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president trump's drop in those head to head polls against joe biden nationally has a lot of democrats thinking they could when back control of the u.s. senate this november. republicans are defending 23 states this year, not all of them competitive including the one held by majority leader mitch mcconnell whose six terms, coupled with his strangle hold over the u.s. senate has made him the second most influential republican in washington. at the age of 78 he's asking for six more years in the u.s. senate. mcconnell's challenger is amy mcgrath, former fighter pilot in the marine corp. she's brought in $47 million sense she entered the race last year.

now mcgrath's cam papaign shari with this network, showing mcgrath trailing mcconnell by just 4 points. we say that by knowing donald trump carried the red state of kentucky by 30. joining us now lieutenant colonel amy mcgrath. thank you for being with us. as has been constantly recognized and mentioned, you don't scare easily, but mitch mcconnell can build a post office, interstate highway, a bridge a tunnel on a whim. he can confirm a federal judge on a whim and a grin. you almost lost your primary. what gives you optimism to get up every day and continue in this race to unseat this guy in your state? >> well, thanks for having me on. i got to tell you, there are a lot of people here in kentucky who are tired of mitch

mcconnell. the primary you had a lot of angry folks who came out in droves to vote because they're so angry and they want their voices heard. mitch mcconnell has been around so long, but he hasn't done for kentucky what kentucky needs. a lot of people get that. they say what good is a powerful senator if he doesn't use that power for us. even before coronavirus we had real problems in kentucky. we have the highest cancer rates in the country, highest rates of diabetes. we have people that can't afford health care. 40% of people from kentucky have filed for unemployment in the last few months. people are saying what good is this guy? we need new leaders. i hear that over and over. that's what gives me hope. we have to have a message that we have common sense people to take over, move our country in the right direction and move

kentucky in a direction we really need. >> amy, as you know mitch mcconnell has marched in lock step with donald trump and your rising standing in polls is tracking with donald trump's plunging in the polls. i ha where do you come down on this debate that donald trump has injected himself in the middle of forcing schools to open regardless of where the virus is in the country? >> i think people are very scared. we see the coronavirus isn't going away. in many parts of the country it's getting worse and worse. we have a democratic governor here who i believe has put public health first. the school systems i know are all looking to try to keep our kids safe. we all want -- i'm a parent.

i'm a mother of three small children ages 8, 6 and 4. we want to go back to school. i certainly do. we got to do it right. to have the president come out and tell people one size fits all, you got to do this, it's just not the right thing to do right now. we have to look at each individual state, each individual school district, every school district is different. we've got to have personal protective equipment for teachers to keep our kids safe. mitch mcconnell is sitting on over $1 billion in money that could go to kentucky to help our public school systems and help our state and local governments keep through this right now. he's famously said, hey, we ought to let the state and local governments go bankrupt.

kentucky needs help for social workers, for firefighters, for our teachers. before we even talk about going back to school and how we do it safely, we need some help. >> amy, i also want to ask you about something in the news and seems to have faded regrettably. reporting in the "new york times" that donald trump was briefed in his pdb by the intelligence community about a russian program to make payments or pay bounties to taliban fighters for murdering american soldiers. are you surprised there isn't more effort to get answers, to bring intelligence heads to capitol hill, to have any public facing explanation of what went on there? >> well, i'm not surprised in the intelligence. russia is not our friend. they haven't been our friend in a long time. what's outrageous though and what i am surprised about is

that this intelligence wasn't acted upon, not only by the commander in chief who still hasn't acted on by, but also by senator mitch mcconnell. as somebody who wore the uniform for 24 years, i can't believe that this is happening. those of us that wear the uniform, we sign our name on the dotted line to uncle sam to serve our country. the only thing we ask -- the major thing we ask is that our commander in chief has our back, that the leaders in congress has our back. when a foreign adversary does something like this, there has got to be consequences. there have been now. it's unbelievable. it's unbelievable the senate majority leader would make a political calculation to not say anything about this and not stand up to the president and say, mr. president, we have to do something about this. stand up for our troops.

stand up for us. he hasn't done it. he's not going to do it because he's all about politics and political call californl calcul. >> amy mcgrath, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. >> brian, this is where you leave us. you have the longest shift in television. we'll be tuning in at 11:00. >> happy to do it. i've been informed who your next guest is. let me share with the audience nicolle has a live interview with new york governor andrew cuo cuomo. on most days -- in the television news business our coverage can be way too new york centric. it is important these days because of what new york state and city did to the curve, because of what we've been through and lived through, all

of us in the new york metropolitan area, every conversation you have with family and friends usually ends with some form of unless we have to go into lockdown again. it's a note of how we're slaves to the national trend. any carelessness from the feds, we could pay a high price again. it's a fascinating time for you to be joined by your next guest. thank you for having me as a guest. i'll be watching. see you tomorrow. >> all the tease we need. thank you, brian. when we come back, new york governor andrew cuomo joins us. s now is the time to support the places you love. spend 10 dollars or more at a participating small business and get 5 dollars back, up to 10 times with american express.

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governor andrew cuomo. so i had mayor bottoms of atlanta on yesterday. she said you offered to help atlanta. atlanta is dealing with it seems like a confluence of factors. tests, she was tested. if she hadn't had access to same-day testing, she would have had to wait an inordinate amount of time for results. is your support going to help her address that? >> well, nicolle, we're helping cities that are now affected, helping them set up testing, the contact tracing operations. we're helping them with test kits. we're helping them find labs that can turn around the tests faster. it's a cruel tragedy that four months after this all started and we all learned the lessons,

in some ways we're right back where we started. we're doing everything we can to help everyone. >> that includes houston. you sent resources to houston, is that right? >> we set up testing centers in houston and have been working with the mayor there. >> let me ask you this. i know you're not an epidemiologist. people view new york city as having for the moment licked what -- i have my fingers crossed hoping that holds. how do you have an effective contact tracing program if it takes eight to ten days for test results? >> it can't take that long. you're right. that's the problem. we have test results in one day in new york. by the find you catch up with a positive person in aeight days, they'll have infected too many

people. they have to organize their state labs, labs in the state, getting them part of the process in turning around the results faster. >> how much of this is on donald trump? how of this is his failure? >> well, without getting into politics, by the federal government's own admission, nicolle, they did a report today from the cdc that is damning. the cdc report today says what we believed in new york, that the virus first came to new york from europe. they traced the viral strain and the cdc says their travel ban was too late. by the time they did the china travel ban and the european travel ban that the president likes to tout, the virus was already in new york and had been circulating. that was the first mistake. the federal government that was

supposed to protect our public health and homeland security failed. that's how the virus came the first time. there's going to be a second failure which is now all this explosion across the rest of the country was totally predictable. we still don't have the operation set up. we're going to see that infection come back to new york and reinfect new york unless we're very lucky. it's not only the first failure that allowed the virus to come. it's the second failure that four months later we're still talking about eight days to get testing results. >> for all of the tragedy and strain on our hospitals and our city and our state, are you surprised to see governors like governor kemp twid ling his thumbs about something like mask

which is the lease invasive way to slow the spread? >> nicolle, that we're still talking about masks is in defensivable. you have the ihme projection model which is the model that the white house follows. it's funded by gates. they say 40,000 more americans will die because we didn't have a mask policy. 40,000 people will die because we didn't have a mask policy? every health expert says it. every federal health expert says it. the cdc says it. the nih says it. that we're allowing politics to allow americans to die is a level of dysfunction that we haven't seen in this country before. look, we know what the real virus is. the virus that we ti're dealing with is not the covid virus.

it's the virus of american division and partisanship and the virus of government incompetence. that's what this nation is dealing with. that's the pandemic. the vision and government incompetence. we have to recognize it, treat it with science. we have to unify, otherwise we'll never defeat this virus. >> well, that virus, the one of division, has injected itself right smack dab in the middle of the conversation. everyone with kids or everyone who knows kids is having right now about what happens in september. can you take us inside your thinking for new york state and new york city for schools. >> the trump campaign has a line that was incredible. science should not get in the way of opening schools. >> you can't make it up. >> yeah, i couldn't. again, talk about making the same mistake over and over again. they're talking about re-opening

schools the same way they talked about re-opening the economy. just do it. just do it. just re-open the economy. well, we saw how well that worked. they pounded me for having a phased re-opening based on data. now new york is re-opened and the states that re-opened prematurely are closing, nicolle. schools are the same thing. you have to open schools by the science. you're talking about the health and safety of our children. that comes first. study the viral spread. if the virus is under control, open the schools. if the virus is not under control, then don't open the schools. study the progress of the virus and do it by the data. that's what we're going to do in new york. >> do you have enough money to make sure that kids that don't have high speed internet access or tech savvy moms and dads or parents with the luxury of working from home won't fall

behind? >> if we are where we are today in new york, if the virus infection rate is where we are today, we open schools. my fear is we have a second wave, not the second wave we originally talked about which was a mutation of the virus. this second wave is going to be other states infecting us again for a second time. hopefully we can open schools. if you can't open schools, then, look, between jeopardizing the students' health and doing the best you can on remote learning, i would say do the best you can on remote learning. health and safety has to come first. >> not to make this about me, but i have a student in new york city in school. are you saying right now, if things stay on their current trend, that you would have all schools in new york city open fully in september? >> if the virus stays where it

is now in new york and we keep this level of spread, then you can open schools. exactly how you would open schools is something that we have to work through. there are different models of opening schools. the first answer would be yes, you can open and you need safety precautions in place if you are where we are now. so it could be a modification of the normal operation, but they would open. >> what does our next phase look like? what caveats are you adding? are you troubled by people hanging outside of restaurants and bars? what's your sense of how compliant new yorkers are right now? >> 99% of new yorkers are compliant. we were the first state in the united states to do the mask

order. we did it back in april and there was the first order in the nation and it was right. they've gotten the message of masks. compliance is about 97, 98%. the problem is it only takes two or three to create a problem. we are having issues of compliance, especially in new york city, especially around bars and restaurants. we're talking about going to phase four on monday in new york city. phase four is the final opening phase. i'm going to limit it, if we do it, only outdoor activities which means malls don't open and cultural institutions can open, but only outdoor. no indoor activities. we also have some regulations for bars and restaurants. we allowed outdoor dining. what you're seeing in new york city is these outdoor block

parties. they're just distributing alcohol and you have large congregations. that's not what we anticipated. so we have to be careful about that. we're going to have additional regulations on that. >> governor, it's always great to talk to you about all these things. it's great as a new yorker to see you and our state out there helping some of the other emerging hot spots. thank you for jumping on the phone and spending time with us. >> my pleasure, nicolle. thank you. coming up a surging pandemic and a president who is m.i.a. "deadline white house" next. whi. come on, no no n-n-n-no-no only discover has no annual fee on any card.

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hi, everyone. it's 4:00 in the east. as the country struggles under the wait of sky rocketing coronavirus infections, with cases increasing in 40 states, capacity burst hospitalizations and dwindling supplies of ppe the trump administration is hijacking its prestige of health advisers. people like anthony fauci who said yesterday the president is the real loser. turns out fauci is right. trump's political standing cratered to its lowest point

ev ever. the nbc news/"wall street journal" poll shows trump trailing biden by 11 points. it's even bleaker in the battle ground states. quinnipiac puts biden's lead at 15 points. what may harm trump the most is he's been rendered so politically irrelevant that red state governors are charting their own path. governors in two conservative states, alabama and montana, said wednesday people are obligated to wear masks while in public. nearly half of all states have a mask mandate. neither trump's mounting political impotence nor the grows crisis has served for a wake up call for trump t. as cases soar there's no clear

national strategy for battling the virus. no federal plan for re-opening, testing or contract tracing apart from scatter-shot public health recommendations. instead he's tried to out market the virus. central to that effort is a new campaign manager. good luck with that. the president m.i.a. on the pandemic is where we start today. with us white house bureau chief phil rucker, also "new york times" political reporter and former communication director in the obama white house, jen palmieri. phil, this has been one of those weeks in the trump white house that people will time capsule and look back on. remember that week in the rose garden when he said all that crazy stuff, none of them sentences. remember that week when even the red estatdest states started to

their own week and remember the week that models predicted 40,000 people could be saved if there were a mask mandate. >> nicolle, i was there in the rose garden as the president went on for an hour talking about a wide range of topics, but briefly talking about the coronavirus which is the pandemic we're dealing with across this country. he's grasping for ways to recover politically to gain some momentum and the easiest thing he could do is take charge of the pandemic and get control of it and make people feel safer and more secure and get the testing where a lot of the public health experts believe it could be. yet he's not been able or not shown the discipline or interest in doing so. instead he's trying to pretend the virus doesn't exist and

talking about these other topics. it's the virus keeping the economy from coming back and it's keeping him trailing in these polls. when you talk to his advisers, they cannot get a handle on this virus and get it under control. >> phil, i hate to dwell on this. is there nothing about the loss of life or the scale or the tragedy that gets him? >> well, i don't know what's in his heart or what's in his mind, but i can tell you over the three and a half years we've been watching him act as president, he has very rarely, if ever, shown compassion or empathy and human emotion we're used to seeing from national leaders and from our presidents. certainly his aides all say he doesn't want to lose lives and the president himself has said

one death is one death too many. yet we've not seen him react publicly in an emotional way to the tragedy and devastation playing out across our cities and towns. >> do we have any reporting that suggests he's called anyone that's lost a loved one due to the coronavirus? >> i don't have that reporting and i'm not aware of that ever happening. >> listen, nick, i ask these things because i think the public polling reflects more than just people feeling horrible and sad and frustrated about the prospect of no school in the fall, about for some small business owners closing for the first time, for others having to reclose and for the poor souls who have lost loved ones, they had their lives blown

up. the idea that an american president, that we know of, i think we can hold phil rucker and "the washington post" and i'll ask the same question of you, nick, if the president were calling families newspapers would know about it. the deficit around empathy was always obvious. there's something pathological about trying to ignore what the country is going through, nick. >> if you look at the polls, nicolle, a 10 or 11% gap is astonishing. it's a picture of a big part of the country washing their hands of the guy in the white house, deciding he can't be relied on from their leader. it would be fairly simple for most presidents to adopt a bare bones playbook. steal it from andrew cuomo. have a regular briefing.

show you at least are trying to engage and be on top of this catastrophe that the country is living through. people, businesses, the economy, everything is suffering here. there's no sign he really wants to stick with the role of leading the country through this. as you were saying, he wants to out market it. you can't out market a virus. you can't out spend it. you can't bully it. it doesn't want an endorsement. it just wants to kill people and infect them. >> that is so true, nick. i think something else that is showing up in the polls is this incoherence. there's an inability, not just complete a sentence, but to complete a thought. here's a contrast with joe biden doing that, completing a sharp

thought and donald trump struggling to do the same. >> mr. president, open everything now isn't a strategy for success. it's barely a slogan. quit pushing the false choice between protecting our health and protecting our economy. >> so there's never been a time when two candidates were so different. here's one of the greatest -- this is without question the single biggest difference. if you want law and order -- i enacted recently what i saw was going on with federal monuments -- we don't have the right to do states although we're trying to find it. with the monuments where they wanted to rip down andrew jackson, george washington. they were heading over to the jefferson memorial if you can believe that. it's been going on and i found an act that we've used and we have many, many people in jail

right now. many, many people in jail. >> so, nick, i should say it was hard to find a way and place to cut any sound of trump from that press conference. that was the most cohesive message he delivered. he's looking for a way to, i think, influence or regulate or jail people in states that hurt monday monuments of andrew jackson. >> i don't know. >> i'm just saying, even if this is your thing, i'm sure it's not what's on your mind right now. you're worried about if you can go back to work. you don't know if school is going to be open. and you're worried about loved ones catching coronavirus. >> if president trump thinks he can win a campaign as a referendum on which candidates seems less senile, it's a place

where the biden campaign is willing to fight. it's not like these two candidates are the most articulate in the world. people don't care if vice president biden stutters once in a while. they care about the tragedy unfolding in their lives, their job, their health, their family. even if the president was going to run on the law and order campaign he wants to, he's not sticking with the script in an effective way. he's not acting like an order candidate. if you want stability, you want to go back to the way things used to be, donald trump is probably not your candidate. he's the insurgent guy. this election has sort of flipped the usual thing where the incumbent is running as the bomb thrower and the challenger is running as the incumbent i'll bring things back to normal guy. >> jen, nick just said one of the most astute things i've

heard. donald trump is a walking, talking contradiction of his own slogan. law, he's lawless, he just pardoned his buddy. he's the most disorganized communicator on the stage. >> that clip you used, i couldn't follow it. i don't get what argument he was trying to say. yeah, it's like disorderly and pretty lawless when you have a president that's operating as he is. it would be so easy for him to rein covid in. what we know about this guy -- i experienced this in '16. he's able to be disciplined. he's able to stick to a plan. why he would not do that now in the face of so much debt, in the

face of so much economic distress and his political standing continuing to fall, you know, i think -- maybe it will force him. maybe it's the political standing that forces him to take a different take on covid. i don't think firing or demotes brad parscale is the thing that does that. >> phil, jen makes a great point. i can hear the 2016 experience just ringing through in it. he's capable of discipline. why isn't he turning to that tool now? >> jen remembers the last month of the general election campaign throughout october and trump largely stuck to his script that steve bannon helped create for him. day in and day out he said his peace and didn't go off into a lot of tangents relatively speaking. he's just not doing that now.

he doesn't seem to have anybody around him in the white house who is trying to rein him in, trying to steer him and focus him. a lot of folks are trying to enable him, but they have wawan help him do what he wants to do. they changed the campaign manager. the campaign manager is really donald trump. i don't think that has to do with the infrastructure of the campaign or the strategy of the campaign, it's the president and his management of the pandemic and a way he has used his office to talk about the coronavirus or not to and also the way he's dealt with the race relations issue and the black lives matter protests. the polling, all the focus groups point to those issues as sinking his candidacy. >> jen, to phil's point he's

lost ground on all the crises that seem to have confronted the white house. the third is his relations with vladimir putin. the story broke that russia paid bounties to taliban fighters for murdering american soldiers. "washington post" at least three deaths might have been tied to that program. the president has said nothing. it's been written inside the cia we joke to putin win win means i beat you twice. good intention from the u.s. side has been proven futile.

>> yeah, yeah. i appreciate nicolle you keep bringing this up and bringing it back to russia and to the bounties because i think -- i mean, all americans probably feel this way. i come from a military family. i worked in the white house for a long time. you know how that is. it makes you feel physically ill to know that that intelligence is there and nothing was done, nothing was acted on and we continued to -- the congress doesn't do anything and the senate doesn't. you have -- there's just -- in terms of how the public is taking this all in, consider you have ads being run now where they see former military talking about the president not protecting american troops. there was a poll today that showed only 29% of americans are okay with the way trump is handling school re-openings.

that's parents of children and how they feel about their president trying to protect their children. you have former military talking about how he fails to protect american soldiers there fighting for us. i could feel that this would all start to crumble and yet we all know, and we all lived through, because he's so bad, the r resurrection of his political fortunes could come easily if he did some stuff around covid. i hope the american public would hold him accountable for this debacle of a response, but you know a lot of republicans want to come home to him and he could give them that reason to do so if he did something more, you know, based in science, methodical and responded to it.

>> nick, because we never have to look back to find fresh evidence of the hell that is russia's mischief, your newspaper today reports that russian hackers are trying to steal coronavirus vaccine research according to intelligence agencies. there's no way to dance around the fact that cause and effect, criminal conspiracy or not, russia is running rough shot over the west. this country's president has done nothing about it. >> look, if china or any other country in europe besides russia was doing to us what russia is trying to do to us, the president would be in a lather about how america is getting screwed and cheated and defeated and made to look like a fool. that's what his attitude would be. i think anyone who has covered him and covered any of the

russia scandal comes away with an unanswered question which is what explains his defense and his lack of response to these provocations and these attacks? no one really knows the answer, although there's a lot of suspicions and guesses. it's astounding to watch. >> phil, nick, two of the best reporters on the globe, jen, i hope donald trump wasn't watching and takes the advice you just offered. when we come back, making the best decisions they can. parents and school districts try to tune out the politics coming from the trump white house and make the safest decisions they can about back to school in the fall. more school districts opting for online school. governor cuomo said new york may do in-person school if the virus levels hold. also, governors going it

alo alone. some red state governors requiring mask wearing in their states. mary trump, donald trump's niece, sits down with rachel maddow. her revealing new interview makes clear that donald trump's relationship with the country fails like it's an abusive relationship and it's in line with how that family rolls. withs to help manage blood sugar levels. it provides 60% more protein than the leading diabetes nutrition shake. try boost glucose control.

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that. when he says open, kids being able to attend every day at their school. the science should not stand in the way of this. >> that was white house press secretary kayleigh mcenany. it's a comment that governor cuomo referenced. she said the science should not stand in the way. the science should not stand in the way of kids going back to school. one of the most offensive things to be uttered by the podium, even for this conversation. talking about children going back to school, the white house would have us ignore science and make sure it doesn't get in the way. we're not going to do that. in florida a state that reported a record number of daily hospitalizations and deaths, it's being reported nearly one

third of children tested for covid were tested positive. there are worries about long term damage from the disease. when it comes to schools, 62% of americans think it's unsafe to re-open schools in the fall. joining our conversation former baltimore health commission dr. lena wen and ron clain. there's a certain past staffer who gets ptsd when i hear her say science shouldn't get in the way. >> people are trying to defend her and say she was talking about studies. i don't care what the press secretary says. i care what the president is saying. the president is saying that every child should go back to school from day one fully.

that's a horrible direction. what the president should do is stand behind cdc guidelines to help schools make the decisions safely. some schools can re-open safely. others can't. that decision has to be made on a set of standards from the cdc. he should help the schools with things they need they can't afford. then he needs to shut up. him trying to bully the schools into making choices is making this more political, more divisive, more difficult. science, guidelines and help, that's what the white house should be doing. >> dr. wen, is there anyway to argue that the exact opposite isn't precisely what should drive our decisions about school openings? it should be only the science that determines whether when and

where kids go back to school. >> of course. i completely agree with you nicolle and with ron too. we know that there are no shortcuts. we know what it will take for us to re-open schools safely. the single most important thing we can be doing is to reduce the level of covid-19 infections in communities. you just can't re-open schools against a back drop of surging infections. how will you keep covid out of your schools if your community is aye wash in infection? we have 37 states seeing a rise in the number of infections. if you look at the white house's task force guidelines, they say school opening is in phase two which requires that cases are going down across 14 days in those areas. we need to be reducing those infections now. then we need to implement the

cdc guidelines because we have this road map and there are no shortcuts. we have to be investing the resources, giving the help to schools rather than shaming and threatening them. >> ron, i want to ask you about the role that vice president pence and kayleigh mcenany are taking in doing what you both reference, bullying schools, talking down the science, trying to discredit, undermine, weaken the public prestige and standing of tony fauci. it all has a clear goal. i mean, their conduct is reprehensible, but the goal is obvious. to lie about the pandemic to enough people that their supporters will insist that schools open ahead of what dr. wen just described. does that make you nervous, ron? >> it makes me terrified, nicolle. worse than nervous. the campaign we've seen from the white house to discredit

dr. fauci, the campaign to discredit science, the decision to divert hospital data away from the cdc, directly to the white house for its management, all these things are an effort to try to down play the disease. that's the strategy from day one. trump in january, february, it's going to go away. from the start they tried to say there's nothing to see here. there's nothing to worry about. now they're trying to link that to this question that needs to be managed about school re-opening. they're trying to bluster their way through it. the problem is people are seeing this pandemic in their communities. they're seeing this data in their local papers, online. they just can't be lied to. this is the obstacle the trump machine is running into, a reality they can't tweet away. >> dr. wen, they're reporting the number of positive

infections in children and it was accompanied by a warning that kids could suffer positive lung damage. what are we learning about some of the permanent impacts to our health from covid? >> we know that, even though this is a respiratory virus and seems to primarily affect the respiratory system, the damage is not just limited. i will say the damage to the respiratory system is significant. patients could end up with permanent fibrotic changes, permanent scarring to lungs. it affects other systems. it affects the heart, even the nervous system. there's this strange thing with clotting. patients may end up, young healthy people, could end up with debilitating strokes that make them unable to speak or walk again. it's not a benign illness. children tend to get much less severely ill than adults.

the point the health director was making is we don't know the long-term consequences. we're seeing this strange toxic shock like syndrome. we have no idea the long-term consequences. it's not something we should be down playing or, as president trump has been saying, 99% of the infections are harmless. that's not true. this is not the flu. we have to take this seriously. >> thank you both for spending time with us. after the break, the first of what could be many. the gop governor of maryland with razor sharp criticism of president trump's handling of the pandemic. will any other leaders break with president trump? that story next. you can't predict the future.

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a scathing op-ed in the "washington post" today titled fighting alone on the gop governor, why didn't trump help my state with coronavirus testing. governor larry hogan writes of his experience with trump. he says it was clear that waiting around for the president to run the nation's response was hopeless. if we delayed any longer, we would be condemning more of our citizens to suffering an death. every governor went their own way.

i did the best i could for maryland. governor hogan expressing what many fellow state leaders have felt, the need to take the lives of their constituents into their own hands as the federal governor refuses to step up. we're seeing this with the growing number of statewide mask mandates being issued. yesterday a shocking move from georgia's governor brian kemp who signed an executive order that some -- while extending virus restrictions banned cities in his state from enacting their own mask mandates. joining us now a "new york times" best selling author eddie

glod and also in his time a "new york times" best seller, but eddie is on the list this week. congratulations. >> thank you, nicolle. appreciate you. >> let me start with you, eddie, on the incredible state of affairs. republican governor larry hogan writing about what new york governor andrew cuomo and i talked about that states have had to go it alone. you now have states like new york trying to purge resources to houston and atlanta and pass along lessons learned. now you have this dangerous cyclical nature of the hot spots and governor cuomo said you don't know when one or two people could infect people in

new york. >> absolutely. it's a combination of mind numbing and deadly incompetence. on the one hand you have governor hogan and governor dewine and then you have governor desantis and governor kemp. because there's no national response you get this unevenness and people are dying. what i mean is, in some ways this is about federal government. it's about the federal government being big and bad. it imposes on our liberties. there's a federal responsibility to the states. we've seen that argument play out over the last 40 to 50 years. this is a contaaricature of tha argument. devolving the responsibility to states is not just patch work, it's catch is, catch can.

you have over 130,000 americans who have lost their lives. what we're seeing is mind numbing incompetence and the bankruptcy of a particular ideological position. >> i'm coming back to the conversation you and david jolly had this week, it's also freakin' stupid. t kemp is going to kill people. there's a new model out saying 40,000 lives could have been saved by mask wearing. what is wrong with them? >> what is wrong with them, nicolle? good question. we're picking up that conversation from where we were the other day. first, i'll say over the course of this pandemic, probably i've had a conversation with a dozen, maybe a dozen, of the governors

of the 50 united states. that's a reasonable sample. i've talked to republicans and democrats. all of them across the board have been exasperated by their relationship with the federal government throughout this. that's a bipartisan opinion. the sense of being abandoned except when trump wanted to score political points. people may have forgotten this. he said he was going to shut down the bridges in new york city to cut off the traffic. these occasional psporadic spass about saying forget about federali federalism. whether you're a state that closed early like california, or a state that closed late, you had no leadership from the

president. with interstate travel, it left every governor trying to figure out how to do this on their own, which is not the way we should have done this. there was no planning textbook saying that's the way to handle a national pandemic. i point to governor kemp, did e desantis, they made the dumbest mistake you could make in politics, follow donald trump. taking their cues from a president who wasn't invested in the health of their citizens and didn't understand what the political implications of having those states -- you look back in april when it was a blue state

phenomenon, we could all see this is going to get to the red states. pretending like it's not is going to kill you politically down the line. you didn't have to sbe a genius to see what was coming. those governors listened to trump, followed trump, assumed trump knew better about the politics, if not the public safety, it turned out like everything else -- everything trump touches dies. now all of them are witnessing actual deaths in their states and watching their political prospects wither. >> i just have to say, doing so after he suggested injected bleach into the lungs for a cleaning does definitely take crow to that level of idiot si.

please stay put both of you. after the break mary trump is spilling the beans about her uncle and his inability to lead his country. that's next. that's next.

book gave an up close account of the trump family ddynamics. trump's niece says we've already

witnessed a larger scale version. mary trump said a similar dynamic is playing out on the national stage with trump possessing an instinct for finding people weaker than he is, while being usable by people who are stronger and savvier than he is and ready to exploit him. eddie, it is so -- i don't know if rewarding or confirming is the right word. to hear her with her experience and her life experience sort of classify in a clinical way the relationship with all the subservient people who work for him, we ask why do they stay and then to see trump just run by vladimir putin and people are able to play to his shame about being stupid or whatever it is

that let's vladimir putin have his way with him. >> you know, nicolle, this is the latest confirmation of what we know. donald trump is who he is. i've been struggling with the mary trump book. i'll say this -- this is the reason i've been struggling with it. it confirms that we're in "as the world turns" or "all my children." the strange niece gives us insight into the family. it really reveals how the seriousness of the oval office, how the seriousness of our politics have been diminished. we find ourselves in a soap opera with predictable characters. we know what the end is going to be in some ways. i appreciate the insider insight we're getting, but for me it confirms a deep sadness about the state of the country. look where we are. we are all in some ways spectators to a very bad soap

opera about a very bad guy. >> you know, i take eddie's point. i'll take it one step further. what are we waiting for? i think the look back will not reflect well on a media that was in a lot of ways too timid in its coverage of trump. we covered the rose garden and said, well, it was meandering, but maybe that's the new approach. it's so obvious what mary trump details which is a psychologically damaged person who is screwed up from his childhood and carrying out that baggage on the entire country. >> sure. nicolle, i'm not a giant fan of media criticism. our collectinagues do what they do. have we been too timid in talking about donald trump's

pathologies? >> i'm only criticizing myself. i'm not criticizing anybody else in the media. i feel like we're all very blunt, but -- go. >> yeah. look, i think that all of us are trapped a little bit. he's the president of the united states. so we still -- we can't break out of our sense that we have some sense of respect for the office or some sense of defense to the office. in my memory of our three and a half years talking about donald trump i'm not going to -- i don't think we've held back too much. sometimes we've been pretty off the chain. i think we didn't hold back the other day after the thing in the rose garden. to eddie's point you can analyze this as a me low drama or a soap opera. you can analyze it as shakespeare. a lot of what mary trump reveals

in the book, like every insider account, is a deeply dysfunctional family and a deeply damaged psyche. it tracks. you get a his father can trace can genetics of it and the environment that he was raised in. you read this account and it tracks with what we see. and i would just crdraw it into the realm of politics. one thing i think we would agree about is we've lived through essentially three incumbent presidents that we've known in our adult lifetimes, barack obama, your boss, george w. bush, and bill clinton, all three of whom got re-elected and they all were -- none of those men were perfect men. but part of the reason they got re-elected and part of the reason why they built a team around them that got them there was because they had some kind of confidence and some kind of ability to build a structure around them in which there was trust, in which people could speak honestly to them, in which they could hear the hard truths

told to them, that would tell them to course correct when they needed to course correct. they had discretion -- they built teams that were based on values and that were based on at least the ability to speak truth within the inner circle. and i think what we're seeing right now in the purely political realm, it's the failings of the trump campaign are not the campaign's fault, they are always the fault of the candidate, first and foremost. when you see that dysfunction that's now playing out in a very vivid way on the trump re-election team, you can hear the echoings of what mary trump has written, and it's not just plague out in the white house or in the president's head, but you're seeing it in the thing that is supposed to help him keep his job. and that thing is now breaking down in a way that mimics all of the kind of family dynamics that she lays out in the book. and i find that, i don't know, maybe i'm too cheap and too tawdry, but i find it interesting to see how it's playing out. >> if you're tawdry, i'm tawdry right there with you. eddie glaude, john heilemann, thank you both so much, my dear friends. it's wonderful to talk to you. we will all -- i'll speak

for all three of us -- be watching our friend rachel maddow tonight with her special guest, mary trump. after the break, another celebration of lives well lived. .

lavella jackson was born in the jim crow south. she married early, worked the fields as a sharecropper and had her first child all by the age of 15. in fact, two days after lavella gave birth, the farmer she worked for demanded she get back to the fields.

so she and her family left and joined the historic great migration. they ended up in washington, d.c., a city she'd call her home right up until she died of the coronavirus a few weeks ago. according to the "washington post," lavella held a number of jobs over the years. one of them was driving a school bus. she was one of the first women to hold that job in the city's history. she loved her church, her garden, and sam cook. she liked to laugh and her banana pudding was legendary. we'll remember as she was this past christmas, dancing and singing with her grandchildren until 5:00 in the morning. we also want to celebrate the life of joshua obra. he was a miracle baby, born premature, but he fought and he made it. when he turned 7, he asked his parents for a sister, so along came jasmine. from then on, where joshua went, so did she. he ran a popular disney influencer account on instagram. she helped. he became a nurse, so did she. and when the pandemic hit, they

both tested positive. jasmine made it. joshua did not. he was 29 years old. the last thing they said to each other was in the emergency room. i love you, they said, and that was the end. jasmine told abc 7 in l.a. that she'll follow in her brother's footsteps with a career in medicine, remembering what he taught her. that, quote, what often looks like magic is a result of someone's hard work and courage. nurses across america, that one was for you. thank you for watching and letting us into your homes during these extraordinary times. our coverage continues with chuck todd after a quick break.

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