joining us with that historical perspective. that does it for me. i'll see you tomorrow morning starting at 10:00 a.m. eastern. steve kornacki picks it up now. and good evening. i'm steve kornacki in new york and with election day now less than four months away amid a presidential campaign upended by the coronavirus pandemic that continues across the country, new polls today show president trump struggling on multiple fronts. this, with his advisers trying to get him to refocus his campaign and message. nbc news reports as he tries to find a line of attack on joe biden that stick, quote, his political advisers have bluntly told him he can't win the november election if the campaign is about him. a wave of new polls, including one just out within a few hours, paint a picture for president trump that right now, is grim.

so let's take a look. this is the bottom line. nbc "wall street journal" national poll, again just out in the last two hours. joe biden with a 51-40 advantage. 11 points over donald trump. you see biden over 50% there. one way to put this in some perspective, yes, there's time to go. yes, there's the possibility that donald trump could come back and win this thing, but take a look, in our same nbc news "wall street journal" poll, at the past several presidents who have been running for re-election. where they stood in the nbc "wall street journal" poll at this point. so check this out. in 2012, barack obama running against mitt romney. right around this time, he led romney by six. he was re-elected. george w. bush, 2004, against kerry. right around this time, he led kerry by two. he was re-elected. won by about that margin. bill clinton, 1996, running against bob dole. big lead in that race for bill clinton and clinton did win pretty easily over bob dole. it was 1992, george h.w. bush,

right at this moment in the '92 campaign. the middle of july when bush fell behind bill clinton. he never recovered. never got ahead, lost the election. that's the candidate right now, that's the past president, i should say, who's trajectory trump's most mimics. we'll see if that changes, but the last three presidents who all won re-election were very different place politically. if he's trailing by 11, not a big surprise here. his approval sitting at 42%. big disapproval number. this is the interesting thing. he still has, trump, an approval rating, a positive majority approval rating on the economy. remember, he wanted to run for re-election focusing on that, but the coronavirus has taken hold. look at that. way upside down there. 37-59 disapprove on the coronavirus. race relations also take iing center stage. more than 60% disapproving there. so again, it's a huge problem for him. this as well. can you be enthusic or comfo

comfortable, potentially, about trump or biden? they're actually tied. same number of people say they could be enthusiastic about trump and biden. here's where you start to see the difference. you have some reservations. 22% do about biden. 8 for trump. why? because of this. very uncomfortable with the idea of supporting this candidate. a majority there for trump. only 38% for biden. just a lot more really deeply held, it seems, negative feeling toward trump as compared to biden. again, that seems to be a factor here. we can break this down by race. this looks like 2016 among african-american, hispanics. the change is among white voters. trump won them by 20. there's a big gap here. that white college, no college divide. you see trump leading by 22. biden. with a a 15-point advantage. white college. plus, and let me see, i thought i had one more there. i don't. so that's the state of the race right now.

you can see the president is in big trouble right now. we will see. time, you know, still for him to get back into this, but how could he? so, what is the nature of this election mean? will it all fall on public opinion of president trump? i am joined by senior director of programming for sirius xm and hugh hewitt. serena, let me start with you. 11-point lead for joe biden. how safe do you think that lead is? >> look, i work for hillary clinton, so no poll lead is safe when it comes to an election against donald trump with all the factors at play. but one of things i think joe biden can focus on because the constituencies that he needs to win are constituencies that are targeted by certain voter se precious efforts and the criticism of mail in ballot access. so i feel like his focus in this moment isn't just to engage the constituencies that he needs to

win, but ensure they are able to access the ballot box without having to stand in a line for hours and hours in the rain like some of the scenes we saw out of georgia recently. and i think that the constituencies of the future are the constituencies that very much are represented in the democratic coalition that biden is looking to build. he's going to win the black vote. he's going to win the let's know vote, but how many black and latino voters are able to turn out in those critical states? that's a question that i think joe biden is trying to figure out right now. >> i think we resolved the technical difficulties and we now have hugh hewitt with us. welcome. thank you for joining us. not sure you could hear the first part of this conversation. but i'll turn to you. we went through some poll numbers. i think you're very familiar with. the president behind double digits nationally in a position that looks very different than the presidents who won re-election. starting to look more, at least at this moment, like the last president to lose re-election. that was bush in '92.

do you believe the president can turn this around and win and if so, how? >> oh, sure. he's down nine and a half in the five polls released the average and i would suggest that you were the one to say to me on the radio go back and look at due caucus, bush, in '98. he was ahead 17 points on july 22nd, 1988. there are some outliers. but assume it's 9.5 points down. i think yesterday's rose garden was the beginning of a campaign that will sort of be relentlessly one-on-one interviews. they miss the rallies. i think he is hurt by that. but that rose garden message, particularly, the closing stark contrast between what has happened in venezuela in the last 20 years and the economic recovery that trump promises will happen and the president says look, i did it once, i can do it again. he's got to continue to make

that message in every setting. so he's doing at least one or two one-on-one interviews per day. a lot of them on television. a lot with print reporters. i think he goes to radio soon and i think he drives home that message and tries to dominate the air waves in the way bill clinton used to do in '96. dole never got ahead of clinton like this. but i think everyone in the business realizes it's a lot, but it's a lot of time. four months is a lot of time. >> joe biden, i think this jumped out to me. the positive negative, basically, the favorable, unfavorable question opinions of these two candidates. 39% positive, biden's is 36 negative. i thought that number might be better. clearly, biden is ahead right now. hugh seems to be saying look, the trump campaign has an opportunity to focus this more on biden, get him more into the

spotlight. do you see any vulnerability in that number for bide snn. >> certainly not as much an indicator of outcome as it was in 2016 where hillary clinton had high favorables and so dso,s you know, a lot of people's assessment that i don't like either of these candidates but i'm going to vote for trump and give him a shot in some voter's words. in this case, biden is a much known entity and i don't know that the feelings to your point, of disapproval are as strong, but also, we are living through an unprecedented moment and so a lot of the normal indicators that we could look to and say this is how a voter is going to behave in november, i think there's a little bit of a different calculation. this election is a vote for our literal survival. not just as human beings, but also as a nation. a democratic nation, with the rule of law and i think you know, to hugh's point about the president's message, he can talk

about rebuilding the economy, but until he listens to the scientists and focuses on the data that establishes how to safely reopen schools and then subsequently the economy, but not in the reverse order, he's not going to get the economy under control because both of these crises are interconnected. >> we have it up on the screen, hugh. at the start of this year, the president clearly believed the economy was going to power into a second term and his numbers on the economy at the start of this year look like they do now. that's majority approval, but it's those other two topics there. the coronavirus, race relations, overwhelmingly negative views for the president's performance on that. especially when you talk about coronavirus. it does not look like it's going away anytime soon. certainly not before the election. i know there's the hope there on the president's part that they can make this more of a choice between trump and biden, but there's the referendum aspect of

the president running for re-electi re-election. if his numbers continue to look like this on the coronavirus, can he realistically win a second term? >> yes, i think so. i think that the economy and people's looking forward is going to be so significantly different this time around than when bush lost in '92. there was a referendum on an actual recession caused by policy that occurred in the spring of the election year. here, everybody knows why we have yet to economic wall. and everybody knows we need m moderna or astrazeneca to come up with a vaccine. our therapies have to be successful. if the flatten the curve works a a second time in california and the underlying especially deem yol ji come through to support why the virus spreads and why, and the president can make the persuasive case that the blue collar vote that was there in january is because of his deregulatory efforts and his guiding of the economy, he will speak to individual voters and you know, i think it's a thre

three-state election. republicans are trying to put minnesota, new hampshire into play. democrats are try iing to put north korea and arizona into play. the texas stuff is kind of laughable. but maybe an eight-state election. but he has to target the voters in those states and you may or may not agree there's an opportunity in the african-american community, but i think the president has an opportunity to increase his numbers on the security issue in that community. i think it's so far away from being not just decided, but even not fluid given the unprecedented nature of this circumstance. not only social media, not only the coronavirus, not only the economic collapse in the coming rebound, but also the appearance of the chinese communist party is a legitimate global threat on the order of the soviet ewan youn back in the 1980 election. all bets are off. >> let me put this up on the screen and ask you about this. there was a couple of polls in fact out of pennsylvania. one poll out of pennsylvania today, a couple of numbers from

that poll. the bottom line, it's a monmouth poll. 53-40. biden leading trump. we've seen a number of polls, out of those states, there's the three traditionally democratic states that switched to trump in '16 that have shown results maybe not as lop ssided, but certainly in biden's favor. in the poll, they asked folks about the prospect of secret voters. the idea of folks not telling you they're going to vote for somebody, but they codo it. there's a strong suspicious, seems to cut across party lines, that there are secret voters there for donald trump. somebody that wouldn't pop up in polling. that would only come up on election day. do you think there's anything to th that or do you think that's a lot of folks letting their minds get away with them a little bit? >> i think it's a little bit of them letting their minds get away with it. i think certainly there are people who may not want to tell

a pollster they support donald trump because of the policy impacts on communities of collar and what that says about them to support that candidate who implements those policies. but i don't that there is a larger number of secret trump voters than black and brown voters who are being ignored by the media, by the mainstream by establishment and really the conversation rit large. there are more voters that voted for barack obama in 2012 that did not turn out for hillary clinton in 2016 than the margin of victory. that's the winning path for joe biden. he needs to focus on engaging those folks because they've shown they can, they will show up if engaged to vote for the president. on the democratic side and so that's where he needs to focus. i don't think there's a secret trump vote. i think there's a negatilected biden vote in black and brown communities need to be spoken directly to in order to be engaged to turn out. z >> hugh, you mention ed the ide

of the trump campaign really starting to turn up the heat on joe biden there. we had the number in here. the voters you say they don't like trump and they don't like biden. if you remember back in 2016, the voters who didn't like trump didn't like clinton. the double haters they were called. overwhelmingly broke for trump in 2016. in our poll, we've seen this in a number of others, those voters now breaking overwhelmingly for joe biden. is joe biden a more difficult candidate for trump to run against than hillary clinton was? >> used to be. i think vice president biden was a much better candidate four years ago than he is now and hillary clinton really was the worst possible nominee to run against donald trump. but the vice president's ability on the campaign trial this year is still very much up for grabs and on this side, that's a term we invited when john major won an upset victory, that's not a mod l i'm looking for. i'm looking for the brexit model where dominic cummings went out and found new voters.

i grew up seven miles from pennsylvania. i don't believe that number today. i talk weekly on my radio show. western pennsylvania is the brat and the joe biden and whoever's running, kamala harris or whoever it is, they're going to be antienergy and anti the thing that has brought pennsylvania back. i think pennsylvania is the keystone of those three states. i think western pennsylvania is the keystone of the keystone. and god forbid it's down to the steeler's fans, but that's what it looks like to me. >> i think it's philadelphia. >> we got a little western pennsylvania. we'll have to leave it there. thank you both for joining us. >> thank you. >> preeappreciate that and her book, the end of white politics, how to heal our liberal divide, that is out right now. coming up, dr. anthony fauci responds to the white house officials openly questioning his credibility. >> it is a bit bizarre. i don't really fully understand

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i think we are in a good place. i disagree with him. dr. fauci says don't wear masks. now he says wear them. he said numerous things. don't close off china. dr. fauci's a nice man, but he's made a lot of mistakes. a lot of mistakes were made. a lot of mistakes. zpl president trump's recent criticism of dr. fauci is part of what nbc news describes as a quote to discredit america's top infectious disease expert. that includes a leak last weekend of nearly a dozen past

comment comments. now peter navarro has gone further claim aing in a "usa today" op-ed that fauci quote has been wrong about everything i have interacted with him on. when you ask whether i listen to his advice, my answer is only with skepticism and caution. the spokesperson was quick to distance the white house from navarro, saying quote, the op-ed didn't go through normal white house clearance processes, however, it comes after trump allies like rudy giuliani and dan scavino openly attacked fauci. fauci described the quotes against him as completely wrong. here he is today. >> it is a bit bizarre. i don't fully understand it. i cannot figure out in my wildest dreams why they would want to do that. but i mean i think they realize now that that was not a prudent thing to do because it's only

reflecting negatively on them. i can't explain peter navarro. he's in a world by himself so i don't even want to go there. >> for his part, trump down played his differences with fauci today and rep remanded navarro. >> he made a statement remitting himself. he shouldn't be doing that. i have a very good relationship with anthony. thank you very much. thank you. >> and i'm joined now by jeff bennett, white house correspondent for msnbc and jonathan lemire, white house reporter for the associated press. jeff, if you could, try to explain what happened here with this navarro op-ed. the president didn't seem entirely pleased wit, but how did it come into the public square to begin with? >> when you have both president trump and white house officials trying to distance themselves from this op-ed that navarro wrote, but look, there's little doubt this op-ed and navarro's comments reflect and convey

president trump's own frustrations. he said today he likes fauci, but that doesn't really matter much in given the fact that here we are in the throes of this pandemic that he's not take iin the advice of america's top disease expert. fauci hasn't been invited into the office to brief trump since early june. so here you have dr. fauci who has a reputation for straight talk, dire assessments and warnings about the coronavirus risks and response and that sands in stark contradiction to what president trump is trying to do as the president tries to reopen the country. so today, our reporting is that white house chief of staff, mark meadows, earlier in the week, told white house staff to stand down. deescalate all of these attacks against dr. fauci, then peter navarro went ahead and wrote this op-ed. in a norm universe, a normal administration, someone who has done something like navarro has

done, would face some sort of disciplinary action. it's not clear now if he'll face any sort of punishment for what he's done. >> so, john, let me put some poll numbers up. new quinnipiac poll here asking this question, who do you trust when it comes to the coronavirus. trump versus fauci. for trump, 30% trust. 67%, two-thirds there saying do not trust. basically, the exact opposite for fauci. 65% trust. 26% don't trust. look at this. the president's public comments when it comes to fauci, the fact of these talking points last weekend. the fact of this op-ed. the fact of some trump allies there as we mentioned putting in a very critical commentary about fauci. is there any coordinated attempt here at all to have it both ways to get criticism out there, but not to have the president directly mixing it up with somebody as popular as this? >> first of all, man, if i had a dime for every time the phrase,

if this were a normal white house, was uttered on this air, i would be sitting pretty right now. what we're seeing here, steve, is a few things. there seems to be some degree of coordination here from the white house to attack the reputation of dr. fauci. those poll must remember rs at the heart of it. right now, this white house has singularly focused on trying to reopen the nation's economy. that includes the push to open schools again. in doing so, defiance of the advice it's getting from medical professional, both outside and inside the white house. that includes dr. fauci. that trump and his advisers believe that a strong economy is the single best he has of being re-elected this november and even standing in its way kind of gets steam rolled. that seems to be what's happening here with dr. fauci. the last few days. the talking points. e-mailed around to reporters who were working on stories about dr. fauci. certainly throughout this pandemic, the president had been

jealous of the doctor's very positive media attention. white house aides have complained that dr. fauci was in their words, delivering one message behind closed doors then in interviews, was being critical of the president. he's only really doing podcasts and zooms and alternative means. and that may though, and that seemed to have culminated in this peter navarro op-ed. which seemed to give voice to some of the things the president's been saying behind closed doors. whether or not he had approval from the president remains unclear. mark meadows denied today that the president signed off on that. we also saw other nods today like the white house is perhaps trying to lay down their arms against dr. fauci. mike pence spoke highly of him in a coronavirus task force meeting today in which dr. fauci was front and center and the president was also complimentary

of the doctor. >> not a lot of direct personal meetings between fauci and the president lately. is the expectation that fauci is going to remain in this position throughout the election zpl sxwl he has no plans to step down and president trump can't fire him directly given fauci isn't a political appointee. he's a civil servant. opinion on the job for some 40 years. served six presidents and it was former president bush who awarded him the presidential medal of freedom. a source today told me e yes, one of the reasons why fauci is sidelined because of the president's current push to open the economy, but if you look to this aggressive timeline where white house officials say they expect to have a vaccine and therapeutics available potentially late fall, early next year, that really is the grand prize and so what they're trying to do, i'm told, part of the strategy, is to sideline

people who might be problematic, who might raise issues about a potential vaccine or therapeutics. when that comes online. especially if that happens before the election, steve. >> all right, jeff, jonathan. thank you both for joining us. really appreciate that. up next, we're going to get on the scene reports from correspondents in three states struggling with surging coronavirus cases. stay with us. we're right back after this. iths we're right backft aer this. i wanted my hepatitis c gone. i put off treating mine. epclusa treats all main types of chronic hep c. whatever your type, epclusa could be your kind of cure. i just found out about mine. i knew for years. epclusa has a 98% overall cure rate. i had no symptoms of hepatitis c mine caused liver damage. epclusa is only one pill, once a day, taken with or without food for 12 weeks. before starting epclusa, your doctor will test if you have had hepatitis b, which may flare up, and could cause serious liver problems during and after treatment.

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the country continues to grapple with the pandemic. in some of the hardest hit cities, hospital rs filling up, businesses are closing and testing remains a challenge. more than 40 states have seen their numbers increase over the past two weeks. on a positive note, deaths are down and in some states, theorizing, not yet at least at the levels they were in new york. dr. fauci called for a reset. >> we're not going in the right direction now. so we got to call a time-out. do a pause and say, what do we need to do? we need to take a look and maybe we need to walk back a bit and say, if you're going to open, we've got to get everybody on the same team. >> and today, oklahoma governor announced he has tested positive for the coronavirus. he attended president trump's rally in tulsa last month, which

experts likely said contributed to a surge in cases in that state. and alabama, which recorded its highly daily death toll, the governor issued a statewide mask mandate. we have reporters all across the county tri, but let's start with kerry sanders in florida. >> when it comes to numbers, you know more about the value and meaning of numbers than most. let's take a look at what happened in florida with the most recent numbers of positive tests in florida. we have 10,085 positive tests in a day. the record was 15,300, but just yesterday, we had 9,261. so you can see the numbers are going up and down. they're not going in the direction that we would really like to see in the state, which is down, down, down. and in miami-dade county, the real concern, again, another number, is that the icus now are beyond capacity. we're at 106%. how? well, hospitals do recognize what's going on so they've made

plans to take areas that are not typically icus, open them up and add beds and other equipment needed. so we are now at pennsylvaniaed passed 100% for the icus. the big remains, is the governor of florida going to take a lead in setting a statewide mandate and at this point, he continues to say this is better handled at the local level because the state of florida is like many different states. the geography, the communities, what's happening in destin, florida, is very different than what's happening here. so for the moment, there's no requirement. as i take you one last moment to underscore this, indian river county voting on the question of whether they should wear masks and the county deciding that will not be mandated by the indian river community. so the county commission ers there are passing the buck and the governor saying well, that's a local decision. >> kerry standers in ft. la

lauderdale. thanks for that. now, to priscilla thompson in rio texas. you've seen a quickly rising count here. tell us the latest. >> that's right, steve, and another day of record breaking numbers here in texas. announcing nearly 10,800 positive cases. that is a record single day increase in positive cases. 110 deaths. another record there. and this comes as we are hearing reports across the state of those morgue trailers, those refrenr refrigerated trucks and trailers being brought in to help as the morgues reach capacity. so again, a very grim picture coming out of texas today and this comes as the calls from local leaders and officials are growing louder. asking the governor to grant them power to issue those stay at home orders in their jurisdictions. the houston chronicle today reporting that one of the

governors top medical advisers is saying that a renalal region approach may be necessary to address this pandemic, brn, we a number of local interviews, pushing back still on a idea of a shutdown order. so it remains to be seen what is going to happen on that front, but what the governor is doing is sending in additional resources. we learned today that they are going to be more department of defense teams coming in here to the rio grande valley as cases spike in this predominantly latino community and across the state of texas. steve. >> thank you for that. we're going to go now to dasha burns in montgomery, alabama. what can you tell us on the ground where you are? >> hey, steve. well, the governor today did issue a statewide mask mandate. she had resisted that until today, but in explaining the order at her press conference,

she said the numbers just don't lie, and the numbers in alabama are staggering. they've been setting records in cases, hospitalizations and deaths almost every day for the last couple of weeks. yesterday, another record in hospitalizations. more than 1300 patients hospitalized and steve, this comes alongside record low icu capacity. today, icu beds are 85% full across the state. only 253 beds left in the state of alabama. and at this hospital, i've been here today, there are no beds available whatsoever and doctors are telling me it's gotten to the point where the way that a bed does become available is when a patient passes away and they tell me that the bed gets quickly filled. they're transporting patients from as far as 120 miles away to fill these beds. that just goes to show how rare icu beds are in the state right

now and the head of the alabama hospitals association raised a red flag to me about the next ten days. he said they are critical in getting this virus under control because if they don't, there could be a deadly wave coming just as schools begin to reopen mid august. >> all right. in the capital city of alabama. thank you for that report. appreciate that. and yesterday, we told you about how a covid-19 vaccine developed by the national institutes of health and moderna had boosted people's immune systems. today, itv is reporting that a similar trial led by astrazeneca in the united kingdom is generating a positive response in the human body. dr. torres joins me now. thank you for joining us. let me ask you about the news out of britain here. i think this is the oxford vaccine being developed. this is one, the scientists there, were making a lot of noise and it sounded like a lot of hype in the early days of this pan, saying they thought this summer, they would have a

vaccine that worked. still, more positive news today about that project. what do you know about it? >> you're right. it's more positive news, but still shows we have a ways to go because they haven't gone through all the clinical trials yet, but what we expect is come monday, they're going to release in one of the big journals just the results they have from the trials they've done so far. what we think we're going to find out is what we call kind of the double benefit behind their vaccine. that means two different things are going on at the same time and both are extreme ly important. one, they're developing antibodies. these are annuitializing antibodies that can specifically attack coronavirus and that's important, but as you've talked about in the past, those antibodies, we don't know how long they're going to last and they seem to wane after a while. so the second party is equally important and this is the news that a lot of people are looking at. are they going to get these things called helper t cells. they're almost like special forces troops of your immune system. they stay out there, start hunting around for the virus.

once they find the virus, they kick the immune system into gear to produce the antibodies, so even though they're not finding antibodies, if they have those helper t cells, they can go a long ways to making sure the virus is attacked over a long period of time. that means if they get both of those, which we'll find out monday, then that means we won't necessarily means booster shots or booster shots that close together. this is going to be fantastic news. you're seeing a lot of companies are racing to develop this vaccine. the two ones in the front now, moderna in the oxford astrazeneca one are the ones in the lead. we'll find out more here soon. more clinical trials to come. hopefully fda approval and hopefully by the end of the year, beginning of next year, we have that vaccine. >> just curious how that works quickly. you know, good fnews they keep clearing these hurdles. you get to the point where it's ready, sounds like there's a difference when the vaccine is ready and ready for mass

distribution. i guess the question is how early could we be at a point where a vaccine is widely available enough that our lives start to go back to normal? >> and what you're seeing here is something unprecedented. they've never done with vaccines, but also, we've never been in this situation before. usually, they go through all three phases and they analyze the data then they start looking at production and produce it. it takes months or years to get that production. here, they're taking gambles. they're saying if we get to phase three and it looks like it's working, let's start production. we might end up eating that cost if we can't get the fda approval, but we're confident we'll get it. so let's start producing. so by the time they're finished, they can get the vaccine out there and ready right away. what some companies are saying is by the end of the year, they think they'll have 100 million plus doses. those are targeted more towards health care workers and those that are particularly vulnerable and by the end of next year, a

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course the big thing about this race, sessions was not running with the support of his former boss, he was running with his former boss doing everything in his power to stop jeff sessions from winning. of course donald trump blaming jeff sessions for his actions. his attorney general specifically recusing himself from the russia investigation. trump blaming sessions for basically everything that followed. you can see the president's endorsement of tubberville. soundly beating sessions. how overwhelming was the victory? the former coach of auburn university, auburn's hated rival in alabama, the university of alabama, well, guess what. the county where the university of alabama is, tuscaloosa county, went for tubberville. that's how overwhelming the win was. what does this mean? it sets up a battle between doug jones and tubberville. jones of course the democrat who won the special election over roy moore, controversial

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i can show it to you. it was this race. right here. 2012. in massachusetts. does this sound familiar? scott brown. had won a special election in 2010 in a state that had overwhelmingly been voting democratic for president then went for a full term in the presidential election year of 2012 and lost to elizabeth warren. there may be some paralleling there in terms of the challenge. that's the kind of challenge doug jones is up against. brown got close there in massachusetts. that was a real campaign, but ultimately, that partisan tide in massachusetts was too much to overcome. we will see in alabama as blue as massachusetts is, alabama is red. we will see if jones fares any better. still ahead, twitter is calling it quote, an incident. dozens if not hundreds of verified accounts hacked. this includes joe biden and

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a considerable amount of money before twitter was able to freeze the accounts. and for more, i'm joined by nbc news reporter ben collins who knows this world very well and can explain to us, ben, exactly what happened here? >> i can explain a lot of it, but the weird thing is i can't explain the full amount of it yet because we don't really know yet. what it appears is that somebody has write access, which means they can write any tweet they want on any twitter. so what twitter has done in the interim is pause tweeting from verified accounts. they were twitting this bitcoin scam. two people for a couple of hours here. it was pretty much unstoppable. that's why they have paused that tweeting. we don't really know what happened yet. on the dark web there has been some rumblings that maybe somebody has access to the central console of twitter so somebody can look at anything

and tweet anything. that is the best guess. they don't really account for this. this is the largest scale hack that twitter has ever gone through so far. >> explain for us what happened here. folks got into these accounts. like they got into barack obama's account. they posted a message through it and they were getting money from this? >> so around 4:30 p.m. eastern time, bill gate's account, elon musk's account, uber's official account and apple's as well started tweeting this one bitcoin address and the address started taking in tens of thousands of dollars. it said if you tweet it out, it would double it and all this stuff. it was all a scam. best case scenario, somebody just has access to write tweets. that would be a really great outcome for twitter here. but there are really bad outcomes here. really the scarey thing is if you think about this, say this

happens the night before the election, weeks before the election and this same account was for sale on the dark web, these same credentials were for sale on the dark web. this is a really dangerous thing. >> yeah. i think that's the other thing. the question that occurs to me is somebody like barack obama, a former president. joe biden, potentially a future president, a former vice president, a lot of us have an assumption that there is an extra layer of security there for something. the world can be so dramatically altered by a tweet these days, somebody in a position like that, there would be an extra layer of protection, but there isn't. >> there usually is. they did everything right. these are high tech people. elon musk, bill gates, people like that and they still got around it. this is an unprecedented attack. we might not know them fully for a while.

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welcome back. president trump's niece, mary trump, is speaking out for the first time since a judge lifted a restraining order that had prevented her from publically talking about her family in her new book about the president. >> what's the single most important thing you think the country needs to know about your uncle? >> he's utterly incapable of leading this country. and it's dangerous to allow him to do so. >> based on what you see now or what you saw then? >> based on what i have seen my entire adult life. >> what do you want to happen now? >> this country is on a precipice, and we have a decision to make in the not too distant future about who we want to be and where we want to go as a country. >> if you are in the oval office today, what would you say to

him? >> resign. >> and tomorrow night at 9:00 p.m., she will sit down with my colleague rachel maddow. you are not going to miss that. and don't go anywhere because "all in" with chris hayes is up next. tonight on "all in," the trump plan is no plan as coronavirus cases soar across the country. it is every state for itself, every school for itself. the white house goes with disinformation in a smear campaign instead of one to fight the virus. the oklahoma the governor tests positive weeks after attending that trump rally in tulsa. then you hate to see it. jeffrey sessions the third driven out of public life once and probably for all by the man he helped put in the white house. democratic leadership with just weeks until benefits end, what's the plan to protect millions of workers out of work in the pandemic? the speaker of the house nancy pelosi joins me live when "all