and joe biden starting to try to fill that leadership vacuum that's now abundantly clear. we're helping members catch up by spreading any missed usaa insurance payments over the next twelve months >> right. so they can keep more cash in your pockets and, nicolle, you've hit the for when it matters most find out more at usaa.com nail on the head by focusing on the thing i'm always focused on. math. it's a math problem. the politics of this are not complicated. and you look around. red states, blue states, anywhere affected by this virus, which is basically everywhere in the country, they look at the numbers about what parents feel about sending their kids back to school. they look at the pervasive fear of this virus in the face of what they've seen over the past months. they look at donald trump's numbers. they look at donald trump's numbers versus anthony fauci's numbers. the governor of florida, texas, arizona, all the governors. they're very sensitive to numbers. and what has happened now is that donald trump is -- his numbers have finally reached that point where people who previously were afraid of him are no longer afraid of him. people who previously needed him

no longer think they need him. the weight of public opinion and the calculus have shifted so dramatically that you're starting to see what you're pointing out as occurring to date. it's been happening for some days, some weeks in a more faint way and you're exactly right. this is the moment joe biden that the campaign has been looking for. the moment they can step in and say, we have -- we can seize the last ground that we had not yet seized which is the ground specifically on the economy, the one thing that donald trump still was pulling ahead of joe biden on. they're now driving this message on the economy and the virus being one issue. and they are finding a receptive audience for it and not always just with democrats. >> you know, i want to ask you another question about politics because people that work on campaigns like myself think, you know, if we just nail the perfect ad or if we have the perfect line in the convention speech. but they're so structural. and one of the structural

dynamics you reminded me of is on this question of, do they see the world the way i see it, do they understand the problems of people like me? that mitt romney had an insurmountable deficit to barack obama in 2012 and on just about every other measure he was in a higher position. what appears to be happening and with the numbers -- i'm personally shocked by the poll numbers on schools. i have a little person i'd love to send back to school. but i can hold two thoughts in my head. it must be safe for him, for me, how do the teachers -- and 53% of republicans view the school question the same way. it seems that trump is now structurally hindered from understa understanding the problems with coronavirus as it pertains on our kids in schools. 53% of republicans, 82% of democrats and 70% of americans. he's dealing himself out of even being able to relate to the things weighing on a vast

majority oft. and we talk about this as an empathy thing. we talk about that should be -- bill clinton, i feel your pain. you know, the polling question that you talked about. cares about people like me, right? you know, and we talk about the empathy gap between donald trump and joe biden. but part of what's at the core of the empathy gap, and the absence of empathy that trump has, part of it is pathological narcissism but he can't listen. he can't hear. and so, you know, he's so tone now to breaking news out of deaf and so unable to hear what boston where the trump administration was pushing an the public is telling him. order to force colleges and most political professionals universities to hold in-person look at donald trump and say, hey, i know you don't like tony classes. their plan had been to revoke fauci, but let me show you some the visas given to foreign numbers and, put aside -- you students unless they're enrolled don't care about public health but just think about your own in in-person classes, harvard politics here. this is an insane fight to fight. the public is on this man's m.i.t. were among the first in side. they've been on this man's side the suit but a number of others overwhelmingly for months. joined in, moments ago, a your numbers have gone further federal judge in boston and further down into the

toilet. and you're about to pick a fight announced this resolution, our correspondent julia ainsley has with someone who you can never win. not only can't you win but by covered the trump fighting the fight, you'll lose administration's immigration more. policies extensively and she's he can't hear that. he can't read the numbers, hear the advice of strategists, and with us now with more on just he definitely can't hear what what happened. the american people are telling >> reporter: brian, we were him. and that's a kind the core of dialing in to hear whether or not the judge would issue a temporary restraining order that empathy is the ability to listen. trump cannot listen. said foreign students who are and that's what hinders him taking their classes exclusively structurally and at the human online can't live in the united states, but she didn't have to level as much as anything else. it makes him a terrible give that order, brian, because she announced at the very candidate. you have been in campaigns. beginning the partieses had come forget structure. to a resolution that the trump forget issues. forget all of it. when you have a bad candidate, administration has agreed to you lose. rescind that order, july 6th donald trump right now is a really bad candidate. order that got harvard, m.i.t. and 17 states and the district >> ashley parker, the story that of columbia not to mention your paper broke over the numerous other universities up weekend about the oppo dump on in arms saying this would damage fauci was, for me, one of those their ability to do business and to educate students both here and abroad if they instituted stories that are pillars of this, so the government has covering the coverage from

people like you and papers like backed down before a judge even yours of the trump presidency. had to get involved. and i was so fixated on it. i covered immigration a lot, i've been looking at all of usually it takes the court to fauci's predictions because they get involved for the trump rubbed me the wrong way because administration to back down, but they were so scary, but they here i think there was so much turned out to be right. let me play for you some of his pushback they came to this predictions early on and just about all of them turned out to resolution very early on. >> julia, to use plain be right. conversational english, was the >> some areas, cities, states, trump administration's argument what have you, jump over those since rescinded, look, you can various checkpoints and take online courses anywhere, prematurely open up without having the capability of being we'd rather have you here in the able to respond effectively and interim? >> that was the argue m, they efficiently, my concern is that we will start to see little also wanted to use this to try spikes that might turn into to push these schools to reopen, outbreaks. to say if it hurts badly enough >> if you look at what's going on and just look at some of the film clips that you've seen of that these students wouldn't be living in the united states, people congregating, often without masks, of being in then you should reopen your crowds and jumping over and classes, you should hold in-person classes. avoiding and not paying that's major priority of the attention to the guidelines that trump administration the open we very carefully put out, we're schools, k through 12, going to continue to be in a lot

university and above in order to of trouble. and there's going to be a lot of restart the economy this fall. hurt if that does not stop. the pushback was more than they >> the current state is really even had predicted. not good in the sense that, as these schools would lose you know, we had been in a significant amount of revenue, not only the schools, but with situation where we were averaging about 20,000 new cases 17 states added on to this, you started to look at how these a day. two days ago, it was at 57,500. economies suffered. if these students weren't so within a period of a week and allowed in these small towns, a half, we have almost doubled the number of cases. where they depend entirely on so in answer to your first students living there, the students themselves made the question, we are still knee deep case it's very difficult not to be in the united states. if they go back to countries like china for example where watched all of that, it's they're not able to use search engines like we are here, and abundantly clear why donald trump can't exist with tony fauci. the truth is something that dialling into classes, that trump can't face yet in month could be -- whether the colleges five of the pandemic. >> and fauci has been right on a ton of issues. we don't want him to be right because often his predictions backing down, okay, we'll open are so grim. but he has been right in the up, foreign students come and take these classes in-person and macro. he has been wrong here and there live in our communities, instead the trump administration backed on the micro because, as he and

down. other health officials said at but as we know there have been the time, this was a virus where just policy after policy during this virus that limits not only we really didn't know what we didn't know and we were learning more every single day. what you thought on a monday might be different on a illegal, legal immigration like wednesday. and then that next week, and these students. i don't think it'see from this it's worth noting, first of all, to step back and discuss how striking it is for an administration on immigration. but on this piece in particular, administration to offer an oppo they've backed down for now. dump on a member of their own >> an important note of caution team. that is typically what the trump from our colleague julia ainsley. people would do on joe biden, on a nemesis. brian, we start with on someone who they are trying to defeat. not on someone who is trying to florida, we end 17 states help them keep the american public safe. and a final irony is that a lot banding together to try to of these small things, the protect themselves from what is anthony fauci and others got really to me one of the most wrong potentially were the very cynical pressure campaigns since the pandemic began, this same things the president and the vice president were getting wrong at the time because the forcing, this pressure for virus was so fast moving. universities and schools to go i remember sitting there in that white house briefing room when back ahead of or in defiance of it seemed not a dangerous the science, it's -- it's a good decision to go to the white house briefing room, asking vice step that the court sided -- president pence, would you take

your family to disney world? forced the trump administration would you get on a plane and fly to back down on that one. >> yeah, what's happened in the there to the magic kingdom? interim is, betsy devos ran he said absolutely. and he'd urge all americans to do similarly. so that has changed. headlong into your friend dana this administration was just as bash over at cnn and had that culpable for many of the things they accused fauci of. and to see them throwing a unsightly television interview over the weekend that just all public health expert under the bus in the middle of a pandemic it was missing was concern for is just something that we have students and teache are on this not seen before. can this be forced completely >> ashley brought us to my next absent health concerns for a point. vice president pence wrote an classroom full of 6-year-olds and their teacher. op-ed. and philip bump fact-checks it. does the vice president's office so i'll leave that to you having come out and make those corrections you're talking about, or do they only expect never touched academia in my that of tony fauci or else the life. i'll become a viewer now. oppo dump? thank you very much for having >> well, the vice president has me. >> thank you, my friend. we'll be watching you at 11:00. receded a little bit behind the when we come back -- joe scenes, in part because the task biden is pressing his case against donald trump in states force has receded. trump won four years ago. he's head of the task force. but now, it looks like they're the charitable explanation is that they're bringing this back in play for november and the to the agencies, the public

group republican voters against health agencies where it trump is out with a very belongs, but there have been some alarming stories about the ways that the white house and powerful new ad that tries to the administration has tried to turn one of trump's perceived hinder the work of cdc scientists and experts. strengths into a weakness. of hhs. we'll be right back. and so i guess to answer your ♪won't wait♪ original question, no, we've heard no corrections. ♪we're taking everything we wanted♪ i guess technically, the headline of that op-ed, the vice ♪we can do it ♪all strength, no sweat president wrote, that there is no, you know, there will be no second wave. that's technically correct but can it help keep us asleep? smart bed is on sale now. only because of a devastating absolutely, it senses your movements and semantics which is that we're so automatically adjusts to keep you both comfortable deep into this first wave. and so far from clawing our way save up to $900 on select sleep number 360 smart beds. out of this first wave that you plus, 0% interest for 24 months on all smart beds. only for a limited time. can't even get to a second wave when you're still in the trenches of a first wave. >> dr. wen, there's breaking health news. i want to read from what "the new york times" has just posted. the administration orders hospitals to bypass the cdc with key virus data. alarming health experts. trump administration has ordered

hospitals to bypass the centers for disease control and prevention and beginning on wednesday, that's tomorrow, send all coronavirus patient information to a central database in washington. a move that has alarmed public health experts who fear the data will be distorted for political gain. how scary is that to you? it's pretty scary to me. >> it's also inexplicable. what's the rationale for bypassing one of the preeminent institutions in the world? the cdc is admired around the world. in fact, other countries have named their own equivalent of a cdc. literally, the chinese cdc, for example, is named after ours because we are the ones -- because our scientists and public health officials are the best in the world. the cdc is to analyze the data coming from different regions in the country and look for trends

identify these trends, inform the public about them and synthesize guidelines and inform the public about what to do next. that's what the cdc is supposed to do. i don't understand where this data is going instead. i'm deeply concerned about what we've seen with the attacks on science and public health in recent days because public health hinges on public trust. and when politicians, including the top public official, the elected official of the country, president trump, start attacking public health, it undermines the ability of all of local, state and federal response to this pandemic. >> you know, dr. wen, i've been thinking a lot about how we covered other countries dealing with the earliest phases of the pandemic when we question their numbers. when we question the information coming out of iran and we covered satellite images of mass graves, when we first covered the chinese government and wondered whether scientists were able to get the truth out.

i think we had some questions about what was really going on in russia. the world over must be looking at america if you read ashley's paper and her colleagues' great reporting, fact-checking pence's op-ed. he was the most senior white house official on the coronavirus task force. he never corrected what were incorrect assessments in a published op-ed. and this oppo dump designed to discredit the top scientist, take that with breaking news the cdc is now going to be cut out. an agency so severed that other countries name their disease fighters after the cdc is now going to be cut out of reporting coronavirus deaths and infect n ♪ infections. what do we look like to the world? >> we look like we're on an (announcer) reliability is everything. so, if your network's down, you're down. island that's not listening to verizon knows your customers need to reach you seamlessly. science. that doesn't have regard for your team needs to work from different places each other and others around us. across many devices. plus, you want the security we are seeing this. trusted by some of the largest companies in the world. we know that our country has

and that's why you trust us. fallen behind all the others the most reliable network in america. when it comes to our response. every other developed country, high-income country, has had a response in a way that we have not been able to. they've been able to suppress their level of infection. they've been able to use the tools. the same tools we have at our it's gotten bad enough that disposal in order to prevent even donald trump finally infections and save lives. their economy is back. decided to wear a mask in they're able to send their kids public. i'm glad he made the shift. to school. they're back to somewhat of life as normal in a way that we mr. president it's not enough. cannot return to. mr. president, please listen to i think the rest of the world is your public health experts. laughing at us knowing that we have the tools, too. but we just decided to ignore instead of denigrating them. do your job, mr. president. the science, ignore public health, ignore evidence-based because if we can't deal with a guidelines, do our own thing and at what cost? public health crisis we can't at the cost of americans' lives. deal with the economic crisis. >> that was former vice >> dr. leana wen and ashley president joe biden campaigning parker, two of my favorite humans to talk to about all today in delaware, pushing his these things. thank you both so much for economic recovery plan to help starting us off. when we come back, frustration those working-class families is bubbling over in the hard-hit hard hit by the pandemic. and as democrats are urging the epicenter that is the state of former vice president to compete florida. in traditionally red states, a residents want to know what the governor is going to do.

new ad from the super pac can he keep them and donald trump happy at the same time? republican voters against trump is hoping to chip away at the and trump just this hour on, you president's support among guessed it, the confederate flag christian conservatives. take a look. saying he has no problem with >> the moment that he held up seeing them at political events. that bible, he revealed this we'll bring you that new sound from him. plus, donald trump has spent president is using us, much of his presidency consumed with humiliating jeff sessions christians have to resist being used to justify things that all because, well, because of russia, again. jesus would never just my. well, today we'll see if it's >> very fine people. >> love is patient. broken through to voters in alabama when they go to the love is kind. >> i am the chosen one. polls in that republican primary in that state. all those stories coming up. >> rejoices with the truth. - [narrator] the shark vacmop combines powerful suction >> what's going on now is wrong. as a republican and a christian, we simply can't allow this man to be re-elected. >> joining our conversation one of the creators of that ad, tim miller, he al miller. also joining us democratic strategist joel payne, the director of paid media for hillary clinton's 2016 campaign.

tim miller, i want to start with that ad. obviously, donald trump can't have any of his voters from that 2016 coalition even step away to go to the bathroom, he needs them to show up on election day and vote. because voters voted for him celebrity,ing him talk about a clip that's also featured in the ad that we just aired. what do you think is different for christian voters this time with spray mopping to lock away debris around? >> well, look, nicolle a couple and absorb wet messes, all in one disposable pad. of things are different. republican against voters, we just vacuum, spray mop, and toss. have over 400 videos from the shark vacmop, a complete clean all in one pad. republicans and former republicans telling us why they're voting against him this day and we clipped that ad from those videos. what we're hearing from people, he's the president this time and we have seen his actions that moment in lafayette square

really congealed for a lot of these voters who had doubts about him the last time but thought maybe he was a vessel and maybe they had awareness that he's not a vessel. secondly the opponent is different. we have this viral video from a guy in massachusetts, talking about hillary clinton. maybe it was unfair. some of it was her felt, some of it was sex yichl. but it's a different time. they're more open to hearing these messages if they come from people like them. >> you know, joel, donald trump seemed to understand at that sort of cellular that joe biden represented a threat to him. he got impeached trying to take joe biden out of the race, trying to get him out of the race, there were a dozen

democrats running in the democratic primary, what is it about joe biden that represents such a threat to donald trump? >> well, nicolle, what's interesting about that to me is that i do think trump wanted to damage biden but i also think he could run the same campaign against joe biden as he did against hillary clinton. what the president is finding out is, this is not 2016. this is very different world. we're in the middist of pandemic. racial unrest in the country. that he's ill suited to lead. republicans up and down the ballot are going to start to realize, this isn't 2016. it's 2020. >> joel, how do democrats keep we came to jackson in, i from internalizing reports and

descriptions like the ones we saw over the weekend about a think, early march when this blue tsunami, how do democrats pandemic was really starting to pick up steam. at that point, i don't even know keep it real and put one foot in another knowing that trump will if miami-dade had a case, a do everything and anything to positive test. maybe a couple, but it was hang on to power? >> no, nicolle, we're all obviously much different than what we're finding here. political pros and we all run >> -- record-breaking cases scared around this time of year every day, and you are doing and i think there are a lot of democrats who are in my position nothing. you are falsifying information who will do the same thing and and misleading the public. over 4,000 people have died, and aren't going to believe the polls. you are blaming the protesters. i think the biden campaign has you guys have no plans. been great. and you are doing nothing. joe biden has been tweeted, shame on you. don't look at the pools, >> that was a protester organize. this is not the time to count yesterday slamming florida's your chickens, now's the time to governor ron desantis. bear down even further. he was the guy at the podium. what we know is, the biden he's facing an explosion of new campaign is actually -- has virus cases after downplaying launched this big ad campaign in the risk for months and reopening his state ahead of texas. they're trying to expand the meeting the cdc guidelines. battlefield. it was in late april, after a they're trying to go outside of very short statewide lockdown the blue states. when we saw floridians flocking back to the beaches in pictures hired in georgia, that ad in

like these. but now the state is seeing the texas, the biden campaign has a consequences of returning to vested interest in expanding the normal life too early. battle field. >> tim, what is the impetus for today, florida set a single day record for coronavirus deaths with 132 lives lost. all of the fire burning that climbing death toll coming off the heels of florida's underneath former republicans to record-breaking number of daily cases on saturday. make sure that donald trump more than 15,000 new infections. doesn't serve a second term? it was just two months ago when governor desantis loudly boasted >> man, i think that -- my his state wasn't new york. it was not italy. so now there's this comparison to the virus' origin from an friend john weaver used this infectious disease expert at the university of miami health word in a recent article, system no less. quote, miami is now the atonement. we have a special responsibility epicenter of the pandemic. what we were seeing in wuhan six to take this guy down, he's a months ago. monster of our creating now we are seeing there. joining us, former florida somewhat, even some of us worked congressman and msnbc political contributor david jolly. against him in 2016. and so, you know, family feuds heilemann is also still here. david jolly, you love the state. always get a little bit nastier, it's heartbreaking to see what's you know how to take your happening there in large part because of the hubris of siblings down a peg better than governor desantis.

>> yeah, that's the word. strangers do, we're doing our it's heartbreaking. best to do that and we're really it's angering and heartbreaking. try to go into these red states, it's saddening. look, our political leaders got that ad that you saw those are t the initial decisions wrong. states we went into and where governor desantis got the we're spending our money right initial decisions wrong. today's numbers prove that out. now because we think there are a lot of republicans like us in the president got the initial those states. decisions wrong. and as voters, we get to make when they hear from people like our political judgments of that. us, they get the strength to but the real danger in getting come out and say, me, too. those decisions wrong and i've had enough of this guy, cavalierly getting those too. even though i've identified as a decisions wrong is they republican my whole life. unleashed risky, dangerous we've just had enough. he's just demonstrated he's not behavior of a citizenry that up for the job. then was validated by their >> tim miller, i really, really, political leaders. go back to the beach. really appreciate your honesty go back thoue bars. in responding to that question. go back to get your haircut. i've asked it of a few others, it's no big deal. everything is going to be fine. and that's the most honest and the contrast in leadership response i've heard. and i feel you. that we could see right now is i feel all that myself. leaders issuing statewide mask tim miller, joel payne, thank wearing mandates. you so much to both of you for revisiting whether or not schools can actually come spending some time with us. when we come back, troubling new reporting about the federal together. to steal a line from andy slavit stockpile as cases of coronavirus surge. in a conversation earlier today, the stockpile that holds ppe and if the american people each wore

supplies to protect health care masks for the next four or five workers is running dangerously low. that's next. weeks, we could virtually (vo) jack was one of six million pets in animal shelters eliminate the virus. florida is the opposite behavior of that. and it's because our leaders have validated it. i'd also say, rather than take the approach of trump and desantis that we just open schools and put these demands on schools. what about leadership that invests in distance learning and teleworking. spend money on tax credits for businesses to say every employee is going to be provided an infrastructure for telework. we can transform the economy of the united states through in need of a home. different leadership. he found it in a boy with special needs, not this bull-headed short-minded leadership that who also needed him. unleashes a rebellious public in as part of our love promise, subaru and our retailers host contrast to their own public adoption events and have donated 28 million dollars health interests. to support local animal shelters. >> john heilemann, i have tried we're proud to have helped over 230,000 pets so far... to tie a string from rushed changing the lives of dogs like jack, and the families reopenings, surging infections and a democratic leader, and i who adopt them. subaru. more than a car company. can't find one. so tell me what this is. was this a desire to please? was this a shared sort of

ideology of not believing in science? what do you think it was that made the governors of florida and texas and arizona sacrifice the health of their citizens to rush to reopen? >> i think it was a combination of things. it started, i think, with just the pure chance of geography that everyone vividly recalls when this all started, it really was a blue state phenomenon. a new york city phenomenon above and beyond any place you saw. you saw outbreaks in new york and california. a lot of these states were largely unaffected in the early weeks and months and i think they became seduced, deluded with the fact they might somehow evade the logic of the virus. that's one thing. i think the second, obviously, is feelty to trump and when it looks like new york had taken -- had gotten over the peak that

governor cuomo talked about, you have the president say, we've got to open up. let's open up. you then had a bunch of slavishly loyal governors to republican trump who did what he told them to do. and there's no doubt the third thing, and i'm just feeding your own lines back to you, but there's, of course, as there is in trump and as there has become pervasively in the republican party, a skepticism about imp impericism, a skepticism about science. and the loyalty to trump, the delusion that all of that bred in combination with a party that has come to be so antithetical to the scientific method, i think created something that we all looked at and said this is a ticking time bomb here and now it's exploding in a way that's incredibly damaging, not just obviously for the citizens of those states. but i think for the long-term prospects of republicanism in a lot of the southwest and the sunbelt where the party has been

so strong for so long and david knows exactly how that's happened. it looks to me increasingly like they have a long-term potentially decades-long, generational problem that this is going to leave a deep, deep, deep scar in republican support across a lot of these states in the southwest. >> david jolly, to john's point, congressman deutsche was talking about this lack of leadership on a state and local level, that it's maybe starts with loyalty to trump and denial of the science and data. but it comes down to individual some breaking news from my decisions being made in colleagues here at nbc news realtime. about the federal government's kerry sanders also reported today that a mask-wearing national stockpile of personal protective equipment for health mandate had failed in a city and workers on the front line. nbc has learned the federal county in florida. so how do you right the ship? stockpile has run thin amid this how do you turn the policy surge in coronavirus cases and making at a local level, just to hospitals and nursing homes may do nothing else but to start not be able to rely on washington to supply personal saving people's lives? >> yeah, nicolle, i'm going to protective equipment for medical professionals. nbc's john allen joins us with take some license and just be more on this. very blunt.

take me through your reporting. i agree with john's assessment. i just read it with my jaw on we're often generous sometimes the floor. in how we analyze and provide how are we here again? >> you know, nicolle, the analysis. let's call it what it is. government has been trying to it's stupid. >> no one accuses me of that. bolster the supply chains, but >> look, the decisions have been one of the things they've tried stupid. we have stupid people leading us to do is respect the private through a pandemic. sector. they have not used the defense we can say it's because they have a conflict of interest or production act to really take over supply chains. they're worried about the economy or they want to get they haven't amped it up as much as they could. re-elected or they're ignoring you've heard a lot of criticism science. they're fundamentally stupid about -- they tried to respect people and they're leading us that private sector. down the wrong road. and the calling of leadership in what we see now is amid this this moment is to convince the coronavirus surge, these american people that it's in our interest to shut this entire stockpiles are bare of some thing down to come up with essential elements. there are 900,000 gloves between alternatives to education and to the workplace environment, lead fema and the national stockpile. us through the public health there are 4.5 billion gloves on pandemic, gettous the other side stronger than we've ever been with our public health and our order. the admiral told me today in an economy. they have made the wrong interview, there are thousands decisions. of goggles in the stockpile. and at times you've got to -- we, i, have to stop parsing the only about 29% of the goggles in decisions they've made and say states and localities have they made stupid decisions, and we need to call them out for it. actually been provided. body bags have been a problem. >> i think you make an important

point, and a blunt point. basically, the big thing the i appreciate both. government has been able to the important point being we have to dispense with some of the niceties to move the conversation to what the future procure of the k95 masks. looks like because literally our my colleagues and i when we did lives would appear to depend on some reporting on this story it. david jolly, thank you. basically found that a lot of john heilemann, i did not miss the states and localities have the cam rlittle cameo there. figured out their own supply which dog is this? chains because they can't rely >> come here. on the federal government. come say hello. >> jonathan allen, you just said come here. come over here and say hello. the word body bags. come on. we have not had enough time to get that. talk about your important >> i needed that. >> he always wants to be on with reporting. can you come back tomorrow, and you. >> here comes the other one. we'll pair you with a doctor and here comes the other way. come here, fifey. talk about what this means inside hospitals where they're here's fifey. trying to save lives with an >> double canine cameo. >> look at this. there are two of them. administration that as you this is my life right here. report has been reluctant to turn to the defense production this is my life. look at these two beasts. act. it's a really important piece of reporting. thank you for sharing it with they both miss you desperately. us. to be continued, my friend. coming up for us -- donald >> well, let's get them a show. trump is quickly losing >> where's nicolle? influence in the fight against

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today, reclosures are taking do you still believe that? place against trump's urging. >> all i say is freedom of in california, likely coming speech. my attitude is freedom of soon and several other states speech. that have begun to reopen. very strong views on the confederate flag. and thousands of students in with me it's freedom of speech. like it, don't like it, it's this country now almost certain freedom of speech. to participate in online school >> would you be comfortable with our supporters displaying the only come the fall. confederate battle flag at policymakers and the public political events? >> i'm comfortable with freedom increasingly shutting out trump of speech. it's very simple. and listening to the guidance >> you understand why the flag offered by dr. tony fauci and is a painful symbol for many people because it's a reminder of slavery. >> well, people love it. other top assistscientists. i know people that like the confederate flag and they aren't this afternoon, a blistering thinking about slavery. indictment of trump from joe i look at nascar. biden on the very topic of his you go to nascar. you had those flags all over the failures on coronavirus and his place. they stopped it. i just think it's freedom of abdication of leadership through speech, whether it's confederate converging public health and flags or black lives matter or economic crises. anything else you want to talk >> we won't be able to turn the about. it's freedom of speech. corner and get american people >> donald trump today continuing back to work safely without his campaign to restore the presidential leadership. glory of the confederacy, defending the flag and statues mr. president, open everything in an interview with cbs news. now isn't a strategy for he also spoke about the protests

success. it's barely a slogan. surrounding police reform and took issue with the question of why black americans are still quit pushing the false choice dying at the hands of law between protecting our health enforcement in this country. >> why are african-americans and protecting our economy. still dying at the hands of law all it does is endanger our enforcement in this country? recovery on both fronts. >> so are white people. so are white people. mr. president, please listen to what a terrible question to ask. your public health experts so are white people. more white people, by the way. instead of denigrating them. >> joining us now, because i do your job, mr. president, have no idea where to start, because if we can't deal with former democratic congresswoman the public health crisis, we donna edwards and former chief can't deal with the economic spokesman for the justice department, matt miller. crisis. donna? >> the warning from donald >> wow, the president is always trump's opponent comes as a creating these false growing number of officials in equivalencies when it comes to places like california, texas, race and even the confederate even florida begin to flag. look, a majority of the american recalibrate their openings, people believe that the rejecting trump's public pressure campaigns to continue confederacy was a treacherous, opening their economies, regardless of the alarming treasonous regime and they spikes in infections we're agreed with states taking them seeing. and the president's waning down, including the state most influence comes as the highest stakes debate yet nears. recently of mississippi. the president continues to the debate over how to open display that he is completely out of touch with where the

schools safely. here's trump's mandate on that american people are. and a majority of americans last night. >> what do you tell parents who agree with the ideas of the look at this, who look at black lives matter movement arizona where a schoolteacher recently died teaching summer school. calling attention to the brutal parents who are worried about the safety of their children in and often murderous treatment of public schools. >> yeah, schools should be police on black people. opened. and so, you know, the president schools should be opened. kids want to go to school. you're losing a lot of lives by can sit in his glory days keeping things closed. defending violence against black >> in realtime, leader after people at the hands of police leader doing the opposite of officers, or he can wear a lapel what trump is saying in forums pen with the confederacy or a like that. los angeles, san diego and now atlanta announcing their schools t-shirt with the confederate will be online only in the fall. flag on it. but it's out of step with where days after the country's largest the american people are. school systems, new york city he's just wrong. and, frankly, he demonstrates schools, announce they won't fully reopen either. yet again that he is willing to the defiance of the president's will on reopening schools may dig down into the mud and come as little surprise when you displaying racist comments rather than uniting the american consider the most recent polls about what parents want. people. it's just time for him to go. 71% of parents with children >> you know, matt, donna is under 18 consider a return to calmer than i feel. school in fall risky. i mean, it's disgusting that he that's according to a new poll

makes up -- i don't think he from axios and ipsos. knows what the first amendment that includes a majority of is, but for someone to wrap republicans and 83% of himself in the first amendment democrats. the rejection of donald trump's after practically bulldozing corona related demands. peaceful protesters out of lafayette square is just bold, dr. leana wen, a former you know what. >> yeah, look, he has always had baltimore health commissioner is a few of all constitutional here, plus white house reporter rights, just as he has a view of for "the washington post," ashley parker and msnbc national law enforcement. there ought to be one set of affairs analyst and executive rules that apply to him and editor for the recount, john another set that applies to heilemann is here. everyone else, especially when it comes to his political john, i want to start with you. opponents. when i look at those comments, i every news cycle doesn't contain think a few things. this contrast we started with look, it does stand corrected today of donald trump's conduct, that the president is just his utterances, and fewer and wrong. african-americans are 2 1/2 fewer people,m. times more likely to be killed in encounters with law enforcement than white americans are. that's just a fact and the president doesn't want to admit that. number two, as a political matter, we -- i think we continue to see the president in his remarks defending the confederate flag and his remarks defending confederate statues and continuing to cast doubt on the black lives matter movement

and the need to reform police, he seems to be making this political assumption for his re-election campaign that a majority of white americans are just as racist as he is and if he continues to make racist comments like this and appeal to racists and racism, that he'll be able to cobble together enough white votes to win, maybe not a majority of the electorate but a plurality and that's enough. the problem with that political strategy other than just the base immorality is that polls continue to show that the country has changed. not just since the '50ss and '60s but since 2016. there's been something of an awakening on race. and the american people, for very good reason, just don't agree with him on this. and thankfully so. >> donna edwards, pick up on that thread. donald trump has dealt himself out of the conversation about the largest health crisis this country has faced in multiple generations. he's dealt himself out of a lot of national security conversations by remaining

silent about bounties placed on the heads of active duty american soldiers and he's dealt himself out of a conversation that 67% of americans in one poll, 74% of americans in another poll, see one way. they see the aims of black lives matter as you said as just and they see racial injustice in this country as a problem. >> well, look, i think the president has, you know, i agree with matt that he made a complete miscalculation about where the american people are. but the other thing that he's done, for somebody who claims to understand and get, you know, where people are and to be able to tap into that -- the pulse of the american people. he just gets it wrong every single time, and i think right now, he is, you know, throwing whatever against the wall. and most of it is muck against the wall in order to win a re-election. he claims that his poll numbers are going up and as matt said, and the evidence of that is not

true at all. and he sees an opponent in joe biden who is a complete contrast to him where it comes to character, where it comes to ideas, where it comes to looking toward the future. and he's trying to run a campaign in 2016, as i've said, a campaign in 2020 that's more reminiscent of a campaign of 1920, and he's missing the mark every single time. >> we are not quite done talking to donna and matt yet. but we have to sneak in a quick break. after that, a crescendo this afternoon in donald trump's now years-long war with jeff sessions. the former attorney general fighting a trump-backed republican in alabama's primary today. all of it, though, serving as proof that, for trump, it always comes down to russia. hot! hot!

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jeff sessions was a disaster. i made him -- i didn't want to make him attorney general, but he was the first senator to endorse me. so i felt a little bit of an obligation. jeff was just very weak and very sad. >> jeff sessions was a disaster as attorney general. should have never been attorney general. he was not qualified. he's not mentally qualified to be attorney general. >> we don't usually do this, show you clips from fox news and tell you about a republican primary in alabama, but there's a reason because there's more evidence that when it comes to donald trump, a candidate's

support for donald trump's political or policy agenda, if you can even call it that, is of secondary importance. for donald trump, most important thing always is that people serve as his personal protectors. his roy cohn if you will. and he's always been afraid of decisions like the one from the supreme court last week that somehow, some sort of criminal investigation into him and if crimes are indeed committed, criminal prosecution of him would be allowed. so trump's war on jeff sessions has bubbled mostly under the surface unless you're a republican primary voter or you live in alabama. but today, trump's former attorney general and really the first establishment republican ally he ever had is running in the gop primary contest against a trump-backed opponent. the other guy is the trump-backed opponent and trump is seemingly obsessed, still, today, with further humiliating sessions. again, a man who agrees with him

on virtually every icky policy position trump holds. sessions' crime? following doj ethics rules and recusing himself from overseeing the russia investigation into the trump campaign. donna and matt are still here. matt, no matter how much things change, they stay the same when it comes to trump. he wants his roy cohn and all roads have a russia center divide. >> yeah, that's right. it's in some ways the original sin of the administration, and this fight goes back to very early on. it was in jeff session sessions few weeks he recused himself. this was the black letter rules of the justice department that required him to recuse himself. but trump wants, as you said of roy cohn, the other way to look at it, he wants a roger stone. he expected jeff sessions to act like roger stone and protect him, even though it would have been a clear violation of doj regulations for him to do so in this instance. i don't know when it will happen in this primary tonight.

i suspect sessions will lose, that trump still has enough pull in that primary. i do respect sessions' choice to recuse himself and follow the rules in this case. but i think the problem he's always had is, he did follow the rules. the entire time he was ag and through this campaign as well, exhibited weakness when it came to confronting trump. instead of standing up to the president and saying, i did this because this is what the rules required and as long as i'm ag, i'm going to be independent. i'm going to make decisions on the facts and the law. he cowered and hid from the president and tried to defend himself weakly and meekly and suck up to him and thateally

humiliate anyone. you can only humiliate yourself and he can only humiliate you if

you let him, and that's what he did. >> donna, this is a very without any heroes. and it took bill barr to make jeff sessions look like a good trump-era attorney general for following as matt miller said, the letter of the ethics laws of doj. but it is notable when you go back to the sessions' era just how far that building has fallen under bill barr. >> well, i mean, i think at least you could argue that jeff sessions had a respect for the department that clearly bill barr does not. i'll be interested -- i would not ordinarily be up late at night watching a republican primary in alabama but i will be watching tonight because i'm also interested whether his opponent tuberville wins tonight or not and seeing the margin the show us what the split is within the republican party in terms of trump allies versus others and i

think that that will show us what can happen in these red states going forward in november. they're going to be the kind of enthusiasm to vote for the trump guy versus jeff sessions and so i look at sessions as a kind of a study in what the lengths that you would have to go in order to get the support of this president and clearly sessions did not go far enough because he didn't protect the president in the way that bill barr has gone out of his way to do. and at the same time dragging the department of justice down in a way that we could not have imagined so this is much a comment tonight's race about where the republican party is as it is about who used to be a famous and promising senator from the state of alabama.

>> it's such a good point. i will be watching, too. it should be a no-brainer. the trump guy should win in alabama running away and that we're going to be staying up says something about the open questions about trump's influence even in alabama. two of our favorite people to talk about all topics. thank you. after the break, another celebration of lives well lived.

her name was cynthia tilly. well, officially that was her name. some people just called her tilly. for others she was cindy. or maybe queenie. her grandchildren called her gigi. everyone could agree on one thing. she had an unmatched love for life itself, a spirit, an indefinable energy. she was the life of the party, loved to dance, loved music, motown and beach tunes. after she died of the coronavirus, at the young age of 61 myrtle beach online in south carolina called her a heart of ocean drive. our thoughts are with her family in particular. while we talk about family, this is george longoria. her daughter told the abc station in houston she couldn't

remember when her dad wasn't working two jobs to put food on the table, that he was imposing in size but with the heart of a teddy bear. he was a security guard at the bigger venues so if you have been to a concert or sporting event there you could have crossed paths with george. he died on friday of coronavirus but we'll remember him for that wonderful smile and the love he shared with everyone. that does it for our hour. thank you for letting us into your homes in these unbelievable times. we're grateful. our coverage continues with chuck todd after a quick break. i'm sorry! oh, jeez. hi. kelly clarkson. try wayfair! oh, ok. it's going to help you, with all of... this! yeah, here you go. thank you! oh, i like that one! [ laugh ] that's a lot of storage! perfect. you're welcome!

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