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breaking news right now on msnbc. a dramatic night of clashes across portland, oregon, police declaring a riot after protesters set fire in a police building. this on the 52nd straight night of demonstrations there, and now there is a new reporting that federal officers there apparently didn't have proper training. but proper training for what? new reports say the white house wants to cut funding for covid testing and tracing as the pandemic intensifies in many states. new details on the talks behind the next relief bill that's expected in days.
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mourners are flocking to the 55-foot high mural of john lewis. how his legacy is living on. good morning, it is sunday, july 19th. i'm lindsey reiser. >> i'm kendis gibson. it has been a busy night for police in portland, oregon. this is partly the reason why. tensions are escalating, police declaring a riot overnight, saying people broke into the portland police union headquarters, setting it on fire. >> this latest unrest comes as calls are growing to stop federal agents who have taken to the streets of portland in camouflage and tactical gear. they're using tear gas on protesters, even pulling some of them into unmarked vans. nbc's erin mclaughlin has the latest on this battle. >> reporter: a court battle over these federal agents. on friday the attorney general
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announced a lawsuit over several government agencies, including the department of homeland security, alleging federal agents are unlawfully detaining protesters. >> what is going on? who are you? >> reporter: the filing a response to these street battles between protesters and federal agents in combat gear with no insignia other than police. >> that's something you see in authoritarian regimes. not in a democracy, not in the united states. >> reporter: for more than six weeks, portland has been the site for conflict, triggered by the death of george floyd. the local justice center sandwiched between two federal buildings has been a flashpoint for protesters. >> i cannot accept that we have armed militia people abusing our community members. >> reporter: the department of homeland security says its agents are there to protect federal property. acting secretary chad wolf was in portland earlier this week,
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tweeting friday two dhs officers were assaulted with laysers and frozen water bottles, trying to protect people. >> this is an explicit abuse of power in places federal officers and/ oregonians. federal agents should not be used as your own personal army. >> we will have more on the use of federal forces in portland coming up. we'll be speaking with double agent jamali. >> we'll talk to him about what took place in the overnight hours and it being declared a riv riot there in portland. the president wants to cut billions out of a relief bill
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drafted by republicans. >> josh at the white house. josh, what's this all about? >> reporter: president trump wants to shift responsibility for dealing with the coronavirus pandemic away from the federal government and to the states and governors around country to deal with the political fallout and the blame, so to speak, as the negative news about coronavirus continues to mount. now people involved in these talks telling the "washington post" and the "new york times" that the white house has been pushing back on several buckets of money that senate republicans have been seeking, including about $25 billion for testing and tracing which we continue to hear from public health officials is so critically needed right now. the white house also, according to that report, pushing back on about $10 billion sought by the senate for the cdc and another 15 billion or so for national institutes of health. the white house is acknowledging in a statement that there is more work to be done to help with the economic recovery, but white house spokesman judd deere
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telling our kelly o'donnell that as the trump administration moves, it encourages businesses to reopen. but even as they fight it on the hill, it includes that pay cut the president has long sought and not been able to get yet. democrats have figured out other ways to get money into the hands of americans, but the white house pushing for that in this piece of legislation, as well as some liability protection for businesses that are reopening, and kayleigh mcenany saying the president also wants $10 billion for schools as they push for schools to fully reopen this fall. the new global coronavirus
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cases topped 250,000 for the first time. >> dr. fauci said young people have to be more responsible. >> by allowing yourself to get infected or not caring if you do get infected, you are propagating a pandemic. because it doesn't end with you. you get infected and have no symptoms, the chances are you're going to infect someone else, who will then infect someone else, and then someone who is vulnerable to severe consequences. >> it's having real life consequences, indeed. several florida hospitals say they're running low on the drug remdesivir being used to treat some 30,000, and they say that some 30,000 vials are on the way. that's enough to treat 5,000 patients. we're going to talk with the miami beach mayor, dan gilber,
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coming up. new york city is opening a fourth phase of reopening tomorrow. more outdoor venues will be open, but you still can't eat-in doors, and malls, movie theaters and gyms are all remaining closed. joining us is dr. ben callum. dr. callum, i appreciate you being here. what's your reaction to the latest numbers around the united states and around the world, for that matter? >> there is a real concern that numbers are going up in the south. we were hoping for a bit of a break in the summer, but unfortunately the case numbers are going up and up, the hospitalizations are going up, and now we're starting to see the deaths going up about three weeks after the cases first started going up. >> so what is the u.s. doing wrong? we've heard that schools in europe are reopening, life is getting back to normal, some
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areas in asia as well, thailand schools are going back, kids are going back into the classroom. what are these areas doing differently that are successfully reopening that the u.s. can learn from? >> that's a really good question. we've seen schools open safely in europe, and i understand the push to get schools open again in the u.s., but i think we need to be careful, particularly about high schools with older children and particularly about teachers that might be vulnerable to covid. i think there is a lot that can be learned from what's happening in europe and the far east where case numbers haven't gotten to levels where they are at the moment in the u.s. >> doctor, have you grown increasingly optimistic that we may have a vaccine that will be successful, say, by the end of this year? >> there is some good science from some of the earliest trials that are running, and i'm quite excited to hear about the university of oxford who will test it with volunteers who are being deliberately infected with covid.
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imagine that. that's a really quick way to determine if the vaccine works or not. if some of these other vaccines don't pan out, though, we'll be waiting until early next year, which it would be good if we could have it this year. >> the president says he's cutting off funding to the world health organization. we also know the "washington post" says the administration wants to cut back funding for contact tracing, for testing. doctor, is now the time to be cutting back on funding? >> test and trace is really, really important. testing is important, but we know once we identify cases, they often already passed an infection to other people. contact tracing is really, really important to get ahead of the virus, but it's also expensive to do that, costly to do the contact tracing. at the same time, is it less costly than lockdowns? so we'd rather have a targeted approach if we can. >> you can't contact trace if people are waiting two weeks for a test result. that just makes it a moot point. >> that's the current waiting period right now here in the
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u.s. >> yeah, that's really got to come down. that's really got to come down. >> how quickly is it done there, by the way? >> here we can have results in about 24 hours here in hong kong. >> that's how it was intended. >> let's talk about the high schoolers for a moment, back to what you were mentioning, because there is that new study that is out of asia, out of south korea, that is really, really troubling. it shows that those between the ages of 10 and 19 spread covid-19 just as much as adults, and that's suggesting that school reopenings, at least high school reopenings and middle schools will trigger more outbreaks. do you believe that? >> yeah, i think there's other studies that show similar patterns, similar findings. elementary schools may be fine to open, may be lower risk. high schools need to think very carefully. we also need to remember the schools are not only important for education, they're important for social well-being, emotional well-being, nutrition for
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children, and also for low-income families, it's really important that children can go to school so parents can go to work. >> dr. benjamin cowelling, and i should mention that china is doing a great job for testing results. they have mentioned they're having a spike with the new cases in hong kong taking place there. >> stay safe, doctor. >> thank you, doctor. >> thank you. members of congress hope to honor john lewis in one very important way. >> but it may not be possible. we'll tell you about a new report on that. we'll tell you about a new report on that ♪ perfect. -you're welcome. i love it. how'd you do all this? told ya! wayfair. let's talk dining tables. yes! blow it up. ♪ wayfair you've got just what i need ♪
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in the meantime, the apollo theater is honoring lewis on the marquee. >> people are leaving signs and gifts at the memorial there. congressman jim clyburn told msnbc's alex witt what the movement meant to john lewis. >> right after the sententart o black lives matter movement, he could see it, he could feel it, and he talked to me about it. he said to me, we must not let this thing die. we must not let happen to this movement what happened to ours. we woke up one morning and the headlines were "burn, baby,
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burn." we must not allow the tremendous headway that we're now making get overcome by headlines. >> nbc's priscilla thompson joining us right now from that mural, that 65-foot mural there in the heart of atlanta dedicated to the civil rights icon. of course, priscilla, this mural was up there for quite some time before john lewis' passing, but it's taking on new meaning now. >> reporter: absolutely, kendis. you know, some folks i've spoken with have lived here for many, many years and actually never come down to this mural, but they came this weekend to pay those tributes, and, you know, folks have left photos really reminding themselves of the memories of this congressman who represented them for so many years that they'll take with them. but there is also, aside from that sense of loss, a sense of, you know, a celebration of life and a life well lived. you see that very colorful sign there, well done, that good and
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faithful servant, and this thank you. r. r.i.p., john lewis, with the rose and the rock, telling him you've now found rest, you can be free. thank you for all the work that you've done. we spoke to some folks out here about the memories of his life that they'll take with him, and i want you to take a listen to what one woman told us. listen in. >> just his peaceful manner, just the calmness about him, just wanting to do what is right, never wanted to be -- he never stood out to me as a person that cared that much about power or money, just fighting for the people and wanted to do what's right. he's just going to be missed. he's truly going to be missed. i'm so thankful that he was able to -- i was able to meet him and i was able to be inspired by him, and we're just going to miss him dearly. >> reporter: and you heard her there talking about him being a man of the people.
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i want to point out this quote that is right next to that large mural. it says, i appeal to all of you to get into this great revolution that is sweeping this nation. get in and stay in the streets of every city, every village and hamle hamlet of this nation until the freedom comes, until the revolution of 1776 is complete. that powerful quote there by john lewis is certainly, i think, being melded into folks' hearts here, so many folks coming and just raising their fists to stand in solidarity of what he believed in and sort of a promise to continue that fight and that message of getting in the streets and demanding change. kendis, lindsey? >> nbc's priscilla thompson. that's quite a quote right there and a lot of folks have been taking that very literally over the last few months. we appreciate your time there in atlanta. we want to look at how newspapers around the country are remembering the civil rights legend. in his native alabama, the
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"hunsvil"hun "huntsville times" remembers him in a time of sharecroppers. >> the front page of "the montgomery advertiser" sunday, calling lewis an icon of justice and showing lewis being arrested during a sit-in at a restaurant in nashville. he noted that he was arrested some 40 times during the '60s but also some five times as a congressman. it continued. >> the "washington post" branding lewis the saint of civil rights, detailing his life with congress and the beating he took before becoming congressman. >> moving tributes to a lost civil rights leader as well. >> let's bring in ben jealous, president of people of the american way and former president of the naacp.
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ben, good morning to you. it's good to see you. let's talk about the symbolism of having john lewis lie in state at the capitol. how important is that? >> it sends a real signal that congress recognizes that this is a man who was one of the builders of our country. not a founder but a builder. and it really also sends a message about what our country values most at a time when our values have been so challenged, frankly, by the man who is in the white house right now. >> ben, i'm curious, because we lost reverend vivian and congressman lewis on the very same day, and this year has really been tough. we lost jessica lowry as well as anita abernathy. who is left in the civil rights? >> there's so many. reverend tim mcdonald who leads our foundation of people for the
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american way is one of the youngest of king's acolytes. there are still many left, but at the same time, it's a reminder not to take any of our great leaders for granted. in every community, there are people in their 80s right now, their 70s right now, their 90s who risked everything, who transformed that community. when john lewis started in his work, we were fighting for the most basic things. just the ability to be able to travel from state to state, stop at a restaurant, use a gas station bathroom. those are things we could not take for granted, in fact, we could take for granted that we could be beaten, that we could be sent to jail just for using the most basic services. and so let us not forget all those folks in our communities across this country that we owe
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so much to. my mom was involved in his presence, my grandmother who is 103, and there are people like him in cities and towns across this country, and john lewis' passing is a reminder to get their oral histories to say thank you, to have them talk to young people in these times. >> that said, though, some are still fighting for those basic rights. many have argued that voter suppression is still happening in our country, so what does the fight look like today? >> we must restore the voting rights act. we must restore section 5 of the voting rights act. there is no better way to attribute john lewis than to make sure that voting rights are secure. and for john, for folks like him, it was painful to watch us go backwards, especially in his adopted state of georgia. what governor kemp did there to get into office, what he
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continues to do is a scandal. and it's something that would not have been possible in this country 12 years ago, and yet, here we are. so we have to, as a country, move forward on voting rights, and that means that the senate has to have the courage to do what they did in 2007 when there was bipartisan reauthorization of section 5. these leaders wake up every day and every day is a good day to restore voting rights. john lewis told them that. so many want to walk across that bridge and pay homage to his courage, yet they lack courage today. we must restore section 5. >> that's not going to happen, of course, with mitch mcconnell there and president trump is not going to sign that. >> but that's the crazy thing, right, is that 98% of the republicans in 2007, including
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that which mitch mcconnell voted for. they have made attacking voting rights a partisan objective. it doesn't have to be that way. it wasn't that way. in 2008, 2007, they can certainly change their minds. no, i don't think that it's likely, but there is absolutely no reason why they shouldn't. and john lewis' passing, i think, is a reminder that all of them who have lacked courage this last decade or so could literally wake up and change their minds. they've done it before, why not do it again. >> ben jealous, thank you. >> thank you. bars are back. death. at least, that's what dr. anthony fauci has been warning americans against hanging out in bars, but a lot of people are still going. >> the mayor in miami beach says the partying there has turned his city into the pandemic's
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now to the coronavirus pandemic. north carolina is delaying its next phase of reopening as the state grapples with a growing number of cases, hospitalizations and deaths. >> nbc's jordan jackson is in mt. airy. jordan, a lot of officials in that state are very concerned. they were supposed to have the republican convention there in just a few weeks, and the governor there says he can't guarantee the health of many of the people who would be going to that convention. you can see those numbers are continuing to rise there in that state. >> reporter: that's right. health officials here are just concerned about these new numbers, what they're seeing, and they are sounding that alarm more forcefully. just yesterday over 2400 new cases announced in this state, and on friday, 1100 people
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currently in the hospital. now, both of those are records here, but you know what really concerns just doctors here is just how fast this situation is changing, and i spoke to an er doctor about some of those trends. take a listen. >> i think that's what concerns me more than the total number or even the rate is the fact that we were kind of inching along doing sort of well, kind of in an orange zone, as it were, and then all of a sudden in just a few days, we started to see such an uptick in our numbers, and then predictably 7 to 10 days later, we saw an uptick in our admissions to the hospital. >> reporter: so this lag time, if you will, is just why some experts say that july 4th actually could have been what sort of triggered the start of this new surge in cases and hospitalizations in the state, but, you know, as summer rolls on, people continue to pack the beaches on the coast here.
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health officials are struggling to mandate the face mask and social distancing guidelines, all while these trends continue to rise. lindsey? >> not a trend anyone wants to see. nbc's jordan jackson live in mt. airy, north carolina. thank you. these are the scenes at mi me beach as restrictions went into effect. the district fairly quiet. police cleared the streets as some people tell us they were caught by surprise. >> joining us now is mayor of miami beach dan gilber. thank you for joining us. do you have any numbers on how many warnings or even citations police handed out? >> i don't know that we handed out any citations after 8:00 p.m., because frankly, there was no one on the streets in the area in the entertainment district. we put an 8:00 p.m. curfew.
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countywide, restaurant dining indoors is closed. we've stopped all short-term rentals in the same area because they sort of have become party houses. we've had real trouble putting our -- handling the virus spread, especially with younger folks who seem to think that they're immune and they don't need to govern themselves. >> mayor, in the meantime, there were many tourists who were actually still down there and have been traveling down there, and they call the curfew terrible, they say it's disappointing. are you worried that these new restrictions will keep visitors away from south beach? >> we're navigating very challenging times right now. i think people who come here come here pretty wide-eyed that we are in the midst of a pandem pandemic, and florida, frankly, is in the midst of a surge. unfortunately, about a third of those cases, nearly a third, are happening in miami-dade county. so we have to have reality about that and we can't just ignore it. we are a destination center that
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tends not to do social distancing typically. in fact, we have a crowd-based economy in some respects, but right now we all have to govern ourselves differently, cautiously, carefully and mindful that there is virus in our community. >> mayor, it's so interesting, we have a lot of mayors that come on msnbc and they talk about the need for leadership from the top, from governors, maybe mask mandates, maybe slowing reopenings or going back into lockdown. you have taken action, you have the curfew. there is a mask mandate in your county, and also you closed the beaches on july 4th. do you think other mayors should be taking some of your lead and just go ahead and doing what they feel needs to be done? >> frankly, i think the mayors are doing the right things. two days ago, we had a zoom meeting with dozens of mayors, commissions as well, and city managers. they pushed all of this decision making to local government. i think if you look at what's really happening, if you step
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back, it's pretty obvious. the president really doesn't want to tell people to make a sacrifice, to force them to wear masks. our governor doesn't want to do that. he won't issue a statewideman da -- mandate. it's the mayors who are left delivering the very difficult medicine in telling people what to do. i wish the governor and the president would join us in telling people perhaps what they don't want to hear but what they need to hear, which is it's time to wear a mask, you must wear a mask. it's time to not have these social interactions which are expressed the virus. we need leadership from the states and federal. i think the mayors, no matter their parties, are doing the right thing, and we don't even have health departments. we are bringing in people to advise us. it's really become a troubling lack of leadership on the federal and state level. >> so what's next? are we going to shut it down?
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>> we are desperately trying to avoid a shutdown. that's why we have an 8:00 p.m. curfew and a 10:00 p.m. curfew statewide. there is a slight modification that might suggest these measures are working, but we want to give them time to see that they are taking root in the community. listen, if the president of the united states said to his supporters, who will do anything for him, wear a mask, it's the right thing to do. wear a mask and make that small sacrifice for somebody else, we would be in much better shape. if the governor would make a mask mandate, they would have people religiously follow him and they would do it. i'm fighting a divided community right now, and it's divided because our national leaders and state leaders refuse to get on the same page with our local folks who really understand that we're trying to inspire confidence and compliance. >> all right, mayor dan gilber
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breaking news, clashes intensifying in portland, oregon. police declaring a riot overnight, reporting that people broke into the police union headquarters and set it ablaze. >> this as tensions grow with police dressing in tactical gear, using force with people, some even arresting people and putting them inside a van. here's why it's causing concern. >> they are causing conflict there. they are taking people off the street who are doing everything right with peaceful protests. everyone in america should be afraid of this because this is what authoritarian dictators do.
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>> some troubling words there from the congresswoman. joining us right now is navi jamagentlema jam ja m jamali, a former activist. how troubled should people there be about this reaction? >> military force is troubling. we should also put into context that federal agents, what they do is operate inside the context of the united states and they should do so with i mpunitimpun. however, that's a large amount of trust we place in them and this is an aversion of that trust. >> we were told that they were put in to protect federal monuments, but that video, if we could roll that again, this does
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not show forces protecting any monuments or buildings or structures, they are chasing protesters away from an area. so they do have that legal authority, but is this an overstep? >> absolutely. i mean, you only have to watch one episode of "law & order" to know you need probable cause to effect an arrest. what these agents are doing is not that. you can't arrest someone who is wearing black because at some point in the near distant future they may or may not even damage federal property. that's not the concept of rule of law, that's not the concept of probable cause. what they are doing is exactly that. we've heard reports of them grabbing people off the street, failing to mirandize them, not making it clear what these people are charged with. so it's not a real investigation. to say this would be an investigation on federal vandalism charges is one thing,
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and even that's kind of -- it's not very strong. but to say that these agents are actually conducting an investigation is completely disingenuous. one final point here, seattle and portland both have passed ordinances that ban the use of illegal force. that includes tear gas and rubber bullets and the like. they've done so because what they've found is by de-escalating this with police, you stop de-escalation with protesters. frankly, because these agents aren't trained in any of this, they're completely handling this the absolute wrong way. >> do you think that the president is trying to send a message? because many people few portland as being this far left idealogical area. do you think this is part of a message that he's trying to send? >> absolutely. i think this is very clearly an attempt to, frankly, smear black lives matter, an attempt to convey to other parts of the country that the movement that
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demands equality, that's demanding reform is nothing but violent thugs. he's gone so far as to say this. and i think what he wants and what we're seeing here is unnecessary escalation. they want conflict because it paints a picture that, frankly, if you go to any of these protests, these are overwhelmingly nonviolent. >> you get the sense that what we're seeing play out in portland is a test kitchen for what's ahead? >> yes, i think that is exactly right, but when the mayor of a city -- they didn't ask for help, they purposefully drew police back, much needed in seattle, in an attempt to de-escalate the situation. to insert armed camouflaged federal agents clearly escalates this, and that's exactly what the administration wants. they want conflict, they want images we're seeing of the police union building being set
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on fire or graffiti or protesters throwing bottles at police officers, they want that because it plays into what they're doing. >> navidjamali, thank you. president trump is rolling out a new tactic against president biden. >> in doing so, he's trying to draw from the past to rally his base. will it work? base will it work for up to 30 days with the febreze car vent clip. wow, it smells good in here. so you and your passengers can breathe happy. with spray mopping to lock away debris and absorb wet messes, all in one disposable pad. just vacuum, spray mop, and toss. the shark vacmop, a complete clean all in one pad. just between us, cleaning with a mop and bucket is such a hassle.
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new polling released this morning shows former vice president joe biden has a double digit lead over president trump, 55% to 40%. >> joining us right now is francesca chambers, white house correspondent and jonathan allen nbc news senior political analyst. welcome to you both. >> good to see both of you. president trump pushing a new line of attack against biden as he's threatening to roll back an obama-era regulation that's really meant to crack down on housing segregation. here is what he said this week. >> the democrats in d.c. have been and want to at a much higher level abolish our beautiful and successful suburbs by placing far left washington bureaucrats in charge of local zoning decisions. your home will go down in value and crime rates will rapidly rise. joe biden and his bosses from the radical left want to
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significantly multiply what they're doing now and what will be the end result is you will totally destroy the beautiful suburbs. >> i mean, francesca, this is really a theme we're seeing here between the ads and the president's speeches that a joe biden america would not be safe and everything as you know it would go away. >> he's attempting to link calls to defund the police to joe biden even though abolishing the police is not in the unity platform he's referring to between joe biden and bernie sanders and at the same time get back that vote he absolutely needs to win this presidential election, the suburban vote. my colleague and i have analyzed this and the white voters that donald trump won last time and would need this time to win this election are going for joe biden by healthy margins. in one poll they were going for joe biden by eight points more than donald trump won them in
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2016 this is very much a group he needs to target. >> jonathan, who will tell them there's a lot of black and brown people who live in the suburbs? but i digress. in a recent piece you wrote that five decades later trump is still pushing segregationist policies. the president has been saying a fair housing rule backed by joe biden would abolish the suburbs, as we mentioned there. is it a dog whistle? what's the president doing here? >> yeah, i mean, i think a dog whistle is one way to put it. others might call it a fog horn. i think as francesca said he's trying to scare white voters, particularly white voters in the suburbs and in rural areas into thinking that, you know, there's some menace coming for them. the evidence that we've seen is that white suburban voters are leaving him, that they're not
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scared of black and brown voters, that they're not scared of integrated neighborhoods, that they're scared of donald trump's presidency. we've seen that in the mid-term elections where they went away from republicans, and we've seen that in the polling that we're watching. i don't think his message of racism is helping him with white suburban voters, at least not from a marginal perspective. they are peeling away from him in the suburbs. and so i think rather than sticking with him for the racism, and this comes from interviews and it comes from polling, his approval ratings on the handling of race issues are terrible. >> francesca, seeing what we've been witnessing in portland and the fact that the president wants to be known as the law and order candidate, do you think the two are connected? >> and he says this week he will have some sort of announcement on cities and how he will take them over.
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we're still waiting for more details on what those will look like, but that is directly related. and to john's point, i spoke to the pollster and he actually said trump is scaring them, that is what is happening here whiit this law and order message and he should focus on public safety rather than law and order because that conjures up images of police attacking nonviolent protesters, particular ly -- alo blacks. he said that is something he should stay away from but that is something donald trump has pushed as his message despite voters, exactly as john said, continuing to leave him in droves. >> we're going to have to leave it there with francesca chambers and jonathan allen, with his fourth, by my count, skype room. thank you. appreciate it. >> and thank you for watching msnbc. >> we'll be back next weekend at 6:00 a.m. eastern time.
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