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good saturday afternoon. congressman john lewis died last night at the age of 80. back am december, lewis announced he was receiving treatment for stage four pancreatic cancer. a few years ago in 2015 i spoke with the congressman about his fight for civil rights and graphic novels he wrote about that struggle. >> i grew up in rural alabama, 50 miles south of montgomery. i saw signs that said white men,

colored men, white women, colored men, white waiting, colored waiting. i made a decision that i would do whatever i could to bring down those signs in segregation in the rural south. >> it was so powerful in graphic novel form. where did that come from? congressman, the first volume looked at your early life. this one, conversely, gets really into the thick of things into the march on selma, the whole civil rights movement and the struggles there what is your message in this book? >> my message is very simple. it is saying to another generation, saying to young people, to children, this is what we did. this is what we faced during the freedom rides. just think in 1961, the same year that president barack obama was born it's impossible for black people and white people to

board a greyhound bus together in washington, d.c. and travel through the south seated together, using the same restroom facility, in the same waiting room. make it so plain, make it so simp simple. it's the violence. but people risked their lives. black and white citizens of our country beaten, arrested, jailed. almost 400 of us went to the state prison in the state of mississippi. in that summer those signs that said white waiting and colored waiting came tumbling down. >> his message still resonates, of course, in interviews, having listening to him on the floor of congress and in that graphic novel. martin luther king iii, the son of civil rights icon martin

luther king jr. welcome back to the broadcast. i know this must be a day of reflection for you because congressman lewis knew your father so well. he joined your father and four civil rights leaders in organizing that 1963 march on washington. lewis, the youngest speaker of all, just 23 years old, he gave quite a powerful speech. here is a little bit of what he had to say. >> we're tired of being beaten by policemen. we're tired of our people being lock locked up over and over again. then you holler be patient. how long can we be patient? we want our freedom and we want it now. >> i'm sure you're aware that civil rights leaders, sir, asked lewis to tone his speech down. how about your dad, his reflection on this moment and how much do you think his words are ringing true today? >> wow! that's a very good question.

i think that clearly john lewis was on target back in 1963. clearly, as it relates to freedom, justice and equality for all human kind. he has a long way to go. clearly, there is the largest civil rights demonstrations ever. we are seeing right now because of the tragic death of george floyd. but john lewis, i think, would want us to continue to engage, to register to vote, like before. he always told us that. he wants us to renew the voting rights act. a lot of people will get great tributes today, particularly on the other side. it's not just about a tribute. it's about action, making it available for all human beings to vote with no encumbrances. >> 100,000%. what about your father who, of course, gave his iconic "i have a dream" speech after that?

i'm curious about the relationship between the two men. talk about that. anything that you might have heard your father share about his relationship with john lewis. >> well, john lewis was certainly in and out of our home when i was a child. i remember experiences visiting, when he would visit. and as the head of the student, committee in 1965, the tremendous courage that he displayed along with josea williams, among with a number of others, about 50 people and were tragically beaten almost to lose their lives. but yet never, ever giving up, giving in, giving out. that's what john lewis represented and certainly dad knew that. john lewis was inspired greatly by listening to the speeches of my father and watching him in action, in terms of nonviolence. and john lewis personified that

throughout his life. i'm totally inspired by john lewis and millions of others who are younger than me, are inspired by this giant of a human being, who died on the same day that dr. -- i'm sorry, dr. ct vivian died earlier that day, who was also a giant. these two men perhaps have had their last walk together. maybe that's what it represents that they ironically died on the same day, working with my father. >> great loss on both regards. he became widely known, john lewis, for that quote, get in good trouble, necessary trouble. why do you think he will be remembered for under that umbrella? >> more than anything else, he's remembered as an activist who wanted to engage people around the issue of voting. every year, he took delegations to selma for the anniversary of the march. for the last, at least, 25

years. maybe longer. he has taken delegations of congress persons, bipartisan groups, people from all walks of life, to talk about the importance of our franchise, which is our right to vote. yet in 2020, the hope is that there will be more people voting than ever before. that's not all that he will be remembered for. that's a significant amount. because one of those that led that demonstration. he will be remembered as the conscience of our nation. he aroused our consciousness over and over and over again. and he activated -- he encouraged us to be activated. people are activated today. i am so proud of the many young people i see today. he would never pass by a group of young people without stopping and encouraging them. and those that he touch eed wil always remember that persona. >> martin luther king iii, i'm

always so glad to talk with you. the passion in which you bring all your recollections and perspective. a touchstone in such an important, pivotal time in this country. the president, everyone, has yet to weigh in on things regarding john lewis. let's go to the white house and talk with nbc's josh lederman. josh, there's been some reaction. have we heard directly from donald trump yet? >> reporter: not directly, alex. a chorus of reaction, praise, has been coming in for every living u.s. president now with the exception of president trump. that's fine as some democrats are concerned. they're raising concerns that the president could do more harm than good if he issues comments that are not seen as appropriate about the death of john lewis. we heard from congresswoman karen bast, chairwoman of the

black caucus. while the nation mourns the passing of a national hero, please, president trump, say nothing. please don't comment on the life of congressman lewis. one trump administration official we are hearing from today, alex, is vice president mike pence, recalling john lewis as a friend and remembering paying a visit with john lewis to that notorious bridge on the 45th anniversary of bloody sunday in selma. pence going on to say john lewis will be remembered as a giant of the civil rights movements who selflessness and conviction rendered our nation into a more perfect union and will inspire generations of americans. we've not heard at length from the president in his own words, we did get a brief proclamation from the president ordering flags here at the white house down to half-staff for the remainder of the day in honor of congressman lewis. flags have also been lowered at the u.s. capital today by house speaker nancy pelosi.

we'll also see those flags coming to half-staff at u.s. embassies and military bases around the world as americans of all stripes remember this civil rights icon. alex? >> nbc's josh lederman at the white how. thank you for that. congressman lewis spoke from his home and said the protest for police reform and racial equality gave him hope and that dr. king would be proud. >> i think we sent a message that we will not give up on justice. we will not give up on fairness, that we will continue to press on for what is right, for what is fair and for what is just. >> today, i feel more lucky, more than lucky, more than blessed but to be here, to see the changes that have occurred, to live to see a young man, a

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last night when i was informed of the death of my long-time friend, john lewis, i sat alone for a minute, thinking about what john meant to this country, to this movement, and to me as a person. the country lost a hero last night.

the movement lost an icon, and i lost a personal friend. >> congressman jim clyburn there, among the chorus of praise for john lewis. op-ed writing john lewis risked his life for justice. his willingness to do so was essential to the quest for civil rights. jim clyburn joins us now. what's been on your mind about your friendship and your time working together? >> well, john and i, as you said, met in 1960. and for almost 60 years, we've called each other friends. we often talk about the fact

that as we were sitting in, kneeling in, praying in, we never thought that we would land in the united states congress together or serve 27 years together. he and i often talked about our dreams, our aspirations. we talked about what the movement meant to us. he met his wife in the movement. i met my wife in jail because of a sit-in. they were both librarians and they became great friends, and i'll never forget when john saw each other and the way they embraced. he was just a good, good friend. and so several days ago, several weeks maybe, but right after the

sort of acceptance of the black lives matter movement, you could see it, we could feel it. and we talked about it. and he said to me, we must not let this thing die. we must not let happen to this movement what happened to ours because it almost got taken away from us. we woke up one morning and the headlines were "burn, baby, burn." and john, who was chair at the time, was ousted in a takeover and look what happened to that movement. we did not want to see the same happen to this movement. we talked about it. and that's why i have said over and over again, we must not allow the tremendous headway

that we're now making get overcome by headlines. so i am hopeful that we will dedicate the rest of this legislative year, house democrats and hopefully many of our republican friends will join us, dedicated to the life pursuits of john robert lewis. >> yeah. he certainly did seem hopeful. we heard in his own words his reaction when he went to go visit the black lives matter plaza. he was so moved by that. he said that exact thing. i am moved by this. we very much are hearing him echo your sentiments right there and what he hoped for. i want to take a look at what happened with "the new york times," the op-ed board writing this editorial, the moral authority mr. lewis exercised in the house of representatives while representing georgia's fifth district for years self

sacrifical protests that was deployed in the early '60s as part of a campaign that overthrew southern apartheid. what was john lewis' impact on the pursuit of equality? >> his impact was immeasurable. john -- the thing about john is that most of us practice nonviolence. we adopted it. john internalized it. he lived it. nonviolence was a way of life with john. we never had to worry about whipping john for a vote i always knew how he was going to vote. i was not always happy with the way he was voting. john really believed in what nonviolence was all about.

and so he had credibility that none of us have. we would loved to have had the credibility that john had. the reason he never had it, because none of us ever gave up, made the sacrifices that john made. i'm not too sure that i could absorb all that he took and absorb. john was just one of a kind. gandhi. if i think about any one person in history that i could compare john lewis to, it would be gandhi. and i keep a portrait, likeness of gandhi on the wall in my office and i think about john lewis, i think about gandhi.

>> i'm curious, the video you posted on twitter, you may have seen i played part of that. you purposely taped that message at sunrise. why sunrise? >> i stayed up late last night, and i just couldn't sleep. so it got early this morning, went out on my deck and watched the sun come up. then i decided this was the perfect time and the perfect setting for me to talk about my friend. because last night, the sun sat on his life, and this morning,

the sun rose on a new day, a day for all of us to find another way to do as he would say, yet in the way, get in trouble, good trouble and help this country live out the true meaning of this preamble. >> representative james clyburn, i'm fighting back tears as well as you, listening to you make a tribute to your friend. he was a powerful man, as you are. i'm sure he's very grateful that you're there to help carry on what the two of you so often discussed and shared together in your experience on capitol hill. thank you so much. the country's newspapers are paying tribute to john lewis, let's attack a look at the front page of the breaking news edition of the atlanta journal constitution. civil rights icon, contemporary of martin luther king jr.,

politician and mum tarn dies at 80. politico, after years of putting his body and his freedom on the line as an activist, he spent more than three decades in congress. here is the "new york times" tribute. they say images of his beating at selma shocked the nation and led to swift passage of the voting rights act. he was later called the conscience of the congress. the washington post tribute elevates john lewis to the e michlt nence of capitol hill and the los angeles times says he was a giant of the civil rights movement. a state in the throes of coronavirus just wrapped up a dubious record. we'll have that next. a dubious record we'll have that next t-mobile we have more towers, more engineers, and more coverage than ever before. this is not just a bigger network it's a better one. and now you can get an awesome network

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outdoors in phoenix and other arizona communities imposed by local leaders there. some test results are taking, in fact, weeks to come back due to the high volume. vaughn hillyard is in phoenix, where you have been throughout the last couple of weeks. you're seeing a spike in deaths, vaughn, and the matching of death certificates. apparently that's a challenge. >> reporter: exactly. today is the single highest newly reported cases of death in the state of arizona from covid. indicators that we should know suggest potential improvement, hospitalization numbers, krichlt. u beds. those numbers are remarkably high and not at a sustainable level that. is why understanding the scope of the spread here in the state is so paramount.

this weekend is significant, alex. this weekend is the first time that there's been a federally backed, major high-capacity testing facility. this is a partnership between fema, phoenix fire, phoenix police. from this weekend, why is this so important especially right here? >> we need these numbers. we need to get these people tested. we are in the number one zip code in the state of arizona, a very high latino population right here. we have a firestation down the street. half of their calls the last three weeks have been covid related. these people are underserved. they need to get those tests to them. we're here. we're set up. logistically, it's a good combination of federal, local, and we want to get people through here. we tested 1500 yesterday. we're on schedule for 2,000 tomorrow. but we want to do more. we need to get the message out.

>> you have the capacity to do more. that's why the message here, alex, it may be 110 degrees today, but folks need to come out, get tested. it's been a rough go these last several weeks in terms of having to wait days, or hours in your car to get a test. that process is becoming easier here in the state of arizona. that's why officials are encouraging folks to get out here. while there's some indicators that some of the numbers are heading in the right direction, as you heard from the fire captain, this is far from over here in the state of arizona. the governor himself suggested that folks need to understand this is the new normal and every icu nurse that we talked to said those numbers need to come down and they need to come down now. alex? >>. >> as if that's not enough to worry about, be sure to put on your sun screen, my friend, as you're out reporting for us in the hot blazing sun. thank you. another record-breaking daily increase in cases across the u.s., the country added more than 57,000 new cases on friday. that puts the nationwide total

now at more than 3.6 million cases. dr. anthony fauci said that those states seeing an increase in cases should reconsider their reopening plans. >> you may need to pull back a bit on a phase. you don't necessarily need to lockdown, but you've got to do three or four or five things that are absolutely critical, because we know they work. universal wearing of masks, stay away from crowds. close the bars. >> florida's famous south beach is under a curfew. that starts tonight. restaurants will only be able to deliver after curfew. pickup will not be allowed. and promising news out of new york. governor cuomo announced that hospitalizations are down 143 statewide, the lowest number since march 18th.

positive tests down to just 1%, something they've been aiming for, for quite a while. new restrictions in place in california today. the governor there has again closed all gyms, places of worship, malls and hair salons across 33 county on his watch list. san francisco was added to that list yesterday after a rise in coronavirus-related hospitalizations. schools within the 33 watchless counties will not open for in-person learning this fall. instead, students will have to learn remotely. joining me now, nbc scott cohn is joining me from l.a. what are you hearing from officials about the steady rise of cases and how it's going to affect the reopening of schools? >> it's a big cause for concern, alex. this hospital in san jose housed the first coronavirus case back in january. one of the first in the country. the first in california. they saw the steady rise in

hospitalizations. it leveled off with the shelter in place order. it is back up, hospitalizations up 22% in the past two weeks, intensive care unit capacity up 15% in the past couple of wees,s and it's statistics like that that have led to the concerns about the schools. yesterday governor gavin newsom unveiling a five-point plan for how the schools can reopen or not reopen. essentially looking at the county data. they'll have to be off the list before the school can even consider reopen. he they do reopen or where they're open, strong mass requirements for everyone in the school. students third grade and above and all staff. physical distancing requirements, other adaptations like hand washing stations, dedicated contact testing. and before they can reopen for

in-person learning, rigorous distance learning. they want to make sure there's actual learning going on. the early reading from teachers on this is a big sigh of relief. >> we want to be in school. our heart saysead says it's not. we want those two things to be the same. >> of course, all sorts of questions, questions for working parents. they need to get on top of the covid-19 recovery first. alex? >> kind of makes sense, have to say. scott cohn from san jose, thank you. joining me now, dr. patel and dr. natalie azar. doctors, thank you both for joining me. dr. patel, you first. i'm curious, your take on schools. do you envision scenarios where they could likely be open or do

you think it's too risky for the most part? >> it's incredibly risky where cases are surging. where the data does not support in-person curriculum. in places that are seeing declines or are taking incredible actions today, which can still be beneficial in the next couple of months, i think there is an opportunity, but it has to come with the support from kind of local health care and to be candid, we don't still have a national approach. we'll be dependent on local health dependents that are already stressed. the only way schools can do this safely is by having, as was repeated previously, having contact tracing testing. if you have a school that's reopening, you have a suspicious case, and it takes you seven days to get a test back, that can create so much risk for

everybody involved. >> yeah. >>. look, nobody zbraes with the fact that it's a lot better to do learning, teaching in person. that's obviously better with teachers. dr. fauci said yesterday that states with a spike in cases need to pull back on reopening, regarding businesses or schools. dr. azar, do you agree with that advice or do you think reopenings could happen if people were to become more careful? dou do you think they will? >> well, from the beginning, dr. fauci and the cdc guidelines have really foreman formalized r gave us a good construct or structure to work with, in terms of criteria. if you listen to the interviews that dr. fauci gave last week, he basically says that certain areas are seeing a lot of spikes kind of jumped over phases, didn't really do it sequentially or carefully. so, i'm definite ly happy and

encouraged that a full lockdown wouldn't be necessary in a lot of places, that pulling back and making sure all of those mitigation procedures are in place, could be sufficient. i'm encouraged by that. but i do think, listening to other experts speak that in cases that have really exploded, nothing short of a short-term lockdown may actually work. >> a study of younger patients with coronavirus, under the age of 35, they're experiencing abdominal pain and headaches. dr. patel, what do you make of that? why would that be happening? why would there be a difference? are things changing, shifting within this virus? >> to be honest, alex, we're learning that we don't really know as much as we think about

this virus. i think, to be candid, because in the early phases of this virus, we were prioritizing testing for hospitalized patients and we probably had a lot of these cases. i've had patients who had exactly those symptoms, headaches, gi distress, nausea, vomiting, and we clearly did not think it was coronavirus. and now, months later, find out that they're antibody positive and we think those two are tied together, that those symptoms were there months ago. i believe this is just telling us, whether it's young children with that inflammatory syndrome that's been incredibly devastating, as well as younger adults, to your point, of headaches and gi symptoms and then older adults, this is something we do see in other viruses, alex, where they can present in different ways, in different age groups. this reflects this is an incredibly sticky and systemic, which means it can attack all

parts of the body. what that says to most of us in medicine is that we have to have our caution up all the time. and i think, to be candid, it makes me even more nervous about, you know, reopening and candidly in-person learning while we're trying to reopen, while we're trying to understand how to treat patients with coronavirus. >> that question of antibodies, dr. azar, we talked to an ohio nurse who tested positive, then tested negative, and ended up with a positive test again in may. what do we know about antibodies and how likely is the situation like the one of sherry wellman? >> well, alex, in short, we probably won't know about reinfection for the next few months or the next few years really. what experts have said is that

the possibility is real that reinfection can occur but a lot of research needs to be done. a lot of this hinges on the question of antibodies. as we've said from the beginning, the strength of the antibody response and the durability of the antibody response is really fickle. antibody titers start to decline after months of the infection and can disappear completely in some patients. antibodies aren't the whole story. there's t cells and b cells that can have a memory. sufficed to say, the antibody issue is what we're dealing with right now. i should also say that people who have had mild infection tend to generate a very important antibody response and people who get sick tend to generate a

higher antibody response. what do we do? look at other, past coronaviruses and we know people can get sick year after year with the coronavirus. it may have short-term immunity but not long-term immunity. it's months or years before we can more confidently say that people who get sick can't get it again. >> ooh. that is sobering. dr. natalie azar, dr. kavita patel, thank you so much. joint effort from two college basketball coaches aimed at helping minorities. first, a message john lewis once recorded for a young girl who had been learning about him in class. >> be hopeful. be optimistic. never get down. it's all going to be okay. it's all going to be all right. we're one people. we're one family. we all live in the same house. not just american house, but the world house. i wish you well. rld house. i wish you well.

two major figures from college basketball are teaming up to create more access and opportunities from minorities, the mcc lechltlendon minority leadership initiative, the first african-american basketball coach at a predominantly white school. the co-chairs of this new initiative, university of kentucky head coach john liapari. i'm curious, john, you first, how did this idea turn into an initiative? >> well, there are a lot of coaches that got excited about this. we coaches are about solutions and we looked at this and said we don't have problem with diversity on the fields. we have problem with diversity

within our athletic departments, the leaders, the decision makers, and how can we come up with a solution? then it became if we're going to be involved we're going to end up to having to be the point of funding the way everything is going right now. we're going to have to be a mentor. we're going to have to really engage the athletic department. so we create the next wave of leaders, minority leaders within sport and business. this has gotten bigger than just business. how about 50, 60 coaches saying i'm all in? this is in about a three-week turnaround. al alex, it was really fast. my good friend, if coach tom am amiker weren't involved, we wouldn't have this to this level right now. >> you've got to get involved in this conversation then. that's pretty awesome. 50rks 60 coaches getting involved in this. talk to me about what you want to accomplish. john set it up there. what do you want to see done? >> yeah, alex. thank you so much, first of all, for having us in.

if i'm able to say, i just want to say that the world has lost a lion, a leader and a legend in the pass of congressman john lewis. he spent nearly his entire life working bravely and tirelessly to make this country more fair, more just and more equal. and i know he would be incredibly proud of this initiative. i think he would understand and recognize that, you know, we as coaches are teachers and educators first. it's our obligation and responsibility to go beyond the 94 x 50 with our own players. coach cal has been instrumental in pushing forward this idea, this initiative, this concept. i'm proud to partner with him, with all the other coaches. coach mcclendon was synonymous with social justice, education. all these topics and areas that we try to create dialogue and have our players to think again

constantly, consistently beyond the 94 x 50. we think it's something that provides a pathway and hopefully a tailwind for these young women and men we're hoping to have as future leaders not just in our athletic administration but in our world as we go forward. >> i have such a heavy heart talking about him, hearing him, his words. it's been a difficult day in so many ways. when you look at this kind of a program, john, john lewis, john mcclendon, these kinds of legacies that these lions bring to a program like this, how do you think it will ultimately influence your goals here? will you look to men like this as you try to carry out what you want to see done? >> well, first of all, you're right in that i think mr. lewis would be proud of this. and i also think john mcclendon would be proud. i would encourage everyone out

there, please google john mcclendon. when you find out, you say, why didn't i know more about this man? incredible background. anybody that's interested, minorityleaders.org, if you're interested in applying for a position, if you're position. if you are interested as a coach. or even more importantly, business leaders. we want to tie this all together to where it is a springboard. we are making the work experience -- we are paying them so they don't have to go get a second job, so they don't have to take a loan or take savings. this is a springboard to whatever. and it's not -- you are here to prove yourself. you are here to take advantage of this opportunity. and what we're going to do as coach is not only the point of funding. but we are going to make time to be mentors and be involved. and in five to six years, four years, we want the data so we can say, are we having an impact?

coaches have committed to this for multiple years. and it's also football coaches, baseball coaches, women's basketball coaches. but mostly, it's we basketball -- men's basketball coaches who are getting this off the ground. >> yeah, it's pretty extraordinary. let me ask you, tom, as coronavirus i know has now been a threat in ivy league colleges, fall sports are canceled. what about winter and spring sports conditioning? do you feel you are going to have a competitive basketball season? >> we are very hopeful, alec. we don't know. our school and certainly our league and others around the country should -- we have done this -- follow the science and the experts and let them guide what should be coming forward. and the statement that we have made which i am fully supportive of is that we decided to cancel our fall sports, all competition in sports. we are waiting to see what the

next step should be. we are waiting for the science and the health experts to give that direction. that's how we go about it. that's what we believe. i think that's the right way to do it? i am glad to have this conversation, john calipari. let me say it was written down tommy amaker. if i called you something that your mom called you when you were 7, i apologize. >> i go by both. >> okay. to remind you, if anyone would like to mow more information about the mcclendon minority leadership initiative, find it at minority leaders.org. as spaces spike, north carolina's plan to put some students back in the classroom, and how teachers are reacting. h.

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with just a few weeks now before the start of the small stesster, some north carolina schools are getting ready to welcome students back to the classroom. the governor has said he would

allow a mix of virtual and in-person learning but the reality is that coronavirus cases are surging across that state with nearly 100,000 total cases. let's go to jordan jackson, who is in north carolina with more on this. welcome to you jordan. what are teachers saying about this? do they want to get back in the classroom? >> we are just four weeks out from the first day of school here in north carolina. and it was actually just this week that the local districts received instructions from the state's governor. now, come august, schools have essentially two options here. they can either offer all on line classes or sort of a mix of on line and in-person classes as you said. but the bottom line is it comes down to the individual districts to make that decision. i spoke to a public school principal here at the school behind me who plans on welcoming students back in just a few week. he gave us a look inside at what they are doing here to keep kids safe. >> students will be wearing their masks in and out of the

school every day. and we'll encourage them to continue the wear those. once in the classrooms they will be socially distanced. in addition to that, students will be asked to clean their work space several times throughout the day. and they will not be sharing pencils, markers, white boards, things of that nature. >> now, every educator here is of course working so hard trying to make the best decisions for all of those involved. but as one told me earlier, this is just like a giant puzzle with new pieces being added every day. >> that is one way to put it, as a giant puzzle. absolutely. jordan jackson, thank you so much. that's a wrap for me, everyone on this edition of weekend with alex with it. ahead here on msnbc, now john lewis inspired a new generation of leaders in his pursuit of

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i'm richard liu. thank you for joining us. we are going the start this hour with the death of one of our nation's most transformative figures. john lewis died after battling cancer. he was 80. we will speak up this hour remembering his courage, his bravery and enduring fight for justice. another record-setting day meanwhile for the u.s. as our nation reports more than 76,000 new cases of coronavirus. deaths now on the rise. 963 americans died in just the past 24 hours. and more than half the country has now issued a mask mandate. why the president is resisting calls for a national order. the u.s. attorney general in oregon is calling for an investigation into an extraordinary show of force in that state. protesters reportedly confronted and in some cases by militarized

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