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center. in a carefully choreographed public gesture, the president wore a mask, something he has been notably reluctant to do. this nod to what medical experts have been saying for months comes as the country deals with new highs in the number of cases almost every day. more than 3 million nationwide, more than 130,000 deaths. the epicenter right now, florida where dpf rgovernor ron desantie trump who has downplayed the serious necessary of the pan da>> i believe in school choice across the board. >> as the nation deals with the rising number of cases, there was one covid case donald trump made sure he could prevent. roger stones are his sentence on seven felony crimes commuted in
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part, the white house says, over concerns he could face coronavirus in prison. though trump blamed what he called overzealous prosecutors. the move prompting this from prominent democrats. >> it's shocking but not surprising. >> donald trump has proven yet again as he done on an almost daily basis that he lacks the moral character to lead the united states, that he lacks the integrity to hold any high office. >> also weighing in, former special counsel robert mueller, "roger stone remains a convicted felon and rightly so." >> a strong tweet in condemnation from mitt romney. contributes from just about every other notable republican. some want another pardon for
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michael flynn, amid reports he may make a comeback on the campaign trail. kelly o'donnell joins me now. the president has finished up at walter reed. what were the big takeaways and how does all of this play into the administration's response to the coronavirus? >> there's so much to catch up on here today, chris. first of all, the president has returned to the white house. he was not wearing a mask when he got foff marine i and went into the white house. i asked him about mask wearing earlier this afternoon and said he's not opposed to masks but thinks there is a right time and play. this was intentional. the press pool was invited inside walter reed national military center. that's something that often does not happen when the president goes to see service members positioned in a hallway in order to get that imagery of a president, wearing the masks
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surrounded by the brass and visiting with service members and health care providers there. very intentional. advisers had been encouraging him to wear a mask, to make this public statement. the president has softened his rhetoric on masks. remember when this first began, he said he never envisioned himself in a mask, didn't think it was for him. softened that to say he's not opposed to them, has talked about the government under his direction producing more fmasks but it will be a question of is this one or done or something we've seen the president do from time to time? he said today because it's a hospital and service members that have delicate physical situations he thought it was appropriate to wear a mask. on the news of roger stone, the president says he is very happy about what he did. he believes there are americans who want justice and believe that he delivered justice by commuting that sentence. now he said stone can go to try to appeal his conviction.
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then you brought up robert mueller who has so rarely taken a public position in his time post serving as the special counsel and obviously the secrecy involved in the investigation himself writing for "the washington post," outlining how he argues that the investigation itself was lawful, did pursue roger stone for specific reasons, that a jury found him of lying repeatedly, lying about his contacts and intermediaries with russians who were trying to release was in, emails and so forth through wikileaks that could be damaging to hillary clinton and helpful to president donald trump. so robert mueller speaks contradictory to the president but roger stone remains at this point a convicted felon and he says rightly so. >> thank you so. i want to bring in our panel
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now, philip rucker, white house bureau chief at the "washington post" and dr. natalie azhar. great to see both of you. phil, let's start about the president's decision to commute roger stone's sentence. what was going on behind the scenes? >> this is something the president has been thinking about for many weeks now. he has been saying publicly for some time that he thought roger stone was treated unfairly by federal prosecutors, even as robert mueller was putting pen to paper this evening defended the conduct in that investigation and said it was entirely proper and appropriate and pointed out of course that roger stone had been convicted by a jury of lying to investigatorsno investigators. nonetheless the president wanted to save stone, his friend and confidante and someone who noted in an interview yesterday that he didn't reveal anything about the president, that he had protected the president in his
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dealings with federal investigators. there reportedly was some dispute amongst the president's advisers in the administration about whether to take this action. nbc i believe is reporting today that the attorney general bill barr advised against it but -- >> and mark meadows. >> and mark meadows chris, this fits a pattern of this president of using his power of clemency to help his political friends. his very first pardon was for sheriff joe arpaio, one of his first endorsers on the campaign trail in 2015. time and again president donald trump has used that power to let his friends off without having to go to prison. >> kelly touched on this but i want to ask you about this op-ed that just came out from robert mueller on the stone decision. "roger stone remains a convicted felon and rightly so.
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we made every decision in stone's case as in all our cases based solely on the facts and law and in accordance with the rule of law. the men and women who conducted these investigations and prosecutions acted with the highest integrity. claims to the ton trcontrary ar false." what do you make of the fact that now at least in this case he just felt he had to say something? >> well, this has been building, chris, for many months now. mueller has been silent since his appearance before congress last summer. so it been nearly a year and we haven't heard from the special counsel and yet we've heard repeated repeatedly from the president denouncing it as a witch hunt. mueller wanted to defend the work of his team and his inquiry
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and to remind the american people why that special counsel into russian interference in the le election was so paramount to begin with. this was a foreign power in our election trying to help hillary clinton lose and donald trump win. and mueller feels like his comments have been distorted by the president and so he's trying to make that clear. >> you wrote yesterday in the "post" about how the president always paints himself as a victim. we saw some of that in the statement that the white house put out. it's almost as if it was preemptively answering what they knew would be the uproar about it. what are you hearing these days about how he is doing, the things he is saying when he's inside the white house with his advisers? >> well, chris, the president is not in a very good state these days. he's in a rather sullen mood
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according to his advisers and the people speaking with him over the last few weeks. in particular the president has been complaining about the pandemic because he feels like it is hurting him, it hurting him politically, it's a crisis he now has to deal with and he considers himself the great victim here. our reporting shows in many of the considerations with those in the white house and friends on the phone outside the government, he begins conversations with a preamble, a woe is me monologue about how unfair this is, i built the greatest economy and it's being destroyed by the pandemic and how people are protesting about what happened to floyd and it's hurting me. he very much sees himself as a victim here and it fits the pattern of this president as feeling everything in a personal way and feeling like he's been
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victimized time and again. >> clearly he thinks he's being treated unfairly with the criticism of how the administration has handled the coronavirus pandemic. we finally saw him wear a mask today but adam schiff thinks a lot of this is because the stone pardon, he wants to take attention away from the administration's virus response. here's adam schiff. >> i also think, alex, part of the motivation here is the president wants to distract at all costs from the growing and horrendous death toll of the coronavirus, the deadly incompetence of this administration, and he'd rather talk about the scandal of his commuting the sentence of someone convicted on all counts by a jury of lying for him. >> dr. azhar, i certainly won't ask you to get inside the head of the president about why he does what he does and yet he did wear a mask today.
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it's something people have been seeing we need to see from members of his administration. as kelly o'donnell pointed out he walked back into the white house from marine i without wearing a mask. at this point do you think that symbolism matters? do you think whether the government or the president wears a mask matters as opposed to the policy and consistency of the policy? what are we going to do about this politicization of mask wearing? >> yeah, mask wearing has become a complete proxy for the political disunity in this country. i think it was largely symbolic today. i don't think it's going to have any effect on all the pop weoplo have been modelling his behavior and echoing his commentary over the last couple of months, whether it's personal liberty and anti-science rhetoric. i think today's demonstration or show will do very, very little to have an impact moving
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forward. >> let me ask you about dr. anthony fauci. he told the "financial times" he has not briefed the president in at least two months, while he's sure his messages are passed along. the question is how much is the president listening to those messages, if he's getting them? how concerned are you that we don't have the briefings where we see an anthony fauci that there seems to be no one person that america can look to on a day-to-day basis and say, okay, i feel like i can get real information here? >> you know what, chris, i think on a more granular level i'm hoping that public health experts and governors and mayors are able to communicate with task force members. while i think the task force briefings were helpful for all of us in the medical community and those who have a conscience about all of this, it was very reassuring to hear the experts
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speak to us, i don't know exactly what kind of an impact the lack of that visibility is going to have, specifically with dr. fauci. one of the issues with the president is that he's sort of in the last couple of weeks or really this entire time but more recently has been really trying to downplay the dangers of this epidemic or this pandemic rather. i think in an effort to help sort of bolster or revive the economy and the election. i think that's kind of what we are seeing here. additionally, i will add that the comment that he made about dr. fauci the other night about the fact that he made mistakes and things like that i think speaking to specifically the mask guidance that was revised as new science was obtained is particularly telling in terms of the disconnect but also i would say that the president is kind of like a little bit on his own in his messaging, which has done
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nothing but undermine the messaging of his public health experts this entire time. >> part of the message has been the number of deaths is going down but there is a pretty disturbing study just printed in the wall street journal about how in many of these southern states where we're seeing the cases going up, now they're starting to see a surge within nursing homes. and we know that a lot of the problems have been with 20 somethings, 30 somethings, but if we're seeing in some of these sun belt states rising numbers, dramatically rising numbers in some cases in nursing homes, i hate to say it, we've learned a lot about treating people with the coronavirus but can a rise in deaths be far behind? >> well, right. and certainly, yes, i think that we've accounted for the lower death rate by saying that younger people are getting infected and they may not be dying but let me be the first to
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say that that doesn't mean that they're not going to be left with potentially devastating chronic sequela. we did learn a lot on how to when and who to ventilate, et cetera. we should expect an uptick in deaths, regardless of the age distribution and demographic of the people involved. it should surprise no one that the vulnerable groups, including folks in nursing homes, as well as the minority population will be hit the hardest again. >> it's always a pleasure, dr. nazar, to have you. and philip rucker, thank you. zr why did the president choose
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reaction is coming in fast and furious from both sides of the eel of president donald trump's decision to commute the sentence of his friend roger stone. >> donald trump has proven that he lacks the integrity to hold any high office and that this le election will be a referendum of whether we want to continue to be led by a coward or by a courage in joe biden to be the president of the united states. >> and mitt romney writes "unprecedented historic corruption, an american president commutes the sentence
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of a person convicted by a jury of lying to shield that very president. >> it's not a surprise there apparently was disagreement in the white house about doing this. nbc reporting that bill barr didn't want to do it, mark meadows didn't want to do it but bottom line, since these kind of decision business the president no longer shock, why should this matter to the average american? >> you know, we do again to become numb. every morning we seem to wake up in a new fog of injustice, chris. but i think we need to remain focused on just how deeply corrupt in commutation of roger stone's sentence is. it's particularly galling to prosecutors, to former career prosecutors like myself to the jury of roger stone's peers that convicted him, held him accountable and assumed there
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would be punishment for his crimes. it's also a slap in the face and i don't know that we focus on this enough, to every single defendant in the united states involved in the criminal justice system who is not a rich, powerful, influential friend of the defendant because those defendants will receive no favorable treatment but roger stone will. chris, i think there are two important data points that show just how corrupt in commutation of the sentence is. it wasn't a pardon. communi communation of a sentence is like pardon light because he still remains a felon but doesn't spend two minutes behind bar. roger stone was the trump campaign's access point to julian assange and be wikileaks. i can say that because i was in the courtroom during the trial when steve bannon testified that
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roger stone was the campaign's access point to julian assange and wikileaks. and yesterday when we saw the reporting from howard fineman who interviewed roger stone and roger stone said flat out i want the president to commute my sentence and let me quote this sentence from roger stone, he said, "the president knows, i, roger stone, was under enormous pressure to turn on him, it would have eased my situation considerably but i didn't." so that is roger stone basically giving the president an ultimatum. i kept your secrets, i want a commutation of my sentence and if i don't get it, donald trump, maybe i will start talking. this is a corrupt, corrupt act by a corrupt president. so there's a call for an
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immediate briefing on the commutation of the sentence. they wrote "president donald trump abused the powers of his office in an apparent effort to reward roger stone for his refusal to cooperate with investigators investigating the president's own conduct. no other president hasek xercisd the clemency power for such a patently personal and self-serving purpose." is this or isn't this within the president's power? >> it is within the president's power. what if anything can be done about it? >> this is uncharted legal territory when a deeply corrupt president issues a corrupt pardon or commutation of a sentence of somebody who is essentially a partner in crime, a defacto partner in crime,
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roger stone. let's assume donald trump came into additional information and said you know what, i have reconsidered commuting roger stone's sentence and i'm going to revoke, i'm going to change course, i'm going to change my mind. i contend he would be permitted to do it. it's unlikely, we all know that. there is no law that says when the next president comes into office he cannot based on new information revisit all of the decisions of a prior president. now, that would be a maiden legal voyage but i suggest if we have a president biden come january 2021, he might want to dust off the ship of state and consider some of these maiden legal voyages. >> let me get your quick reaction to this new talk on the hill that the commutations and pardons will not stop with stone. i don't think anybody thinks that they will but that michael
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flynn may be next. what would you think of that? >> this may sound counterintuitive from a prosecutor but i almost hope mike flynn's case stays away. right now the department of justice are bound by the agreement they entered into with mike flynn, which is plead guilty of one count of lying to the fbi and we will limit your exposure to six months of prison or down to zero, probation eligible and we won't bring any other charges against you. if it gets thrown out or if he gets pardoned, come january again, every single crime mike flynn committed could be rebrought and prosecuted. he would be in real jeopardy and facing more time potentially than just six months to probation. >> pardon michael flynn is the
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coronavirus is surging across the sunbelt, including in california where the death toll has now surpassed 7,000 and continues to climb. mayor eric garcetti threatening another mandatory stay-at-home order in los angeles to combat the outbreak, while elsewhere in san francisco mayor london breed is announced a stunning 24-hour
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spike. tell us how state officials are responding to a precipitous rise in cases. >> reporter: hey, chris. officials here in california are having to respond quickly and in many cases take drastic action action. for example, i was talking to the mayor of san francisco and she was recounting how some two weeks ago she was at the san francisco zoo talking about how it was going to be reopening the next day along with other businesses in including hair salons. overnight she said she got word of a hundred-case spike in the virus and then the next day having to take the decision to shut the zoo down as well as other businesses. now we're hearing word that the zoo will be opening on monday but hair salons and other businesses will remain closed, telling me that this is the new reality facing business owners in san francisco. take alesson. -- take a listen. >> i think this is a fluid
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situation. we're living in covid. covid is our new normal. so these up and downs, these openings and closings and all of those things, these things are going to sadly be a part of our life now. and so the certainty that we all want and look forward to no longer exists. so that's going to continue to be a challenge. it would be a great to have a little more coordination and support from a federal level. again, we are doing the best we can locally and on the statewide level but this is not sustainable. >> what more do you want to see at the federal level? >> i'd like to see a new president. >> meanwhile, here in los angeles, the mayor of l.a. pleading with the public, going into the weekend telling people to avoid groups large and small, to stay at home. he said that the nice weather that you see around me, chris, is not an excuse for a barbecue. they recognize that those group settings are in many cases the seeds planted for further spread
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of this virus. they're trying to stop that because the reality is six of the seven pandemic indicators here in the state of california are moving in the wrong direction. garcetti warning if that continues, he will have to issue another stay-at-home order, which no one here wants to see, chris. >> obviously which would complicate any plan that they have to reopen schools in california. so what's the latest on that? >> well, we had heard from governor gavin newsom just months ago say that he was hopeful that schools would be able to reopen. at the time he was talking about the schools being able to reopen perhaps in july to make up for the last time. he's very concerned with learning loss, the effects on children of schools' closures can be potentially devastatinde. we just heard from the
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california teacher's association who say they do not think it's safe. we heard from public health officials that come fall learning may have to happen by remote. >> erin mclaughlin in burbank. thank you for that. california isn't the only place where there's a lot of confusion over how to reopen schools. take new york, the governor there and new york city's mayor are saying different things. new hampshire catholic schools announce they will fully reopen and are putting incentives in place for transfers. with so much at stake, what's a parent or a teacher to do? joining me now is tracy merline, an elementary school teacher of 20 years in broward county, florida and carolyn, a mom of two in tallahassee. how are you and the kids doing after being out of school for
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months and what are your feelings about getting them back into the classroom. >> yeah, we are very unsettled. it has been hard for us as a family, i'm a working mom, to be at home mostly with the kids. and now also with the news that the schools are reopening, the different options that have been proposed to us by the school of arts and science, which is a public charter school run by community volunteers here in tallahassee. >> first of all, can i just say i'm looking at these pictures. your kids are gorgeous. >> thank you. >> but how do you feel about the options that your school has been able to offer so far? have you had a chance to talk to any of the teachers? >> absolutely. being on the board, i am in touch with the school community and before i say how i feel, i'm going to say the options sent yesterday on a survey for parents on our school reopening,
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which is face to face, innovative instruction, which is on from home and the blended option for the school of arts and sciences at thomasville road because there's two campuses. for us as a family, we feel that the blended option is the one we're going to get to choosebut aga again i feel confused because that option depends on how many parents decide to do the one week at home, one week at the school. it's still changing. we really don't know. >> teachers are left with their own questions, tracy. "education week" published a kind of memorial and it's growing to retired and current educator who have succumb to covid-19. some of them are in their 30s. it really illustrates the scope of how this pandemic has touched the education community. what's at the heart, tracy, of
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your concerns about going back in the classrooms and the concerns you hear when you talk to other teachers? >> well, chris, thank you so much for having me on. it really is an honor to be here. i have to tell you, my main concern is that parents, families know we want to be with your kids there is nothing better to be a teacher on the carpet with kids reading a book. but is it selfish when i look at these pictures i'm reminded of all the students and staff members who have been shot in school shootings? that's what i'm reminded of. unfortunately the leadership we have in florida and in the nation is not mapping out clear plans. we're not getting funding, we're not getting specifics that we can guarantee that teachers, staff and students are going to be safe. i'm a mom. i am not putting my daughter at risk because i'm worried about a math concept. i want to make sure that my daughter gets to grow up. if rights now schools are in an
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epicenter where people can't even go outside with worrying about catching something or being near somebody, then we need to kind of buckle down. and i understand it's our new normal, but over time with s certain things in place like mask mandates, certain things in place like closing down the things where people are socializing, we can get this under control. the graphs are scary. i'm a teacher. i teach science. we look at data. the data that i am seeing on the news needs to be seriously looked at by our leadership. it feels like we have a kid in denial and it's time to get them some help and that kid right now is our government. >> well, look, as you know, tracy, the argument for getting kids back into the classroom is that younger people are far less likely to get sick or exhibit symptoms and the counter of course is that after school they can go home and potentially expose parents, grandparents and
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also teachers, many of whom are in a high-risk category. that's not even addressing the issue of transportation to or from school, not addressing of all the issues of who are hapeo have to work in schools, cafeteria, bus drivers. are you getting the kind of good information to make those decisions? >> i'm getting the kind of information that wants me to hold on with both hands and look 'em in the eye and say "we need to do this." i don't understand why this has become so divisive. we're talking about the dangers of people that we love and care about, and if we don't protect our children, then how on earth are we even supposed to be educators? you know, teachers have been pushed back, pushed back into these quiet corners where we can't raise our voices, but our voices are needed now more than anything. i commend you, i commend msnbc,
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i commend the channels that are having educators or to tell you what it's like. i'm not in the military. those are the bravest people for putting their lives on the line to defend our country. we're teachers, we're supposed to work with the kids. we're not front line soldiers. it's not fair to treat us this way. >> i feel like you guys do enough as it is and your jobs are hard enough. between my brothers and sisters, their spouses and kids, we have a dozen teachers in my family. so i have some understanding what you guys do far beyond even having to deal with something this terrible. but havei have to ask before we carla, and tracy, maybe can you weigh in as well. how are your kids doing? i was home in ohio with a couple of my young family members. this is so, so hard for those kids. they desperately want to be back with their friends, they love their teachers.
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carla, how are your kids doing? >> i have to say and i'm going to speak from a point of privilege, my kids are doing sem semi-fine because i am here with them and even my husband is. but what about the families that don't have those and the kids that have to take care of other siblings. lay la wrote "i hate covid." we all hate covid. it's definitely a situation that we have been put in comparing to the rest of the world and the policies that have been made there, we shouldn't have been in this situation. >> i wish we had more time. we are out of time. tracy and carla, i thank both of you for your time today, for all you do for kids in your schools. hang in there, we're all rooting obviously for you and the kids, for some way out of this so we can get our kids back learning
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in a way that makes them feel very much involved in their own growing up and learning process. thank you both very much. and coming up, will we ever see the president's tax returns following the supreme court's decision? we're going to dive deeper into what we know and what's still a mystery about president donald trump's finances. y about presidd trump's finances ♪ things are getting clearer, yeah i feel free ♪ ♪ to bare my skin ♪ yeah that's all me. ♪ nothing and me go hand in hand ♪ ♪ nothing on my skin ♪ that's my new plan. ♪ nothing is everything. keep your skin clearer with skyrizi. 3 out of 4 people achieved 90% clearer skin at 4 months. of those, nearly 9 out of 10 sustained it through 1 year. and skyrizi is 4 doses a year, after 2 starter doses. ♪ i see nothing in a different way ♪ ♪ and it's my moment so i just gotta say ♪ ♪ nothing is everything skyrizi may increase your risk of infections
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and we're back live talking about trump taxes with "the washington post" political reporter and i think we've got our signal re-established, david. i want to start by talking about what is going to happen with the southern district of new york where the d.a. issued a statement calling the supreme court ruling a tremendous victory. is it? what happens next, david? >> well, it is a victory for sigh vance but that doesn't mean he'll see the president's tax returns any time soon. the supreme court basically said trump doesn't have the special right because he is president to ward off the subpoena but he still has the same rights you or i do. which is to say if the subpoena is too broad or burdensome. so now trump can still go back and say the subpoenas are still wrong and still delay it. >> democrats in congress are also trying to spin this as a
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win but if they can't get what they want before the election you wonder does it even matter? i have to say that before the coronavirus took hold many, many months on the campaign trail talking to democratic voters, it was one of the number one things that they wanted. they kept asking me, are we going to get to see the president's tax returns? >> never say never. somebody could leak them. we could find them out some other way. certainly congress isn't going to get them any time soon. congress went about this in a way that puzzled me. instead of just asking for the tax returns and accepting a court battle knowing that is how trump treats any requests for his documents and always has, they went the slow way, they asked questions, wrote letters, wrote angrier letters and delayed the whole process and there is no way they'll see the tax returns -- >> well, look. the political potential at least was on full display when after the ruling joe biden retweeted a statement that he had actually made last october. i want to play that.
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>> mr. president, you want to talk about corruption. i released 21 years of my tax returns. i entered as one of the poorest men in congress, left one of the poorest men in government, in congress, and as vice president. i made no money while i was in there other than my salary. mr. president, even richard nixon released his tax returns. mr. president, release your tax returns or shut up. >> even richard nixon released his taxes. so let me get to the heart of the matter in both of these cases. what is it that the american people that cy vance that congress will likely learn if and when they actually get their hands on these documents that they want? >> well, things like income, charitable donations, any debts he has outstanding.
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it is important to step back and realize the president brought his business into the oval office with still his business. that means there is a side of his life even right now that we don't know. he knows it. his business partners and lenders know it. but we don't know. it is hard to evaluate what decisions he is making in office if we don't understand that dimension of his life like he does. the things congress asked for would have given us some insight into that. now it seems unlikely congress will get anything like that before november. >> trump promised repeatedly to produce his returns once they are no longer under audit. he first made the promise way back in 2012. david, how long does an audit take? >> not this long. this is something he said without producing any sort of actual proof there is an audit. also, the fact your tax returns are under audit is no bar to
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releasing them to the public. it seems like a smoke screen at this time before he produces any evidence that the audit exists or that it prevents him showing his taxes. >> always great to see you. thank you so much for coming and being with us on a saturday night. we appreciate it. that is going to wrap up this hour here on msnbc. i'm chris jansing. thank you so much for being with us. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 6:00 p.m. eastern. the news will continue after this break with ali velshi. have a great weekend. little things can become your big moment. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats differently. for psoriasis, 75% clearer skin is achievable, with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. for psoriatic arthritis, otezla is proven to reduce joint swelling, tenderness, and pain. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. it may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting.
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good evening on this saturday night i am ali velshi and we are following two developing stories this hour, surging coronavirus in many parts of the united states and donald trump's last-minute decision to commute the sentence of his long time friend and confidante roger stone. former special counsel robert mueller is now breaking his silence on the stone case in an op-ed just published in "the washington post." we'll have more on that in just a moment. but first, donald trump back at the white house after visiting walter reed medical center where he met with wounded soldiers and staff. look at this. look at that picture. for the very first time. how long have we had coronavirus? for the very first time, donald trump voluntarily appeared for cameras wearing a mask. here he is talking about that decision before leaving the
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