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good to be with you tonight from new york. bharz are closing in louisiana and di any world is opening in florida. two very different turning points as the coronavirus outbreak continues growing. today florida recorded 15,300 new cases. it is the highest one day total for one state since a month ago. theme parks are turning away guests without masks. covid-19 cases are increasing. more than three dozen states are seeing it increase. hospitalizations and cases continue to rise.
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these statistics can easily feel disembodied and faceless. they keep growing with no end in sight. one face in the fight against code 19 is becoming a more direct target of the white house. it provided nksz with a dozen dments comments that they said dr. fauchi was wrong on. a candidate would release about their opponent. the points against dr. fauchi included his comments in january that coronavirus was not a major threat and not driven by asymptomatic carriers. also mentioned, fauchi's comment in march that people should not be walking around with masks. those assertions did turn out to be wrong as we learned more about covid-19. still, anthony fauchi has not been on tv in a while but other administration officials made the rounds today including the
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southern general. >> we can turn this thing around in two to three weeks if we can get a critical mask of people wearing face coverings, practicing at least six feet of social distancing. >> that is a solid plan to turn this thing around, if we would all do our parts. meanwhile betsy devos shared no dwib active plan to open up school campuses this fall but she insisted they need to open. >> if there is a short-term flareup for a few days, that's a different situation than planning an entire school year in anticipation of something that hasn't happened. that's a very different thing. they've got to be back in the class room. working families need their children in school. >> i know -- i again, i know -- >> that kids should be back in school. >> cdc guidelines note that
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online classes show a low risk of infection. devos wouldn't say whether we should follow that panel. joining us an internal medicine physician. kimberly atkins, correspondent for public radio in boston and jonathan allen, senior political analyst for nbc news.com. dr. roy, let me start with you. it's good to be with you from a safe distance of at least -- this looks like devan -- >> it's almost ten feet, isn't it? >> i'm also metric. it's definitely over six feet. >> we're two meters at least. >> i want your reaction to what the surgeon general jerome adams said. >> we prescribed leaches and cocaine and heroin for people as
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medical treatments. when we learn better we do better -- >> are you saying at that time you did not know because the cdc was looking at asymptomatic transmission of the virus? >> we were looking at that but the cdc, the w.h.o., even an article in this new england journal of medicine still disputed where masks are effective. >> the leaches are still used in medication in some applications. there's research on that. i won't start on cocaine and heroin. that seemed like a weird comparison. >> my interception was that data's constantly changing, evolving. it's not that dr. fauchi was necessarily wrong. he was going by the data or the lack thereof. i want to go back to segment you were showing earlier. if i may set the record straight
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here. dr. fauchi is a gentleman who has devoted his life and his career to the health and well-being of the american people. he has just -- he is so well-respected around the world. think about it this way, joshua. you or any of our viewers had a very about thyroid or lupus medications, do they call their mayor, their representative or do they call a doctor? we should be listening to the career scientists and doctors like dr. anthony fauchi. >> we know that president trump and dr. fauchi have not seen eye to eye. you don't fight with someone who's not on the ballot but donald trump has, what about this one? >> yes. it's a great point that you
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make. he's somebody who has attacked people within his own administration. he's attack judge cure glel the last election. i think he won not in spite of it but because of them. it's not necessarily going to help donald trump's approval ratings for that to happen. i think he does see fauchi who's in opposition with him and it's hurting his base. we're seeing an emotion of his base for the first time. we're starting to see college educated white men and women, older voters starting to pull away from trump. i think he must be trying to figure out a way to discredit fauchi with his research campaign to try to get some of them back, so they're not listening to fauchi, so they
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don't become more alienated from the president himself. i'm not a doctor but if i'm not mistaken, cocaine and opioids, if not heroin itself are still very much used in medicine. >> is that true, doctor? >> actually, yes. even though heroin is considered a schedule one drug there are places who use heroin as a substance to cure opioid. appearances that seemed to go well. how do you think that today's appearances by secretary devos rated with the white house? >> well, if the scoring criteria is staying on message that schools like businesses like the economy muss reopen no matter what, she did exactly that. she didn't always stay along the lines of common sense that if schools don't have a plan of how
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to reopen safely in a way that doesn't put not just the students but also teachers and everyone else in that building that works in a way that doesn't put them in danger, then that's not going to accomplish her purpose. her message was clear. open up or else. as to how i to do it safely, it's up to the local school kept to figure that out on their own. but opening schools is essential to reopen the economy and we've seen from the president that that is his top focus. he wants this virus to go away. he has repeatedly said falsely that this virus will go away, and despite the fact that we've seen more new cases in the last few days than ever, that plan is being pushed to move forward and we're seeing secretary devos is staying in line with that. >> there was an upsetting story of a 30-year-old man in texas
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who apparently attended a pandemic party, as some call it, died. he said as he died that he thought covid-19 was a hoax. i don't see any value of speaking ill of the dead. we don't know yet how wide the so-called pandemic parties are. they're shocking but they might be rare. we just don't know. what do you think the proper response to these should be? i don't think that shaming people or wagging fingers at people will do any good. but what might do some good? >> first of all, i'd like to express my condolences to this gentleman and his family. each person that passes away, when we think of 130,000, it's almost unfathomable, right? but as a doctor, having seen people struggle to breathe,
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struggling to live, wrooising in pain in hospital. in this pandemic they are by themselves in a sterile hospital room. as you know, visitors aren't alloyed. loved ones aren't allowed. when i think of these individual people going to parties, thinking it's not going to affect them. it chills my soul to the marrow to quote carole king. we try not to use shame. that's not an effective strategy. i look at it from two points of view. young people have a sense of invinceability but it's also a lack of leadership. you need strong messaging from leaders saying, look, this is real and this is how you protect yourself. i do not leave my home without wearing a mask. officials should be mandating that in order to save lives. >> the same aspect of this whole pandemic is a topic for another
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day but you're right. i don't see what good that would do. we'll see what ultimately will do some good. thanks. nice to see you. >> stick around. we'd like your help in the hour. 17 sailors and four civilians in san diego have been injured affidavit a fire on a navy ship. nbc's aaron mclaughlin is in los angeles. she's been following the story and has the latest. aaron, how is the firefighter going? is it out by now? >> reporter: well, not yet, joshua. certainly it's a shocking sight to behold, smoke billowing from the ship. you can see there fire, boats spraying the sides of the vessel with water. as of an hour ago, the naval
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surface forces tweeting that they were still trying to find the seats of the fire in order to extinguish it. we know that the federal fire is leading this effort. they have two crews on board the ship rotating with the u.s. navy, trying to extinguish the fire. the real concern at this point is the fuel on board this vessel. some 55 gallon fuel tank. their real concern that this fire could persist through the night, so concerned that they have moved other vessels in the area away. >> thank you, aaron. that's the latest in los angeles. coming up, president trump's decision to spare roger stone from prison was highly controversial, including inside the white house. who tried to stop it and why? that is next. and why that is next
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president trump had not commuted the sentence. the fallout continues over that decision and over an unexpected response to it. today senator linsey graham who chairs the judiciary compete says he will grant the right to testify. muller wrote an op ed on the kmu tags for the washington potion. he wrote that stone "remains a convicted felon and rightly so." joining the panel, professor maia wiley, don callaway, the ceo of pine street strategies and nbc intelligence and national security correspondent ken delane? ken, let me start with you and the op ed. it says that rormg stone remains a convicted felon, rightfully so. can you explain why that's so
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significant? >> joshua, unique among the prosecutions by roger muller's office the stone case went to trump. they made the president part of the case. they made clear to the jury that roshlg stone not only tampered with a witness but he did it to protect donald trump from embarrassment. he didn't want the public to know that the trump campaign was eager to get information from the russians, even if there was no conspiracy established. they're commuting the sentence of a person who lied to congress. robert mueller goes to write this op ed to send a message that this prosecution was legitimate and that the people who conducted the investigations acted with sbeg fi and he said any sentments to the contrary are false. >> multiple reports state that multiple white house firms
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advised against this kmu taste. much of the concern was over political blowback. it's been a few days but what evidence is there to either support or refute those concerns? >> i mean, it's hard to know exactly how voters are going to react to each thing but at this point, the president's permutations create a long laundry list for his opponents to make hay off of. you're talking about him essentially commuting the sentence of somebody who defended him and robert mueller didn't say it ex plate italy in that op bid he suggested it but he suggested that one of the problems he had in trying to prosecute a conspiracy or even find that there was a conspiracy was that people weren't forthcoming and were perhaps dishonest with them. the questions about roger stone
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lying to congress fall into sort of that same area. so what you've got is somebody who basically said he was not going to turn on the president giving a kmu tags for that. that will be something you hear about between now and election day. besides the politics, there's the actual practical implications of this, that the president of the united states is making life easier for felons who align with him permanesonalr politically. >> his is a number of pardons and kmu tagss by president trump. he's among the first presidents to offer a hookup connected to crimes such as murder, arson, even war crimes. these are a done deal whether he wins re-election or not. so where does that leave us? >> well, it leaves us with a president who's running for
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re-election essentially on a platform that says that i will make a mockery of justice, that i will use mercy instead of in cases where mercy is indicated, something that we saw barack obama do with over 2,000 nonviolent offenders who had really harsh snepss for low-level crime. in this case he'll use it for political favor, for political gain and to score points of people who say of payo who was accused of violenting the constitutional rights of people who were latino and joking about having concentration camp-like conditions for undocumented immigrants or people he thought was undocumented but he rounded up. these are the kind of people he's going to stand with and he's going to stand with them while we have people like a
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brenda brant who barack obama gave clemens si to who had spent 21 years in prison, although she'd never commit add violent crime and her boyfriend essentially flipped on her to get a lower sneps for himself. these are cases that right now the american public is calling out for government to address in terms of a broken criminal justice system. and donald trump keeps breaking it further. >> the opponents of this kmu tags reportedly included mike meadows. to the best of our knowledge, mr. meadows has neared resigned for hinted to do so. maybe he's trying to be a steadying presence in the the white house as best he can. >> right. >> what do you think? >> there's no sincere opposition from the house. if there was, it would be based on the moral dilemma.
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i think nave made the calculation which is that none of his base is going leave him based upon this kmu tags. this president seems to not understand that to win a gem election you have to expand upon your base. that, to me, as a campaign guy makes me really worried about what his general election astrodome is if he does not plan to grow the base. he plans to say joe biden is cheating and i would lastly say that you can't look at this kmu tags separate as dr. wiley was getting commutes and pardons and hooks up, as you said, josh war rich
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and connected people, most of whom happen to be white men. having been accused, sits in rikers island and dies accused for stealing a backpack. lima mcclain. that's what this is about. it's about an unjust system and people are tired of it and the president continues to be a very high-level illustration of that. >> let's look forward a little bit. this does not appear just to be talk from senator graham about having robert mueller testify. he said a formal invitation is in the works. how significant would that be? i don't get the feeling that rormg stone -- excuse me -- that robert mueller really enjoyed testifying the first time. he didn't seem to dig it. it felt like grabbed political theater which frankly just felt
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theatrical. yol know if it was as much light compared to heat. what would did bringing him before the judiciary committee accomplish? >> this is a cynical move by senator linsey graham. he did not perform well. people worked with robert mul every. immediate become a fairly elderly guy. we don't know whether he wrote this op ed. the idea of bringing him before the committee to try to drill him about the investigation doesn't seem particularly useful unless he's going to bring his deputies who may with more knowledgeable. there's something that didn't get told in the robert mueller hearing because he wasn't able to tell it. it's about a campaign that was eager and willing to accept help
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from a foreign power. that is seep by some as a scandal. then there's the idea that the president obstructed justice. we haven't talk about that much lately but it's a historic episode and the public could benefit by learning more about it. >> we're seeing if he wrote it by himself or with a co-author. you're not saying we don't know if it's legit, right? >> no. it's usual for prominent people to have help putting out a book. i'm suggesting a report of people i talk to say that bob mueller who testified a year ago before congress was not the bob mueller they worked with as fbi director for those many years. >> it will be very interesting to see what that hearing is like. if past is pro log, it will be nothing short of entertaining theater. jonathan, sit tight.
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i just ought to wear one myself. it's a recommendation. they recommend it. i'm feeling good, somehow i don't see it for myself. i just don't. i had it on backstage but they said you didn't need it. so i didn't need. if you noticed, nobody else had it on that was in the group. >> i wore one back in this area but i didn't want to give the press the pleasure. >> can you take it off? because i can't hear? >> i'd wear it. >> i've been against masks but i
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do believe they have a time and a place. >> president trump has, in fact, be against masks. his memphis have been mixed at best about whether you should wear one, too. this is the first time the president appeared with a face cover. it happened at walter read medical center. florida and arizona some of the hardest hit states. tomorrow louisiana will enact a mask maup date. it was announced this weekend. >> masks are now maup dated statewide for anyone age eight and older unless they have a major health condition. >> let's discuss it with derrick hawkins and marissa yati. no more indoor service. how have these changes been received? >> well, we've had republicans
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in the state legislature who have been pushing back against coronavirus restrictions even before this. they have it as an issue of liberty and have tried to shut town the limitations that have rr existed. i think it's safe to say they haven't reacted particularly well. >> what happened in louisiana? had things gotten better and is there a clear reason why things got worse? >> i think it's a mix of reasons. categories cases are at the same levels that they were at the height of the outbreak in this state in early april. so there's some alarming infection trends there. you're seeing local officials in some places clamoring for a more coherent response from the top. in louisiana, the governor so far until last week was allowing parishes to decide for themselves what they did with masks, and you had this kind of patch work of different local
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regulations that wasn't really working because people cross county lines, state lines. it doesn't make sense in a state like louisiana where you've got a lot of movement and you cross county lines and the requirements are suddenly different. i'd not particularly effective at kishing the spread of the virus unless everybody's doing it. >> marissa, you mentioned that this has become a political facility line. how deep has that fault line run? some politicians, some lawmakers have made it a culture war virtue signalling thing as opposed to actually calling for legislation, defiance of local or statewide orders and so on. how would you characterize it? >> i think the situation in louisiana is much the same as in other states. we've seen masks becoming a political issue.
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it's viewed by some as a litmus test of how people view the president. president trump himself most of the time not wearing a mask and people who support him kind of following his lead and sometimes being very assertive that it is an infringement on their rights to be made to wear one. it's the same dynamic in louisiana as it is across the country. >> what is your sense of how president trump wearing a mask now after refusing to wear a mask up to now might affect the politics of face coverings, if at all? >> i think that's a great question, especially because what you've seen is a lack of leadership at all levels of government, starting at the top and trickling down to the states and then the localities. at each level it feels like for a long time leadership sort of passed the buck and now when you have local officials, you have mayors, you have county
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commissioners, seeing on the front lines, these hospitals getting overloaded, the effects that these spikes in infections are having on their populations on doctors, on emts on businesses. they're saying enough is is enough. we need someone to set a stronger example. so you can imagine a situation in which president trump started wearing a mask, started advocating masks, one, three, six months ago when the pandemic first reached the united states and how much confusion that might have avoided and you can even imagine we might have a better grip on the virus if that had happened. so hopefully, yes, that will have some trickle down effects. hopefully people will get the message. obviously, there are going to be people holding out and not wearing mafgs. that's to be expected, but this might set the example that a lot of folks are looking for. >> appreciate you both being with us. thanks very much. coming up next, the reliably red
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into your best life live like a stress baller with stressballs pop quiz. who was the last democratic presidential candidate that won texas. the answer? jimmy carter. 1976. two million votes to 1.9 million. last time around, donald trump won it decisively but a new poll suggests this year might be different. a poll showed president trump and joe biden tied in texas with 43% each. the latest poll taken a few weeks ago shows a clear but shaky lead. mr. biden is ahead 46% to mr. trump's 41%. it's clear because it holds up
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even with a margin of error. it's shaky pause 9% of voters said they were undecided. joe biden got more support from texas republicans than donald trump got from texas democrats. kimberly atkins and jonathan alan are back to discuss it. kim, what would winning texas mean to each of these campaigns? is it pivotal for any strategic reasons. >> well, not winning would be really devastating for donald trump's campaign. with the normal caveat that we're far out and you shouldn't read too much into one, a single pole this far out from election, especially given the way the political cycle has changed over the course of this campaign it's not coincidental that we are seeing donald trump trailing or in a dead heat with joe biden in some critical southern states, aside from texas, also in
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florida, in arizona, in other places where the coronavirus surge is happening. the president is the up come bent. he is running on his record. he is running on his ability to lead. what this is showing is americans do not believe he's doing a good job of leading through this pandemic, and so he is losing ground there. what also would be a big deal is if biden made it to the 50% point as opposed to the 46%. if he has half or more, that means donald trump will have to work to pull some of those voters back. i would watch where this poll goes in the months ahead. >> that poll does show some softening when it comes to president trump's handling of this pandemic. what about downticket elections? specifically job cornyn?
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>> a couple of things that kimberly said was right on the mark but in addition to that just in terms of the presidential real quick, if joe biden wins texas, that was the light the lights went out for donald trump around the country. it would be the largest state in terms of electoral votes of anything closely competing and it would probably remake our sense of politics for the future. donald trump is going to be it appears in texas a little bit of a drag on his ticket. i think it's harder for the democrats to take out john cornyn than it is to win the presidential election in texas. and the reason for that is that i think john cornyn is more popular in texas than president trump is beyond just the core trump base. but that doesn't mean it can't happen. and with democratic strategists, some democratic strategists have been trying to do is register
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the texans who are not registered. for a lot of folks who do voter registration, they said it's a matter of money and energy and time trying to get people registered to vote and the results will eventually turn blue. >> the new york times is report that departments are pushing for joe biden to try to win texas like texas, georgia, and ohio. his ads are running in six states that donald trump won. wisconsin, mist, pennsylvania, arizona, north carolina and florida. florida was debated before the biden campaign. kimberly, how do you read that strategy? >> el with, you know, you have a presidential campaign. you have only so much resources to go around and if they can see a path to that electoral college victory without section, focussing on these other states, there is a path to get there,
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then it would make sense to put the money where it is more likely to have -- to deliver. texas -- this isn't just a matter of the ads that the biden campaign is running. democrats have been making headway in texas for some time now. so we're seeing in part the fruit of that. the independents more likely going towards democrats than they are going toward the trump campaign. it's a careful calculation that any campaign has to make with how it spends its money and right now it's focused on trying to shore up the pace of voters that they think will most likely be on their side. >> glad to have had both of you with us. thanks very much. >> thank you. >> many students will go to college without actually going to college. is it worth it? college is it worth it ss life into your best life
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the trump administration is demanding in person education this fall encolluding at colleges and universities. that would close some off to international students. it will not let foreign students remain in the u.s. in all classes are online. last school year and the year before more than 1 million international students studied in the u.s. the economic impact, more than $40 billion. being on campus can be half the fun of going to college.
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learning to manage classes and without that life experience and those adventures and memories, is it still worth it? >> two seniors at harvard discuss that. >> students across the country are struggling with the same anxiety as colleges release plans for the fall. freshman and a small number of upper class men will be allowed on campus. live sprd out in rooms and all classes will be online. >> where do we start? there are so many decisions and questions that students are facing. >> a professor at harvard education school. >> is it fair if you're an under grad thinking about whether you will show up this fall. is it fair to say i'm not sure the money is worth the experience? >> it's a lie to say your education will be different but it will be equally good.
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i do actually think that to make it really good, as good as we can. it's expensive proposition. >> discuss it further. what more are you hearing about what college might look like and feel like this fall? >> so, across the country, colleges are going to look a bit bizarre this fall. and we're getting the details from the university. we know things will be a lot more spread out. not everyone will be allowed on campus. and it's going to look lonely and isolated. if you're an under grad, you're facing major questions. there is a the first question of the financial potential stressors on your family. it's $50,000 of tuition worth the zoom on the line experience? or a freshman and a small number of upper class men allowed on campus is $72,000 of tuition
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plus room and board worth the kind of online class experience and altered social fabric of campus. and then that doesn't even touch the immigration questions that kids are struggling through. 12% of the under grad community is foreign. that's a massive chunk of the campus culture. they are wondering do i have to buy myself a pricey ticket back to my home country? will i be taking my biology lecture at 2:00 a.m. on my time zone. and is my country safe for me to be in. they are struggling with questions and hope the lawsuit will resolve the questions for them as soon as possible. right now, what i keep hearing is they are in panic. >> did anything else stand out about how it's effecting students. especially the degree is really all that matter. you can e-mail them a pdf after
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four years. and as long as they are hired. >> that's true. one of the things i can surprise by is how consistently i have heard the word grief. or i'm grieving. the experience that i thought i was supposed to have. that there's all the cultural expectations around what college is supposed to be. the relationships i'll make with friends and professors i'll impress. and write a book with some day. people come into the institutions and spend money because they have a specific set of dreams. i have the word grief. there's a number of other social stressors on the their backs. all of these kids are like you and me. and everyone else living through this global crisis. parents lost jobs and family members got sick. and some cases passed away. they are going through the same emotional challenging experiences the country is going through. and wondering what is this
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critical educational piece of my life going to look like. how will it be impacted or stalled by next year. and am i going to spend a lot of money to go through that? and you have to remember in the case of freshmen some are minors. they are grappling with these things and don't have the power to answer the questions for themselves. >> bringing back 40%. two fifths of the under graduates. one of the nations wealthiest universities. is there any sense of how it might effect them financially to do this? >> the first thing you should not is harvard is not offering any kind of tuition remission. the price tag is the same. the degree is still the same. valuable that you expect it to be. and of course students don't agree with that. the institutions we should be paying attention to are not the harvard universities of the
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world. harvard has a massive they are going to be able to weather the storm of this the next 365 days. but we have tons of institutions in the country that were already in the middle of budget crisis before this pandemic hit. and this couldn't have come at a worse time. if there are significant in your opinions of student deferral who are not coming into 2021. that's a on their budget. for years to come. >> thank you. you can see her full story on the report. you'll find it on the short form video app. spelled quibi. stay safe and stay sharp. stay tuned. there's more just ahead. ♪ we've always put safety first.
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