i'm katy tur. it's 11:00 a.m. out west and 2:00 p.m. here in the east. today, the white house is actively trying to discredit the nation's top infectious disease expert, one of the most trusted men in this country. dr. anthony fauci, and they're doing it right in the middle of a pandemic that has killed more than 137,000 americans. now, the president and his team are facing widespread backlash, foremost from the association of american medical colleges. and just a moment ago, white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany was asked about why the president and his team were trying to tear down one of his own experts. >> we provided a direct response to a direct question. and that's about it. and to the notion that there's opposition research and that there's fauci versus the predcouldn't be further from the truth. dr. fauci and the president have always had a good working relationship. >> we're going have more on that in a moment, but that

disinformation campaign is coming as covid-19 tears through much of the south and southwest. florida is shattering records. over the weekend, it reported more than 15,000 cases. the most of any state at any time during the pandemic. today, the number is at 12,000 new cases. and right now, a house committee is holding a virtual hearing on i.c.e.'s response to covid-19, as earlier today a federal judge heard arguments in a lawsuit demanding migrants separated at the border be released and reunited with their families because there isn't enough medical care to keep them safe. but let us begin today at the white house and that effort to discredit dr. fauci. in a move similar to a political campaign, an unnamed white house official sent nbc a list of nearly a doesn't past statements by anthony fauci that were not true. ultimately proven untrue as our understanding, and this is important, as our understanding

of the pandemic has changed. a recent poll from sienna and "the new york times" found that more than two thirds of the country trust dr. anthony fauci to provide accurate information about the pandemic. while only about a quarter said the same of president trump. joining me from the white house is nbc news political reporter monica alba. i know kayleigh mcenany said this wasn't opposition research, and opposition research is normally what you use against a political campaign, but this list of these past statements, it looked much like what you would see a campaign send out about their opponent. i'm wondering, in your conversations, does the white house, does the president now see dr. anthony fauci as one of his political opponents? >> well, it's really hard to see this in any other light than opposition research there, katy, even though you have the press secretary calling it something else. it's really exactly what it is. you have here a president who doesn't like to be overshadowed,

either in popularity or accountability, by any of his aides or staff. now we're seeing that appear to extend to his own health experts, as you know so well, this is a president who likes to talk about the celebrities he feels he's created, but he doesn't like it when they go out and contradict him. and we have seen that time and time again from dr. fauci, who has served presidents of both parties dating back decades. what you had today was kayleigh mcenany saying how can you argue the president and dr. fauci are at odds. it's quite easy, we have data points. dr. fauci hasn't briefed president trump in more than two months, and the two men haven't been face-to-face since early june, which is significant. and now, kayleigh mcenany is also having to answer questions about another tweet the president elevated this morning with incorrect information arguing that the cdc and some medical experts and doctors even are lying about the coronavirus pandemic. take a listen to how she defended that message being amplified from the president's twitter account in the briefing

just now. >> the president with his intent in that retweet expressed his displeasure with the cdc, some rogue individuals leaking guidelines prematurely. you had a 63-page plan that was leaked prematurely. he believes that misleads the american public when there are planning materials released that are not in their fullest form, their best form. that's what he was getting at. overall, the notion of the tweet was to point out the fact when we use science, we have to use it in a way that is not political. >> katy, the president is someone who has often made this political. you look at the issue of reopening schools. he's made that something about democrats opposing his own plans, and as for dr. fauci, though he hasn't appeared from the white house or in the briefings reesently, he continues to do media interviews and other appearances. he just appeared in a stanford university webinar where he told people, we haven't even begun to see the end of this first wave of the health crisis. katy. >> making it political. you mentioned that example.

but there's also the example of masks. at one point, the president saying if you're wearing a mask, it's almost like a political statement against me. monica alba, thank you very much. >> and florida reported over 12,600 new cases of covid-19 today. that is a staggering number in its own right, but yesterday, the state shattered national records with more than 15,000 new cases reported in 24 hours. that is the highest one-day total reported by any state since the beginning of this pandemic. one frontline nurse in tallahassee described her concerns to nbc news. >> covid-19 has brought us many challenges, such as ppe shortages, staffing issues, protecting our patients from the virus, not catching the virus ourselves, and the risk of bringing it home to our loved ones. not only do i come to work and worry about the safety of my patients but i also worry about

taking covid home to my family. >> nbc news correspondent kerry sanders has more from miami gardens, florida. >> katy, the numbers here in florida continue to be disturbing. the most recent number of positive tests now, 12,624. that follows the record set in florida of 15,300 plus, and to put that into perspective, that is more in a single day than even new york had when it was the epicenter of coronavirus. when you look at this sort of globally, look at the state of florida, and if florida were its own country, it would have the fourth largest number of coronavirus results. take a look at this. florida number four behind the entire united states, brazil, and india. it sort of puts an exclamation point on the problem happening here in florida. and all of this, of course,

happening as things are in many ways returning to normal. you had disney world over the weekend that opened the magic kingdom and animal kingdom. on wednesday of this week, it will be opening up epcot as well as hollywood studios. so a general sense that things are returning to normal, while the numbers are telling a completely different story. and when it comes to deaths, that's also disturbing. three weeks ago, about 30 people were dying a week in florida. in the last seven days, that number has climbed to 71 on average. it is certainly not what those health officials who are encouraging people to take this seriously want to see happen. but things are working, katy, on both ends here, on the one hand, recognizing that the numbers are going up and the death toll is going up, while at the same time, people are returning to normal. and of course, one of the big questions is about leadership in the state. governor ron desantis

maintaining his position that each county and each city should come up with its own set of rules rather than blanket rules the way they have done in texas now with governor abbott now ordering everyone to wear masks. katy. >> kerry sanders with a perfect segue into our next guest. let's bring in dr. marty. she's a professor at florida university and specializes in infectious diseases. she also helped craft miami-dade county's reopening plan and sits on the mayor's medical advisory council. doctor, thank you so much. in crafting the plan for miami-dade, how much were you hampered or did it help to have a county-by-county approach and not a state down directive coming from governor desantis? >> well, the way it works is we are allowed to increase whatever level the state provides and

then each city can go even higher than what each county determines. that's the way it works. and that's not -- of course, what really hampered us is not having a whole of government approach. whether you're talking about cities, in our case the league of cities in which there's 34 in miami-dade, the county, the state, or the country, or the world. we need everyone to have a solid view of this virus, and that's where we mostly failed. we didn't manage to convince our population to follow the new normal guidelines. we didn't convince them that they had to use masks, keep the social distance, clean their hands, and use respiratory etiquette. that's where we failed. >> because of that, we're seeing spikes in a lot of places that reopened faster than other places, where masks -- wearing masks were not mandatory, et cetera. florida reported 15,000 new cases over the weekend. is that due to more testing or is that due to a rampant spread

of the virus? >> our hospitals are overwhelmed. we have seven hospitals that are at maximum capacity right now in miami-dade alone. the state is having more and more problems in terms of the admissions to hospital. this is completely real. it's not about increased testing. it's about increased real cases and real people who are not just positive but actually sick from this virus. and at all ages. here in miami-dade, the mean age is about 45. a little less than that, so we have gone up from the last week where we were more in the 30s, which is typical for how this virus spreads. it starts with those people who do the wrong thing and get too close together, usually younger individuals. and they then share it with older individuals who then come to hospital. that's what we're seeing. and it's absolutely tragic. and no, this is very real. right now in miami-dade for the

last two weeks, our average positive rate is 26%. that's just unacceptably high. around the world, we're not supposed to be doing reopening if we're over 5%. in the u.s., we elected to use 10%. regardless, we're at 26%. way too high for where we need to be to get rid of this virus. >> some schools in florida are going to reopen as early as the middle of august. governor desantis wants them to all reopen. is there something that florida can do right now to insure that reopening schools in a month's time will be safe? >> you're absolutely right. excellent question. and it's a challenging issue because there are reasons why children should be face-to-face with one another, mostly psychological and learning reasons, but in terms of the pandemic, it's dangerous right now with the kinds of positivity

that we have. so what can we do? we are doing things. we have made changes in our county, but yes, ideally, the entire state should, for example, have the mask mandate as a civil penalty if you're not using it. certainly, we're doing that here in miami-dade. we have curfews. we have closed indoor activities where there have been mass gatherings of any kind, including indoor restaurants and gyms and all kinds of places and things where this is a high risk. however, if we don't see this turning around, then unfortunately, we may have to put a lid on that as well and go even further and go back into a lockdown. but a lockdown won't work, just like it didn't work the last time, unless we have a total comprehensive approach. and what does that mean? that means that not only do we have to convince the public to take the actions and take it serious and understand the risks from this virus, do all the

things we all know we have to do personally, for personal responsibility, but we have to have trust in government, a unified approach. we have to have contact tracing and better contact tracing in miami-dade, the models show that we should have between 6,000 and 10,000 contact tracers. and we have in the hundreds. that's it. moreover, the questions that are asked in these contact tracings need to be better, testing needs to be better, and it needs to be faster. the turnaround time needs to be faster. and we need more trained doctors and nurses to handle these increased loads. only then can we get this thing under control. >> i wish we could say that those problems just were affecting florida, because it seems like if they were just affecting florida, that would be easier to overcome. scaling up testing, scaling up contact tracing, scaling up trust in government and institutions and getting the public on the same page. but it's happening all across the country, which is making it even more difficult to achieve

those goals that you just laid out. dr. marty, thank you so much for joining us. we do appreciate your time and all of your expertise. >> let's go to another hot spot in arizona which added more than 1,300 new coronavirus cases to an already staggering rise this morning. and leaders around the state are preparing for the outbreak there to get much worse. it is one of the highest rates of infection, arizona does, in the nation, with 14% of tests coming back positive. those tests are in short supply, as we were just talking about. and just like florida, icus are nearly full. and e.r. doctor in phoenix told nbc news his hospital has no beds left. >> we're at over 100% capacity, if that's possible. every place that has a potential bed, we have a person. sometimes we're doubling up, and sometimes we're putting people

in hallways, unfortunately. >> joining me now from phoenix is nbc news reporter vaughn hillyard. so vaughn, what is the latest there today? >> exactly what that e.r. doctor you just had laid out there. you're dealing with a reality that again today broke the record for number of icu beds in use, again today broke the record for number of ventilators in use. so while some could suggest that you're starting to see a little bit of leveling off of the percent positive rate, it's still over 20%, which is double what florida is at. to suggest that somehow arizona is heading in the right direction falls short of the reality that folks are seeing inside of places like this hospital here behind me. you're at a central campus, i got off the phone with one nurse who just laid out quite frankly for me what the situation is. saying, quote, they're not staffed well today or any day. it's not safe. the icus, they're supposed to be 2 to 1, but they have been putting those numbers to 3 to 1

in the name of the pandemic. now they're running out of staff. staff is also getting sick. they never staff to allow for sickness. we weren't prepared. whether people are afraid or not of the virus, think of the pressure and sacrifices of our staff and the care provided to those inside. we're in the middle of july. that is much like the message you heard from folks in march. and yet still, it's that strug tool get that message across here. i should note that today's high is about 111. yesterday's high here in the greater valley area was 117. if you want a reason to stay at home, it's this, the weather. at the same time, businesses are still open. restaurants are still open. retailers are still open. we have been having these conversations with folks that are like, look, they have to continue to go to work. the meat packing plant is still open. without a lack of testing, you're not able to get a true sense of just how far and wide the scope of this spread is here. and until that happens, until there's an expansion of testing and as you were talking about, contact tracing here, the

question is, can the state here do more than plateau but actually bring down the trajectory here in arizona? >> vaughn hillyard, vaughn, and as you were just speaking, there was breaking news in the state of california that we want to give the audience. the state's two largest public school districts, both in los angeles and san diego, will go to online classes only in the fall. so both los angeles and san diego schools going full online in the fall, deciding it's just not safe to reopen the schools out there this fall. and still ahead this hour, those pandemic unemployment benefits run out in a couple weeks. will congress step in to help americans who are out of work? the house majority leader will join me. >> plus, most agree the best thing for kids is to get them back in school this fall. just gave you the breaking news about san diego and los angeles. what about everywhere else and how do we do it safely? >> also, after this break, law and order for whom? it is a question being raised

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>> -- to uphold the laws of our nation, and that is exactly what i will do. i am your president of law and order. >> president trump has long proclaimed himself to be a law and order president.

but the recent commutation of his old friend roger stone and the dismissal of charges against michael flynn raise questions. who does that law and order apply to? and under the trump administration, are there two justice systems? one for trump loyalists and the other for the rest of us? joining me now is zerlina maxwe maxwell, the senior director of progressive programming for sirius xm and author of the new book, the end of white politics. it's always good to have you. i wanted to talk to you about this subject in particular because in describing inequality in your book, you talk about how there are two different systems. one for the well connected and the powerful, and the way they get treated, and another one for the most vulnerable who get treated the most harshly at times, often for the most petty missteps. when you saw the president commute roger stone's sentence, what was your reaction? >> well, i think it's a reminder that if you're with the

president, if you support the president, defend the president, you can lie, cheat, and essentially commit crimes with impunity. so what it reminds the american people is that the president was impeached and a number of his associates have been indicted, charged, convicted, imprisoned for committing crimes related to his election, but also independent of his election. so he's clearly surrounded himself with a particular type of person. i think what it demonstrates in this moment is that there are those two justice systems. when donald trump is saying he's the law and order president, what he means is that i don't have to obey the law, but you do. and so, you know, when you're thinking through, you know, the consequences for black and brown communities, for minor missteps or even not committing a crime at all, katy, because remember, asylum seekers are detained right now during this pandemic, and they have not committed a crime. but even in the case of someone

like george floyd, he was accused of using a counterfeit $20 bill to buy food, and he is dead today. and again, the system that allows that to happen is the same system that also allows a person who committed the crime to go home. there is no accountability. so that's what the two systems essentially are. it's that white americans and the more affluent and well connected can get away with crimes with impunity and no fear of consequences while black and brown people cannot even exist in their bodies without the threat of danger at any moment. >> so when you write a book titled "the end of white politics" explain to us what that means. >> so what i mean by the end of white politics is basically i am flipping the entire identity politics debate on its head.

now, identity politics is a term that was coined by black feminists who articulate how black and brown communities, people of differing marginalized identities, could achieve political power. in this moment, under donald trump, it has become very clear that we also need to include the idea that he's been exploiting his brand of white identity politics, and that we have essentially centered whiteness and white voters in every single aspect of our political conversation. what i mean by the end of white politics is that instead of leaving off the words white and identity when we talk about politics, because it's essentially politics, i'm saying expand the conversation so that everyone can be included and then we can go forward with solutions that work. >> so when the president says he's law and order president, what do you hear? >> well, i hear echoes of george wallace. i hear echoes of those white nationalist figures of the past. and i also hear an explicit

appeal to those in his base who want a status quo to continue, where we only have white male leadership. when you see the trump administration posting photos of a table full of white men, and then we criticize that, you have to understand, katy, they want us to see that. they are reaffirming that we are back where we are supposed to be, which is with white men in charge of everything. and i think that with demographics shifting, by 2045, white voters will be a minority of the voting population, and that will have a transformational impact, allowing communities of color to finally run for office, vote people who look like them into office, so there's perspectives that can be included in policy plans, and also, we're able to push out those who don't adequately represent our interests. and frankly, cater to white working class voters who democrats do not need to win the

presidential election. >> you know -- >> a majority of them. >> one of the most telling moments of the entire 2015-2016 campaign came in 2015 actually when i was talking to a voter in alabama, an older woman who told me she likes donald trump because he was a 1950s style president. i'll let you take what you will from that. zerlina maxwell, thank you so much. the book is called "the end of white politics." go out and get it. we appreciate your time, my friend. >> still ahead, house majority leader steny hoyer joins me to discuss what's holding up congress from extending critical benefits to unemployed americans. americans forced out of work by the virus. >> next, also, a big push to get kids back in class this fall. but where is the plan on how exactly to do it and how to do it safely? when we started carvana, they told us

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here are the coronavirus facts as we know them this hour. a u.s. military base in japan is under lockdown due to a spike in new covid-19 cases. across the military, more than 4,000 service members have tested positive for the virus since july 1st. that is an increase of 33% in just the last ten days. >> tens of thousands of unemployed americans who have filed jobless claims have yet to receive a single payment, according to a new report from

"the washington post." the delays are likely the result of millions of unemployment claims that have overwhelmed state systems over the last four months. and a group of 80 millionaires signs an open letter urging governments around the world to impose a new tax on the super wealthy to fund the global recovery from covid-19. they write, no, we're not the ones caring for the sick in the intensive care waurndz. we're not driving ambulance that will bring the ill to hospitals, but we have money, lots of it, money that is desfrtly needed now and will continue to be needed in the years ahead as our world recovers from this crisis. >> and governor andrew cuomo says new york schools will reopen this fall if, and that's an if, the region makes it to phase four. and the daily infection rate remains at or below 5%. but if the regional infection rate rises to 9% any time after august, schools would be ordered to close again.

>> president trump and secretary of education betsy devos are putting immense pressure on school districts to fully reopen this fall, but offering no additional funding or guidance on how to do it safely. fairfax county schools found themselves under fire after secretary devos called them out by name during the latest coronavirus task force briefing. >> fairfax county, which is one of the most well funded, i would call it an elite public school system in america, offered families a so-called choice for this fall. either zero days in school for their students or two days. things like this cannot happen again in the fall. it would fail america's students and it would fail taxpayers who pay high taxes for their education. they must fully open, and they must be fully operational. and how that happens is best left to education and community

leaders. >> joining me now from fairfax county in virginia is nbc news reporter ali vitali. do they have a plan for how they're going to open safely? >> well, what secretary devos offered was criticism for fairfax county public schools, which are among the top ten in terms of size nationally, so one of the biggest in the country. but she didn't really offer many solutions for them. so parents here on the ground are still left with a lot of questions and confusion about what the best way to go forward is. here in fairfax county schools, parent have two options. they have to give their choice by wednesday for what they want their kids to do for the fall. they either have a choice of a hybrid option which is two days in school, back in classrooms physically and the other few days of the week, independent study or online learning. or the other option is, four days a week of virtual learning. it sort of hammers home the point that there really are no perfect options here. but that parents and students

both are just trying to do what's best for them. and i know that we have been talking to a lot of medical experts and local officials, all very important people to hear from, but i actually got a chance this morning to sit down with the people at the center of this, which is the students. i want to introduce you to sophia and to jimmy. both of them are rising seniors here at annandale high school, and they're both making two different choices about how they're going to spend their senior year. listen. >> first heard the news there were going to be two options, my instant reaction is i'm going to school. but then i started attending all these -- every single town hall that was presented to me, i started talking to teachers. i just realized that for my health, my wellbeing as well as my family's health and wellbeing, that i need to be staying home in the fall. >> so you're opting to be in class then. is there any concern you have about that decision? >> i have a lot of concerns because i feel like with both plans that fairfax county has put out, there's still a lot of

uncertainty in the air. >> a lot of uncertainty in the air, katy. and in talking to these students, the thing that was clear is that they were bracing for their senior year to be upended. they saw how the senior class that was graduating in may and june, how they were having their senior year upended. these students told me they were ready to see this look a little different than what they always thought it would, but it doesn't make them any less anxious, any lest frustrated or any less sad about the way they're going to be spending their last year of high school. katy. >> not ideal. ali vitali, thank you very much. >> let's bring in dr. bhadelia, the director of special pathogens unit at boston medical center, and an associate professor at the boston university school of medicine. thank you so much for being here. let's talk specifically about schools. other countries have been able to reopen, and they have done so with varying degrees of success.

what can we learn from overseas and apply it here in order to make sure that if we are reopening in mid-august or september, that we're not going to have a resulting spike in coronavirus cases in those districts? >> katy, thanks so much. as you said, the data from around the world is a bit muddled. some countries, specifically those that have been able to drive their community prevalence of this disease down, they have been able to open some parts of their school with altered engineering. social engineering, having teachers and a small number of students in a class becoming a social pod and that being the only exposure they have. by instituting things like masks and physical barriers, by closing down communal areas so people aren't mingling as much, by having protection for students. a huge part of it, even in this country, giving the differences in the community prevalence, opening schools is not going to look the same across the board. if you take lessons from the

health care industry and how we have opened and operated during this period of time in the pandemic, it's a labor intensive and resource intensive proposition. you have to put all of these different, you know, resources into place that allow separation of students, that allow disinfection, that allow ventilation. that employ personal protective equipment of some level. masks and face shields, and then tons of resources of thoughtfulness put into have how do you distance people when parents come to pick up students? how do you quickly detect students or teachers who are sick? most people, and when you look at the cdc guidelines, they say in-school, in-person instruction remains the highest risk. you might have seen the story about l.a. sort of moving towards virtual learning. again, a huge amount of resources and thoughtfulness needs to go into that. the underlying part of this is that schools require the resources and the time to get this right. we learn from reopening that if we don't do this right, it will

lead to spikes. and the truth is, right now, the $13 billion that the cares act has dedicated to k-12 is now getting fully disbursed, but there hasn't been time to plan, and heroes act was supposed to give another $100 billion. teachers unions and others say we need about a $175 billion infestment to do this right. they don't have those resources yet, and we don't want to get into a situation where a humanitarian crisis in our hospitals and outbreaks in our schools in the fall at the same time. >> doctor, thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate all of your expertise. >> coming up, americans who lost their jobs because of covid are going to lose some of their benefits in a couple weeks. is congress going to step in and extend that aid? house majority leader congressman steny hoyer is here next.

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it is the $3 trillion relief package that has already passed in the house. chief among the issues that it addresses is the soon to be expired unemployment aid that so many americans have come to depend on during this crisis. democrats want to see that aid extended beyond july 31st, but some republicans see the $600 weekly payments as a disincentive to getting americans back to work. joining us now is maryland democratic congressman and house majority leader steny hoyer. congressman, thank you very much for joining us today. i wonder, now that this virus is hitting red states harder and there's going to be some reclosures and some key industries in those states, do you think that means the senate is going to reconsider whether or not they support the heroes act, the republicans? >> i think the senate is under a lot of pressure. i think the republican senators are under a lot of pressure. talking to mcconnell about a

need for a robust response to what we see going on around the country, and particularly in those states along the southern border who got people back to work, which we all want to see, but we don't want to see that when we see the deaths spike and the hospitalizations spike and our system overwhelmed. so i think mitch mcconnell, whose original response was, let the states go bankrupt, was a response the american people thought was totally irresponsible and insensitive to the needs of the states and the localities to respond, continue to respond to this virus. so i think the answer to that question is, i think he's getting a lot of pressure from his own senators to either pass the heroes act or pass a bill and go to conference so that we can give relief to americans who need it now, not later, not 30 days from now, 45 days from now, but now. as you point out, unemployment

insurance expires. we have extended unemployment insurance to the end of the year. we also have made sure that the states and localities had money, that there was money for testing and treatment, tracing, and isolation. so that the failure of the senate to act, and i might say that the minority leader in the house as well as mitch mcconnell have said let's wait and see, well, we waited. we have seen, and people are dying. and people are getting sicker. and numbers out of proportion to the rest of the world. so that action now is absolutely essential if we act responsibly on behalf of the american people. >> some economists say they expect the unemployment numbers as they have been increasing in terms of gaining more jobs, not to the extent we have lost them, but gaining more jobs over the past few weeks, that they're expecting to see another

decrease, starting to lose more jobs fwen s again as the closu affect various parts of the country. because of that, do you -- broader looking, how much money are you expecting to have to throw at this crisis in order to keep regular americans afloat, in order to make sure that industry across the board in this country doesn't drown? >> i don't know the exact number, but a substantial number. and every economist i have talked to, katy, says that if you don't do that, the cost of inaction will be far greater than the cost of investing in making sure that we keep businesses at least viable so there's a job to go back to, to keep families and individuals from falling through the cracks, so that the investments we have made, every economist has said we're absolutely essential if we were not going to make this even

worse by our inaction. so i don't know the number, but it's going to be a very substantial number. we have $3.5 trillion. amazing amount of money in the heroes act, and i believe that money is absolutely essential if we're not going to fall into a much deeper hole that will be much more expensive and will take a much longer time to get out of. and therefore visit much pain on the american people. >> is it worth trying to bow more surgical about where this money goes right now? i say this, when you're talking about unemployment insurance and the deincentivizing people to go back to work, there are some people who do make more money off unemployment insurance than they do at their jobs. i have talked to employers and employees. employers who said they're having a hard time convincing their employees to come back, and employees who say i have no reason to go back when i have this unemployment insurance. that's a segment of people, not everybody. is there a way to be more surgical to target those who

don't have jobs to go back to, whose jobs are permanently gone because of this crisis, and incentivize those that can go back earlier? >> i think that makes sense, katy. however, the problem with that is it takes time to be surgical, to ferret out. it takes personnel, administrative costs do that. i think the judgment at the beginning was made, yes, some people will get money they probably shouldn't be getting. on the other hand, if we don't get it out the door fast, families are going to fall through the cracks. they're not going to be able to buy food, pay their rent, and that's another thing we have in the heroes bill, the ability to help renters and mortgage holders who need to pay their mortgages, which was good for lenders. it's good for people who own rental properties as well as those who live in them. but surgical sounds good. and i think there's a legitimate concern that people are making

more on unemployment with the $600 additional than they made in their employment and are reluctant to go back, but one of the things we also have to deal with is child care, because you now have parents who are put in a position of if i go back back work, well maybe i'm making a little bit more but if i make less and have added childcare expenses on top of that and it's tough to get child care -- why, because frankly people who care for children are reluctant to have children with people they don't know. so, it's a tough situation. surgical soubdz good until you understand how long a time it will take to target specifically and how much of an administrative cost will be added to the administration of that distribution of those dollars. yes, it makes sense. yes, i think employers are

having problems, an employee says i'm getting $40,000, $50,000 with unemployment and the 600 bucks and i can't afford to go back because i'll have to get child care, why, because my kids aren't in school. another challenge we have. so the senate ought to either pass our bill or pass their own bill and send it back to us and we'll have a conference and try to figure out quickly -- quickly the best road to take, but doing nothing is not an option accepted for the american people. nor ought to be. >> point well taken. house majority leader steny hoyer. thank you for joining us. >> katy, thank you very much. and lawyers in washington, d.c., are pleading to let families out of migrant

detention centers as coronavirus cases surge. the civil rights complaint filed against the department of ho homeland security argues that keeping inside the detention facilities will trigger another round of family separations. joining me no is msnbc jacob soboroff. so, jacob, you talked about separations in this book and now we could have another round of separations on the horizon? >> in fact, katy, i got off the flip phone, i have my ear piece in listening to you but not two minutes before i'm starting to join you here, a judge in washington, d.c., d.c. district court declined to make a ruling. so there are as many as 300

family members in detention today who are still at risk of family separation by the trump administration as we talk. lawyers and advocates will say they're at risk from dying of covid. i.c.e. could release them. but as we speak, right now, this is breaking news, those families are still at risk of family separation by the trump administrati administration. >> jacob, do we know how many families this is potentially going to affect? >> 335 if i'm not mistaken. that's the number i heard out of the government. you mentioned the book, that's why i wanted to write this book, the idea that family separations were happening two years ago is what i think a lot of people feel like, that was so long ago, president trump signed the executive order. family separations are still within the arsenal of the united

states government and they refuse to rule it out as a method for dealing with migrants in they are custody, families now are arguably worse than they have been before under covid that lawyers are pleading for their lives to let them out and the trump administrationened this judge as of right now hasn't granted them that. >> the jacob soboroff, thanks so much for being us with that breaking news. >> thanks, katy. more breaking news out of california where the state's two largest public school districts, los angeles and san diego just announced a joint decision that all instruction will be remote this fall. joining me now is erinn mclaughlin, what led to this decision? >> reporter: the general situation with respect to the pandemic in the state of

california. kat y things aren't looking good here. with a positivity rate of 10%. so the superintendents of these two school districts making the decision in a press conference earlier this hour, citing health and safety. the superintendent of the l.a. unified school districts saying, quote, health and safety within the school community is not something we can compromise. the school year was set to begin here in los angeles august 18th, he said he wanted to give parents plenty of time for this online learning that will now be taking places. . the l.a. unified school district is the second largest school district in the country. the students will be staying at home and studying online as the cases continue to skyrocket here in california. six out of the seven pandemic indicators are moving in the

wrong direction here. in the state right now. the mayor of l.a. is not ruling out another shutdown. katy? >> of course this comes as some of the universities in california made a similar decision. and that's going to do it for me in this breaking news hour. i'll see you back here at 5:00 p.m. eastern for "meet the press daily." wear a mask if you're going out. nicolle wallace and brian williams will pick up our coverage after a very short break. eak. perfect. -you're welcome. i love it. how'd you do all this? told ya! wayfair. let's talk dining tables. yes! blow it up. ♪ wayfair you've got just what i need ♪

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good day. brian williams here with you on this monday as we start a new week, 3:00 p.m. here in the east. 12:00 noon out west. the headlines and facts as we know them at this hour, the coronavirus has now killed over 136,000 in the united states, due to an uptick in states that are now being hit hardest by this pandemic. over 3.3 million americans have been sickened by it. a short time ago during a discussion with stanford university, dr. anthony fauci talked about why we are seeing this particular resurgence in cases. >> we did not shut down entirely and that's the reason why we went up, we started to come down and we plateaued at a level that was quite high, then as