good afternoon, i'm chuck todd, and we have major developing stories right now. the cdc is pushing back the release of additional documents on school safety despite where we are on the calendar and how close schools are to trying to reopen. we will have a report from the white house. this as more than 77,000 cases of covid-19 were reported in the united states yesterday. we're inching ever closer to that dr. fauci fear of 100,000 cases a day because that 77,000 total, it's the highest one-day total we've ever recorded. if you remember, last week we recorded one as well. it is a record that we are all but certain to break again. a record number of fatalities were also reported in texas, south carolina, and florida overnight, and the national three-day ach thre

three-day average is the highest it's been since early last month. and last night dr. anthony fauci issued a warning to states about taking the proper response to this new surge. >> the resurgence, which then came back up to 30, 40, 50, and 60, so because of that, what i think we need to do -- and my colleagues agree -- is that we really got to almost regroup, call a time-out, not necessarily lockdown again, but say we've got to do this in a more measured way. >> joining me now is my co-anchor for the next two hours, katy turren. what dr. fauci just said to mark zuckerberg is what dr. oster home said to us last week and what other epidemiologists have been saying, we've got to do this again. >> exactly. they warned of this if we didn't do it properly the first time, so we saw this coming. chuck there's also news out of the supreme court. supreme court justice ruth bader

ginsburg confirmed in a statement today she's being treated for a recurrence of cancer with lesions on her liver. she's been receiving chemotherapy since may and says she's capable of continuing to do her job. we've got a report on that in just a minute. vice president pence just began speaking in the battleground state of wisconsin. his delivering remarks at rippon college on the dangers of socialism, he's traveling to pennsylvania, louisiana, and florida while president trump has largely been staying behind and using the bully pulpit of the white house to hold de facto campaign appearances. he turned a south lawn event on deregulation into something of a stump speech yesterday touting his administration's accomplishments and attacking joe biden and what he calls the radical left. and chuck, this is something that i've heard from the campaign on backgrounds, that

they'd love to be doing these bigger events in a lot of these battleground states but they're admitting they can't hold these big rallies. especially in states that have democratic governors. they're not able to work around those governor's guidelines for social distancing and having events inside. >> i don't think it's going to just be democratic governors that are going to make it difficult. i think they're already seeing, for instance, this florida putting on a convention with a republican governor now and a republican mayor of that city is turning to be difficult. what's interesting about mike pence's speech is, look, it's pretty clear what they're up to. it's not rocket science here. they're trying to create a choice selection, all incumbents try to do that. you don't want it to be a referendum. they're right now stuck in referendum mode which is why the president's down digits. what's interesting about this speech is i feel like this is a bank shot attack on joe biden. what they're basically arguing, mike pence is even saying in his speech, i thought joe biden won

the primary but it looks like bernie sanders essentially won because it's the biden sanders ticket here and the sanders plan on this and sanders plan on that. they want to run against socialism, katie, and even though biden isn't one of these democratic socialists, they're trying to figure out how to do it. it's a bank shot in a normal election year. it's even harder in a pandemic. let's move on, the cdc has just confirmed to nbc news that additional documents related to its school reopening plans have been delayed and will not be released -- it will not be released this week, and this issue, of course, is something that the white house has been upset about for some time, and it looks like they got the delay in these plans. let's bring in kelly o'donnell here. kelly, what kind of -- what kind of influence do we think the white house had in this new delay by the cdc? >> well, we are told today by white house officials, so a

separate kind of line of communication than the cdc, the agency itself, saying that these new guidelines, which were promised by the vice president will come next week and will be along with some coordinated activities from the white house messaging about how to do school safely in the new year knowing that there are different circumstances state by state, hot spot by hot spot, but what has been very clear is the president wants schools, as many of them as possible to be reopened with in-person instruction for students. we learned today from officials here, and then the cdc also said it was not planning to have that new information, which would be additional guidance for school systems to be able to look at how could they reopen, things like outdoor instruction would be one element, the spacing used inside class rooms, a variety of different things. part of what the administration has been saying is they don't want federal guidelines to be a hindrance to local communities that may find their own answers

for how to do school safely. now, that doesn't take into account parents and families' decisions and what they may or may not want to do about sending kids back to school, and this is obviously a very hot issue. so instead of releasing this at the end of this week, we're told to expect it next week, and then added with some coordinated events which will make it a bigger deal. make no mistake, the white house wants kids in school. there are a lot of parents who have concerns about that, and a lot of communities that have concerns about it as well. chuck. >> yeah, kelly o'donnell at the white house for us. kelly, thanks. and katie, i have a feeling funding the reopening of schools is going to largely be what congress starts talking about a lot next week. >> schools say they need the money. they need the money to make it safe for kids. if you want to send them back, just give them the money. if it's a problem that can be solved with money, do it. chuck, the feud between atlanta's mayor and georgia's governor is getting more heated.

governor brian kemp announced he is suing mayor keisha lance bottoms to block the city from enforcing its facemask mandate. earlier this week, kemp issued an order preventing local officials from enforcing their own rules to prevent the spread of coronavirus. mayor bottoms joined the "today" show earlier to respond to the lawsuit. >> at the end of the day, this is about saving lives. over 3,100 people have died in our state, 106,000 have tested positive. myself, my husband, and one of my children are amongst the positive. i'm in quarantine as we speak. so i take this very seriously, and i will continue to do everything in my power to protect the people of atlanta and the governor has simply overstepped his bounds and his authority, and we'll see him in court. >> joining us now from atlanta

is nbc news correspondent blayne alexand alexander. the governor is strongly suggesting the use of masks, the mayor wants to mandate masks. why does the governor want to leave wiggle room on masks? why does he not want to just mandate it, if he is already strongly suggesting it? >> reporter: you know what, i asked him that very question earlier this morning, katie in a news conference right behind me at the state capitol. for him it really comes down to encouragement versus enforcement, so he's basically saying what he's said all along is that he doesn't believe that georgians in his words need a mandate to do the right thing. so i asked him, you know, when you look around atlanta, when you kind of go from place to place around the state, just anecdotally, it is a grab bag. there are some people who do wear masks when they're out in public, but there are others who choose not to do so. i asked him, you know, at what point would you make that change. if you look around one week from now, two weeks from now and see that even after strongly encouraging people as he did again today to put on a mask, if you see that the majority of people aren't doing so, at what point are you going to change

from encouraging them to actually requiring them to do so? and his response to me in part was essentially saying that there are some mandates that are already not being enforced so he says what message does that send? it sends the message that a mandate doesn't mean too much. another thing that he said was that he believes it's not up to the government completely to solve the problems. it's people's personal responsibility, so will it be up to the citizens of georgia. so in the midst of all of this that's going on, keep in mind that the covid numbers are going up here in georgia. hospitalizations are up 39% over the past week, and the fact that, you know, when it comes to a seven-day trend, we're seeing the numbers triple now what they were back in april. clearly what's happening now, what's being done now to slow the spread is not working. now we just have this legal battle that's going forward between the governor and the mayor, katie. >> a nightmare for public health -- some public health officials and some public health experts who say that the worst thing that you can do is confuse

the public. nbc's blayne alexander, thank you very much, and chuck, i believe you have more on that breaking news. we do on what we've learned about justice ginsburg, now to that breaking news out of washington. justice ginsburg and her ongoing battle with cancer. let's bring in pete williams. pete, i feel like collectively you're as well informed about ruth bader ginsburg's health as anybody in the country. we know a lot about her ailments. how serious is this one? she seems to beat everything. >> yes, that's certainly her record, but i mean, she's 87 years old. anytime this happens, it's a cause for concern. her statement is quite careful. she says she's being treated for a recurrence of cancer and then says that a scan and a biopsy in february revealed legions on her liver, and it also discloses the kind of drug that she is getting now in chemotherapy. she says -- and let me come back to that in just a moment.

she's getting biweekly chemotherapy treatments that she is responding well to them, that she is able to continue her work, and i think key to anybody concerned about her is this sentence that she ends her statement with, i've often said i would remain a member of the court as long as i can do the job full steam. i remain fully able to do that. now, she's careful in this statement not to call this liver cancer. she says these are lesions on her liver and remember that she has twice before been treated for pancreatic cancer. she had surgery for it 11 years ago, and then last summer she had radiation treatment for a tumor on her pancreas. she said in this past january that she was cancer free, but based on the kind of drug that's being used, it's possible, i think it's possible to speculate that what's happened here is a spread of cancer from the pancreas to the liver. but in any event, she says she's

responding well to the treatment, that at first immuno therapy was not successful but she's getting the chemo know and she had a recent scan july 7th, and it revealed significant reduction of the liver lesions and no new disease. so i think the overall tone of her statement is optimistic. >> that's what i took away, cautiously optimistic. pete williams, stick around, because we want to talk to you about the next story. we're going across the country to oregon, but we want to get your reporting after, so katie, first over to you. >> this is a new story out of oregon public broadcasting that federal law enforcement is using unmarked vehicles to drive around downtown portland and detain protesters. nbc news has not yet confirmed the extent of opb's reporting. a customs and border patrol spokesperson told nbc news in part, quote, u.s. border patrol agents have been deployed to

portland in direct support of the presidential executive order and the newly established dhs protecting american communities task force. as a law enforcement component under dhs, cbp will be providing support as needed at the request of the federal protective service to protect federal facilities and property, carefully worded statement there. meanwhile, nightly protests have taken place in the city for a month and a half. on thursday, department of homeland security secretary chad wolf visited the city, after condemning the protesters, quote, rampant long-lasting violence. joining us now is a reporter who's been on the ground in portland, garrison davis. he captured this video where you can see at least one instance of unmarked vehicles pulling into a building being protected by federal law enforcement this week. again, nbc news has not yet confirmed the extent of opb's reporting on this matter. let's go to garrison. garrison, what can you tell us

about what you've seen down there in portland? >> well, we've been seeing a growing federal presence ever since around july 4th, and specifically on july 11th and then on july 14th, the 14th was when we were getting reports of unmarked vehicles driving around, people getting grabbed by officers and put into the vehicles. at one point i saw a vehicle pull up to one of the parks where the protesting was happening and about five officers charged out. it looked like they were trying to charge after a specific person. they were unable to get this person so they got back in their vehicle and drove away very quickly. but yeah, the federal presence has been quite substantial the past week or so using a lot of tear gas, control control, trying to mainly protect the federal courthouse. >> garrison, what are these, i

guess, officers saying to the person they detain as they're being detained? are they telling them why they're being detained? did they tell them where they're going? are they reading them their rights on scene? what else is happening? >> according to the opb, and the stuff that i have personally seen and other videos and stuff, the officers remain completely silent. they refuse to identify themselves when asked, some of them don't appear to be having very many identifying patches for what type of law enforcement they actually are and, yeah, they're not -- they are not identifying themselves very clearly whatsoever in any kind of conversations, just on the street, and especially if they're ever trying to like arrest someone and take them into a vehicle. >> so can you confidently say that oall of the people that ar doing this are attached to law enforcement? is it possible that there are

some rogue actors also doing this as well, or is this -- from what you've seen -- attached to a law enforcement arm, i guess a federal law enforcement arm because it seems like the local authorities are not taking ownership of this. >> yeah, it's definitely not the local people, but from the type of gear i've seen these people in, it matches very -- it matches very closely to the type of border control people we've seen, and because we've seen these unmarked vehicles pulling into federal buildings, i'm personally confident that these are definitely associated with the federal government because they've been pulling in. just the type of gear they have is very professional. they are fully decked out with all of the kind of stuff. i'm not thinking it's any type of like rogue militia or anything like that, or at least i would wanted to see a lot more evidence supporting that before i would make such a claim. >> garrison davis, garrison, thank you for being our eyes on

the ground out there. we appreciate all of your time. >> yeah, thank you. >> and chuck, over to you. well, pete williams, as promised i'm coming back to you. i know you've spent the morning here trying to find out more. what is dhs up to? chad wolf, the acting dhs secretary was in portland yesterday, but what more can you tell us about what you've learned? >> well, what we're being told by homeland, i think you may have read a little of this statement earlier. based on the president's executive order and this task force that the homeland security secretary then formed, these additional federal officials are in portland and some other cities, mainly to protect federal facilities. now, the question here of course is what about the video we've seen of offices walking down the street firing tear gas, what about the reports that they've made arrests of people who are on the street? what you can't tell in some of these videos is where they are

in relation to federal facilities, buts in terms of -- the obvious question about the people that are arrested off the street is what's the probable cause, and we just haven't gotten a good answer to that question yet. they're aware of these questions. obviously the presence of the federal authorities in portland has been one that's been very controversial. the authorities there, the local authorities have said they don't want them, but the federal officials say they're there to protect federal facilities. of course that's what they do every day. they certainly have the authority to surge the force it may take to do that. it's these other things that have raised questions and we're still waiting for some answers, mainly on what the probable cause is for these arrests of people put in vehicles on the street. >> pete, do we know how many other cities where they've done this surging? are they being transparent about that? or is that something where basically only if we can ask do they tell us? >> i suspect it's in a lot of cities. i just don't know for a fact,

but it hasn't been controversial. i mean, remember, there are federal authorities in every federal building in america, so sometimes they're contract. sometimes they're marshal service. sometimes they're federal protective service. marshal service part of the justice department, federal protective service part of the department of homeland security, which is what cdp. we've been told repeatedly by federal law enforcement officials that the pictures of these people that you've been looking at on the video are not marshal service. >> but they are not saying they're not related to the federal government. they're just saying it's not the marshal service. >> there's no question about that, and it's likely cbp, customs and border protection. >> got you. pete williams, our chief justice correspondent, pete, thank you, and katie, back to you. and coming up next, there are growing demands for the release of a 15-year-old black girl sent to juvenile lockup because she didn't do her online homework.

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in michigan a community is demanding the release of a 15-year-old student who was sent back to juvenile detention for violating her probation by not completing her online homework. protesters are calling it racial discrimination, and now oakland county executive david coulter wants a review of the case. coulter says that homework was not the only condition of probation for the teen and that there were other factors involved. shawn lay of our affiliate wdiv in michigan has the story. >> reporter: speaking up for a groves high school student named grace who can't be heard. >> i know if grace was a 15-year-old white girl that she would not be sitting in juvenile detention right now. >> sherry crowley has teen

daughters. >> when i heard her story, those are my girls story. >> her heart sank when she heard grace was in the juvenile system for fighting and stealing and then she broke down when she heard that oakland county family court presiding judge mary ellen brennon sent grace to juvenile detention for violating her probation by not doing her online school work. >> i dropped to my knees and my daughters had to -- they woke up hearing me cry. >> reporter: the judge's decision causing a firestorm of controversy, protesters gathering at groves, then caravanning to the court complex. >> governor whitmer issued an executive order that specifically talked about not incarcerating children during this global pandemic, and this situation does exactly the opposite of that. >> reporter: oakland county prosecutor jessica cooper telling us the prosecutor involves a family court judge's decision on a case she took jurisdiction on a while ago. only she can change or modify the order. oakland county executive david coulter is calling for grace's case to be reviewed immediately and has this message for grace.

>> you're a 15-year-old girl. you're a young girl with your whole life ahead of you, and i want to make sure that you have every opportunity to succeed and it's my responsibility and the county's opportunity to make sure that we're giving you the appropriate support and resources so that you can be successful in your life, and that's all any of us want. >> and the county executive david coulter tells wdiv that the case is not up for review until september, which he says is simply not good enough. however, coulter says the judge tells him she is open to reviewing the case. wdiv has not heard back yet from the judge. chuck. thank you. back in may one forecast predicted florida would reach 4,000 coronavirus deaths by august. the governor's office called that alarmist, and the models were wrong, and they were right. they underestimated the numbers.

more on that in a minute. in a matter of weeks, massachusetts will hold a big-time senate primary pitting incumbent ed markey against challenger joe kennedy iii. ed markey joins us next on the fight for his political life.

well, believe it or not, we were still counting in the new york primary. the associated press just called a big upset in that democratic primary from a few weeks ago that we've been following. jamal bowman, the progressive democrat from new york defeated the chairman of the house foreign affairs committee in a primary, 16-term incumbent elliott i thi elliott engel. bowman had stepped down as a middle school principal in the bronx to take on engel who's been a congressman since 1989. bowman had received endorsements from senators bernie sanders and elizabeth warren. eliot engel at the end, a who's who of the democratic establishment jumped in and tried to support him including hillary clinton and some other prominent new yorkers. it was not enough. i think the headline out of new york is not that upset. it's that it is three weeks plus, and we are still counting

votes. that scarce es me when i think about november. >> yes, exactly. we might be in for a long wait before we find out results. that is if it's not a landslide one way or another. let's go to another democratic primary, senator ed markey of massachusetts is being challenged by congressman joe kennedy iii, grandson of bobby kennedy and grand nephew of jfk. senator ed markey, democrat from massachusetts, his opponent joins us now. senator, always good to see you. so your opponent here is making this a generational case. he's saying that the senate needs new leadership, new blood. you've been around since the '70s. when somebody comes to you and says i like that argument, i like the idea of having somebody new in office, what do you say to them? >> well, i say that i am the leader on the climate crisis. i am the leader on net

neutrality. i am the leader on gun safety legislation. i am the leader on the issues of this generation. you know, when this race started, congresswoman alexan r alexander -- alexandria ocasio-cortez said ed markey is the generational change that america needs, so it's not your age. it's the age of your ideas that are important, and that's why alexandria ocasio-cortez has endor endorsed me. that's why elizabeth warren has endorsed me because it's the issues that are the most important, and on the issues of this time, i am and have been the leader in driving this conversation in our nation and moving towards actually putting on the books the kinds of laws we need to make this country

more prosperous, healthier, safer for everyone. >> the big upset stories that we've talked about recently have been challengers from the progressive left, we just mentioned jamal bowman. why do you believe if you are on the progressive left, why do you believe that you're facing a challenge from somebody who's not? what do you make of the primary that you're facing? and there's not a lot of polling out there, but the polling that does exist shows you down to him. >> well, no, the recent polling says it is a dead heat. that's where we are. although i did outrace my opponent in the last quarter. i have more cash on hand than my opponent. planned parenthood has endorsed me, nrdc, all across the board, daily coasts endorsed me this week. the progressive left is supporting me in this race because i have stood up and

fought for the issues that they care the most about. so all i can really do is to run as a marquee from mauldin. my father drove a truck. i had to work my way through college and law school living at home with my parents. i had two younger brothers. we didn't have anything other than this incredible vision that our parents had for what was possible for us, and that's what i believe. i believe that's what i have done with my career is just to make sure that there's a democratization of access to opportunity for every child in our country. and by the way, i was white, i know that black and brown and young people in our country have far greater obstacles than i ever had. that's kind of the core of my candidacy. i'm running as a marquee from mauldin. >> you're making it crystal clear how you want to have people view the kennedy name and the kennedy mystique. let me ask you this, i know you

were a ted kennedy fan. i know -- my guess is you would call yourself back in the day a kennedy democrat. how powerful is that brand, and is -- do you feel as if you're being unfairly penalized because of that brand? >> well, look, you know, people are rallying to my side. i have the vast overwhelming number of mayors have endorsed me, state representatives, state senators, mayor marty walsh in boston, they have all rallied to my side because i have done the job. i have led and delivered for massachusetts and for the country. i have more than 500 laws that are on the books because i was able to navigate through the process, and so for me, this whole campaign is going to be determined by records, and whether or not we've led, whether or not we have delivered from massachusetts, and i have done that job and people are rallying to my side. i just left fall river where all

of these public officials just stood by my side. i'm trachliveling around the st today, and the response is overwhelmingly positive. >> well, senator ed markey, it's not easy campaigning in the midst of a pandemic. i know massachusetts is in a better place than many of the states in the sun belt, so stay safe out there while you do it. i imagine the bus tour is a lot different than it has been. >> yeah, i will say this. massachusetts just reported a 17% unemployment record so from a health care perspective, yes, we're minimizing the harm from the health care perspective, but there is an economic cost, and people are suffering, and i know they're at their kitchen tables trying to figure out how to pay their bills, and it's absolutely imperative that we remember that as we have these battles on the floor of the senate over the next two weeks. and i'm going to go down and battle for them to make sure they get the help they need for their families. they did not cause these problems. trump has been criminally negligent and a racist simultaneously and a science

denier and i'm going to be down there on the floor fighting for them every single day. >> senator ed markey, senator from massachusetts, it's going to be a fascinating primary that a lot of us are following. thanks for coming on and sharing your perspective. we also, by the way, have invited senator marqueekey's opponent, and we plan to have him on soon as well. chuck, a federal judge has delayed the deadline for the release of migrant children held by i.c.e. what does it mean for the possibility of more family separations. the man who wrote the book on it, nbc's jacob soeb rof will join us. and governor ron desantis facing mounting pressure to mandate masks and re-close businesses. that is next. h all the $9.95 no? i thought you'd never ask.

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them. india surpassed 1 million covid cases with 12,000 deaths to go along with it. the country ranks third in the world in total infections and daily new cases behind only the united states and brazil. in this country, arkansas and colorado join the growing list of states to require face coverings in public. colorado's mask mandate went into effect today while arkansas's begins on monday. the home depot just announced it will require shoppers to wear face masks in stores starting july 22nd. the number of major businesses calling for mask mandates is outstripping the number of u.s. states for what it's worth. a new study conducted by the university of minnesota suggests hydrox chloroquine does not reduce the severity of mild covid symptoms. scientists gave nonhospitalized adults with confirmed or probable infections, either the drug or the placebo. they found no difference between the groups of patients after two weeks. and chuck, we've got brand new numbers out of florida as

well. the state reported more than 11,000 new cases and 128 deaths from the coronavirus. nearly 5,000 people have now died in that state. back in may, projections from the university of washington estimated florida would reach 4,000 deaths by august. when the orlando sentinel reported those numbers, a spokeswoman for governor ron desantis called it alarmist and based on models that were wrong, and now we know the model was wrong. it was just that it was under estimating the number of deaths. 5,000 deaths and we are in july. joining us now is pulmonologist global health policy expert, and msnbc medical contribute, dr. vin gup ta with the university of washington medical center. these numbers keep rising. the death toll does seem to be a lagging indicator with the number of cases we're seeing, but i want to know what -- since we're so far into this now, well, a few months into it at least, doctors have had a chance to understand what's working and

what's not working. where are we today that we weren't -- we weren't -- where we weren't back in march in our understanding of this disease and how to treat it? >> you bet, katy, i can say from my perspective in the icu, i'm going back on service in just two days. what i'll say is i know how -- and my colleagues know how to potentially increase the chances of survival for somebody that's on a ventilator in an icu better now than we did in march. we know that we should put somebody on their belly, not on their beck if they're on a ventilator because that looks like that's actually helpful. we know that we need to give them a blood thinner because a lot of these patients, very puzzling puzzlingly, we don't understand why but they develop blood clots on all types of organs. we give them steroids. we even think that maybe remdesivir, we've talked a lot about this, might be helping getting them out of the icu more qui quickly. that's one of the reasons why if you find yourself in an icu with

covid-19, we have better tricks up our sleeves and we're a little more confident in what we're doing. >> does that mean that you can reduce the number of deaths from this, or are you working with patients that were going to get better but just might have taken longer or might have ended up having more severe effects of it but still surviving. >> in a situation where we're testing tracing and that positive infection rate is 3% or less, yeah, absolutely. i think we could probably actually help to save more american lives. in a situation like florida that you just highlighted, absolutely not. there's nothing you can do on the margins there when broader policy is misguided. in florida we don't have enough icu beds, there's not enough icu nurses, frankly, even if there are enough beds to care for the patients with end stage renal disease chr disease, which is a common complication. this false narrative about death rates declining, all the cases is because of increased testing, that's such a false narrative.

since the beginning of june deaths have increased 200%. one in five individuals who get tested in florida turn out positive. everything is correlated. in texas a 300% rise in deaths since june 1. we have a positive testing rate of about 16%. it's alarming the correlation here. so we need to get rid of this false narrative that the president keeps wanting to put out there. >> dr. gupta, i'm curious, you're in the northwest. i would argue that california, oregon, and washington for the most part, those public health officials listen more to their scientists than their political -- than their political donors, right? bu but we're seeing an outbreak on the west, a surge in the west, not nearly -- maybe not quite as bad right now as the sun belt, but it's not that far off from the sunbelt, what should we make of this? right? here we have one set of states doing, you know, doing some public -- major public health measures. one set of states not, and yet

we're still seeing surges. >> it's such an important question. the fact of the matter is even though governor inslee, governor brown are highlighting public health officials, it doesn't mean people are cooperating with mask mandates. if you look at a graph of the "new york times" today, enforcement, actually, cooperation with masking in california is very -- is variable. it depends on the zip code. some people are wearing it. some people are not. in washington state we have a massive outbreak happening in the center of the state, in yakima. the patients i'm caring for are getting life flighted to seattle. one in three surveyed of folks are actually wearing a mask. so this is about enforcement, this is about strong leadership. this is about americans doing what we're asking them to do. this is why we need to talk about enforcement, not just what we need to do in terms of legislation. >> got you. and dr. vin gupta, thank you

very much. appreciate all of your time, chuck, over to you. and i do have more questions for dr. gupta, but the good news is i will be able to ask them in a couple of hours. a federal judge extended the deadline for the release of migrant children. does this development mean we are more likely to see what some experts have called family separation 2.0. and a new update in the ahmaud arbery case from georgia. you're watching msnbc. and we always will. ♪ ♪ for people. ♪ ♪ for the future. ♪ ♪ and there has never been a summer when it's mattered more. wherever you go, summer safely. get zero percent apr financing for up to five years on select models and exclusive lease offers.

shooting death of ahmaud arbery appeared remotely in court today. travis mcmichael, his father gregory, and william roddy were indicted by a grand jury last month on nine charges stemming from the february shooting. all three men pled not guilty. the judge conceded it was unclear when a date would be set for the trial. katy, in this pandemic, when you think about things like this, that is, you know, the old saying, justice delayed is justice denied. we're stuck in this delay for a reason, but that's a tough delay to have to sell. >> absolutely. and the entire judicial system is backed up, and we're seeing it on extreme cases like this, all the way down to the more run-of-the-mill stuff. also, a federal judge has extended the deadline for releasing migrant children in i.c.e. detention centers. it was supposed to be today, but

the deadline is now set for july 27th. the question of whether this means the children will be separated from their parents, though, still remains unanswered. joining us now is msnbc correspondent jacob soboroff, who has been tracking the administration's immigration policy and its fallout from the beginning. his new book "separated, inside an american tragedy" is now officially a "new york times" best seller. you brought this story of these separations back into the headlines. you have written the book on it. what are we seeing today and what's it going to mean? >> well, katy, about 100 children and 300 or so family members are still at risk of separation because of this delay by the judge out here in southern california. i want to be really clear. the lawyers who represent these children and their families in their immigration proceedings are not in favor of this extension at all. in fact, they say because coronavirus is running rampant, because the immigration system just as you and chuck were talking about, has sort of ground to a halt because of the

coronavirus, it is imperative to get these children out of i.c.e. detention. i.c.e. has the discretion to do that. the trump administration could let them all out together if they wanted, but they're not doing that and their lawyers and activists and others are saying one potential consequence of this could be family separation. now we have to wait another ten days to find that out. >> so jacob, we're going to find out on july 27th. if it does mean that the kids are going to get separated from their parents, do the parents have any recourse? >> that's a great question, katy. the answer is not necessarily because if these parents are ultimately locked up and detained indefinitely inside adult i.c.e. detention and the children are sent to the office of refugee resettlement or sent to live with a sponsor or family member inside the united states, they have to wait out their immigration court proceeding. to your exact point, because the system is slowed down so much,

we don't know when actually that will be. the alternate options would be to be deported with their children or detained indefinitely with their children inside these dangerous i.c.e. detention centers. right now, none of these options are palatable to any of the immigrants who are waiting for their asylum claims to be adjudicated. that is why this july 27th deadline is now so critical, and again, i want to restate, the trump administration could let these children and families out together right now as we have seen with so many prisons across the country. katy. >> jacob soboroff, thank you for bringing this to our attention once again. chuck, back over to you. well, in our next hour, america is facing a crisis in the coronavirus testing area. we're going to get a ground level report on what's being done about it. it's a result lag that is really making this difficult. >> and then we're going to go to florida where the positivity rate for children is raising new alarms. you're watching msnbc. (man) $9.95?

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2:00 p.m. in the east. i'm chuck todd. we're watching the state of florida for an announcement from governor ron desantis. he's beginning to brief right now. this as miami mayor francis suarez, the city of miami mayor, that is, says he's meeting with business leaders before he decides on whether to institute another lockdown. we're going to go to moim iami a live report on the ground there. >> more breaking news from last hour.