hey, there i'm joshua johnson good to be with you headlines. another chaotic night. what is the law say about all this president trump versus the cdc. new reports suggest the president is trying to stop billions of dollars in funding the agency needs to fight coronavirus. we'll see what he is saying today about who is responsible for the pandemic response and why he says a payroll tax cut must be part of any new stimulus bill we begin in portland where officials are telling president trump's federal police to go home that follows scenes like this of unidentified officers picking protests off the street and putting them in unmarked vans. the officers are making things worse says the portland mayor.

>> take these people out of our city they are hurting us and escalating an already dangerous situation. what i want to do is raise awareness nationally this could happen in your city what we're seeing is a blatant abuse of police tactics by the federal government, by trump administration that's falling in the polls and this is a direct threat to our democracy. >> today president trump tweeted quote, we are trying to help portland, not hurt it. their leadership has lost control of the anarchists and agitators. they are missing in action we must protect federal property and our people, unquote. now, oregon's attorney general is suing the federal agencies saying they unlawfully detained protesters let's discuss it now with professor maya wiley let me start with you. what does the law say about the

way these federal officers are on the ground dealing with these proteste protesters are they allowed to do this? >> let's start with the fact that donald trump is the greatest menace to society that we have right now. what he has done is essentially said i'm going to send federal employees as agents of the federal government, untrained in any of the tactics of safe, quote, unquote, riot control and what we're seeing is apparently from the video abusing the constitutional rights of people who have a free speech right to demonstrate. i saw in some videos excessive force that was unconstitutional and the fact they are hiding the identity, there's unmarked fans that people are thrown into it really suggests something that every one should be quite

concerned about about the constitutionality of a president who has decided he is the sole protector and enforcer of whatever he believes should be protected and enforced at a time when we have no question that local law enforcement is the appropriate agency to address whatever is happening in their jurisdiction, we have a president that is doing what is unprecedented. the courts will decide i'm seeing what appears to be constitutional violations. >> malcolm what's your sense of what mayor is saying that the presence is adding fuel to the fir fire. >> they are right. you have the entire local county and state jurisdictions literally telling the united states government not to bring in these unmarked forces, not to

go around and carry out these ext extrajudicial arrests and you have the president of the united states, the director of homeland security, acting director of homeland security, literally telling local government, state government that they don't care what they think. the flimsy premiez of this action is suppose dod d to be a federal courthouse was defaced with grafitti and they were carrying out selected arrests. i worked in and out of baghdad for a period of over ten years and this the direction action go out and snatch targets that you have suspicions of is what we would do when we wanted to rendition or take down terrorist cell leaders who in their right mind thought this up. it's not intelligence based. it's essentially law enforcement agencies being cobbled together as a thugocracy to create a

secret police force that the president and attorney general can direction against american citizens maya is right. it's unprecedented >> professor, there was a letter sent moments ago by three leaders in congress calling for an investigation into the federal officers actions it comes from house judiciary chairman gerald nad her, benny thompson and carolyn maloney they are calling for the inspector general of the doj and homeland security to look into there. professor, how might an investigation like that work >> inspectors general who donald trump dislikes and usual lly us his power to silence them with a pink slip doesn't like they can go to the documents and demand the documents that are internal. they cannot be with held they can interview, they can ask for the identities of these

agents who were not identifying themselves to the public they can find out who they are they can interview them. they can ask them about their orders it's incredibly important that we have independent of agencies for exactly this kind of extremely dangerous behavior on the part of the federal government let me just make one other point that i think is important. it's not just whether the inspector generals go in and investigate this the republican party should be up in arms right now they are the party that doesn't like any federal intrusion into the powers of state and local government where is the outrage about this completely unprecedented act from a president we already saw and a bill barr we already saw cleaning a square in washington, d.c. this is exactly the kind of thing that should be

non-partisan it's not about party it's fundamentally about patriotism and any kind of failty to the u.s. constitution. >> suppose all of these federal officers left, suppose they were all just gone. what should local and state officials do next? >> if they disappear from the streets, you won't know it because this action was not going on a week ago. it's very new and they have been using that flimsy premice they are protecting federal buildings and defending federal officers portland has its own police force. it hasmayor. they are responsible for the streets of portland, oregon. the governor has her own resources that she can apply there. why the president of the united states would send forces around the united states and i

understand that the head of the police union in chicago has just asked for the same type of action to be carried out there none of this -- the legalities of this i'll leave up to professor wiley in is absolutely unprecedented. there are right wing extremist groups who swear their loyalty to their little bands that they will not -- u.s. government forces and law enforcement shouldn't participate in actions against american citizens and voila, they are great supporters of president trump's use of this, i'm quoting russell, secret police force. >> this whole thing seems to prover the point of the protesters in portland that we as a society, when we see a problem, we throw law enforce m ment at it even if law enforcement is

perceived as a problem as the protesters would assert, the problem that we use -- the solution we use to throw at the problem of law enforcement is more law enforcement this appears to be making the protesters point for them. >> well, i would argue this is lawless enforcement. this is actually outside of the bounds of what anyone understood out of the institution or laws of congress to permit. can we assume there will be some arguments that we will hear from this white house about why this is legal sure this is a president who made an argument in june that he could send the military in to essentially act as law enforcement over u.s. citizens that's not how our system of government works it is not lawful it's not lawful when local police violate the constitutional rights of citizens and residents

it's equally unlawful when it is done by federal agents and i would say even more concerning because of essential lly the way we have separated powers one of the reasons is accountability we're having a debate in this country about how the hold local law enforcement accountable for the violation of rights of people who are supposed to be under their protection in this case we have this being done in secrecy. malcolm is right when he says it's like a private police force. we don't have any window in to who is doing it and how to hold them accountable that's one of the reasons why we need it to be local law enforcement. this is lawlessness. >> malcolm, i don't want to deal too much in hyperbole, but if we were talk about any other part of the world, we would be talking about the police presence that comes in a

crackdown and also contend to radicalize people in other parts of the world if we were talking about turkey, if we were talking about syria, if we were talking about parts of ukraine, maybe even poland, some of the concerns would be different. some of the images would be the same i don't want to read too much into what might come of this later, but since you have expertise in counter terrorism, how do you see the potential future of this i don't know that we're moving toward anything like turkey, but where do you see this going? >> as an intelligence professional, i have to see the dots as they exist right now related to the activities of this administration. then i have to pair it off based

on the experience i've seen from other parts of the world and my experience with the community. syria has a secret intelligence service that the sole functions is to snatch civilians off the streets who are enemy of state, take them to secret prisons, torture them and kill them we have seen this with stephen smith who referred to attorney general bar as the first american interior general. which is used in totalitarian government who is is the paramilitary enforcer of those regimes. hussein has this the origin arj -- they would flm

over the ocean these things are done all over the world but never in the united states. my job was the defend this nation for more than three decades and now i'm seeing the first signs of totalitarianism through the use of a police force. they were cobbled together from borders and customs officers who should nowhere be nowhere near portland, oregon, federal protective service they operate the x-ray man at the house, senate and other federal buildings, swat teams from the secret service and these other groups and made into a police force they don't exist as a police force but done under an executive order that directed homeland security to create this

thing he called protecting america's cities task force. this is insane it really needs to be called out. people need to be held accountable personally including the officers who participate in this either there's going to been aabuse and the question is whether americans citizens die during kapttivety or one of these arrests because someone who don't know who they are and defends themselves with firearms >> last ten seconds professor wiley. if you're a protester in one of these hard to identify federal officers approaches you, what are your rights? very briefly >> your rights are to ask who they are why they are -- if they are trying to arrest you, why and looking for legal observers and asking for legal counsel as soon as you can >> appreciate you both making so much time for us thanks very much coming up, coronavirus cases are rising sharply in much of

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america is more than four months into the coronavirus pandemic cases are steadily rising. since day one the president has insisted the virus will disappear. he stuck with that claim during his latest interview with fox news >> i'll be right eventually. i will be right eventually i said, it's going to disappear. it's going to disappear. i'll be right. i don't think so you why it doesn't discredit me because i've been right probably more than anybody else >> this might help explain a new abc news washington post poll. most americans say they trust joe biden significantly more than the president to handle the

outbreak it's so good to see you. let me start with you and i'll work my way over the you the white house's reaction to this poll, to these poll numbers, seems pretty straight ahead. even in that interview, as soon as chris wallace, the interviewer, showed president trump those numbers, the president immediately said the numbers were bad fox news polls aren't very good. i'll turn out to be right in the end. it sounds like there is no strategy shift >> no. the president has always discounted public polls because the lesson he learned from 2016 is that polls and every one else was wrong and his instingtss were right he doesn't like to be tole he's

wrong. a lot of people in the white house like to show him news clips and pieces of data that are positive for him that's what he is showing internally they are shown polls, they are presented to him with a positive spin and no, he believes that these are skewed that republicans aren't polled as much as democrats he dismisses it and thinks the magic in a bottle he captured in 2016 could happen again. >> president trump also took aim at dr. anthony fauci during the interview. here is part of what he said >> he said don't wear masks. he told me not to ban clhina i did it over and bovr his recommendation he said you saved tens of thousands of lives, more than that he said you saved tens of thousands of lives dr. fauci has made some mistakes >> you've written about how this

feud has played out over the last few weeks some polls suggest that the american people on both sides of the aisle, do trust anthony fauci quite a bit. trust him more than other officials and more than the president. where does this go >> this isn't something trump can message his way through with bluster and the bombastic rhetoric he's used in the past if we look at previous crisis this president has faced like the russia investigation oar the impeachment investigation, they have been seismic events they were largely contained to trump and those around him that's not the case with a pandemic that's affected more than 3.7 million americans and killed over 140,000 people in this country people are seeing this disease affect their friends and family. they are seeing it decimate the economy. this isn't something he can say

is a hoax perpetrated by the fake news media or something we can bowl his way through the way he has in past i think that's why we're seeing polling reflect that it's showing that people are not buying his rhetoric on this. >> the wall street journal had health clinics in minority communities being hit hard by the coronavirus pandemic, especially low cost and free health clinics it noted that about 2,000 health center sites have been closing temporarily. others are not sure they will be able to stay afloat financially. it seems like all of these factors keep showing up to just compounpound the impact on minoy communities as the pandemic grows as if there wasn't enough to fuel the pandemic and make it harder for the u.s. to come out of this on the other side. >> look, covid-19 did not create

inequality is it exposing it. black and brown families are far more likely to be under insured or uninsured even years after the affordable care act. they are likely to get less in savings or reserves that can get them through a time when employment is sporadic or a sec wage earning has lost the job or primary wage earner has lost his or her overtime. the margins are a lot thinner if you're wearing a thinner coat. when the weather chills, you get cold first going to 2008, it took years for families to recover in 2008 and 2 2009 and recession >> the trump administration is reportedly trying to block funding for state testing and contact tracing in the next

stimulus bill. what's the rationale behind that >> this is in line with a war on science that the president has been acting out now for months it's in line with undercutting fauci whose advice run, creates problem for the desire to reopen schools. the president said more testing equals more numbers. he wants it to allow him to continue with the reopening even though science has proven that's not safe >> briefly, before we move on, some republican senators are breaking with the president. his stance on funding for their

states this has got to be complicating things it's not as if americans don't need the help now. >> it's a telling sign that people from the president's own party are breaking from him on this issue because it directly undermines his argument that the fake news media is over inflating these numbers and they are trying to do it to make him look bad when there's senators from your own party that said you should not cut funding to their states to combat this pandemic and to conduct more research into it, that clearly hurts the president's campaign which i think he and his aides are all aware of which is why we have seen this effort over the last couple of weeks by his campaign to sideline him from the coronavirus briefings that he held daily early on in pandemic. >> thanks very much. let's go back to story we started with this hour oregon's governor, attorney general are telling the trump

administration to remove federal forces they've been arresting protesters on the streets of portland late friday night the attorney general's office filed a lawsuit against the administration the suit alleges that it violated the civil rights of oregonians by seizing and detaining them without cause joining us on phone is the attorneys general. welcome. >> thank you so much it's great to be with you. >> what's the goal of the lawsuit? what do you hope will come of it >> right we are resorting to the courts our political leaders here in oregon politely and firmly asked the federal agencies to leave oregon, to leave portland. they refuse to do so things are escalating. they are getting worse, not better as a result of their presence this is what state attorneys general do we bring lawsuits. we have been very successful suing donald trump and federal agencies over the last four years and we're doing it again

i will tell you that as a former federal prosecutor myself, as a judge for over 20 years in oregon courts and now as attorney general, the conduct that we're seeing by these federal agents here on our streets is among the most disturbing abuses of power i've seen in my life. we bringing this lawsuit is a very straightforward lawsuit we are asking for a deck laratin that the tactics that are being use. federal law agents, although are unidentified pulling people off our streets without probable cause. using unmarked cars and unidentified officers, taking them somewhere apparently to the federal courthouse in one instance releasing them after scaring them we are bringing this action alleging violations of our citizens first amendment rights to gather in peaceful protest. also in violation of the fourth amendment on reasonable

seizures the fifth amendment due process clause, the public nuisance clause and we're asking a very straightforward for an injunction permanently restraining these defendants, all of these federal agencies from engaging in these tactics >> just to be clear, if these officers were better identified, if they change their tactics, perhaps if portland police served as the shift commanders for all of these federal officers, would you allow them to stay or do you just want them gone >> so, our governor and our mayor have asked them to leave this lawsuit does not directly ask the court to order them to leave but it does ask the court to require them to identify themselves and their agencies before detaining or arresting anyone off the sfreets of oregon it's asked them to order that the federal agents explain to any person who is detained or arrested that the person is being detained or arrested and

explain why and not to arrest anyone without probable cause or a warrant. these people who are being stopped and detained and taken away do not know who is taking them they are extremely frightened. >> i would like to get your reaction to what president said about what's happening in portland in his fox news interview. listen >> if you look at what's gone on in portland, those are anarch t anarchis anarchists if we didn't take a stand, we have arrested many of these leaders, if we didn't take that stand right now you would have a problem like -- they were going to lose portland >> before let you go, have the federal officers done any good has this reached a point where portland does need help to restore order? >> oregonians will not be scared or silenced by this administration my constituents will show up and protest racism and police

brutality and support the plabl lives matter movement until we see change from all leaders in white house. i will support their right to do so every step of the way bp the answer to your question is no. no, they've done no good at all. they don't have any training, the ones they have sent and they acknowledged it in how to deescalate they're not experts. for all i know they are first office agents out on their first trip to the west coast and they do not know what they are doing and make things a whole lot worse. we need them to leave. >> oregon attorney general, we appreciate your time thanks very much >> thank you for having me before we move on, a quick programming note that has a will the of us proud. joy reid is moving to primetime. her new show, the reid out is first guest is hillary clinton set your dvr during this break for the reid out with joy reid

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i think it's send a message that we would not fwif up on johnson. we will not give up on fairness and we will continue to press and press on for what is right, for what is fair and what is just >> that was the late congressman john lewis speaking last month about the black lives matter protest. even in poor health he remained on the forfront. to today in atlanta the community grieves for his loss he died on friday. priscilla, what do you see >> reporter: a huge out pouring of support for the late congressman. a steady stream of folks coming here all day i think more than what we saw

yesterday to pay their respects in this memorial has grown significantly. so many of the people i met have described some interaction whether that was a handshake at an event or march here in atlanta or dropping by his office in washington, d.c. you really get the sense he made time for his constituents and one woman struck me. i saw her holding the hand of her daughter, 77-year-old woman really pressing her way and laboring her way to make it i to the wall and this mural to lay her flowers. i spoke with her and said what compelled you to come here and i want you to take a listen to what he told me. >> john was a very good friend of mine. we were very active in the movement he was more like a brother to me than a friend.

i was in complete shock when i found out that he had passed i just keep him in my prayers and thank god for having him because he was truly a blessing. >> reporter: he paid tribute with her mask on given we are in middle of a pandemic she said she couldn't miss this moment to pay her respects so many people here in the community remembering him and paying tribute to him on this weekend. joshua >> we're still waiting on details regarding that, right in. >> reporter: right no word on that yet. i spoke with representatives from the family earlier today who told me they looking at how to balance representative lewis' sf services with the services of

c.t. vivian ta wihat will be happener here and wanting to make sure there's space for people the northern the lives of both of those men. hopefully we'll be getting more details on that in the next couple of days >> thanks. just ahead, president trump is telling supporters he wants to roll back a key federal fair housing program. americans nationwide are suffering economically from the coronavirus pandemic, including possible losing their homes. that is next ♪ thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of the body,

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last night president trump told supporters that he plans to end the affirm tifrly furthering fair housing program it's a legal requirement that's part of the fair housing act afah helps participants in the program get fair housing without racial bias or discrimination. coronavirus has forced 32% of u.s. households to miss their housing payments or only pay part of them major dead lieps alines are app with the end of moratoriums on evictio evictions. millions of americans are still

out of work unable the pay bills or catch up. what happens next? joining us is an economist of bennett college. i wonder if you could give us your sense of what this would mean the president tweeted about ending afah back in june now he's talking more about following through on that. what would ending this program mean give me an example of what one of the deeper impacts might be >> there are three things going on thanks for having me on. first of all, this is a roll back from 1968 the fair housing act made it possible for people to have equal access to housing and to avoid discrimination in the lending process. the roll this back with the language that the president has done is really to -- i won't call it dog whistle. it's like a bull horn, to his people that's number one. number two, when you look at what's happening now because of

coronavirus, and talking about 32%, a third of all people who weren't able to pay their bills, if evictions go through, you'll talk about a couple things more homelessness but more people doubling and tripling up. people are not likely to say to their relative, you can't bunk up with me they're going to be tripling up at a time when we know that people can't maintain social distance or physical distance at a time like this the third thing is that even the realtors, even the association of realtors has said this is ill timed. they don't want to do this now this is this president, again, i don't want to use the word dog whistles, because it's bull horns, telling people how he wants to discriminate. >> it's worth noting that if you make minimum wage in this country, there's no state in the 50 states, where you can afford to rent a two bedroom apartment, anywhere in the u.s.

that's another -- go ahead >> if it's a couple, both making minimum wage, they still can't afford it. fst a couple with two kids, either they are cramped up into a one bedroom apartment or nothing. if you look at d.c., new york, san francisco, chicago, major metropolis metropolises, people can't afford it. these places cannot operate without these low wage workers that's the conondrum you can make it affordable but what will you do about the dish washers, the people that clean the office buildings how long of a commute are you imposing on them >> what kind of aid do you hope to see in the next relief bill or are there other forms of aids that maybe states might provide to help people struggling with housing right now.

>> first of all, the extra 600 a week i think is really important. i think we really need to look at issues of housing stock and how we deal with the fact that as we both have said, in most of our major cities, housing is pretty much unavailable to low wage workers i think the third thing that we need to really look at is many cities have had e convictivicti moratoriums and they are running out and what do we do about that that's had ripple effects. i own a building and an eviction moratorium but my mortgage company has not given me a m moratorium >> i looked up the tweet last month where the president alluded to this. he tweeted, this was back in the end of june. he wrote, at the request of many great americans who live in the

suburbs and others, i am studying this affh housing regulation that's having a devastating impact on these once thriving suburban areas. corrupt joe biden wants to make them much worse. not fair to homeowners i may end, unquote last ten seconds what's your reaction to that helping the suburbs. what does that mean? >> prince george county in maryland is the wealthiest african-american centered county in the country you don't hear that from them. this is a racist dog whistle that doesn't need to be out there. people need to call this man on this we could have a thriving housing market if there was some tweaks to the economy and paid attention to what coronavirus has done to all of us. >> appreciate your making time thanks very much >> thank you coming up, a strike for black lives. tens of thousands of people are said to walk off the job

tomorrow we'll sfepeak to the president f the sciu about strike and its goals, next.

john lewis once said, when you see something not right, not fair, not just, you have to speak up you have to say something, you have to do something tomorrow protesters against systemic racism say they will do just that. tens of thousands of workers plan to walk off their jobs in a strike for black lives across

more than 25 cities. the service employees international union says fast food, nursing home, ride share and other workers plan to walk out for 8:46 that is the amount of time that george floyd was pinned under the knee of a minneapolis police officer before he died joining us now is mary kay henry, the president of the sciu what is the goal of the walkout? what do you hope to accomplish >> we want to invite the fight for justice. i hope that congressman lewis would be proud of the tens of thousands of workers that have made the courageous decision to strike, and the millions more who are joining us online, and will take solidarity actions that you just described in honoring the life and memory of george floyd for 8:46.

also in joining with the demand for black lives, that we have to win justice on every front in the black community. and this has grown from 25 cities to 200 cities just in the past couple of days. and 12 dozen countries around the world are expressing their support for our demand that we have to have justice in black communities, that we want every elected official to rewrite the rules, to end structural racism, and economic inequality, and that we are calling on corporations not just to say that black lives matter but to actually prove that black lives matter by how they pay black workers, how they provide personal protective equipment, and to allow working people the right to freely join together in a union. >> let me get your reaction to something the president said when he was asked in a fox news interview when he was asked about the black lives matter

movement >> kunlds why blacks would be angry at that? >> of course i do. many, many whites are killed this is going on for decades this is going on for a long time >> do you think that americans really at this point get the issue? the president from what he said is kind of all over the place a little bit briefly before i let you go, what is your sense of where america's thoughts are on this issue of police reform, before i go >> i think that america's thoughts are based on experience as a white woman, in this country, i've never had to talk to a child about how to behave if the police were to approach them and that's a common occurrence for a black parent and brown parents in this nation so i think what the black lives matter movement together with climate activists and working

people from all across the labor movement on monday will show that our fights for justice are inextricably linked. that as a nation, we have to answer the call of this reckoning moment and understand that what the president spoke about isn't at all the lived experience of black america in this country. and it is on each of us to make the case that we are not going to take it anymore enough is enough and we have to join together and change the systems and structures once and for all. >> mary kay henry, thank you for making time with us and thank you all for making time for us today. stick around senator mark warner of virginia joins us ahead i'll see you back here at 9:00 eastern. politics nation is next on msnbc. i am robert strickler.

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