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good morning, i'm ali velshi the reaction to the passing of congressman john lewis has been pouring in from around the country. the white house ordered flags at half-staff, around the same time president trump was spotted entering his virginia golf course and hours before he tweeted he was, quote, saddened at the passing florida governor ron desantis who generally hasn't gotten anything right during the coronavirus response had this chance for a lay-up when asked by a reporter for a comment on lewis. watch his body language, then listen to what he said >> reporter: we saw last night congressman john lewis passed away, he's civil rights icon and hero

this is happening against conversations about race, monuments, flags, a monument downtown has voted to be removed from the plaza downtown. >> all right, yeah, i appreciate the question, but we're trying to focus on the coronavirus, i appreciate it, but i'm going to let -- i'm going to let someone ask about -- do you have a question about the topic at hand >> didn't actually have a question lined up, he just needed to not talk about john lewis. desantis has done such a horrible job handling his state in the coronavirus pandemic, you would think he wouldbe pleased to get off the topic, a seemingly unstoppable rise in cases and deaths you don't have to take my word for it that he's done a miserable job. he said it himself >> a lot of people in your profession wax poetically for weeks and weeks about how florida is going to be just like

new york hell, we're eight weeks away from that and it hasn't happened so we've succeeded and i think that people just don't want to recognize it >> you'll find that in the dictionary under "that didn't age well." speaking of using someone's own words to judge their pandemic performance, let's ask donald trump and the white house how the president is doing >> his historic covid response speaks for itself. >> the minimum number was 100,000 lives. and i think we'll be substantially under that number. hard to believe that if you had 60,000, uh, you can never be happy. but that's a lot fewer than we were originally told and thinking it looks like we're headed to a number substantially below the 100,000, that would be the low mark >> the united states has reported more than 142,000 deaths and is quickly nearing 4

million total cases. so considering how badly trump has done, it perhaps shouldn't be a shock that new reports indicate that the administration is speaking to block new funding for testing, tracing, and the centers for disease control. perhaps his poor performance is also why trump has started spouting things like this, pun intended, by the way, on the spouting >> so shower heads, you take a shower, the water doesn't come out. you want to wash your hands, the water doesn't come out so what do you do? you just stand there longer, or you take a shower onger. cause my hair, i don't know about you but it it has to be perfect. perfect [ applause ] dishwashers, you didn't have any water, people who do the dishes, you press it, it does it again, and again. dishwashers now have a lot more water and in many places, in most places of the country, water is not a problem they don't know what to do with it it's called rain >> what on earth is he talking

about? what times we live in. this is what the president was saying on thursday there are more than 140,000 americans dead from a virus that the president insisted would disappear if you waved a wand three times or said hocus-pocus or something like that now he and his followers are joking about showers and dishwashers and his hair is water flow really what's on the mind of the american voter right now? no, i can tell you it's not. as a huge number of americans say the country is on the wrong track. trump's approval rating continues to plummet and quickly. trump's h20 comments came during an official white house event on deregulation which included a backdrop of a red and blue truck with a crane lifting regulation weights from the red truck and weights weighing down the blue truck. get it it's cartoonish. shouting about water and saying things like joe biden will destroy the suburbs, which is a real thing that trump actually said during that same event. we used to call statements like

that a dog whistle, something that could only be heard by people, or i guess dogs, who could interpret the frequency on which the message is sent. but it isn't actually a dog whistle. we can all hearing that. warning, joe biden will defund the police and black people will come to your suburbs and ruin them along with your property values that is where president trump donald trump is today. we even got a look inside trump's acme-inspired playbook when a reuters photographer snapped a picture of press secretary kayleigh mcenany's briefing binder. among the items, obama mueller, spelled incorrectly carl lies winds. golf and goya there's a deadly page actively spreading in the country let alone countless other crises and our selected, elected leader is

thinking about beans reed galen is the co-founder of the lincoln project. karen tumulty. her inner dive is into the money of the trump campaign. karen, i don't like to dwell, my viewers don't like to dwell on the crazy stuff that donald trump says, but it's wild. they are in denial about the coronavirus. he's literally still talking about shower pressure and water pressure in washing machines and dishwashers. soon he'll be talking about light bulb more importantly, he's talking about black people coming to suburbs and scaring people and bringing down property values. his core is still with him, it's just a very small core >> yeah, what really comes through loud and clear in our poll this morning is the degree to which this election is a referendum on donald trump and

his performance in office. we see him struggling with groups that he won in 2016 i was particularly struck by the erosion among white women who he won by nine points in 2016 he's now down by four. basically this election has become a question of whether he is up to the job >> reed galen, you're the co-founder of the lincoln project. you're a political strategist, former deputy campaign manager for john mccain and arnold schwarzenegger in california let's talk about the lincoln project. you have ads you come out with very frequently, the most recent one, one of the most recent ones is about ivanka trump who told people who are out of work to find something new let's play that, please. >> with 135,000 americans dead and the economy on the edge of a

new great depression, ivanka trump has some advice. >> find something new. oh, of course. why didn't we think of that? it's so simple how about jewelry design have daddy loan you millions to get started. or fashion once you get millions in chinese patents and trademarks, cha-ching. the important thing is to find something new. i mean, who cares if you're about to be evicted or lose your health care or can't make ends meet find something new can't feed your kids let them eat cake. ivanka is worried about one thing. this november, we will find something new. and it won't be her daddy. >> the lincoln project is responsible for the content of this advertising >> reed, in that sentence juinsr

playing off the idea that donald trump and his white house are entirely out of touch with the stuff that americans are concerned with right now >> certainly, she always has been, as the president always has been his entire life what i think that ad illustrates is that she doesn't have any more conception of what it means to be living through this than her father does. and so, you know, they have this bubble of unreality in which they live that is only pierced when the worst of the worst happens, and despite 140,000 dead americans and 40-plus million out of work, we see that she's still worried about, you know, trolling the american people or own ewning the libs w beans, with donald trump doing it from the resolute desk that his predecessors fought world

war ii from. >> interesting, karen, the one thing that donald trump projected and tried to project before his presidency was the economy, when he always tied to the stock market weirdly, the stock market is soaring, basically because there's nowhere else for your money, but in fact we are in a recession. your polling and quinnipiac polling indicates a drop in donald trump's profile on the economy. quinnipiac puts him at 53% disapproval versus 44% approval in june. he was able to say i got you on the economy, and now people don't believe that >> yeah, you know, at a moment when a lot of people across the country are depleting their savings, it is really hard to argue that the stock market is

the most fundamental indicator of people's health going back to our poll this morning, for the first time when people were asked who would do a better job with the economy, this has been a place where president trump has consistently had an advantage over joe biden. they are pretty much tied on that question. joe biden is currently leading in which one would handle the virus better, which one would handle race relations better, which one would handle public safety better. but the fact that he is now tied with president trump on the economy is very significant. >> reed, the lincoln project a lot of people associate with the ads but in fact you're doing other things as well, particularly in ohio and texas, working to convince those people, the polling indicates that people, particularly democrats or people supporting biden, are more interested in

getting rid of trump than they are in biden you're trying to positively project the idea that people who don't like trump need to vote for joe biden. >> yeah, look, i think the vice president has decades of experience and service to this nation and he's actually decent and wants to help americans on an individual level. i think that the thing that the vice president understands that donald trump never can is that nothing else gets done until and unless we can start to reduce the number of cases of covid to start to really, truly, not only bend the curve but make the curve go into steep decline. it doesn't matter what else we're trying to do, whatever it is on the infrastructure, the economy, whatever else we have to try and get done, nothing happens until covid is gone, and that's never going to happen with donald trump. there has been no federal response to this crisis. he's only made things worse. he now wants to defund, you know, tracing and testing in this latest economic package

he's going to get worse. he's never going to be better. he's incapable of trying to do the things that need to be done for this country what you're saying, as karen said, are republicans, democrats, independence across the board who are fleeing from him, not only because of his failure on covid but his actions on george floyd and other things have been absolutely repellent to individual americans who believe that they need decency first in the white house in november i think a lot of americans will lead that way >> thank you both for joining me this morning coming up next, a daunting new prediction on the spread of coronavirus. plus a makeshift memorial growing at the john lewis memorial in downtown atlanta the city is spreading his message of peace and equality. >> i really believed in what he stood for and what he fought for, which is peace, which is, we want everybody to get along, just peace in this world

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by year's end. he says shutting down business and activities may be the only option to stopping the inevitable spread of it. joining me now is dr. irwin redletter from columbia university and an msnbc public health analyst irwin, good to see, thank you for being with us. this is remarkable, the number of cases that you suggest may be occurring and the number of deaths a study from the university of washington predicts somewhere approaching a quarter million by november what you're suggesting is exponential growth in that number, in other words not a trend growth but something yet worse. >> yeah. hi, ali, good morning. yeah, so this is basically -- this basically begins with the understanding from very early on in the pandemic that half the u.s. population or more might come down with the disease the vast majority, of course, as

we've discussed will not have much in the way of symptoms. however, 15% of those people will need the hospital care that they must have but also, if we're talking about only a 1% fatality rate only, we would be talking about 1.6 million people but it's probably going to be closer to a half of 1% is what we came up with for a final death toll or at least the death toll over the next 12 months that will reach 800,000 people this is a dramatic increase over what we had expected early on. but these are the numbers. it's basically just arithmetic and the other thing, ali, if i could just mention this, so the other day we surpassed 75,000 new cases in a day remember that the head of the cdc, redfield, dr. redfield, said that that's only 10% of the total. so we're already at at least

750,000 new cases per day and will reach a million way before the election >> so i don't know if you get these questions, because i still get exposed to some people who ask these questions, that there's a belief that the increase in the number of cases we've got is related to an increase in the level of testing that we are doing. so what does a smart guy like you say to someone who says it's because we're doing more testing? >> well, i think most americans understand that the amount of testing that we're doing is extremely limited, it is way below where we should be and if it was just a matter of testing, we wouldn't be seeing the steep rise in hospitalizations and fatalities that we're starting to see now across the sun belt in places, as you were mentioning earlier, like florida and certainly like texas and other places so it's a preposterous idea that if you test more, you'll increase the numbers you'll find more, but we're still not finding the real number of what's occurring around the u.s so the answer is, it has nothing

to do with testing, it has everything to do with the fact that the disease is still in a serious, dramatic outbreak level right now. >> irwin, you and i have known each other for some years, and we've been talking since the beginning of this pandemic you and laurie garrett and others have had prescriptives out there, and we've seen those work in other countries, where they managed to flatten the curve. so there's really zero reason this should be happening in the united states. but we heard overnight the administration is going to pull back $25 billion directed to the cdc and $25 billion that ultimately would have gone to the states to increase testing there is some talk they would like to build a nice new shiny fbi building for people out there, what alternative is there other than to social distance and wear masks? can you just hope there's an election result that stops this? because this administration does not seem in any way committed to ending this. >> no, what they're committed to

is a shifting from a pandemic narrative, ali, to a political narrative in the run-up to the election in november and i think this is what's driving a lot of the decisions that are being made right now, which are frankly fraught with ignorance, inconsistency, and terrible messaging you know, it's been a long time that the president has been worried about what's going to happen in the november, and with good reason. this has been handled with a level of incompetency and mismanagement that's really quite unprecedented even though that's a pretty overused word. the fact is they're now in election, reelection mode, and trying to figure out what kind of narrative could possibly cover up the incompetencies of the administration and have that happen by november and by the way, let's look to october, the october surprise this year, an announcement of some, you know, vaccine or medication that's right around the corner, which of course will be as false as almost everything else the president said, ali

>> irwin, thank you for your op-ed and for being here for us. irwin has written an op-ed in the daily beast which is a worthwhile read. turning now to texas, which is a coronavirus red zone, according to a leaked document from the white house, recommending stricter restrictions and scaled-back reopenings for 18 states that have more than 100 cases per 100,000 people in one texas county, 85 children under the age of 2 have tested positive and more than half of them aren't even a year old. joining me is democratic congressman mark veasey of texas. congressman, thank you for being with us. i want to start, as i want to start almost every conversation even if we're talking about politics, with your friend john lewis. you served along with john lewis. i want to get your thoughts on him first. >> yeah, it was amazing to serve

with john. he was just a great friend, a remarkable person. obviously a very historic figure but always so humble and, you know, i had the opportunity to travel to south africa with john, and for robert kennedy's 50th anniversary speech at capetown university, and also had the opportunity to spend just time in private meetings with john, in small group meetings, and of course served with him on the house floor. i will never forget that representative terry sewell put together a small trip to birmingham and montgomery, three or four years ago, and john was there. he talked about some of the places around town and the segregation that took place, particularly the greyhound station. and what an amazing experience to be in this small van with john and just hear him recount what happened during the 1960s

and the time there in alabama. and it just added an extra layer of humanity to what the civil rights movement and the marchers and representative lewis, what they went through at that time it was just so incredibly overwhelming and just so happy that i had the honor to serve with this man, what a fellowship, what a joy divine that god allowed us to serve with this man because he truly was a living saint >> let me talk to you about texas. you actually have had a bit of a turnaround in texas with respect to your governor who seemed to be one of those guys who didn't think masks and social distancing was a thing, to suggesting that maybe it is worth doing this but texas is late to the game and was inundated in a way that was hard to watch given that texas is home to, certainly in houston, the largest hospital center in the entire world, you

are a health care leader, but bad practices, bad policy led to you being a hotspot. >> greg abbott, the governor here, was a day late and a dollar short and now it's spread out of control even in the county which you pointed out, all the children there who have gotten sick, many under the age of 1 i know a former commissioner who had to wait to receive an icu bed down in the valley i mean, this is serious. it's spiraled out of control a lot of businesses still are not very stringent about requiring workers and customers to wear masks. we're a lot better than we were a few weeks ago. my son and i were going through the drive-through the other day of a popular chicken place here in ft. worth and the workers have the masks pulled down below their face and were coming to

people's windows it's almost like people are just n not, you know, being realistic about what we're going through right now. it starts at the governor's desk, he's been so lax, it's not surprising people aren't taking him seriously because it took him so long to take this seriously. >> i want to ask you about the economic stuff that i've been discussing this morning, the effects of this. as the white house sort of moves on and decides that coronavirus isn't their problem for the moment, there are people with economic issues, we're finding people having difficulty affording rent, affording health insurance payments, and something you've been involved in, people not being able to pay their utilities. you've joined with other members of congress to introduce bipartisan legislation to expand energy assistance for low income families >> absolutely, we have to do that we need to be realistic about this this is not going to end overnight. and right now there are a lot of people that have lost their

jobs, they can't pay their rent. my son volunteers at a food bank and the food bank is packed every friday because people are trying to do everything that they can to make ends meet and we need to be able to assist people to help make ends people because, again, this is going to take a while people that think that, you know, we're going to -- you know, that there's going to be a miracle cure, you hear the doctor that you had on before, we need to be realistic about how we help people pay their bills, hospitalizations, education. we need to look at all of these things and how we work through this for the long term, because this is going to be a minute, and we need to take this seriously so we don't have the catastrophic amounts of deaths that he just talked about. >> congressman, good to see you, thank you for joining us, congressman marc veasey of texas. alabama another state with skyrocketing coronavirus cases, the rate of positive tests hitting new highs.

senator doug jones joins me next on his state's deepening crisis.

i don't think there's anybody that's been in congress that long that is loved by more people he was so humble, so purposeful, so filled with courage he could almost tell you to go to hell so nice that you would

look forward to the trip >> i think that, you know, john lewis has we all know, he has always been present, right his legacy is not the legacy of the 1950s and '60s his legacy continues today and forward. >> that's not all that he will be remembered for. that's a significant amount, because he's one of those that led that demonstration but that's going to be remembered as the conscience of our nation he aroused our consciousness over and over and over again >> the reactions to the passing of congressman john lewis from his colleagues continues to pour in lewis wasn't just a protester or civil rights advocate. he had his skull beaten in during the events of bloody sunday on the edmond pettus bridge in the early 1960s. now there are calls to rename the bridge in lewis' honor and not after pettus who was later a

grand dragon in the ku klux klan senator doug jones of alabama successfully prosecuted two of the four men responsible for the bombing of the 16th street baptist church senator, thank you for being with me this morning first, your thoughts on your former colleague john lewis, you knew him well. >> i knew him well he is going to be missed terribly, ali, thanks for letting me share a couple of things about john. as i listened to everybody over the weekend, i think folks are just running out of words and adjectives to appropriately describing john lewis. he was more than an icon he was a symbol of unity he was a symbol of equality. and he represented hope. i mean, john's life was that unbroken thread between a painful past in this country and a hopeful future and i hope people will remember that and as you heard just a second ago, that legacy continues today

and will continue for generations to come. >> let's talk about the edmond pettus bridge. people think about john lewis as from georgia, he represented georgia for 35 years, but in fact he's a son of alabama >> that's right. he was from troy, alabama, used to prepare to his chickens because he wanted to be a prepar preacher he grew up in troy there's a lot of discussions right now about renaming that bridge i think it would be appropriate. folks in selma need to have a voice in that. there's some that want to name it the freedom bridge or something similar. i can't think of a more appropriate -- well, i can i say i couldn't think of a more appropriate thing for johnathan than to rename that bridge, but it's to pass the voting rights act that's been sitting on mitch mcconnell's desk that's how we honor the legacy

of john lewis. >> you are in a state that is largely conservative and you have a republican administration and donald trump and now his supported candidate who will be your opponent in the election. dog whistling, as we said earlier, is an insult to dogs. it's the idea that they're putting out there a fear of african-americans, of a power grab donald trump talked on thursday about the suburbs and how they're coming to get you and your property values he's turning this into a culture war and hoping it plays in states like yours. how do you get out there and say they've got the wrong agenda without playing into the fears that donald trump is fanning >> you know, ali, i think those are the fears that have fanned the flames for several years now. and particularly in the south. but i think it's wearing thin. we've got a whole new generation of people. the south, like the rest of the country, is becoming more diverse every day. and people are tired of the

division they want to see people unified. they want to have a healer in the white house. they want to have a unifier as their representatives and their senators they don't want to see the division that we've gotten in this country and that's true of alabama as well as the south, as well as the country. so what i do is i just go forward with what i believe and what i think the folks in alabama believe as well. you know, we've had so much that has changed. and i've said this for many, many years, ali. so many of the divisions really started in the south, but the south can truly be that place of healing. and i think with folks like john lewis and others, we are becoming that. and we are seeing that healing right here in alabama, right here across the country. and we're going to be that voice of unification >> we've seen several polls this week showing president trump's support collapsing across the board, whether it's on the economics of his handling of the

coronavirus, on so many matters. but again, when it comes to a conservative southern state, these appeals, whether it's about conservative -- whether it's about confederate names on bases or black lives matter, does tend to push people in their corners. how do you prevent that specifically from happening? >> well, ali, it's going to push some people into their corners for sure but, you know, there's a couple of opposite corners there as well it's not the folks that are in their corners that's going to decide this election it's those folks in the middle, both republicans, democrats, and independents, that's going to decide elections in a state like alabama, especially for the u.s. senate those folks aren't getting pushed into corners, they're getting pushed together. they're getting warned to come together because they know the only way to get things done, just as i've been able to do in the senate with the 17 bipartisan bills i've done in 2 1/2 years, that's what they want to see they know they can't progress, they know they can't get things

done if they stay in their corners. the elections will be decided by the folks in the middle, the ones who decide they want somebody there who is a leader and who will get things done for them i think i've shown that in the last couple of years and that's why we feel really good. having said that, it's going to be a tough race, i know that, in alabama for sure, and i appreciate everyone's help and i hope i can get some more but the fact is people in alabama have an independent streak they want to make sure their senator is working for them and no one else. >> senator doug jones, thank you for joining me this morning, from alabama two weeks ago the cook political report said this democratic is looking more like a democratic tsunami now, two brand-new polls released this morning show president trump lose to go joe biden. the abc news and "the washington post" survey has biden leading by 15 points nationally. the other poll, a fox news poll

showing the former vice president beating the president by eight points, 49 to 41% the cook political report has another big headline 20 races move toward democrats, highlighting a fairly grim picture for the gop, saying, quote, president trump's abysmal polling since the pandemic began is seriously jeopardizing downballot gop fortunes. we may be approaching the point at which dozens of house republicans will need to decide whether to cut the president loose and run on a "check and balance" message, offering voters insurance against congressional democrats moving too far left under a potential biden administration so far in the trump presidency we've had little indication that any republicans are willing to cut trump loose. that is, unless they're already retiring and leaving politics altogether and the trump administration itself is unlikely to change its behavior, meaning the 2020 election really could be that blue tsunami joining me now to discuss what this could mean is the cook

political reporter u.s. house editor david wasserman david, good to see you, thank you for being with us. >> great to see you. >> david, let's start with what your new polling is saying and what your new -- for people who don't follow cook as closely, you really look at all the polling out there and then determine the likelihood of a given outcome. you've switched people, both in the house and the senate, to being likely republican into being toss-ups or from toss-ups to being likely democrat explain to me what's happened. >> ali, what we're seeing across the board is a big erosion for republicans, particularly in college educated suburbs and when i talk to republican pollsters and you talk to them off the record, we have yet to see polling from swing districts that show president trump ahead.

in fact roughly one out of every six college educated voters who supported president trump in 2016 has either defected to biden or isn't voting for trump. that's a huge problem, because keep in mind, there are a number of urban hugely democratic districts where there wasn't very much room for president trump to fall in the first place. so when you see these kinds of polling drops nationally for trump, it's happening disproportionately in the battleground districts that decide who gets how many seats in congress. for example, omaha, nebraska, cincinnati, ohio, these are places were republican incumbents are struggling on the ballot because there isn't much room to run away from president trump. >> donald trump on thursday warned suburban voters that they are coming for you, they're going to reduce your property values and bring crime in. he continues to say that joe biden's in favor of defunding police which joe biden is not in

favor of defunding police, which chris wallace pointed out to him on fox news. donald trump seems to be hearing what cook is saying and realizing that he needs to shore things up where he believes he can. >> that's true, and at the same time what we're seeing from the president is an effort that is reaching into states that are unlikely to pay dividends. he's trying to shore up support in ohio, in georgia. he's trying to make a play for states that are blue enough that they won't be in a position to decide the election like new mexico meanwhile, joe biden's ad strategy is laser focused on the six states in the core battleground that are going to decide this election and those in my opinion are still florida and north carolina, arizona, wisconsin, michigan, and pennsylvania, because look, if he's winning ohio, he's already won the election

so democrats are focused on the right states in my opinion the trump campaign is kind of playing whack-a-mole >> what do you make of the effects of this? you're obviously looking at outcomes as opposed to a momentary snapshot when you're doing your calculations, is it coronavirus, is it the economy, is it the social justice movements that the president is mishandling what's most driving this remarkable change in the numbers? >> it's covid, for the most part look, american voters have reached a really negative judgment on the president's handling of the most important issue confronting the country. and republican pollsters that i talk to are alarmed that he seems to be handling the crisis by paying as little attention to it as possible that's driven his numbers into the gutter with independents and he's losing some districts

that he carried handily in 2016. fl for example, in the cincinnati district that we moved to toss-up, president trump won by 20 points in 2016. the polling now shows him down 5 or 6 points, so we're seeing double disability swings there's higher straight ticket voting than there was in the past, that means it's more difficult for republicans downballot, challengers and incumbents alike that means many of them are going to need to decide whether they want to cut the president loose and argue to voters that there should be a check on democrats in congress moving too far left >> dave, good to talk to you, david wasserman, the u.s. house editor at the cook political report more than 30 million americans are claiming unemployment benefits right now. that's 30 million human beings

struggling to eat, to pay rent, and to get decent health care. and the president just made it even worse i'll leave you with the words of john lewis quote, there comes a time when you have to say something, you have to make a little noise, you have to move your feet this is the time uh uh, no way come on, no no n-n-n-no-no only discover has no annual fee on any card.

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supporters would eliminate the fair hog us patrol put in place to reduce community desegregati desegregation. trump says, they're going to put people into the suburbs. you can probably guess what he means by people. the yet is smashing all sorts of reported 5.4 million americans have lost health care due to the crisis. we have shown you this image before but the c.a.r.e.s. act bolstered unemployment runs out this month this as current estimates say at least 32 million americans are on unemployment insurance right now and the congressional budget office predicts 25 million americans will stay unemployed through the next five months joining me is william barber, the cochair of the poor people's

campaign he's a plan of the cloth, but really, reverend barber, the conversations are in my wheelhouse, about the economy because you are concerned about the poverty that existed when we thought the economy was good when we had okay economic growth, we still had 30 million people unsecure. food unsecure every day. we had many homeless and numbers that you quote that are much larger about the working people. people who have full-time jobs but can't afford basic things. we have seen a study this week, reverend, in 95% of u.s. counties, people can't rent a one bedroom apartment. it has gotten worse. >> it has, and trump was just running the old white southern strategy because he's trying to keep black and white, poor and lower people from coming together and realizing that they need to be voting together and standing together.

because i'm a preacher, you know, over 2,000 scriptures in the bible that talk about how nations deal with the poor and the least of these wall street does not tell you what's happening on back roads and back streets we have 80 million people either uninsured or underinsured. there's not one county in this entire country where people working a minimal wage job can afford a basic two-bedroom apartment. tomorrow, black lives matter, poor people's campaign, fciu and others are joining together for for a strike, it's a strike, because workers and poor people are coming together. i would say to democrats and other it's not the middle that's going to save you, it's talking to poor and low wealth people because any place in this country, if you were to get 10 to 15% of poor people to vote, you fundamentally shift the elections. but more than that, we have got

millions of people facing eviction in the middle of a pandemic we still have not passed a bill that guarantees workers health care and sick leave and unemployment and forgiveness on their rent i had a lady say the other day, you call it a heroes bill but we still feel like sow zeros. we have to fix this and move on it now. >> you're talking about evictions. i want to let the viewers know what you're talking about. -- prohibited foreclosures until july 24th. we're almost there in response to the pandemic and the deadline is approaching and congress does not have plan to extend that so in other words, millions of people could be evicted within a week. >> exactly and that's why what we're saying at this strike tomorrow, black lives matter and sciu and poor

people's campaign and others, if you are concerned about debt, you can't just be concerned about police violence as a racial issue you have to be concerned about, but you have to be concerned about economic violence because some 700 people die every day from poverty a quarter million people a year. in the face of john lewis' passing i have been reading his speeches particularly the one from the march on washington people forget he opened that speech and said, we are here for jobs and justice he then talked about any bill that does not care for the sharecropper who gets arrested for -- thrown off the land for trying to register to vote or the maid who works for $5 a day in a household that earns $100,000 is not good enough. he challenged the democrats at that time, we must do right by the poor and the least of these. and i pray that in this moment our politicians will hear that they're skimming it a little bit

but we're hoping with the strike tomorrow to make it even more clear. this is not a left position. it is a constitutional position. it is a moral position you cannot establish justice when you have 80 million people uninsured or underinsured. you can't establish justice when you have 140 million people poor or low wealth in this country and you do not address the issues facing them. >> you are right, sir. thank you for the work that you are doing and thank you for telling us about the strike that is occurring tomorrow. reverend barber, the president of the repairers of the breach you can catch me throughout the week right here on msnbc and of course back here saturday and sunday mornings from 8:00 to 10:00 a.m. eastern. up next, sad that i'm not going to say this much longer, the coverage continues on "a.m. joy. thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer,

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good morning and welcome to a very special edition of "a.m. joy. the final "a.m. joy" with me, the joy part of that title in this seat. the nation is still reeling from the sad news that congressman and civil rights icon john lewis who spent his entire life fighting for justice from the edmund pettus bridge to the halls of congress and whose courage and grace encouraged us to get into good trouble died at the age of