near you've managed to somehow to and what was the pushback like >> we were a tight community and look out for each other and try to take care of each other we were strongly encouraging everyone to wear masks as we saw the percentage of positive testing rate go up, we knew we had to take additional

action either that or we were looking at shutting down our economy and so on june 23rd, we put in a mandatory mask order initially the compliance was slow, and we had our code enforcement, we had our fire marshal, and we had our pd out going business to business we've checked over 2,500 businesses we've issued -- and i think we're the only city in the tampa region -- that has issued municipal violations for violating the order. now we're seeing much better compliance and we're finally starting to see our percentage of positive testing rate start to decline which is a move in the right direction. >> one of the -- you tweeted on july the 17th, yesterday, it wasn't long ago that state officials weren't permitted to say climate change now there are those who refuse to acknowledge the science on masks. i look forward to the day we have -- when we have national and state leaders that depoliticize science especially when lives are at stake.

we are seeing this with this mask issue the same thing with climate change, the same thing with cigarettes. the idea this embrace of anti-science has now become a national scourge >> yeah, it's really incredibly frustrating. it really isn't a partisan issue when you look at the fact that you have the governor of ohio and alabama and arkansas they've issued mandatory mask orders for whatever reason the governor of the state seems to follow our president and, as my friend in south florida said, if we had a consistent message from our governor, at least a consistent message, obviously we would like a mandatory order. it would make all of our jobs as mayors a whole lot easier to get our community completely onboard with everyone wearing a mask and that's not just when you're inside you ought to wear it when you're outside if you can't socially distance, also

>> you bring up one of the first people in miami to get coronavirus, the number two patient, his big complaint it's not all that different from st. petersberg but the idea is you people don't live in a vacuum. in particular you are tourist hubs for people from all over the world, particularly all over america. you could do the st. pete's way. if you have people around you who don't respect those same rules, your borders are porous >> absolutely. and that's the challenge that we have this is the time of year where everyone likes to take vacations. and what you see happening now because so many states won't let people from florida travel there now because of our percentage of positive tests is people from within our state that are traveling and stay-cations i don't want somebody coming from another city where there's no mask order into my city where we have a mask order number one, they're not going to know what the rules are and probably are not going to be wearing a mask, but i don't know

what they're bringing in to my community. if we had a uniform rule across the state, if we had real leadership from our governor, things would be a lot simpler for all of us and we would get through this a lot quicker as all of the experts are saying. >> mayor kriseman, thanks for the efforts on the part of st. petersburg because it will affect the rate at which the rest of us get the infection and hopefully don't die from it. thank you, sir we mentioned "the washington post" report about the white house trying to block money in an upcoming senate gop relief bill aimed at testing and tracing. it's a gop bill, by the way. to put things in perspective the report says that as of late may there were fewer than 20,000 new cases of coronavirus reported each day on friday alone there were more than 76,000 new cases. yesterday 78,000 new cases i think it's pretty clear there's a cause for concern and that more funding for testing is needed joining me now laura garrett, an msnbc science contributor, also

the author of the bestseller "the coming plague: newly emerging diseases and a world out of balance" written, by the way, before the coronavirus. good to see you. thank you for being with us again. you and i were talking late friday night about the fact this testing thing which you've been talking to me since january or february, we've just never take then seriously and for whatever reason this administration has adopted a line that said the reason we have more cases is because we have more testing if you didn't have more testing, you wouldn't have more cases the logic is flawed because we also have more people dying, so clearly even if you didn't test as much as we do or more, you'd still be getting people getting coronavirus and they'd be getting sick and dying >> well, ali, the percentage of people who test positive is going up, so as a percentage of all tests done, the number who turn out to be infected is higher every single day.

so, yes, there's more testing, thankfully, because we're finding these people, but there's also far greater percentage of people who get tested are indeed infected but, you know, the problem is we're doing testing in an absolutely chaotic fashion that is aimed at the individual so individuals out there who have reason to be concerned that they might have been exposed to the virus can go and line up in these cars in the blazing heat in arizona and so on and get themselves tested and then wait a whole week, sometimes even more, for their results so that by then they've infected a lot of other people if, indeed, it turns out they have the virus. this doesn't actually help us know how the virus is spreading, who it's spreading from and to, what percentage of the population that is carrying the virus and is actively spreading it has no symptoms and so as a result we're not

doing testing in a way that advises policymakers, mayors and governors on how to make decisions. and now in retrospect testing we're finding really good reasons why we need to be doing this differently for example, in spain, which has this horrible epidemic, we all remember back in april, you know, hearing every day about people dying in spain, well, after huge exposure all over the nation of spain, they did a survey of almost 12,000 spaniards, only 5% turn out to have been infected at the time nyu has done this big study, really important, where they tested how much virus was in your body. so they're taking a sample and they're not just finding are you infected or not but how many viruses do you actually have in your body at that moment and it's a really interesting finding that the highest viral loads are not in the people in

the hospital, they're in the asymptomatic people walking around in your community and they have so much virus in them that they're actively shedding it >> so this is why -- this is why this is so important because if you have the highest viral load at the front end of your sickness, if you're asim tymptoc or don't develop symptoms at all, you take a test and it takes five to seven days, because that's what it's averaging now, to get the results of the test, you're carrying on like nothing is wrong for five to seven days because you don't have any symptoms you're not feeling sick. and that is the most dangerous time for you to be out there in contact with people. >> absolutely. so let's say, for example, we now know of several clusters, very large clusters, of people who have gotten infected going to a bar so if you are doing smart testing and you're in florida, let's say, you would go out and you would pick key bars that

tend to have large numbers of people congregating and you would conduct tests of that population and do rapid turnaround, within 24 hours, so you could see, oh, yes, we have a lot of virus in these bars we have to shut the bars down. but right now decisions like do you shut a bar down, do you open a school, are being made absolutely blind with no data regarding the virus to guide the decision. in fact, at one point we had representatives of the cdc saying there's just too much virus out there. and what they're trying to convey is this random testing is just finding virus everywhere we turn, and it's not something that's helpful in order to make the proper decisions ali, i cannot tell you how upset i am about the chaotic approach we're taking if every country in the world were fighting this virus the same way the united states was,

we wouldn't be now in 4 million cases in the world we would be in the territory of triple digits, hundreds of millions of cases in the world >> laurie, is there anything you see the administration is doing that could get us in the right direction, or are you coming to the conclusion as i have they have decided this is not their priority >> i think wall street and the administration have shared a blind faith this virus will burn itself out or there will be a herd immunity effect and miraculously everyone will turn out to be immune to the virus one day. policies have been based on wishful thinking and let's make sure it does not affect the election precisely the opposite has occurred not only has the virus gone

completely out of control, not only do we have intensive care units full now in at least four states not only do we have refrigerator trucks lined up outside of hospitals to store cadavers for collection in this hideous way that we suffered here in new york back in march/april, but we're seeing an absolutely log scale, explosive scale of growth even if the federal government at this moment decided to completely change their policy and focus in state by state, county by county, try to do the right thing, it's just too big and it's going to completely boom rang on them. it will be the decisive factor in the upcoming election >> thank you for joining me whether it's late night or early morning. you are always available to us

and we are grateful for it laurie garrett is an msnbc contributor and the author of "the coming plague: newly emerging diseases in a world out of balance." an important read to understand the times we're going through right now. this morning the country continues to mourn a true american hero. john lewis is remembered as a true civil rights pioneer with a tireless spirit. his friends and colleagues vowing to keep his legacy alive. >> last night the sun sat on his life, and this morning the sun rose on a new day, a day for all of us to find another way.

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something. he fought for a better america he fought for the ideals of america. he knew that the fight was so much bigger than those who would spew hate and division he knew the fight was for an elevation of who we are as a people and we can be that's the life of john lewis. he challenged us to be our best. >> an icon, a leader, an american hero, some of the praise heaped upon the late john lewis who died on friday after a months long battle with pancreatic cancer. the white house paid tribute to the congressman yesterday by ordering flags to half-staff president trump on the other hand waited until he finished his latest round of golf to tweet he was saddened. lewis continually fought for civil rights and encouraged activists to get into what he called good trouble. lewis was arrested during the 1961 freedom rides he was the last surviving speaker from the 1963 march on washington and had a skull

fractured by alabama state troopers on the edmunds pettus bridge during the events of bloody sunday. all of that before later being elected to the house of representatives in 1986 where he became dubbed by his peers the, quote, conscience of congress and now growing calls for politicians and the public alike to rename the edmunds pettus bridge after john lewis. makes sense. pettus was a confederate general who became a grand dragon in the ku klux klan and who profited off slavery, according to the smithsonian. joining me is the poet and writer of vanderbilt university, caroline williams lewis. her piece in "the new york times," you want a confederate monument my body is a finance federal rat monument has garnered praise as one of the best essays on race relations all year caroline, good to see you again. with we first spoke it was in

the context of monuments and racism in this country but now it's very specific because of that bridge named after your ancestor that people are saying let's name after john lewis because, in fact, in the minds of most people john lewis is the person they associate with that bridge, crossing it with martin luther king, and getting beaten as a result. >> that's right. and i think -- i'm so humbled to get to be a part of this conversation it's a seismic and serendipitous moment in history that i get to have written that article and then get to speak back and do the work that i was hoping the article would do in such real time because the work that i wanted the article to do would be a model of how people come from these dead confederates, can be participate of the charge -- part of the leaders of the charge to reframe those

monuments by giving them their due, by putting the people -- the people of color who made history in shows spaces and places at the front. that's not a rewriting of history. that's an adding of perspective that gives us a more complete picture. and john lewis is the most recent contribution to the history of that bridge, and he is so dignified, so honorable, and such a right person for the bridge to be named after >> i want to read just a little bit from your essay. it's hard to read first thing in the morning but it's important to people who haven't read it yet hear this. you say i'm a black southern woman and of my immediate white male ancestors all of them were rapists. i have rape colored skin my light brown blackness is a living testament to the rules, the practices, the causes of the old south. if there are those who want to remember the legacy of the confederacy, if they want monuments, then my body is a

monument my skin is a monument. what's interesting about that, caroline, other than the remarkable writing, you are not an island in this one. african-american women across this country have similar herita heritage >> yes and i hesitated just for a second before i sent the article in because it has been this source of shame in the past. but i think part of that was because we had to live in fear my great-grandmother on my father's side, edmunds pettus is on my mother's side. i liv she knew her white father. and they didn't talk about it because it was dangerous it was dangerous light-colored skin was a danger because it revealed misdeeds there was this secrecy about the thing. to me getting to write that

article was -- i wanted to be able to reclaim all of our story from the side of the black women and to acknowledge both the burden and then what can be a reclaiming of agency and a blessing because our skin is the proof. it is the proof that these men were not infallible, that their causes were not holy, just and on horrible. that they only prized a certain kind of female virtue. and it didn't look like me it didn't look like the women i come from. and so i think there's a real value to acknowledging it now. and i want that to be a place of power for people to be able to say, yes, that's part of my blood. that's part of my truth. and that is part of how we actually really get a complete picture of what the south was and it's how we can gather

together to move into a better future >> this may not be appropriate for me to ask and if it's not, it's okay, i understand either subsequent to your article or subsequent to your appearance on television, you had some outreach from people whose last name was pettus, also are descendents of edmunds pettus. >> i did i'm happy for you to ask what i'll say is i think it's a delicate process because you don't know -- i wrote the piece and so i expected it i think it's a delicate process because you want to -- i want to feel safe. i also want to do truth telling and build the right kinds of bridges into the future. i want us all to be on the right side of history. i'm really grateful for the outreach, and i hope that it can be a model i hope it's productive and restorative, and i hope that if it works, it can be an

encouragement to other people who are beginning to navigate these new kinds of connections to their past. >> yeah. literally bridges. i have bridges in your past, and it seems you have new bridges in your future. caroline, thank you for sharing your very, very personal story with us. and i think there are a lot of people who hear it and think it's similar to their personal story. caroline randall williams a descendent of the confederate leader edmunds pettus. i will talk to doug jones at 9:00 about his close friend john lewis. if you're still waiting for the president to follow through on economic promises, your wait time is going to be very long.

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economic growth to levels not seen since the 1980s, broad-based prosperity and fair trade which would lead to 25 million new manufacturing jobs in donald trump's lie lay the promise that even the least among us would thrive under his administration but even before the pandemic, which was made far worse by his own mishandling of it, he had failed to deliver. just like all he had to do with coronavirus was follow public health recommendations for the first three years of his presidency trump got away with kicking the can down the road on most of his economic policies. tax cuts, he said, convincing the very poorest in this country into thinking that a tax cut for the wealthy would be good for them, too. he said specifics about how debt would decrease and the average american family would see a $4,000 bump in their pay that didn't happen 4% economic growth, maybe even 5% or 6% of course that didn't happen either and that led america into a

trade war on all fronts leading farmers on a roller coaster ride that hasn't stopped pushing the world into a precarious economic position that the coronavirus then turned into a global recession. through misstep after misstep his base stood by him waiting for those promises to be kept, but he didn't do it, or he couldn't do it he couldn't do it then and he can't do it now. 107 days until the election. time is running out for trump. his poll numbers are collapsing. 50% of all registered voters strongly disapprove of the president. a new poll from quinnipiac shows how he is handling the economy is dropping. of the 60 promises he made in his contract with the american voter 13 were economic promises. nine of those promises were broken before the pandemic and the recession that he wants to you forget we're living through right now. he had four years to make good on his promises. he didn't do it when he had the chance and he can't do it now.

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you just heard me go through a number of different economic promises made by president trump during his campaign, all of which have been broken over the last three-plus years. now with various sectors of our economy including airlines facing never-before-seen financial pressure trump's ability to make good on those promises seems slimmer than ever joe biden has looked to fill that economic void coming up with plans to bolster the economy and make good on the

very promises trump made to voters over four years ago with me now is the president of the association of flight attendants and co-chair of the biden/sanders task force on the economy, sarah nelson. thank you for being with us. >> good morning, ali >> sarah, let's talk about some of these matters we have been given lots of evidence in the last few weeks of a couple things one is the deepening economic plight of the american worker or the furloughed american worker and on top of that the fact the public seems to be coming along. the polling numbers in support of donald trump's policies are dropping precipitously in the end twhwhat are we looki for in terms of the policies you've been working on with the biden/sanders task force that will help working americans, help the working poor, help the people affected by this pandemic >> well, first, we have to be truthful that the fact the

pandemic is the crisis so this is uncovering all of the problems that were laid bare during this presidency and before that with the wage crisis, crisis in good jobs, crisis in americans' ability to afford housing, the student debt crisis all of this is laid bare now that we don't have health care even to provide for people during a pandemic. but donald trump made this worse by dismantling the national couh public this is not an issue, this is a hoax, that we shouldn't wear masks or respond in any way people are dying and people are massively out of work and unable to take care of themselves what we talked about was shoring up those jobs. we talk about keeping people connected to their payroll and paychecks and extending those unemployment benefits so we have a safety net there so that

people are able to pay their bills and we don't have a huge homeless crisis. we talked about expanding the right for people to own homes and actually be able to get into homes, refurbishing and building new housing. and we talked about labor rights so people can fight for good jobs with a good living wage, good health care and, yes, safety on the job because that's what we're seeing, too, is that people have a false choice of choosing the economy or their safety, and that's just wrong, ali. >> you are a labor leader. it is something that the president and his group target a lot. they have painted a picture of labor as being an impediment to economic growth. can you give me a picture having looked at the last six months about whether or not members of labor unions in america have fared better or worse than those who have not, who in similar professions that might be unionized have fared

>> well, if you just look at safety on the job where unions exist, we've withbeen able to p back on safety at work, people can make good health decisions and not forced to come to work just to keim their job or be able to have a paycheck. we've been able to, also, organize with congress and be able to direct funds to keep people in their jobs with payroll assistance connecteded to their health care and, for the most part, when you have a union contract, you do have access to good health care. so all of these things have been critically important for the american workers during this time, and it's only where we have unions that we've been able to make any headway. in addition to the fact that when you have a union you also have the ability to stand up and whistle blow and say when there are issues that are unsafe we've been able to address issues that, of course, in the aviation industry the flying public would care about. if it were not for unions we wouldn't have mask policies. we wouldn't have the deep

cleaning we wouldn't have the safety procedures that have been put in place even in the wake of the lack of leadership from our government if it were not for our unions pushing these issues forward and taking care of ourselves and the traveling public >> one of the things you talk about is keeping people connected to their payroll and their health care. that's not a typically american thing. our health care is generally speaking for most americans tied to your job, and i think more and more americans are realizing that that's perhaps not the best idea you have tried in your negotiations with the government at the beginning of the coronavirus, particularly with the airlines, to try and come up with a model that doesn't separate people from their health care and their work in other words you pay the companies to continue to pay people how is that working out? the airlines are continuing to threaten more layoffs and furloughs. >> yes in the c.a.r.e.s. act we got a provision, it's only 1.25% of

the entire c.a.r.e.s. act, but a workers first package so that we continue to keep people in their jobs with their paychecks going, and we have the protection of no involuntary furloughs until october 1st. now it takes two months to plan, so we're starting to see warn notices come out and we're looking at hundreds of thousands of layoffs in october if we don't get continued relief this july so we're talking with congress about continuing the most successful jobs program of coronavirus relief so far which has kept people in their jobs even if not on the job and connected to our health care, continuing to get a paycheck so that we can pay our bills, keep ourselves strong, and not put an additional tax on programs so necessary to protect the rest of americans. we had hoped this would be a framework that could be used for other industries and when we continue to hope for that. we think very clearly congress should continue the successful jobs programs that are working and i should note, too, ali,

let's make clear, that this also reins in the worst behavior, capped compensation, stock buybacks and dividends even beyond the time of the relief period we really wanted to make sure this was a package that was workers first and also address the things the americans hate. >> thank you for your work and thank you for joining us again today. sara nelson the president of the flight attendants. activists old and young are paying tribute we reflect on their time together >> just as martin luther king is still with us today more than 50 years after his death, i think we will never forget the role john lewis played in helping this nation live out theru te meaning of its creeds. . so you can bring your

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with just over 100 days until election day brand-new polling numbers from this morning spell trouble for president trump. the latest abc news/"washington post" poll shows joe biden beating 15 points nationwide. now, this is the latest in a string of national polls that show the president losing to former vp joe biden by a decent margin notably in the survey, when asked what's most important, trump voters overwhelmingly say they simply want to reelect trump, not necessarily beat joe biden. however a majority of biden supporters say their primary objective is to beat trump only 24% saying they pelf want to elect biden now the biden campaign is using its resources to run tv ads in texas, one of the most reliably red states, proving that biden believes this lonestar state is in play this november. >> i'm thinking of all of you today across texas

though the rising case numbers is causing fear and apprehension, people are frightened they're especially worried about their parents, their grandparents, their loved ones who are most at risk this virus is tough but texas is tougher. >> joining me, dnc chair tom perez, a former labor department secretary and the assistant attorney general for civil rights under barack obama. tom, good to see you first of all, let's start with john lewis you met john lewis when you were a young staffer in the senate. >> i did i was a staffer for senator kennedy. and i had the privilege, ali, of drafting the first draft of what ultimately became the matthew byrd/james shepherd hate crimes prevention act of 2009 first drafted it in 1995 i remember sitting with senator kennedy. we needed a co-sponsor in the house. who do you go to

that was an easy question, you go to john lewis, because john lewis was the man. i'm a staffer, that was back in the days, ali, when i had hair, and i'm sitting in a room with john lewis and ted kennedy, talking about civil rights i remember pinching myself, because that is a civil rights lawyer's dream day, sitting with the two of them. and what always struck me about john lewis was not only his accomplishment but his humility. he always talked to staffers, he engaged staffers, he was a man of short physical stature but he was a giant in the movement. and we have our clear marching orders he said voting is the most powerful nonviolent tool we have to create a more perfect union he's right and you had that segment there on texas, we've got to get everyone out to vote, and we've

got to do more than that we have to emulate how he lived his life he had a capacity to forgive that is lost in today's discourse. he was such a model for what we have to do as barack obama said yesterday, not many people get to see our own legacy play out in such a meaningful way and whether it's dreamers, whether it's the black lives matter movement, whether it's march for our lives, we're all following in his footsteps our work, our marching orders are very, very clear i can think of no better way to live his legacy than to make sure i continue to do the job i do here and we continue to make sure that everybody gets out there and votes this november. that's what it's all about for john lewis that's what it's all about, frankly, for our nation right now. >> on friday, john lewis was living his legacy. he and his friend from across

the aisle, sketch kevin mccarthh sent a letter to the education department, he worked until the day he died. on thursday, he made comments, i want to read them to you, talking to his audience, saying, your home will go down in value and crime rates will rapidly rise joe biden and his radical bosses from the left want to significantly multiply what they're doing now and the end result is you will totally destroy the beautiful suburbs, suburbia will be no longer as we know it. tom, you and i have talked in the past about dog whistle that's not even a dog whistle, because we all hear that the same way what's he saying >> well, i mean, listen, it is insulting to all dogs across america to compare what donald trump says with dog whistles, whether it's post-virginia, whether it's post george floyd

he constantly puts gasoline on fires rather than trying to put out fires. john lewis was a uniter in chief. barack obama was a uniter in chief. read what george w. bush said when rosa parks died, it was a statement honoring a champion in our civil rights struggle. donald trump had 18 holes and so couldn't get around to saying something about john lewis the american people are tired of divisive leadership. the american people want leaders who will save their lives. this pandemic, so much of it was so avoidable if we had leadership you and i have talked about the economy for many years this economy is in the tank. 17 weeks or more of record

claims for unemployment benefits in the aftermath of george floyd, we have a president who every single day puts gasoline on the fire. that's why i'm so proud to work for joe biden right now, because common decency is on the ballot. competency is on the ballot. and joe biden is going to help people in the suburbs. and by the way, donald trump got his butt kicked in suburban america in 2018 because he doesn't speak to the hopes and dreams and needs of people anywhere across this country and that's why you see his numbers doing what they are. but i'll tell you, when i see the poll you had out there, ali, it worries me, because i know this election is going to be tight, and we are -- everybody on team biden and the dnc, we're operating as if we're five points down, because we have to

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