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hello, everyone. i'm chris jansing. here are the latest headlines we're following at this hour. there's a white house press briefing set to guinea minute now and we'll be monotorting it. we expect the press secretary to be pressed on the trump administration spreading opposition research on dr. fo h fauci. a major medical association is now speaking out against those attacks. all of this amid the devastating covid spike, especially in florida, which shattered the
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record for daily coronavirus cases yesterday. so many cases it ranks number four in the world behind three countries. it was florida's highest increase we have seen so far. a sing is the day since the beginning of the pandemic. florida also saw nearly 500 deaths in the last week alone, which means the growing number of cases isn't just a sign of more testing. me meanwhile, house speaker nancy is pelosi pushing back against the pressure campaign to reopen schools. . >> we cannot say to kids we'll go to school, you might get sick and take it home. the biggest risk to spread of the pandemic is opening up the schools in a way that is not safe. >> as we wait for the briefing to begin, there's a big story coming out of the white house. official ily, they are actively
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working to discredit dr. fauci and undermine his dire warnings about the coronavirus. a member of the trump administration telling our reporters at nbc on sunday that, quote, several white house officials are concerned about the number of times dr. fouauci has been wrong on things. research on a respected and popular leader of its own infectious disease team. joining me from the white house is nbc's monica alba. this is not something that we are used to seeing. we also know that dr. fauci has been a trusted voice for the administration. it was born out in a "new york times" poll that shows his approval rating at 67%. compare that to a very low approval rating for the president. so give us a sense of what you have been able to learn about what's going on here. >> it's a significant escalat n escalation. what's also notable is that the press secretary offered a preview of what we might expect
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to hear from her saying that dr. fauci is only one member of that task force and he represents, in her words, only one viewpoint. so continually undercutting his contributions to that group and it comes as we have learned that dr. fauci hasn't briefed the president in more than two months and hasn't even been face to face to him since early june. so now in response to that, we have the association of american medical colleges putting out their own statement defending the health experts saying this part, taking quotes from dr. fauci out of context to discredit his scientific knowledge and judgment will do tremendous harm to get the virus under control, restore our economy and return us to a more normal way of life. we can can want more questions on that at the briefing this afternoon. and it comes as the president is elevating tweets this morning that alleged the cdc and some trusted doctors are lying about the coronavirus. there's no evidence to support that, but you can see where the
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president's thinking is on this. that tweet that i mentioned that he amplified to all his followers argued that this is a political play. so the president is viewing this in terms of his reelection hopes in november as opposed to the public health crisis. i think that's the crux of this issue. the white house wants to move on. they haven't determined how they are going to address these spike ises in these states. they are working and spending ample time trying to discredit the nation's top infectious disease expert. >> monica, as we wait for the briefing, thank you for that. we want to do a deeper dive on florida. the latest epicenter of the virus shattering coronavirus records over the weekend. the state just reported 12,300 new cases today. the second highest ever after yesterday's 15,000 total. there are now nearly 270,000 cases across florida. that's more than the total number of cases in all of europe. and it comes as disney world is reopening its doors to two theme
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parks for the first time in four months. joining me from orlando is sam brock. you're in the nation's theme park capital right now. what are you hearing from residents? are they nervous about these reopenings? >> reporter: it's really split. good afternoon. we're hearing from families that are taking every possible precaution, they are bringing sanitizer and wipes. they have their temperatures checked. they feel like the reduced capacity at disney world is giving them comfort. plenty of others and beyond in florida reacting to this it of crazy high numbers, 15,000 yesterday, 12,000 today, 28,000 in a two-day period. but before we see this through a prisment, we need to look at what is going on with the testing. that's often times a narrative that you hear from poll tugss. more testing is going to bring more numbers. that is true. they did 112,000 tests. 143,000 the day before.
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so the question then becomes what percentage of people are actually testing positive. if it you go back to last thursday, it was 20.7%. 1 of every 5 people tested in the state of florida. fast forward now to today, we're looking at numbers around 12.9%. that's still unacceptably high for most places in the country. but it's significant lly lower than where it was. we have breaking news. as operations continue here at disney world, we just found out that in hong kong, disneyland there will be closing down on july 15th as they see more spikes in that part of china. they are shutting it down. the hotels will stay open with elevated levels of attention to sanitization, but that just gives you a brush stroke of comparison. theme parks here open. in china they are closing down at the same time and it's only a matter of time before officials have to address whether it's fair and acceptable to keep amusement parks open in the middle of the spike.
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>> sam brock, thank you so much. local officials in arizona have begun purchasing refrigerated storage units that would be used as hospital systems are pushed to their limits. the state just saw its record for patients in icu beds breaken on sunday. joining me from phoenix is von hilliard. so phoenix's mayor was on friday and said one of the hospital systems had reached capacity. it's more capacity. but county health officials have denied that claim. what can you tell us on that? >> reporter: the county health officials say right now it's not a crisis. at the same time, the county is trying to set up a contract for refrigeratored storage units as well as this hospital here behind us. the health hospital group is already placed orders for refrigerated medical units. i was talking with a nurse that
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told me today it's crazy there. i feel like it's only going to get worse. almost every unit is a covid unit now. this is a reality. and you can hear from the white house their own interpretation of events. or you can talk to the the folks that are working in these facilities here right now. and right now, they are overloaded. today yet again, arizona broke a record for number of beds in use. and today broke a record for ventilators in use. those are the metrics that we're able to go off of. yesterday another 86 individuals reported dead. ask when i say those were going to go up, it's because of what sam was saying is the case in florida. testing. it's still so significantly difficult to get a test. i know we have been saying that for weeks, but it's impacting the workforce here in these communities. i want to let you hear from the mayor who lays out quite clearly what the stakes are at right now. >> my community is about 88%
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latino. and the vast majority of my community does not have the luxury of working from home. they are at the front lines here in arizona. they are providing food. they are at our hospitals. they are risking their lives day in and day out so people in our economy move forward. they are leaving them behind when it comes to the most crucial component and that's testing. >> the meat packing plant is still open. farm workers are still going out. restaurants are still open and still takes more than a week to get your test results back. that's what leads this state into a crisis. >> those are pretty disturbing
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numbers. thank you. with coronavirus deaths on the rise in almost every region of the country, the surgeon is general is suggesting that the pandemic can be brought under control quickly and easily. >> together we can turn this thing around and just two to three weeks if everyone does their part. showing the effectiveness of face coverings. >> two to three weeks for what exactly? >> it's about two to three we s weeks. just as we have seen cases skyrocket, we can turn this thing around in two to three weeks. >> joining me now is the president and ceo of the biotechnology innovation. so glad to have you on the program. doctor, i dent know if you heard this morning, the world health o realistic to expect to eradicate the virus in the coming months or that a perfect vaccine is coming. do you agree?
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>> yes. most definitely. this is a marathon, not a sprint. we need to make sure that we are steadfast in our resolve and we stick by the scientists that they continue to do their work. we at the biotechnology innovation represent companies that are working at breakneck speed to try to develop solutions. there will be vaccines. there will be therapeutics, but we can't lose our hope. we have to stay the course. >> two more pharmaceutical companies have been given fast track status for their vaccines. we saw a little bit of reaction on wall street as a result. with such ambitious timelines, what can you tell us about the safety and efficacy, which is a concern that a lot of people have with what they see as pushing this through. >> that is such a common question and concern. what we have seen has been
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amazingly quick process. it's been amazing to see that in a mere 24 weeks, our companies have started over 635 projects, specifically aimed at fighting covid. 135 of which are aimed at generating a new vaccine. but just because this progress has been fast and has been fruitful, doesn't mean corners have been cut. this progress has come because there's been unprecedented cooperation, unprecedented collaborations to make sure we make progress as fast as possible. everyone has turned their attention to fighting this deadly virus and everyone is trying to make sure we get successful cures and vaccines out the other end. i used to work at the food and drug administration. i know firsthand that that agency does not cut corners when it comes to making sure that the products that come to market are safe and effective. so just because you hear those collaborations, just because you hear things are going quickly,
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that doesn't mean that what comes out the other end won't be something that's helpful, useful and that we can have trust in. >> let me ask a scientific question then if i can. there's just so much about this virus we don't know. so much we don't understand. so as our knowledge base evolves, will the vaccines evolve as well? essentially, how do developers keep up with the science? >> the good news is that the scientists are collaborating with each other and communica communicating with each other. so as we learn new things, we're incorporating that into the research. the other piece of good news is that the virus doesn't seem to be mutating as quickly as the influenza vaccine. so it's letting us catch up. it's letting our knowledge really take hold and come through in the solutions and strategies that we are using to generate new vaccines. i really have full confidence that by this time in the spring
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of next year, we'll be sitting there talking about how successful vaccines are really making a difference and turning the tide. but we're talking about a process that's going to take some time but that shows great promise. >> when the surgeon general is talking about two to three week, he said we can turn it around by wearing masks and social distancing and virtually every medical professional agrees with them. it can make a big difference. but in terms of a vax keen when you talk about next spring. does that mean we have enough vaccines for the people that want them or need them? i know some companies are gearing up already for even producing vaccines before they get final approval. give us your view of that. >> it's a good question. yes, the public health measures in place are critically important. we must do everything we can before we have a vaccine to keep ourselves and our families safe.
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wear masks, stay home, use social distancing. we have the home of bridge therapies. that can help us be therapy ikly treating. and those are getting more and more successful every day. now as far as being able to produce enough vaccine for the people in need, the scientists are not just working on the scientific solve of how they make a vaccine. they are also looking frr slver closely at what's needed to manufacture these vaccines at scale. so everyone knows the scale of the issue and the scale of the problem we face. they want to make sure we have what we need for all the people who need it. >> doctor, thank you so much for being on the program. we appreciate it. i'm sure we'll be checking back in with you as we continue to see progress made toward a vaccine. thank you again. coming up, why did lindsey
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graham change his mind about robert mueller testifying? more than a year after democrats asked for it. today we're learning a formal invitation is in the the works. but first, a major announcement from washington, d.c.'s nfl team. it is retiring its controversial name and logo criticized for being antinative american. the team has not said what the new name will be. you're watching msnbc. g msnbc. is mealtime a struggle?
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a former prosecutor on robert mueller's team is about to give us an insider account of the russia investigation. the associated press reporting andrew weisman has a new book coming out. even as we learn mueller could be back before congress. lindsey graham says he will call mueller to testify about the investigation following mueller's op-ed in the "washington post" slamming president trump's decision to commute roger stone's prison sentence. stone was prosecuted and convicted because he committed federal crimes. he remains a convicted felon and rightfully so. joining me now is former counsel to the house judiciary committee norm iceman, author of the book "a case for the american people." good to see you. so lot to talk about.
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on friday hours before the president commuted stone's sentence, senator graham tweeted in support of the move. why do you think now he's ready to call mueller in to testify, again, more than a year after the democrats first asked for it? >> chris, thanks for having me back on the show. and the reason that senator graham is behaving this way is because he evidently wants to be a part of the obstruction of justice conspiracy that seems to be unfolding between president trump and roger stone. it's one of the la meantable aspects of the era of trump instead of providing the kind of independent oversight we would expect from the chairman of the judiciary committee, he's enable ing donald trump's obstructive pardon of roger stone.
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having seen him every morning of the impeachment trial, every day of the impeachment trial, on the familiar of the senate, it is no surprise, but it is still a profound disappointment. >> so give us a sense of what you think. what would a hearing with mueller in front of the senate judiciary committee look like? what do you think? >> well, i sat through the advise chairman nadler and the judiciary committee on the last mueller hearing. bob is a very reluctant witness. i think that it would be painful. i suspect that senator graham and the majority on the judiciary committee, on the senate side would have to subpoena is him to get him in there. and the main focus would be the cooky, crazy claim, one that has been rebutted by the doj's own ig, the independent voice that somehow the trump/russia investigation was cooked up or
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illegal. that's phoney. but they would use this hearing to drive that frankly crazy knanarrative. >> but is there something that the democrats could get out of this? is there thfgs that information that would be useful to them or an it ration of the kinds of things mueller felt compelled after a year of silence to talk about in that op-ed? >> well, i was there. it's like pulling teeth, chris, to get information. we did get useful information from him when we heard from bob mueller before the house. and i do think with great effort, he will reiterate what we all know. that the pardon is wrong. that there's evidence that stone could roll over. he has incriminating evidence against the president. that the president lied about that same evidence, the wikileaks contacts when he talked to bob. they can work some information
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out of him, but i hate to say it. i'm of the school that bob's investigation for all the good he did was a disappointment. he didn't go far enough. i fear that we would be disappoint ed if he were hauled before the senate again as part of lindsey graham's effort to intimidate him. >> norm, thank you for coming on the program. good luck with the book. >> thanks, chris, great to be back with you. up next, schools in new york can reopen this fall if daily infection rates stay at or below 5% for a two-week period. what exactly that reopening would look like remains to be seen. plus the disturbing news of a french bus driver beaten to death bypass engineer when is he asked them to wear face masks. you're watching msnbc. masks. you're watching msnbc. i'm greg, i'm 68 years old.
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turning now to the latest developments in the coronavirus pandemic. here are the facts as we know them this hour. top world health organization official michael ryan says schools are become iing a politl football and there needs to be a
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discussion of a comprehensive strategy across society. >> you can't move from let's deal with the schools and then deal with that for a week or two and then the workplace or infection and hospitals or care facilities. this is playing whack a mole. >> just minutes ago, nba all star said he tested positive for covid-19 on his way to team practice with the houston rockets in orlando. westbrook is currently in quarantine feeling well, but urging people to take this virus seriously. in the meantime, high school sports return to chicago today. the public school system is allowing groups up to 50 people to work out together for the first time since the pandemic began. with guidelines like social distancing and face coverings. and the chief medical officer at methodist hospital in san antonio saying a 30-year-old patient died of coronavirus after telling its nurse about attending a covid party.
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>> people get together and see if the virus is real and if anyone gets infected. just before the patient died, they looked at their nurse and said i think i made a mistake. i thought this was a hoax, but it's not. >> it is not. new york governor andrew cuomo announced new guidance that schools across the state can reopen this fall as long as their region reached phase four and daily infection rate stays below 5% for two weeks. the state is home to the country's largest school district. new york city, which will face its own unique challenges for its more than 1 million students if and when they reopen. kathy park joins me from manhattan. i know you have been talking to some parents about the struggles of remote learning and the idea of getting kids back into the classroom. what are they telling you? >> reporter: chris, let me say
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that they deserve an a-plus for effort because they really had to jump into the role of teacher overnight. not only are they juggling their own work, but schoolwork and also ironing out technological glitch they might have to troubleshoot when the students are in front of the computer for hours on end. so here in new york city right now, as far as reopening, it looks like it will be a hybrid model. so this combination of remote learning as well as in-person learning. so on average, students will be in the classroom two to three times per week. however, families have the option of all remote learning. then they will be able to go back to the blended learning model at different points throughout the year. what we'll look like in the classroom, the school's handler will be making use of larger spaces like gymnasiums and auditoriums to spread out the students for the in-class learning experience. they will be doing a lot of cleaning throughout the day and the overnight hours. and of course, leading up to
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september, the hvac systems will be upgraded to improve the ventilation. so we ask parents what do they think about this approach. and their feelings right now are mixed. and we spoke with one who talked about the challenges and the many struggles of having to learn at home. >> it's not easy because the parents have all the work. and it's really hard on the parents. so i think they should just work it out the best they can. some parents are not home. they depend on relatives to help. and it's not easy. doing that every morning, some don't know how to work. it's hard. there's a lot of teachers. >> despite the faplan that's la
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out in new york city, governor cuomo said it's ultimately up to him to decide whether schools will reopen this fall. and we will have more guidance come the first week of august. >> kathy park as folk there is in new york city wait for that guidance. thank you for the update. this is just an awful story. the city in france is mourning the senseless death of a bus driver who died after being attacked on passenger who is he told to wear masks. last week thus of people took to the streets demanding justice as the victims' widow said the loss destroyed her and their three daughters. foreign correspondent sarah harmon is following the story for us. what more can you tell us about this case? >> reporter: well you hit the nail on the head. senseless is the only word to describe this attack. two people have now been arrested on attempted murder charges. three others have been arrested
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on lesser charges. it is, of course, the law to wear a face mask on public transit in france. so this bus driver who is only doing his job when he asks these passengers to cover up. instead of complying, they allegedly pull him off the bus and beat him so badly that he ended up in the hospital with brain damage. now that was on july 5th. his family has since made the difficult decision to remove him from life support. and they are now asking for these attackers to face the strongest possible punishment for them to be made an example of that no one else should ever have to feel the pain that they are feeling right now. there is an expectation that since the bus driver has now died, those attempted murder charges could possibly be upgraded. even though face masks haven't been politicized in the same way in europe as they were in the states, it's falling to the front line workers to enforce the policy ises.
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sadly, this bus driver paid the ultimate price. >> boy, did he. it is required there. to wear face masks on public transportation. just tragic. sarah harmon, thank you for the update. coming up, we're live in houston where the number of covid cases in that city, all across texas, are reaching record levels. houston's mayor is proposing a second shutdown. >> we opened too quickly, too soon. we have to acknowledge the fact that the numbers are continuing to rise. we have to recognize that not everybody is going to put on this mask. and so knowing all of that and knowing what works, you got to recalibrate. it seems texas voters are souring on the president's handling of the coronavirus. with "morning joe" building a 5-point lead in polling there. we'll get the latest numbers from steve kornacki after the break. from steve kornacki after the break. r pockets
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the rate for covid-19 tests coming up positive in texas is now at a record high. jumping more than 16% this weekend up to from the previous high of 15.85%. the numbers are so concerning that governor abbott warns the state may need another lockdown if conditions don't improve. houston's mayor is calling on the governor to mount a more aggressive response. >> you don't send kids back to school when there's a raging fire and the fire is still burning. put the fire out in july. so shut down for a couple weeks. >> joining me from houston b is msnbc's pri sill will thovrp son. what can you tell us about any plans or pushes there to help get this outbreak under control in texas? >> reporter: well, we just
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learned that the medical traffic force that was sent by the department of defense is now on the ground here in houston. they are meeting with hospital administrators right now trying to figure out where best to deploy the team of about 85 clinicians and support staff to help these hospitals that right now are being inundated with those covid-19 patients. and this comes as houston last week saw two days, more than 1,000 positive cases and we just learned that russell westbrook tested positive for covid-19. so he's quarantining here. he's a guard for the houston rockets. instead of being with his team in florida, he's here quarantining at the moment. the mayor is watching all of this play out in his city. we certainly hear him ratcheting up that language. he plays the responsibility for the kwarly on governor abbott's shoulders saying, yes, the state
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reopened too soon. while he appreciates there's a mass order in place, that simply is not enough to contain what he is seeing in the city right now. so governor abbott has been very reluctant to issue that statewide shutdown order, but he has said it could become necessary. but for now, he's continuing to really drive home the point of getting folks to wear masks here in texas. >> pris thank you so much. with the pandemic raging there, president trump is taking a big hit in texas. new polls show iing the preside trailing democratic nominee "morning joe" in a state that's been deeply red. here to help me break down the numbers is msnbc national political correspondent steve kornacki. hello, my friend. what are the numbers showing and how do they compare to this point in past elections? >> here's a blast from the past. how about this? a time machine to show you 44 years ago. these are the results from the
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presidential race in texas. jimmy carter, the democrat narrowly defeating gerald ford. this is the last time that a democrat carried texas in a presidential election. the question is will 2020 offer the first time since 1976 or will it be a continuation of the pattern we have seen since then. you mentioned new numbers. we have a couple new polls out of texas. one of them the poll does have trump up by a point. another has biden ahead by 5. if you look at the average of the different polls that have been taken recently in texas right now, what you've got is a dead heat. 45/45. when you think about this, in the national polls right now, biden tends to lead trump by about 10 points. and what was the margin in texas in 2016? trump won the state by 9. so if you have a national margin that's got the democrat ahead by 10 at the statewide level, that's the recipe for what you've got right now. a dead heat in texas.
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that's the presidential race. there's also this tomorrow in texas. a runoff. the democrats in texas will choose between two candidates here. the winner will get john cornyn, the republican in the fall. some of the recent polling we mentioned the presidential race. cornyn has been doing better than trump. but potentially, if texas is in play in the presidential race, you have to keep an eye on that senate race in texas. and by the way, one other just to tee this up, another runoff tomorrow in alabama. jones, the democrat running for a full term, we'll find out if he will tas the form er auburn football coach or jeff sessions, became attorney general, left, now has trump trying to destroy him politically, can session ises pull off an upset? that will be a tough one for democrats to hold on to. in what otherwise is looking like a promising senate map for them. >> so interesting. seeing you reminds me of how much i miss being a couple doors down.
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our offices are almost next to each other. i'm always popping my head in. good to see you. >> look forward to doing that again. >> do we ever. we have been monitoring the white house press briefing. moments ago the press secretary was pressed on the white house recent efforts to discredit dr. fauci. here's some of that exchange. >> why not have the guts to trash talk fauci with your own names? >> president trump -- i'll refer you back. there's no opposition research being dumped to reporters. we were asked a specific question by "the washington post." that question was president trump noted that dr. fauci made some mistakes and we provide d direct answer to what was a direct question. >> okay. no research, but there were detailed list of things they said that he said were wrong. so you be the judge of that. we have a lot more to come.
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enforcement detention facilit s facilities. major contractors who run these facilities will testify about the conditions for detainees during the coronavirus pandemic. at the same time, a federal district court in d.c. will hold a hearing about whether nbc newe correspondent julia ainsley. walk us through what we expect to see in both of these hearings and what it could mean for immigrant detainees. >> so for immigrant families in detention, this could mean separation. and d.c., we're watching this court hearing very closely because the judge has the authority to demand that i.c.e. release the parents. we know that the children have already been ordered releases by a judge in california, with a deadline of this friday. but the question is, does i.c.e. have to release the parents as well? i.c.e. has the discretion to do that, but they may have to be ord ordered. we're watching to see whether the judge orders that and whether i.c.e. will argue to see
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where they come down on whether they should release families together. on the hill, we're hearing from house homeland security as they interview and bring to testify the top ceos from the private prison companies running immigration detention centers. as you know, my colleague jacob soboroff and i have recently done deep dives into these centers where detainees say there's been a staffing shortage so they're not able to get enough to eat, fought able to get out, not able to shower, and recently we found out one detention center in arizona has such a staffing shortage that half of the staff is sick and immigrants have been held in their cells almost 24 hours at some periods. >> half? >> half of the staff. almost 150 of the 300. >> wow. julia ainsley, always with the latest reporting. thank you so much for that. joining me now is democratic senator from hawaii, m mazy hirono, and i want to get your thoughts on the possible i.c.e.
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could release these children without their parents, senator. >> i think that would be a very dangerous thing to do. and i think that the parents should be released with their children, and there are ways to monitor these families. we have had programs in the past that does that. but this is an administration that does all kinds of cruel things, and of course, we know what happened to the separation of the children at the border at the very beginning. so i.c.e. has that option, and they should exercise that option to keep the tamallys together, and then to be able to monitor where they are in a humane way. >> let me ask you about another aspect of immigration. i'm sure you saw the president saying over the weekend he has big news on immigration, specifically daca. i want to play what he told my colleague, jose diaz-balart. >> you seem to be laser focused on deporting daca. >> yeah. >> why? >> i'm not. i'm not at all. i'm taking care of daca. i'm going to do a big executive
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order. i have the power to do it as president, and i'm going to make daca a part of it, but we put it in. and we probably are going to then be taking it out. we're going to have a road to citizenship. >> okay, so that's, as an executive order, not as a congressional -- >> if you look at the supreme court ruling, they gave the president tremendous powers. i'm going to be doing an immigration bill. one of the aspects of the bill you'll be happy with and a lot of people will be, including me, and a lot of republicans, by the way, will be daca. we'll give them a road to citizenship. >> so that was a little confusing because he kept going back in the interview between bill and executive order, but i guess bottom line, do you think any action on daca will come out of this administration? >> i have serious questions about whether the president keeps his word about anything because i remember when he said to a group of us who met with him, members, bipartisan group from the house and senate met with him, and he said bring me a
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bipartisan bill on daca to protect them, and i will sign it. that was on a tuesday. by thursday, that was out the window. and yet, he did end the daca program that protected some 800,000 dreamers from deportation, and so now when he says that he wants a clear path to citizenship, he could have done that two years ago without having these young people, some of them are a little older, without them being on pins and needles and being so anxious. so the president goes back and forth. and the fact of the matter is that over 200,000 of the daca participants are on the front lines. they're doctors, nurses. they are care givers. and they are contributing to our country as they always have been. and if the president does protect the dreamers, i will be really gratified. but he's changed his mind too many times. >> let me ask you about robert mueller because you're on the
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judiciary committee and your chairman, senator lindsey graham, now says he wants to see mueller called in to testify. do you support that? >> i think that this is coming a year too late. there are a number of us, democrats, who called for robert mueller to come before our senate judiciary committee very shortly after the report was released. but within that year's time, we all know that russia interfered with our elections. that is not even in dispute, but the president is totally obsessed about disputing that. and in that time, we now have three crises we're having to deal with, and it's a pandemic, an economic crisis, we have police brutality, and systemic racism crisis. and so what's happening is that really covering for the president and his failures is the operating principle for his enablers. what are we going to hear from bob mueller at this point?
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nothing much. and we should be dealing with the pandemic, with the opening of schools. you just did a perfect coverage on the concerns that everyone has about schools reopening. we should be dealing with economic crisis. and we should be dealing with the racism that is in our country, to which the president speaks to. because he has a base of supporters who are very anti-immigrant and white supremacists. that's a lot of his base and he speaks to, so the divisiveness continues. we should focus on the things we need to focus. i'm just saying this president doesn't take responsibility for anything. he only cares about himself, unlike another candidate that i know, joe biden. >> senator, always good to have you on the program. thank you so much for taking the time. >> and that's going to wrap up this hour for me. my colleague, katy tur, will pick up our coverage right after this quick break. you doing okay?
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i'm katy tur. it's 11:00 a.m. out west and 2:00 p.m. here in the east. today, the white house is actively trying to discredit the nation's top infectious disease expert, one of the most trusted men in this country. dr. anthony fauci, and they're doing it right in the middle of a pandemic that has killed more than 137,000 americans. now, the president and his team are facing widespread backlash, foremost from the association of american medical colleges. and just a moment ago, white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany was asked about why the president and his team were trying to tear down one of his own experts. >> we provided a direct response to a direct question. and that's about it. and to the notion that there's opposition research and that there's fauci versus the predcouldn't be further from the truth. dr. fauci and the president have always had a good working relationship. >> we're going have more on that in a

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