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good afternoon, i'm alicia menendez. after spending much of his 3.5 years in office trying to displdi dismantle the daca program, president trump will have a new provision for 700,000 dreamers. trump says the administration will unveil the plan in the coming weeks. >> we're working out the legal complexities now. i'm going to be signing a very major immigration bill as an executive order. one of the aspects of the bill is going to be daca. we're going to have a road to citizenship. >> with me is jose diaz balart, the saturday anchor for "weekend nightly news." it is so good to see you, jose.

there is a piece of your interview, your exclusive interview with the president, that i want to play for our audience. take a listen. >> daca is going to be just fine. we're putting it in, but it's going to be fine. i'm going to be over the next weeks signing an immigration bill that a lot of people don't know about it. you have breaking news. i'm signing a big immigration bill. >> an executive order? >> i'm going to do a big executive order. i have the power as president. and i'm going to make daca a part of it. but we put it in, and we're probably going to be taking it out. we're working out the legal complexities right now. >> okay, a lot going on there, jose. you have the president talking about an executive order, talking about a bill. what did you make of that exchange? >> yeah, the exchange actually goes on for a little bit longer because i was confused at the beginning as to what exactly he was referring to because he said i'll be signing a bill, i then asked are you speaking about a

congressional bill or speaking about an executive order, he then said it will be an executive order. he referred to that executive order subsquebtsly as a bill -- subsequently as a bill. what he said unequivocally is in this executive order that he would be signing in the next four weeks, he said, a broader immigration executive order based on merit, his words. that would include the 750,000 people that right now have daca. daca as you know has to be continually redone every two years. it is not a pathway to citizenship. and so the president added that these 750,000 people who currently are under daca would have a pathway to citizenship. the white house almost immediately after this aired yesterday on telemundo said it would be an executive order on immigration, but that there would be no amnesty. the word amnesty, of course, is a loaded word for all sides.

so are we talking about a possible pathway to citizenship that doesn't include a blanket amnesty? possible. but that's what the president said. those are his words. >> advocates who for the past three years have watched this president try to dismantle the daca program, of course very frustrated after watching this interview. where does this exchange leave daca recipients? >> not only has he tried to do it, he eliminated daca. one of the first things he did was eliminate daca. the supreme court said that the way he tried to eliminate it was not constitutional, so therefore, early on the president had said that he planned to re-file with the supreme court to eliminate daca. so the question is, is this executive order that he plans to present within the next four weeks, is that going to be overriding any kind of daca provision that he was planning

to re-file with the supreme court? that's what it seemed to be. the president was very clear, though, yesterday, in this interview, that he was going to be signing an executive order on immigration. that daca would be in there, and there would be a pathway to citizenship. >> so jose, i wonder what you made of the timing of that announcement. of his choosing to make that announcement in his interview with you. >> i'm not a very good analyst or crystal ball viewer. i'll tell you what, he was coming to florida, i interviewed him yesterday at southern command. he had a meeting there with southern command to talk about the latin american hemisphere. and so he wanted to i guess take the opportunity to talk about this issue. that, according to him, he had not told anybody else until yesterday. so he chose to do it yesterday. we saw that right after that interview was held a couple of hours later, he made some other

presidential decisions. and so i don't know why he did it. i'll tell you that we're going to stay closely watching this and his words because if in four weeks he indeed does have an executive order that deals with daca it would be very significant. we're not going to let this go. >> all right. thank you for your time. check out more of jose's exclusive interview with president trump tonight on nbc's saturday edition of "nightly news." i want to bring in founder and publisher of "latinos rebels" and nbc contributor. also with me, the president of vota latina and msnbc contributor. maria, i want to start with you. what do you make of the president's remarks and the timing of those remark as it relates to both daca and to a potential larger immigration effort? >> well, one of the things that he also announced, that

announced on friday, that they are going to create a six-week citizen academy where you're going to teach everyday citizens how to arrest undocumented immigrants and how to identify them. this speaks so much of where we are at this moment, where the president speaks out of two sides of his mouth and has not only rhetoric but policies to back up that he is anti-american. i say anti-american because he's going against the roots of who we are as a country, that we identify ourselves as an immigrant community and an immigrant country, and it's that strength. he went to court saying that president obama did not have the jurisdiction to create immigration policy under an executive ordinance. what makes his executive order different if he's going to be tackling the same thing he said that president obama could not do? so again, i would keep our eyes on the ball. we're -- you know, close to 100 days away from election. he recognize that's he's under water in the latino community

and our allies do not feel that he is, again, american by embracing us all. so it's electoral talk. but his substance, again, the idea that he's creating a citizens academy for under i.c.e. should send chills up every single person's spine right now. >> julio, an electoral strategy. yet the american electorate is not on his side when it comes to daca. and we saw a loss for him on this question at the supreme court. you also see now business leaders coming out and asking the president to leave daca alone, saying that it would have catastrophic economic fallout from it. that it would also be horrible in the wake of this pandemic where you have a number of these daca recipients on the front lines trying to respond as health care providers in other capacity. to say nothing of the moral quandary of keeping people's lives in limbo, why not just say, hey, we're almost 100 days away from an election, i'm going to complete to not touching

daca? >> because it's what it is. there is all about electoral politics. it i am still -- the clip that you played, i'm still trying to figure it out. you know, i admire jose diaz balart so much, and i don't think he could have answered -- when you asked him -- i don't know what the president is saying now. i agree with maria teresa. while this shiny let's save daca ball is all of a sudden done here, it's a clear electoral move. he just wants, i don't know. a couple of latino voters to kind of go with him to say like, hey, no, he's going to save daca so we're good. this i.c.e. academy, i mean, did people read that memo? i mean, is this like 1939? are we living in a different country? i mean, especially in the sense. a global pandemic, latinos are disproportionately suffering. the unemployment rate is still at 27%.

i am so confused. in the end -- >> the interview with the president, there's also a meeting at the white house where you have the ceo of goya foods making some remarks that created quite a stir. take a listen. >> we're all truly blessed at the same time to have a leader like president trump who is a builder. and that's what my grandfather did, he came to this country to build, to grow, to prosper. and so we have an incredible builder, and we pray, we pray for our leadership, our president, and we pray for our country that we will continue to prosper and to grow. >> what is the significance of what he said and the response

that you've seen both from the latino community and communities across this country? >> this is the thing -- goya foods has made their billion-dollar industry on the latino community, on immigrant families, with an understanding that they buy goya foods because they want to have some foothold, some remembrance of their homelanhome homeland. when he says the president is a great leader, he's referring to himself not as a latinos but the fact that he belongs to that 1% of billionaires. he's disconnected from the reality of millions of latinos around the country but as a whole. we are living in devastating times where unemployment is reaching depression-era displacement because -- >> we're truly blessed to have a leader like president trump who is a builder.

and that's what -- >> goya is -- >> finish up, maria -- >> the tape was playing. so the bottom line is that we are right now living in devastating times. for anybody to say that the president is the greatest leader of all time, he is trying to -- he's not claiming the truth. he's basically trying to put, you know, put -- put a smokescreen is on what is actually happening. we have massive unemployment. we have a pandemic. and sadly, we have a health crisis on our hands. this president, all he's done is fumble and push the ball to the next court. we have children in cages. we have individuals right now that recognize that the police department needs to be re-evaluated because we have had massive civil unrest under this president who has not been able to guide us to opportunity of what -- what a country would look like with his leadership for the next four years. instead, his completely failed spolgs. for goya's president to speak of

him as the greatest president of our time speaks only to the people who are actually becoming rich in this moment. and those are the individuals making money off of this pandemic in a very limited way. and it's not actually reaching the rest of the country. >> all right. julruljulio and maria, thank yo. next, a little over 100 days until the november election, and no solid plan on how americans will beaib able to cast their ballots safely. later in the hour, president trump at odds with members of his own justice department over his decision to commute roger stone's sentence. we'll tell you what they're saying about it today. saying about it today. ke they pd the wrong getaway driver. they're going to be paying for this for a long time. they will, but with accident forgiveness allstate won't raise your rates just because of an accident, even if it's your fault. cut! sonny. was that good? line! the desert never lies. isn't that what i said? no you were talking about allstate and insurance.

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there are just 115 days until election day, and there's still no clear decision on how this election will be carried out amid a global pandemic. with me now is stacey abrams, the founder of fair fight which promotes fair elections. she's also the author of "our time is now: power, purpose, and the fight for a fair america." i have to ask you about news that is circulating this week. what does it mean for the integrity of our elections that roger stone, someone who was convicted of obstructing congress' investigation into a foreign power's meddling in the 2016 election, has been granted clemency by the president of the united states? >> i think it means that donald trump has proven yet again as he does on an almost daily basis that he lacks the moral

character to lead the united states, that he lacks the integrity to hold any high office, and that this election is going to be a referendum on whether we want to continue to be led by a coward or if we want a man of courage like joe biden to be the next president of the united states. >> we have so many big stories that are happening right now. i mean, you look at this crisis, the coronavirus and how it is sweeping this country, you look at the economic fallout of that, the way in which it is hitting communities of color especially hard. you look at the protests we're watching across the country in the face of racial inequality and police brutality. and you argue that you see voting rights as a string, a thread that connects all of these stories together. how? >> because the ability to shape the future, to recover from the public health crisis that is the pandemic, to restore our economy and actually make certain that that recovery affects all of the affected communities, especially

communities of color that are disproportionately being affected not only by the contraction of the disease and death but also by the economic collapse that has become a part of this narrative. the only way we start to build the super structure of justice that we have to have to combat the systemic racism and systemic inequities that have undergirded conversations about law enforcement and criminal justice writ large, the only path in a democracy is to vote out those who do not care about our people and to vote into office those who are willing to take action. and i want people to understand that this is going to take time. voting is a process. it is vote after vote after vote as you elect people who hear you and see you, as you remove those who lied about what they would do when they got into office and as we support those who do their best to make changes real. that means we have to have elections that are free and fair, and that means we have to ensure that in 2020 we can elect the people that we need. >> so what needs to happen

between now and november to ensure that that is possible? >> there are three things we need to do. number one, we need the u.s. senate to take action on the heroes act. the united states has delegated to each state the authority to administer elections which means that the responsibility for funding those elections is a joint project in the midst of a crisis. the united states needs to pass the heroes act so that $3.6 billion can go to the states to scale up their capacity to meet this moment, particularly through vote by mail. we have watched the collapse of our voting process in georgia, in texas, in kentucky, across the country. we have seen that as the processes change, we have to meet the moment. we need that money. woe also need the guardrails that states like wisconsin don't become a cautionary tale for people being forced to risk their lives because they're not permitted to use vote by mail. we also cannot forget the u.s. census. and that is as integral to this election season as anything else

because the census is going to decide who gets elected in the next election and the election after that for the next decade. our choices will be constrained or expanded by the census, so we have to not only think about voting as the act of casting a ballot but the participation and the record of who was here in america so we can have the leadership we deserve. >> leader abrams, you are crystal clear in "our time is now" that even if a democrat, even if joe biden is elected in november national parks is not the end of the work. -- not the end of the work, that is the beginning of the work not only for joe biden and his team but for the american electorate. what does that work like like for an american who cast their vote in november, how do they then continue to show up throughout the course of his would-be presidency? >> first we have to make certain that when people cast a vote for vice president joe biden to become our next president that they vote all the way down the ballot. that they vote not only for federal elections but for state and local elections. because many of the questions of justice are decided not in the

white house but at the mayor's level, at the county commission level, at the state legislative level. number two, we need to make certain that everyone does cast their ballot for president joe biden. there is a man of competency, courage, someone who has faith in america. more importantly, he's willing to speak to all americans, engage and evolve with information. that is something we have seen the current president refuse to do. he denies facts, he denies data, he denies science, and he lies. joe biden will tell us the truth, and that's the kind of leadership we need. number three, we have to not simply pay attention to presidential elections, we've got to make certain we vote in local elections and that we hold those people we've elected accountable. joe biden knows that when he is elected, he's not a savior of our country. he is a leader whose job it is to make certain that those who follow understand and hold him accountable, and that's the kind of leadership we need to not only survive this crisis but to build an america that we can continue to be proud of. >> former dhs secretary tom

ridge just yesterday talked about minimizing fraud in mail-in voting. take a listen. >> the message is pretty simple, mr. president. 20%-some of the people voted absentee ballot and there will be more. the focus should. be on the potential outcome, the focus should be work with the 50 states to make sure that those minimal cases of fraud, they do check the signature -- they need protect the integrity of the ballot. and that's where the focus should be rather than discouraging the use of absentee ballot. >> leader abrams, your response? >> find myself in the odd position of agreeing completely are tom ridge. i will say that is absolutely true. there is very little risk of there being fraud. we are working through fair fight action, through fair fight 2020, and through a number of organizations including the extraordinary work being done by

mark alias to ensure that the laws are fair, the rules are understood. that we know and accept that more than half of americans likely will use vote by mail in this election. that it should be accessible. every state has it. 34 states have it without excuse. and we need to make certain that no matter where you live in the united states in 2020, you are not denied access to your constitutional right as an eligible citizen to cast a ballot. >> stacey abrams, thank you. up next, america's teachers are worried, some of them, a new school year is just weeks away. i'll talk to three of them about the many, many questions about how to reopen classrooms in a pandemic. ms in a pandicem ♪

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as coronavirus hot spots bubble up across the country, the debate over if and how schools should reopen rages on. the covid-19 crisis shuttered nearly every state for the academic year. however, states look to bring

students back, opinions ranging from president trump to parents and teachers appear to be divided. >> we want to get our schools open. we want to get them open quickly, beautifully in the fall. >> i'm confident if you can do home depot, if you can do walmart, if you can do these things, we absolutely can do the schools. >> if teachers get sick, what's the policy? if someone in their family is sick, what's the policy? those things make all of it confusing. >> it's a bit confusing. so i'm -- i would be happy that she gets to spend some times with her friends, real time and not see them on a screen at home. at the same time as a parent, i'm concerned about how are they going to manage it, what's going to happen. >> joining me is a recently retired high school teacher who taught in texas. the president of the national

education association, and tina williams is the president of the fairfax county federation of teachers in virginia. lily, in an op-ed for "usa today," you say the white house is presenting a false choice for parents and for educators. how so? >> their choice is keep an unsafe school closed or open an unsafe school and stuff all the kids into overcrowded classrooms. there is a way that you can do the this intentionally and take the medical advice we have, take the education experts who can help design something that might actually help you open those schools safely. all of those countries that he was talking about, germany, denmark, australia, they didn't just open the doors and stuff those kids back inside. there was an intentional plan when the infection rate started to decline and they could see that it was time, and they did it very carefully.

and one of the things we know they did was they really trusted the educators to help design something that put their students' safety first. they made those teachers and classified folks essential emergency workers. they put them at the top of the line for testing, tracing, and treatment. they made sure they had the disinfectants and ppe. they did it right. donald trump is saying how hard could it be, open the schools, put them back in. that is a recipe for disaster, and we are not going to put our students in danger. >> robin covid-19 was part of your decisionmaking process to retire. talk us through your considerations. >> i had planned to retire in about two years. i have 40 years of experience, and i wanted to go a couple more years. i genuinely love my career. i love teaching. i love my students. i enjoy working.

but when we were out of school in march, we never went back after the spring break. and i watched and read what was going on in the country with the pandemic. it became increasingly clear to me that our federal and state governments were failing the need to control this virus. and as someone who is at a higher risk, i realized i could not put myself back into school. i feel like teachers are already human shields for active shooters. and now we'd be put in a position where we would also be in a petri dish trying to project children -- protect children from a virus that can be deadly. a virus that i could bring home and give to my extended family members. it's just -- i feel very badly for all my colleagues and friends that need to go back to school, they don't have the option of retiring as i did. they're scared. they're upset, and they're angry

because the school district that i did work for has not reached out to talk to employees. teachers are on the front lines, and their opinions have not been asked. >> tina, education secretary betsy devos has criticized fairfax plans to hold a staggered school week which means the kids will be in classes some days, the teachers will be in classes some days, and some distance learning. what are teachers in your district saying about this plan? >> well, i can tell you that people who do not spend time in schools and do not know about schools are the last people that we want to consider their opinions about returning to school. in terms of some of the things that have been said, i want to commend our school system. i think the staggered schedule, that hybrid is about prioritizing safety.

this hybrid model offers resources, it offers the social distancing that's needed to keep our kids safe which is six feet. we're going need that when we return, when it's safe, and that needs to be the priority. with our school system, i can tell you there have been many times that i've disagreed with our leadership, but in returning to schools, prioritizing safety is something that we can all agree on. and our educators can't agree with anything that does not put our students' safety first. anything less is a distraction from our mission to reopen our schools in a safe manner. we want to make sure that everything is science driven and that it's focused on keeping our children safe, and making sure that everybody is protected when we return. >> lily, this week texas education commissioner announced

that public school districts would need to reopen in the fall to continue receiving funding. what position does that put school districts, administrators, and educators in? >> there is no way that i can imagine a teacher, a school principal, the school secretary, the custodian is going to support opening a school before it can be done safely. and here's the thing -- we can do so much right now to make sure that we have everything in place when it's time. and donald trump and betsy devos and these governors who, by the way, botched opening a bar -- they opened up bars, and here are a bunch of young people who should have known better, crowd into those bars. what do you know, their infection rate spikes. now we're not talking about a bar, we're talking about a second grade. we're talking about a special ed class. we're talking about a math

class. we're talking about somebody's child, and the adults that serve those children. why aren't we talking about what are we going to do to disinfect, how are we going to distance those kids? when -- i just kind of go a little nuts when someone says, oh, this is easy, we did it with walmart. i had 39 sixth graders in a class one year. 39 kids that were coughing all over me. and now we're talking about they cough on you and you might die. they might -- they might infect one of the other kids who goes home and infects their grandmother. we're talking about big stuff here. we're talking about life and death, and we've got politicians who don't have any understanding of what it's like to have real-life kids in a classroom who have never taught a day in their lives. and i -- i just want to say it

one more time. to betsy devos, to donald trump, would you dare spend a day in my classroom with 39 sixth graders where you gave us nothing to open that school safely? would you dare sit in that room the way you're asking me and my colleagues to sit in those rooms? the way that you're telling parents to sacrifice their children because you want a better jobs report. you want their parents to be able to go back to work. you're giving us absolutely nothing to help us do this safely. would you sit in a classroom and breathe that air and take it home to your family? because politicians who don't know what they're talking about should be asking us how to do it safely. >> robin, lily, and tina, thank you all. up next, roger stone will not be going to prison. the president commuted his sentence just days before it was set to begin. now the justice department says they didn't have anything to do with it.

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nbc reports attorney general william barr told the president he did not recommend commuting roger stone's sentence. barr discussed clemency for stone with the president, according to an administration official. so the justice department had nothing to do with trump's decision. joining me is melissa murray, law professor at nyu and co-host of "the strict scrutiny podcast." which covers the supreme court. and maya wiley, professor at the new school. she is a former assistant u.s. attorney in the civil division at the southern district of new york. all right, maya, i wonder what you make of the president and his own attorney general being out of step on this decision. >> well, the first thing i make is that donald trump has decided to make sure that he's protecting donald trump by helping roger stone, his henchman when it came to russian interference in our elections,

get out of a criminal sentence that roger stone earned fair and square by climbing, by lying, by witness tampering. and the barr angle is the more confusing one because remember that bill barr has essentially acted as donald trump's defense attorney. and his machinations, his flip-flopping around the stone proceeding really began when he suggested that, you know, roger stone was facing an unfair sentence. and where we heard, you know, former attorneys like aaron zelinsky say that it was the most politicized prosecution he -- because of the interference, the political interference from the white house in the roger stone case. so it's interesting to me that bill barr's cleaning it up now, suggesting not me, that wasn't me. but the reality is any way you slice it, donald trump is

protecting donald trump. >> melissa, as much as there was not a ton of surprise around this, there was, of course, a ton of blow-back. you had congressman adam schiff on the "today" show. i want you to listen to what he said. >> if you lie for the president, if you cover up for the president, if you withhold information that could incriminate the president, he will protect you, he will make sure that unlike other people you don't have to go to jail. there are now two standards of justice in this country. one for the criminal palls of the president and one -- pals of the president and the one for everybody else. >> what message is the president sending with this decision? >> well, it's unclear what the message is. article 2, section 2 of the constitution gives the president the power to pardon or to grant clemency. but as a general matter, most presidents have used it later on in their terms, usually as they're on the way out. and some of them have even garnered some political blow

back for doing it even as they left the oval office. it's more unusual to have a president grant clemency in a circumstance where he's still going into a re-election cycle. this is certainly one that is politically fraught. i think maya's exactly right. it may be the case that the president is more interested in preserving his own skin than thinking about the political consequences. and with his base, there may not even be political consequences. >> maya, now that the supreme court has cleared the way for new york prosecutors to seek president trump's financial records, what happens next? >> well, you know, here's the thing -- donald trump's attorneys have the opportunity to challenge those subpoenas in the lower courts which i think we certainly expect them to do. the strategy from the beginning has been delay, delay, delay. and that way he is in a stronger -- ultimately he's still got to worry about this, but that he at least delays anything happening

that may be potentially damaging to him in the public eye before the election. it may take some time. it depends on the courts. it depends on what donald trump says, but i think what we've seen from donald trump, both before he served in the white house and now that he's in the white house, is that he will use every tool at his disposal to avoid court. so that's what he'll do here, and it will be a process. even if it goes more quickly to the grand jury, remember that grand jury proceedings are not public. and the public will only learn what's in documents if, in fact, there's an indictment. >> maya, i have to tell you, given the seriousness of everything that we discuss, i really appreciate the levity of the cat cameo that just happened. so thank you for that. a highlight of my day. melissa murray and maya wiley, thank you both so much for being with us. america's moms have had it.

why the pressures of the pandemic work, home schooling, and a lot more are taking a toll on mothers and their families. n.

months in the coronavirus pandemic, mothers have continued to take on heavy loads, balancing work with the children at home. feelings of anxiety has been

dubbed "mom rage" during the pandemic. this is hitting black and brown mothers hard as they feel the stress of bubbling racial tensions across the country while worrying about how to make end meet for their family. with me are women who write articles about the ongoing rage being felt by mothers. what is mom rage in your words and why is it so prevalent in this moment? >> it's pretty much what it sounds like, moms feeling boiling anger, they go zero to 60 exploding on their kids, their partners and styles internali -- sometimes internally. it's a direct result of a patriarch al society that doesnt

value moms and it's particularly prevalent because the pandemic is highlighting the inequality, including a lack of structural support for moms and working moms. >> how is this moment especially complicated for black women and for women of color? >> i think right now the major thing is my concern for the families is if it extends beyond this moment. we have an unemployment rate that continues to increase, even while the overall unemployment rate is declining and although that in and of itself is sadly not surprising, the real issue behind that that we need to address is that because of that weak employment outlook for black mothers, because black children are already more likely than white children to live in poverty and because black mothers are more likely to be the bread winners in the

household, it's a very real concern for an entire generation of children and their futures and the reason why is because american public policy historically is rooted in racism and has made the american dream a difficult one to attain for black people. black people have not been able to build generational wealth and that doesn't mean mansions and cars, that really just means something of value to pass down, a house, a savings. so when there's no cushion there to withstand a crisis, poverty is often just one crisis away. and we have research showing that black children born into poverty are weis as likely as white and hispanic children to stay there. you add the effects, the pandemic stress and the racism that we're experiencing vicariously right now into the mix and it's a bad outlook on all front. >> it's explosive. there is a pressure you write about where women feel like they

can have a child or they can have a job. there are very few americans who live in a household where they can afford not to work. so what does that stress actually end up looking like in people's day-to-day lives? >> i mean, the only people who can handle what happened right now is people who have built-in child care like an aupair. there's a lot of tvs everyone's talking about. it's a very stressful situation. i think moms didn't really have a break before and now it is no break. you go to sleep if your kids are sleeping hopefully and you wake up and do it all over again. >> kelly, we have about 30 seconds left. this is not interpersonal,

right? that's a piece of it. it is structural, right, it is the structural piece of this that has to be reckoned with. >> exactly. >> kelly and minna -- no, finish your thought. >> oh. once this pandemic is over, the economy is on its way to recovering hopefully but black children will have been impacted in a long-term way because of institutional racism. >> all right, kelly and minna, thank you both. i'm alycicia menendez. reverend al sharpton is coming up next on "politicsnation." i'm greg, i'm 68 years old.

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good evening and welcome to "politicsnation." tonight's lead, out of control. for the first time the united states saw 70,000 new coronavirus cases in a single day friday, with the death rate also on the rise. the biggest surges coming in the south and the west in states that are or certainly were firmly for president donald trump.