addressed today. and then, you have also, the issue that there's four months until the election, and if the president were to lose in november, you have like, you know, half a year until he is out of office. if he wins, you know, he would be in office for another four years after that. so, i think just because of the speed inform it would take to resolve the usuals you were raising by the subpoena and then actually an investigation to do an investigation, bring charges, and you know, the idea that we, you don't, prosecutors don't generally want to be seen as bringing a prosecution that could be seen to influence an election, in my opinion, it's unlikely that you would see any prosecution before november, it certainly, if they were to find something absolutely after he is

out of office, if he were to lose in november, i would say, depending on what they find, he definitely could be in jeopardy then. >> michael rothfeld, investigator reporter for new york times and one of the seminole reporters from the beginning of the story, good to have you here, thank you. >> thank you. >> much more ahead tonight, busy, busy night, stay with us. (brad) apartments-dot-com makes getting into a new home

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the president got out of bed this morning with all of his exclamation points out. presidential harassment! prosecutorial misconduct! that started before the supreme court handed town the rulings against him, which made me wonder whether or not somebody tipped him off as to how they were going. the supreme court ruling among other things cleared the way for a state prosecutor in new york to get access to -- to access

the president's financial records which he has worked desperately for years to try to keep secret. now, so, if, if much of earth one saw that ruling from the supreme court today as a loss for the president, like the president clearly did this morning with all of his exclamation points. the president's representatives decided later in the day that they would take a completely different tone. trump attorney jay seculow announced that he is pleased with what the court had done, and the u.s. press secretary called it a win. said she was quote pleased by the, and i quote, 9-0 opinion to send this back to the lower court in new york. it was unanimous, amazing. which is hilarious that is not actually how this works. here's what actually was amazingly unanimous news on earth one today.

both of the cases as i said were 7-2 ruling. but in the rulings the court made clear that all nine of the justices, all nine agree that the president does not have what he has been calling absolute immunity from the legal system. chief justice john roberts writing, quote, we cannot conclude that absolute immunity is necessary or appropriate under article ii or the supremacy clause, and our dissenting colleagues agree. which is true. justices writing, that the president does not possess absolute immunity from a state subpoena. now the president can fight the new york subpoena in the courts like a normal citizen could, fine. but he is not immune from it because he is president and he says he is immune, which is what he has been saying since getting in to office. we will see how the rest of the fight plays out in the judicial system, it's the presidency where the president went in the

court at every level and said, i'm absolutely immune. not only will i tell you during the campaign, i can stand on fifth avenue and shoot someone and it would not hurt me at all. he a lawyer go in court and say that on his behalf and the supreme court said unanimously no. and what did that mean for the donald trump presidency and for the presidency itself? joining us now is a presidential historian that i miss dearly. it's great to see you, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you, rachel, wonderful to see you. >> let me just ask, there are not very many supreme court moments where the scope of the presidency is ruled upon in clear pointed fashion in a way that casts a -- for future presidencies, what did you make of the rulings? >> i'm feeling better tonight than i did this morning. i feel safer and all americans

should feel the same way, because, you know, modern presidents as you and i have discussed a lot of times, i think they had too much power and the problem is worse now because we have a president, donald trump who has authoritarian ambitions, and god knows what he would do if he did not have constraints. so, we are relying on the judicial branch and the supreme court. so the supreme court just as you have said, rachel, sometimes you know, gets in to this. 1952, harry truman said, i'm seizing the steel mills because there's a changer of a steel strike that might jeopardize the korean war. supreme court said forget it, you cannot do it, 6-3. it's unconstitutional, truman was furious, and he said, how could the liberals on the court do this to me. u.s. v nixon, the nixon tapes, the supreme court said you have to give up your tapes. there's an investigation of possible crimes and here, today,

we now have this ruling that was 7-2 in which the supreme court stood up to donald trump and maybe most important of all, that included gorsuch and cavanaugh, his two appointees, and trump may have thought, i gave them their jobs and they would protect me and they didn't do it. and i think we should feel much better. >> in terms of how it is perceived, i think the president's critics, wanted even more mor more, it's the issue of timing, both of the cases, the subpoenas from congress and the subpoenas from the state prosecutors they go back to lower courts for the president to fight against the subpoenas there, and is there something important in terms of the speed with which the courts resolve things, when it's an

important related to a president, or criminal matter. have the courts in the past shown the ability to move more quickly than we might otherwise expect? >> oh, sure they do. summer of 1974, supreme court moved in record time to resolve u.s. v nixon on the tapes, we remember bush v gore, when the supreme court was very fast in resolving that. you know, we have a judicial process that when speed is necessary, we often see it happen. michael, you are the only other person that i know who has a ladder in your library. i'm looking over your left shoulder. you have a really nice very fancy antique arm chair. >> thank you, i promise -- yes, there's shelves above that, nothing but books. nothing exciting unfortunately. >> we both have library ladders. now i know why i love you so.

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the supreme court ruling today in trump v vance district attorney, that is one of cases that we have been watching involving his financial records and tax returns that he has tried to keep secret throughout his presidency. and the other was a subpoena for the president's records, that was by congress. both were kicked down to lower

courts to do more work. but there's argue ably some reason to expect the case involving state prosecutors in new york may move fast, it may shake loose something interesting, in terms of investigations and prosecutions. and what about the case involving congress, nobody has any expectation that it will produce new information about the president's financial history. potential crimes, not for months, certainly not before the election. where does that leave congresses? where does it leave the house? i have just the person to ask. joining us now is daniel goldman. he will also recognize him from his stint at general council at the house intelligence committee during the impeachment of president trump. it's good to see you, thank you for making time tonight. it's great to be here, rachel, thanks for having me. >> i spent a long time thinking about and talking about what happened with the new york prosecutors case. that the supreme court ruled on

today. i have a less, a less of an understanding in terms of what the implications are, of the case involving congress. what do you think of the courts ruling and what do you think people should know about it? >> well, it's interesting, and the court, and chief justice roberts adopted neither of the parties proposed tests. trump wanted a very specific demanding test for congress to meet before asking for any presidential papers. and congress said, as long as it related to a valid legislative purpose fine, and it does not overly burden the president. and chief justice roberts took the middle and said, there's a legitimate need for congress to get information that may include the presidential papers, but congress does need to make a more specific showing but not a very demanding and prescriptive

showing that was in the case against nixon. it goes back down, there's subpoenas at issue and three different committees, essentially the district court in all of the cases will analyze the factors that chief justice roberts enumerated and make a determination if these subpoenas meet the four factors. so it's generally a win for congress in the sense that, the president cannot prevent a third party from turning over his papers. but, it will require congress to do a little bit more work, and to make the, their need very specific or at least more specific than it would have been. >> dan, given the way that this has played out. both in today's ruling specifically but also, in terms of how it fits in to the larger project of trying to get accountability for the president for his behavior, accountability

for him for any potential crimes he has been involved in. when you look back at the course of this from had ththis point, think the house should have acted more quickly who in a way that was simpler and more unified, anything else that they should have done better than they did? >> i don't really think so. this is the first case of this sort that has ever gone to the supreme court. and the reason is, that ordinarily, the congress works it out and figure out an accomodation. but president trump has taken a defiance position in regard to all subpoenas and document requests effectively from congress. that has never happened before. it had to work its way through the court and the opinion that came down today in the case will now guide future discussions between the branches, will guide courts to make these determinations and it will likely not get to the supreme

court again very soon. but, you know, the, there have been plenty of people, including on your show tonight, including you, rachel and i hate to pour cold water on any hopes, the courts don't move fast. they can move fooast as we know from nixon and bush v gore, but we are 15 months after we issued this subpoena, the house intelligence committee and the other congressional committees issued this subpoena, and we just got a ruling today and now it goes back to the district court in both cases and you can bet that the president and his lawyers are going to come up with every reason under the sun why both, in both cases in the grand jury and congress case that these are not legitimate subpoenas. and we are not going to see these tax returns before the election, i don't think that the district attorney will get them before the election at all. and courts are reluctant to rule on political issues before an election, prosecutors are reluctant ever to charge cases before an election. so what has happened is the

president, president trump has escaped accountability by delaying through litigation, and in other words, even though he lost both cases today, he wins by losing because the delay will prevent the public from seeing his tax returns through the course of two election cycles. >> justice delayed, justice denied. that is not cold water, that is expertise, and it's why you are here. dan goldman, it's good to see you, thank you for helping us understand this tonight, really appreciate it. >> thanks for having me, rachel. >> all right, coming up next, a look at the worst national road show ever in american history. stay with us. (vo) the time is coming for us to get out and go again.

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economy, but it each happening. it's keeps happening. for as much as a failure as the president's rally in tulsa was last month, he managed to get 6,000 people together for an indoor space for the event. it was the most space anywhere in america since the coronavirus crisis bekbagabegan. older maskless people shouting at the top of their lungs, the trump ratcheted people up on purpose. they thought they had put those stickers onner other seat in the whole arena to establish some social distancing because the rally goers. but in the hourings before the president got there, his campaign ordered that all of those stickers should be removed, should be taken off every other seat. at the same time, the campaign was directing folks to just huddle up, get to know your

neighbor's virus. we learned that six advanced staffers for that event, including two secret service employees tested positive. herman kaine, yes, that guy, he was actually hospitalized after coming down with coronavirus just days after the president's tulsa rally not wearing a mask. herman cain is still in the hospital. we wish him in the best. the top health official in tulsa is saying the surge of cases, he says it's, quote, more than likely a result of the president's rally. fresh off that success in tulsa, the president of course in short order held another indoor event, this one for 3,000 people in phoenix, arizona. multiple secret service agents assigned to that event tested positive as well. in fact, the virus really tore through the ranks of secret service agents working on

presidential and vice presidential events. he had to postpone his plan to the city. cnn reported that at least eight secret service agents were holed up in a single hotel in phoenix with flu-like coronavirus symptoms after prepping for pence's visit. why quit while you're ahead? trump and company then decamped to south dakota for a no masks, no social distancing event at mount rushmore before the first fireworks went off, we learned that donald trump jr.'s girlfriend had also been diagnosed with the virus. the announce came just hours after she had held an indoor unmasked fundraiser with south dakota's republican governor. south dakota for that big event. so this is the national road show that the president is doing right now. there aren't any other big con yes g events of any kind anywhere in

the country. it is just events for the president. and so it's not going great, but he added a new destination. the president scheduled a rally this saturday for new hampshire, portsmith, new hampshire. if you are in new hampshire, this is the last thing you need right now. there are according to "the new york times" only two states in the union where the number of coronavirus cases is actually decreasing. there are two in the country, vermont and new hampshire. but now the president is coming to down. well, it will be interesting to see how long they are able to hold on to that status, despite the president's best efforts to turn that around. watch this space. watch this space

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thanks for being with us here tonight. i will see you again tomorrow night. now it is time for "the last word" the lawrence o'donnell. >> i am about to say to you the single most self-grand diezing thing i've ever said to you in public, so not counting all those other things i said. and it's going to be -- it's going to be right in the first half of the next sentence i speak. are you ready? >> uh-huh. >> the second time i saw hamilton sitting right i