this, a city that recorded zero deaths from coronavirus just calculations, running today. which is impeachment, he has to that's our effort for this be stopped. algorithms, you're thinking if that's the real meaning of this your kid is going to get sick, monday evening as we start a new week together. thank you so very much for being bring an illness back to the here with us. on behalf of all my colleagues at the networks of nbc news, phrase, accepting case of house and spread this virus, good night. impeachment. which authorities are having, at >> so how does the pretty get away with this, corey? least in this country, a difficult time getting it under >> it's an incredible thing. control. people have thought over time he the one caveat i have is on some could do anything, really commit of these numbers it's saying a crime in broad daylight. a new warning from health moderate risk. let's be clear what the officials. president saying he can do. so the broader question is how miami is quickly becoming the roger stone has come out and epicenter of the coronavirus do we feel about moderate risky said basically i'm being pandemic, but so far the mayor rewarded for protecting this of miami-dade county is refusing behavior in our lives. president, not saying anything to issue new closures. during the congressional so it shows a risk but moderate also despite a push by the risk is included in there. inquiry, this impeachment. new voltaren is powerful arthritis pain relief in a gel. >> we saw a couple days ago the president, several schools in a lot of folks ask me why their dishwasher doesn't get everything clean. the district in the country will that's my reward. i tell them, it may be your detergent... president wearing a mask for the people have lost the meaning of stay closed this fall. the constitution to the point first time publically, aside and the president's that's why more dishwasher brands where they think, well, that's recommend cascade platinum... from that site visit he made a defensive relationship with dr. allowed. we're trying to say to people, ...with the soaking, scrubbing and rinsing built right in. couple months ago where he wore anthony fauci despite the white no, that's not what the history it behind the scenes so house's efforts to discredit him. for sparkling-clean dishes, the first time. -- what the text is. reporters couldn't see it. and most of all what the cascade platinum. i know now that axios is structure and values of the reporting more republicans are document require, they require starting to wear masks as well when they leave the house. the president to be stopped. seems very long overdue.

good morning, everybody. we've got to realize that in >> follow the leader, right. it's tuesday, july 14th, and i'm this country and judges and >> what do you think sparked the yasmin vossoughian. citizens need to speak out we begin with florida. against this pardon, not just being wrong. florida had its second worst day everybody knows it's immoral, but that it's illegal. for new infections, adding well s'illingness to wear it's invalid. masks is getting up there, 50% over 12,000 cases. that's just a day after shattering the record for the it's unconstitutional. but still getting up there. highest number of single-day >> once again it sounds to me like you're saying this once the over all number around cases in any state. again is falling on one's own miami-dade county responsible for a quarter of the state's new interpretation of presidential two-thirds who wear it all the time when they leave their home, powers, which we well know the attorney general believes is all 63%. i don't know if that's accurate. cases and represents a total welcome back everybody when you look at the number of number of the infections -- basically all the joining me now with a look at people who say they're always presidential powers includes axios a.m., political reporter wearing a mask every time they everything and that he can leave their home, is it really statewide. health advisers describing it really doing anything as hans nichols, good morning to as, quote, extremely grave, the president of the united states you once again. mayor facing pressure to close as bill barr has said in one give us axios' one big thing k inflation going on here where more businesses despite having way, shape, or form. so what does that mean people are signaling they're way more infections and today. >> we have polling we do, this ultimately because there's so hospitalizations compared to much gray area when it seems coronavirus index, giving us march when he essentially asked always wearing their mask when stark and surprising numbers on they're not, but at least the like something like this should be black and white. the percent of americans who are desire to is going up. for all non-essential businesses >> it really is black and white, concerned about sending their our favorite part of this, 15% to close. the miami harold says the and the attorney general has kids back to school. of americans have said that they this is the big discussion in situation is like wuhan five or embarrassed himself before the have told someone else to put on nation and before history when the country right now. six months ago. he basically says that the take a look, 71% think there is a mask. 15% are out there saying wear a president has monarch cal large to moderate risk. mask. it gives you an indication how

this is of all parents sending their kids back to school. important this issue is to so 98% of icu beds in miami-dade, powers. we were trying to avoid absolute but among black americans that many americans. >> i am one of those people. they are occupied. in just the past two weeks, monarchal policy. number is almost 90%. i have told folks to put a mask and even the british on the hospitalizations rose 65%. king. 89%. on. and certainly americans who you still see the partisan hans nichols, thank you. icu admissions are up 66%. founded the country were trying i'll be reading axios a.m. in to get away from absolute and ventilators up 128%, the use monarchy and stress the idea of divide. democrats 80% see risk, 53% of just a little bit. a limited presidency. that does it for me i'm yasmin we don't have a king. of ventilators. we don't have a president for vossoughian. now, the ceu of memorial republicans see some moderate or "morning joe" starts right now. life the way this president sometimes suggests he wants to long-term risk to sending their the europeans have done it, be. we don't admire dictators. kids back to school. hospital in southwest florida the numbers are high, it's says this. we are busting at the seams in we have created a system, a people in asia have done it. telling us what we're hearing structure of the presidency that we did not shutdown entirely and informing a lot of the is limited by congress, that is that's why when we started to the eun vent. governor's plans, california i'm busting at the seams at the limited most importantly by the come up, we plateaued at a level only virtual school in san diego law, that refrain that no that was quite high, about person, including the president, and los angeles counties. hospital and in the icus. is above the law, and so we're going to see more of the plans filter out. she said the biggest challenge unfortunately somehow we've forgotten that. we know where the president is we've become so weakened by this on this, he's making clear, is testing. especially through his secretary president's continual crimes that we're failing to see that of education that schools need we are really burned out. he is in broad daylight really to be open. even among republicans there's a california is effectively back great deal of concern. under lockdown as coronavirus violating, going against the cases surge there as well. structure, the values of this yasmin. >> this cannot bode well for the constitution, and that means a yesterday governor gavin newsom presidency constrained by law, president this doesn't make ordered every county in the and this is a lawless sense to me when the president says he can who would funding state to close indoor restaur t presidency. from some of these school

restaurants, movie theaters, >> all right. bars, and wineries. districts if they don't go back it's a major pullback in the corey brettschneider. to school. and some of the school districts 2-month-old effort to recover are in areas trump needs to win from the damage caused by this way to come back with a great pandemic. re-election come november. according to the "san francisco bank. thank you. great to see you this morning. when you look at the polling chronicle," quote, health that you guys are showing with let's check back in with bill nbc meteorologist bill 90% of folks not feeling karins who's been tracking the officials have zeroed in on covid numbers for us. comfortable necessarily sending just astounding some of the their kids to school because bars, with their lack of physical distancing and customer numbers we've seen overnight, face coverings as a major they're worried they could be especially states like florida. >> yeah. the rate of spread is just super spreaders, they could get potential source of spreading incredible. it's amazing how quickly it's sick, so on, that's not good. coronavirus. ramped up. >> more than 50% of the they're also threatening to cles since yesterday, 65,000 new president's own party, they have son concerns about sending their kids back to school. gyms, houses of worship, offices this is all going to come down to risk tolerance and people's for noncritical work sectors, appetite for risk. shopping pauls, and barbershops it's one thing to talk about cases reported. this is just staggering. that as like a behavioral and hair salons unless they make if you look now all the way to economist or to think about this plans to serve outside. the left, that was the april in theoretical terms. it's a dif m doing risk peek. the average seven-day peak was 32,000. the houston mayor calls for a that looked like a cliff. look at it compared to now. two-week shutdown.

we want to help blunt covid it looks like a bump in the infection. if we cannot have a shutdown and at the least step back to road. the new seven-day average, state's phase 1, this will allow 62,000. that's how rapidly the numbers us to reset and reassess. are going up. in the recent days, harris yesterday the fatality was 465. county where houston is actually located, they recorded the most coronavirus cases and fatalities typically it's lower because of the weekend. right now our death rate sancis in the state. and according to axios, more people are hospitalized in the a day. people like myself are not hospitals in houston than any paying attention or paying other mayor city in that state. attention to climate change. and president trump blamed the it hasn't gone away because we have all these other issues obama administration and an going on in 2020. we're on pace for the second increase in testing when asked hottest day. how about this? by reporters yesterday about the florida is on track for its surge in cases across this country. hottest year ever recorded. >> all right. thank you, bill. >> figures, right? >> if you know, biden and obama still ahead -- right, stopped their testing. exactly. thank you. still ahead, impacts of the they just stopped it. you probably know that. i'm sure you don't want to virus-driven recession as the report it. u.s. budget deficit reaches a they stopped testing right in the middle. record high. they just went, no more testing. >> and millions of americans lose their health insurance

amidst this pandemic. it was a much lesser problem a first look at those stories than a problem we have. driving your business day coming up. e stories we test far more people, by far. driving your business day coming up we've created cases. ♪won't wait♪ ♪we're taking everything we wanted♪ i can tell you some countries, they test when somebody walks ♪we can do it ♪all strength, no sweat into a hospital sick or walks into maybe a doctor's office or usually a hospital. that's the test they do. whereas, we do. we have all of these cases, so, you know, it's a double-edged sword. >> by the way, not entirely clear what obama-era testing program the president was with spray mopping to lock away debris referring to there. and absorb wet messes, all in one disposable pad. the president was also asked if next month's gop convention in just vacuum, spray mop, and toss. jacksonville can be given the shark vacmop, a complete clean all in one pad. despite the spike in florida's coronavirus cases. here's his response to that. >> are you going to be able to hold a convention in jacksonville despite the spread? >> we're going to do something. we think we're doing very well. >> so several republican

lawmakers, they say they do not plan to attend this convention, but what if you could startdo better than that? including seven gop senators. like adapt. discover. deliver. lamar alexander, roy blount, in new ways. to new customers. susan collins, lisa murkowski, what if you could come back stronger? faster. better. at comcast business, we want to help you not just bounce back. pat roberts, chuck grassley. but bounce forward. and now, we're committed to helping you do just that that's a lot of congress members. with a powerful and reliable internet they plan to skip their party's and voice solution at a great price. convention. call or go online today. joining me now, political reporter for the "washington pos post", eugene scott. eugene, good morning to you. thanks for getting up this morning. lots to cover. get let's get to the gop senators who say they're skipping the national convention, an unprecedent break from the trump administration as we have seen them resistant do this before, but saying they assume a lot of folks aren't even going to be going. what reaction are you hearing? >> well, it's unsurprising to many people who followed some of

these senators, particularly people like susan collins and mitt romney who very often attempt to distance themselves from the president and the republican party as a whole, but i think the fact that you have so many lawmakers perhaps not really willing and/or wanting to be seen interacting with the president and the leadership of their own party, it's alarming. it suggests that perhaps on issues related to policy and vision and response to a pandemic and other issues that are occupying the headlines right now, they're on different pages, and it's very difficult to get voters to back a party and its leaders who seem to be so incompatible on the matters that voters are entertaining most. >> can we also talk about this commentary from the president blaming the obama administration and the former vice president joe biden who he's now

essentially running against in the november elections? do you know what he's talking about, stopping their testing? >> you know, it's not clear at welcome back the u.s. all. you know, the most charitable budget deficit reached a interpretation would be one-month record high in june, referring to maybe ebola or swine flu, but that's not soaring to $864 billion as obvious, and there's no data or evidence to support that. federal spending increased to what there is evidence to weather the pandemic, julianna tatelbaum is joining us life support is that trump's base from london on this. really appreciates attacks on talk us through this. obama even when they're not factual and make little sense. we have the ballooning deficit, what there's also data to unbelievable numbers there. support is the number of how is this going to affect the supporters who make up the trump economy? >> the bulk of the spending increase comes from washington base, it's small and actually smaller heading into the 2020 spending the payment protection election than it was in 2016. plan, at the same time employment benefits topped so while it may have been $116 billion so huge numbers effective for trump winning four here, this puts the u.s. on years ago, it's not now and track to register a magnifies perhaps all poor of a $3.7 trillion deficit in the fiscal year 2020. job he's done in responding to owing largely to this this issue. that's affecting many of tissues unprecedented effort to prop up the u.s. economy. if this happens, it would be the people would hope he would lead the country differently than

first time the u.s. has done obama, only to discover many this at these levels since world ways he has led it differently, war ii. a new study i want to highlight but in the wrong direction. for you has shown that >> yeah. we can't help but reiterate this 5.4 million adults in the united most recent surge is happening states lost their health in red states, and as we insurance from february to may after losing their jobs. referred to yesterday, some of the polling now, a lot of the importantly this is a huge number of americans have lost states are up for grabs possibly, which is so incredible their health insurance in the to see in a presidential southern states hit hardest by election that red states like texas and georgia could feasibly the coronavirus pandemic right go to a democratic candidate if, now. in georgia, north carolina, in fact, those polls stichlk oklahoma, south carolina, mississippi and texas were "washington post" eugene scott, without insurance in may. thank you. stay close. i'm going to talk to you in a finally in the corporate space, little bit. still ahead, everybody. boeing is back in the spotlight, federal judge wants answers krng they have landed a $1.2 billion roger stone's commutation. deal with the defense department also, the judge gives the president's niece the green for eight f-15ex fighter jets. light in promoting her tell-all book about the trump family. this comes at a difficult time those stories, and, of course, a for the aerospace industry and check of the weather with bill karins when we come back. weathl karins when we come back boeing in particular dealing

with the fallout from the 737 max jet. so this is a nice boost for the company. >> but not a good time for millions of americans, especially in southern states, to be losing their health insurance. not good at all. julianna tatelbaum live from london for us, appreciate it. up next a look at the axios one big thing. and amy mcgrath is going to be experience the joy of a bigger world our guest. also former national security advisor under president obama susan rice will join the in a highly-connected lexus vehicle at the golden opportunity sales event. conversation. lease the 2020 es 350 for $359 a month "morning joe" is moments away. he conversation "morning joe" is moments away. nl for 36 months. experience amazing available over-the-counter. new voltaren is powerful arthritis pain relief in a gel. at your lexus dealer. voltaren. the joy of movement. treating cancer isn't just what we do, it's all we do. and now, we're able to treat more patients because we're in-network with even more major insurance plans. so, if you've been turned down before, call us now.

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she made it very clear to one of my lawyers after a hearing she asked to see privately that if i would remember certain phone conversations i had with pr if i would come clean, if i would confess, that they might be willing to, you know, recommend leniency to the junk. perhaps i wouldn't lochlkng. i said absolutely not. there was no circumstance i would bear false witness against the president. was just not willing to lie. in the last two days when i said that, people said, ah, stone had the goods on trump and he traded his silence for a commutation. that's patently false. i never said that. i never implied that. what i said has been consistent.

i would not lie against my friend of 40 years so they could use it for impeachment. >> that was roger stone denying he ever had any incriminating information about the president with russian interference over the election of 2016. still a lot surrounding this commutation. a federal judge has asked for more information on the president commuting the sentence of his longtime friend roger stone. u.s. district judge amy berman asked for a copy of the order freeing roger stone and whether the commutation covers the two years of supervised release that was also part of the sentence. the justice department submitted the order to the court within hours and clarified the clemency covers the supervised release. stone was to begin serving a 40-month sentence today for his conviction on charges of lying to congress, witness tampering, and obstruction of justice in the bob mueller investigation.

all right. a new york judge has lifted a temporary restraining order on president's trump niece one day before her publication of her tell-all book. the bid by the president's attempt to block the publication did not pass legal muster. the judge noted the contents of the book had already reached millions by the tremendous attention it gained by the media. the ruling means mary trump is free to promote her book in public. it's scheduled to hit shelves today. joining me now. msnbc legal analyst danny cevallos. good morning. good to see you. we talked yesterday about the president's attempt to pardon and commute and what that means for roger stone and his appeal. was there any legal purpose? what is the reasoning behind, you think, the judge's request here though? >> she's got a very strong

administrative purpose, the judge, for asking for a copy of this order because the pardon power and the commutation power so broad that there can be a lot of uncertainty about what exactly is being pardoned or commuted. and so judge jackson needs to know exactly what to write in commuting the sentence because she has to execute that in the court andr. it's a reasonable request. she has to no exactly what is commuted. >> so i want to quick -- talk quickly here about mary trump's tell-all book. is there any legal card to play on behalf of the trump administration or president trump's team for her, against her, or is she free and clear to promote this book and give interviews publicly. >> procedurally there are options for the trump side because at this stage in the litigation, we're just dealing with restraining orders and injunctions. they haven't answered the

complaint, the defendant. theoretically the case could go forward and ask for litigation. actively speaking, the horse has left the barn. the information is already out there. the trump administration side may see there's nothing much let to litigate. >> much like the decision on the john bolton book. earlier this morning the u.s. supreme court overruled the district court judge who yesterday put a last-minute hold on an execution in almost two decades, so the supreme court vacated the stay of execution for daniel lee lose in a 5-4 opinion saying the defendant's eighth amend exceeded the single high bar and the drugs to use carries risks of pain.

they decided the need to settle constitutionality of the lethal injection procedure. talk us through this. the young said the eighth amend question was still open and the supreme court implying the same. how can the executions take place if it is still an open question here? >> because the supreme court has never ruled that a state's method of execution is unconstitutional. and these last-minute stays are designed to be very, very rare. so it's no surprise that the supreme court held that the burden was not met here. but, of course, it leaves open the eighth amendment question. in fact, someone could come along and prove that pentobarbital, this drug, does cause some kind of drowning sensation as this person is dying or it does pose an eighth amendment violation, but in this particular case, these plaintiffs did not meet that burden. they did not meet that bar, and

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turnout. president trump who is backing tuberville, not his former attorney general in the race, reminding people of his endorsement on saturday said, quote, tuberville is a winner who will never let you down while jeff sessions was a disaster who has let us all down and we don't want him back in washington. let's get a look at the forecast with my friend bill karins. good morning you do, bill. >> good morning, yasmin. weather headlines are the same as yesterday. we've got severe storms to track and epic heatwave continuing through the southern half of the country. it's going to expand to the east, especially this coming weekend. we call it a heat dome. this is where the air is sinking and allows the air to heat up quickly. it gets stagnant and produces poor air quality. you don't want to be under it. our friends in arizona, texas,

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give you the latest covid numbers. it's still just amazing where we are and where we've got on the in the last month. >> yeah. staggering. thank you, bill. still ahead, everybody, the president continues to push for schools to reopen this fall, but some of the biggest districts in the country, they're planning to stay closed. also the u.s. hit as record high in the coronavirus. we're back in a moment. n the co. we're back in a moment well, here's to first dates! you look amazing. and you look amazingly comfortable. when your v-neck looks more like a u-neck... that's when you know, it's half-washed. try downy fabric conditioner. unlike detergent alone,

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i'm yasmin vossoughian. despite the pressure from the president to reopen this fall, three of the nation's largest school districts will be starting the year with online-only classes. public schools in san diego, los angeles, they'll begin learning from hope. schools in nashville will start the year remotely at least through labor day. meanwhile at the white house yesterday, the president continued his push for schools to reopen. >> what do you tell parents where a teacher recently died teaching summer school, parents worrying about the safety of children? >> yeah. schools should be opened. schools should be opened. you're losing a lot of lives by keeping things closed. >> speaking at a virtual event hosted by dr. stanford university, dr. anthony fauci linked the rush to reopen in the spike of the new coronavirus cases. >> the europeans have done it. people in asia have done it.

we did not shut down entirely, and that's the reason why when we went up, we started to come down, and then we plateaued at a level that was really quite high, about 20,000 infections a day. then as we started to reopen, we're seeing the surges that we're seeing today. >> and i will remind you, this was the fear that dr. anthony fauci had expressed when states began to reopen after we saw that major wave in the spring. so the president flatly denied reports, though, that his administration is attempting to discredit dr. anthony fauci after allies provided nbc news and other news outlets with other information, some taken out of context. here's how the president respond yesterday followed by the white house press secretary's

explanation. >> i've had a good relationship with dr. fauci. i find him to be a very nice person. i like him personally. >> there's no opposition research being dumped to reporters. we were asked a very specific question by the "washington post," and that question was president trump noted that dr. fauci had made some mistakes, and we provided a direct answer to what was a direct question. dr. fauci and the president have always had a very good working relationship. >> meanwhile dr. fauci was at the white house yesterday for a prescheduled meeting with chief of staff mark meadows according to a white house official and a person close to the infectious disease expert. according to the expert it was a good meeting. both confirm fauci did not meet with the president. fauci said he has not briefed the president in at least two months and hasn't seen him in

person since early june. joining me once again political reporter for the "washington post," eugene scott. let's talk about, eugene, this relationship between dr. anthony fauci and the president. as you heard the president there, he likes dr. fauci. he has a good relationship with them. kayleigh mcenany going about explaining it in a very odd way, what took place, being asked a specific question from the "washington post" and answering it with all the times that dr. fauci in their estimation has made a mistake. what have you heard about their relationship? >> well, one of the things we've heard at "the post" that's most concerning is how little the president and dr. fauci interact, and it's been weeks, and the reason why it's been concerning is we know that the state of the coronavirus has changed in a matter of week. we're seeing changes almost daily, and the fact that the president is not being updated

and clued in to this is directly impacting how he responds to this crisis. there's some thought that perhaps if he actually knew how bad ihis team of experts that he has access to, perhaps he would not be encouraging clear sign that there will be any change in that because what dr. fauci is putting out in terms of information goes against the narrative that the trump administration wants to keep before voters, and so we don't see any common ground being able to be formed pretty soon. and as a result, we could see the situation get worse as we head toward the election. that so you heard dr. fauci there in the sound i played essentially saying one of the reasons we are in this major surge across the country right now yet again is because of the early reopening that happened across this country. now we have the question of schools. you've got america's biggest

school systems. they're now rejecting the president's demand to reopen schools while opting for some type of virtual education in the fall, and who knows what happens after that, especially if we do get a second wave. it's astounding obviously to take a look at some of the numbers in florida, for instance, if we talk about that. 12,000, 15,000 in 24 hours and thinking that possibly schools could be opened in the fall there. what do you make of what is happening across this country as we see certain school districts making this decision to remain closed? >> one thing we're seeing is school leaders express deep frustration with the administration as well as some of their state leaders that there's a push to open schools without really addressing how significant the effect will be on students and the educators will be. we know how the virus works. it's not going to be siloed to

students and their educators as schools reopen, but it's going to affect entire communities and the people they interact with. it's very frustrating to educators that i've spoken with that they continue to hear these directives and counsel from the white house, but no response to the question how are we going to make our schools safer for students who are already coming from very challenged environments, especially in these major cities that we've named that have large percentages of people of color, people from low income communities and people we know have been disproportionately harmed by this coronavirus pandemic. >> it's a tough situation for educators, for parents across the board because everybody wants to go back to school. of course, they do. but everybody wants to keep their kids safe and their loved ones safe. exactly. safety is the key. "washington post" eugene scott, thank you as always.

great to see you, my friend. coming up, the president's response over commuting the sentence of longtime friend roger stone. we'll show you his comments just ahead. also your first look at "morning joe." back in a moment. ok at "morning joe." back in a moment

he lied to congress. you have many, many people. you have people that changed documents going into the pfizer courts, and it's a terrible thing. and this is an investigation that they said should have ended before it started. it shouldn't have started, and if it did, it should have ended

immediately because they found, as you know as well as i do, they found nothing initially, but it went on for two years or longer, and i'm getting rave reviews for what i did for roger stone, and he, frankly, is going now to appeal his case. >> so that was president's response yesterday when asked about the criticism that he is facing after commuting roger stone's sentence, though, a lot of people not satisfied with that answer to say the least. joining me now a professor of political science at brown eun jerts and the booth "the oath and the office." brett schneider is here with his latest piece for the "atlantic." good morning to you. it's been a while. great to see you this morning. thank you so much for joining us. appreciate it. why do you think the president's use of power here was unconstitutional or unlawful when commuting roger stone's

sentence? >> the pardoned power is tra li traditionally unlumted. but there is. it's except in cases of impeachment. that to me means the president can't stop and undo an impeachment, but what we show very carefully is actually the original idea, the original understanding of that clause was actually to stop presidents from being involved with co-conspirat co-conspirators, and the framers were worried about a president who could take a co-conspirator, work with them, promise a pardon, and get away with breaking the law, and we're saying that not just some of the framers were worried about this, not just that the texts were

there to stop that, but that's the best understanding of the document as a whole, that we're a nation of laws and the president is behold on the the ,