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>> i think that ft. bragg,' robert e. lee, that have been named that way for a long time, decades and decades -- >> excuse me i don't care what the military says i'm supposed to make the decision go to the community. say how do you like the idea of renaming ft. bragg and then what do we name it? are you going to name it after the reverend al sharpton >> i appreciate the boost, mr. president, and i do have parents from the south let me say this. why not name it after people who served in the military for this country, rather than traitors? name it after the first person in the american revolution to die to make the country free he was a black man name it after one of the tuskegee airmen, who you knew in new york, who served in the armed forces when it was still segregated why not take seriously the
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contributions of people that those that have these military bases named after them, fought to either keep them enslaved and in free servitude and treated them as less than human. that's what mr. bragg and mr. lee stood for. they were military officers that fought to overthrow a government that you now lead. besides, it is really a tribute fit for departed statesmen like the late john lewis, who the president honored mildly with his proclamation that flags fly at half-mast on federal grounds yesterday. this of course includes a white house built by slaves and military bases name for confederate generals the irony was not lost on me this weekend that a civil rights icon, the great grandson of slaves, would be revered in this way and by this president.
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not while there's still plenty of confederate monuments standing in lewis' home state of georgia. monuments donald trump has turned into a battle cry for his flagging, for his failing re-election campaign but then, much like his insults on lewis while lewis was alive, the president intentionally boxed himself into a corner with voters of color. elevating racists by dismissing the concerns of those who insift that black lives matter. and as the pandemic continues to wreak havoc of historic proportions on the american people, while still taking a disproportionate physical and physical toll on black america in the form of confederacy president trump has insisted on a course that will endanger
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minority lives and their school age children, while his party falls behind him to suppress their votes. lots to cover tonight so let's get started. joining me now is senator mark warner, democrat of virginia senator, thanks for being with us this evening. talking about confederate statutes, right in virginia, there is the movement to remove confederate statues. certainly the whole fight in charlottesville where the president saw fine people on both sides, even those that were neo-nazis, saying jews will not replace us how are you dealing with the confederate statues in your home state? >> well, i think it's time and local leaders across virginia have decided it's time for these statues to come down you pointed out in your open should we be celebrating these
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individuals who rose up against the united states of america and it is time to bring them down it is also from the federal standpoint, i'm joined with my friend corey booker to make sure that we can replace statues in statuary hall as well. and i think your comments about the president, when he threatens to literally veto the defense authorization bill, one of the most important bills that congress passes each year, because the congress at the recommendation of the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general milley who said it is time for these bases to be renamed when in america 20% of our armed forces are made up of black americans, let's respect their service and take down the names. as you heard from the president, he dismisses the leaders of the military, this is someone who is about splitting our nation not trying to heal us at all >> and not telling the truth
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about those that fought to save the nation when i name people, i'm talking about people who fought to save the union that he's the president of but let me go to another issue that very much involves you. perhaps john lewis, the greatest legislative passion was the protection of voting rights. earlier this month, you cautioned as restrictions are put in place around the covid-19 threat, we could see what has not been seen since the jim crow era. i wanted to hear you explain how and why. >> well, first of all, as we all mourn the passing of mr. lewis, i think we should rededicated ourselves to make sure we have the biggest turnout in america's history. nothing would be a greater tribute to mr. lewis than reinforcing that right to vote
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i fear voter suppression can come about in two ways one, with foreign powers trying once again the way russia did in 2016 to intervene and try to suppress votes by putting up fake identities, particularly with black americans which is what was done in 2016. second, some states could use the notion that people are, the coronavirus is an effort to either try to shut down polling stations you already have donald trump trying to encourage and discourage people from voting by mail, which is a safe and effective and fraudulent freeway of voting. you have the trump white house encouraging people not to vote by mail, and then you can have governors in certain states say, we're willing to shut down polling stations because of an upsurge of covid-19. my fear as well that people might have extra levels of testing before they came in to
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vote it is why we need to reinforce as we did in virginia, early voting, voting by mail, and we've made election day a holiday in virginia so people who work, working americans, can have a chance to exercise their democratic rights as well. >> i must ask ou i understand you've teamed up with senators to invest in minority and low income communities. it is expected to be unveiled tomorrow exactly what does it address, senator? >> well, we've been joined by greg meeks, chuck schumer, the naacp, the national urban league, the black economic alliance, because as you know, rev, we have to deal with voting rights and civil rights. but if there is not actual economic rights in this country, then they're still going to be the challenges of systemic racism and we have seen even since covid, over 440,000 black
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businesses shut down twice the rate of shutting down for white businesses my background, as you know, was as a venture capitalist. i've owned many businesses, many black-owned businesses the challenge to get access to capital which has been a problem for 40 years has only been exacerbated by the covid virus so let's make structural change. we will lay out tomorrow the most significant investment in black owned banks, in financial institutions >> my concern on that, you know i worked hard with some in the black business community and with speaker pelosi and also talked with treasury secretary mnuchin, a lot of the moneys that went to small businesses and businesses in the first stimulus never got passed into
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the hands of the black business people and small business people of color the cdfis, the mdis, all structured in a way that a lot of money was gone before we got any of our businesses through the red tape and all kinds of procedures that was necessary. will there be a way in this bill where money is set aside to go visit with cdfis and mdis that have targeted, making sure that black businesses get their share of the money this time >> this is exactly the focus the ppe program where we spent $600 billion, went to traditional banking institutions many black-owned businesses, almost 2 million are sole proprietors so they have oftentimes built their business literally from their own cash flows, from borrowing from family and friends they didn't have the prior
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existing banking relationships so when the money went to traditional banks, they went to their normal customers they were not the black-owned businesses this bill is 100% focused on minority institutions and cdfis which by definition have to have over 60% of their lending into low income and minority communities. this will be a game changer. because what it will do, three things very briefly. there will be some direct grant money. the ability to upgrade technology many times they don't have enough back office regulations there will be $7 billion of tier one capital that will go into these banks and institutions, and in certain cases, it will double or triple the capacity. and the third program is we're saying these institutions ought to get the same opportunities that bank of america and jpmorgan has to take their loans as they make new loans, take them and sell them off to the
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federal reserve or other entities so they continue to renew their capability to put out more capacity. >> i'm out of time but that is very important and we're certainly going to stay on this issue on this show and other platforms that i have. i'm very, very interested in that because i witnessed the opposite happen the first time. senator mark warner, thank you for being with us tonight. joining me now to talk about the legacy of the late john lewis, two democratic congress women. fredericka wilson of florida and lucy mcbeth of georgia you both voted for the floyd act and as police reform stalls in congress, i want to give your response to president trump with fox news again talking disproportionate policing as he sees it >> many whites are killed, also. many, many whites are killed of the i hate to say it but this is going on for
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decades. this is going on for a long time long before i got here >> your reaction, congresswoman wilson the fact police brutality has been going on for a long time. the fact that it has been racial and the proportion of blacks killed to whites, blacks killed at 3.5 times more by police than whites he's dealing with numbers. there are millions more whites in the country than black. but the fact that it has gone on does not answer whether or not he will sign and support the bill that the house of representatives has put through, named after george floyd, that the congressional black caucus and speaker pelosi and others helped to get through house and is sitting on mitch mcconnell's desk and he won't even bring it to the floor of the senate
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>> i think he answered the question the main reason he should pass it is because it has been going on a long time all the way back since slavery when they called them foot patrol we didn't have police officers during slavery we only got those after the slaves were free so that's the reason why we need to address police brutality and stop it in its tracks right now. and that's a comprehensive bill that is supported by 80% of americans, and so many people are so disturbed that the senate will not take up this bill police officers that we know, that work with the 5,000 role model of excellence project, they support the bill. they want the bill to pass and they are concerned about the school to prison pipe line, and how these children are stopped on the street, they get a criminal record just because of the interaction with the
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policeman, and then next thing we know, they're shipping them off to prison. so we have to get ahold of this and we have to pass this bill, and mr. trump has it right for once it's about time. because it's been going on a very long time >> absolutely. and that's part of the key in this march we're doing in washington and all of us around the anniversary of the march around passing the floyd bill, but let me bring up another issue, just as passingate in the mind of john lewis who certainly supported this bill. congresswoman, you shared with john lewis a passion for gun control. and you wrote an open letter for essence magazine praising the congressman for leading the day-long sit-in on the house floor. after the pulse nightclub
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massacre in florida. what does his loss mean to you and to the gun control movement, especially as we've seen violence rising in our communities in recent weeks? >> well, his loss is profoundly felt all around the world and more specifically, the nation. my father and my mother are also civil rights leaders and volunteers in the civil rights movement and i remember in 2016, i remember that day, i was actually in washington i was leading the charge i was speaking to the very colleagu colleagues, the representative who's are now my colleagues to support background sales for all gun sales. as i was coming back to atlanta, i got word that representative lewis was on the floor having a sit-in urging the house to pass sensible gun safety legislation. i went home, unpacked my bag, went right back to the airport and flew right back to
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washington and as representative lewis and all of my colleagues were on the floor conducting a sit-in, a peaceful sit-in, to make sure we're moving toward a more comprehensive way to keep people safe in our communities from unnecessary gun violence, i was leading the charge i was leading a rally on the outside of the capitol and it was so profound for me because i understood the impact for so many generations, leading inexclusive and diverse in keeping justice for everybody. and i just really, it was a phenomenal day for me to actually help in a parallel movement on the outside of the capital to help usher in people standing up for what's right and i was a part of. movement with him. and it is just, it has been phenomenal for me to be able to think about that >> and i'll remind our viewers,
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you lost a son to gun violence in an incident that was absolutely despicable. congresswoman wilson, on friday you joined your state's delegation in the house calling on your governor ronald desantis to issue another stay-at-home order along with a mask mandate. he has of course declined citing the state's economy. what does he not get that he should in your view? >> i think that desantis is walking lockstep with the president. you have to remember that he owes his election to president trump. he did not win that election just outright. we have proof that the russians interfered in that election. so he has to do what the president says i have been researching how to
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impeach this governor. i think he should be impeached because we have a majority of republican house and senate that's the only way. but i'm calling on him to know and understand that he is a murderer he is murdering people all across north because people are dying every day. the only thing we're asking him to do is to put a statewide mandate in place to wear a mask wherever they go and to call down businesses that we know how to express we're running out of holiday space. we're running out of ppe for everyone then he's insisting that we open schools. we have not even done enough research on children, first of
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all, to know how the coronavirus affects them remember when we closed school in march, we shelter all the children into their homes. so we don't know how this coronavirus will affect them so he's putting children at risk he's putting people at risk. and he's murdering people every single solitary day. and i call on him. it's very simple just say, everyone stay home and if you can't stay home, wear a mask wash your hands and stay six feet away from anyone. that's all we're asking him. very simple. >> congressman mcbath, i'm out of time but i want to ask you as a congresswoman from the state of georgia that served side by side, district side by side, with john lewis, what do you
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hope the nation remembers most about john lewis you're the daughter of civil rights activists you're the mother of a young man slain in a racial attack you more than anyone as the neighboring congresswoman to his district, got a sense of what he men to the world but also to georgiians and to you personally what do you want to remember about john lewis >> what i want the world and the country to remember about john lewis is that he was an icon he was an icon who stood up to make our country safer to fight for the civil and human rights he was every human being. he worked to make sure that we were equal, and that everyone was safe he was an american hero. and we all have, we're all stake holders. we are all tasked with the responsibility to carry on the torch, the mantle that he gave
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us he set the stage he created the platform. we are charged with following in the same vein that he carried on nonviolence, civil and human justice for all. and i just think that we have such a debt of gratitude to him. we really, really do and i am so grateful and so thankful that myself and my colleagues have had the ability to be able to serve with a legendary icon who really has made the world a different place. >> all right my thanks to both congresswoman wilson and mcbath. joining me now, thank you both for being with me let me start with this according to his niece, this is the same president who offered up condolences to john lewis
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listen >> to pressure you on this a little bit, have you ever heard him express either anti-semitic slurs or the "n" word or other sentiments like that >> of course, i did. i don't think that should surprise anybody given how veer lenlly racist he is today. >> have you heard the president use the "n" word >> yeah. >> this is his niece now, many of us in the civil rights community have called him a racist many public figures in all walks of life. but this is his niece. susan, how damaging is this to the president? certainly already believed that is one thing but will this affect independent voters? >> independent voters, anyone who is leaning toward not supporting donald trump, they know this about him. this has been baked in since when he announced he was running
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and went after mexicans, calling them rapists and murderers so the only thing that's interesting here is that you have a member of the family validating everything you thought. it is a little different coming from a family member saying of course he's racist how could you not think that i think it puts a challenge to people who say, well, is he really i don't know all these other things with the economy before covid now you have to say, am i going to vote for a racist and the answer should be no. >> when i look at our global reputation as a country, if you're in another nation and you're looking at the united states where the sitting president's niece says he's a racist and she's heard him use the "n" word and anti-semitic language, how does this look around the world as we try to preach to them about democracy
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and human rights and deal even with trade and other military type negotiations. how does this deal with the image of this country? >> well, you know, the united states has been seen as that shining hill, the city on the hill we haven't always been perfect and you know better than others the history of discrimination in this country we've tried to preach our values and we've tried to use our policies to push democracy and human rights around the world. if we're going to do that, we have to live the values ourselves. we've had a lot of imperfect presidents over the years but they've always tried to strive to be better, to be a model. and that's not the case with this president and none of this is surprising you know well the history of donald trump going back to housing discrimination suits brought against him in the 1970s, the central park five we've already talked about very fine people in charlottesville what we've seen exposed over the
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last couple months is not just voting rights, gains being lost. but also all the racial inequities being exposed, racial or the economy as we've seen disproportionately borne by people of color o you've seen the president over the last couple days, ramping up his rhetoric he's going to do a lot more of that but right now the american people are not buying what he's selling. >> the president said that to elect biden is to abolish the suburbs. what's the political strategy behind that in i know you're a republican who does not support him. what signal is he sending when he says that >> so donald trump knows he's in trouble in the suburbs
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that's a critical part in the coalition that would help him to re-election. the big mistake donald trump is making here by using this racial language is that the suburban women know the coronavirus is here they see him not leading and the other thing he does is he confuses the difference between law and order and safety and women, especially suburban women, do not feel safe when they see an instigator, someone trying to stoke the fire and create fear, and create violence, and sending secret police to portland, and all the things he's been doing that will have the opposite effect i guess if you're that simple minded, maybe donald trump is going back to his thoughts of the '50s and '60s and '70s and saying maybe it will work again. it won't >> thank you so much
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coming up, everything you need to know about president trump's re-election strategy but first the top news stories richard? >> thanks. there are more than 3.7 million confirmed cases of coronavirus nationwide this hour 78,000 of those cases, well, 141,000 fatalities as we are looking at the numbers right now. in florida, new cases. top ten for the fifth day in a row. hospitals saying they're running out of the drug remdesivir they have enough to treat 5,000 patients while some states are seeing surges, new york will enter phase four of the reopening tomorrow some outdoor convenievenues wiln
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mr. president, this week you demoted your campaign manager who had become better known for getting rich off your name than any ideas he had for getting you reelected. but that staff shake-up doesn't change the fact, you are tumbling in the polls. down double digits to joe biden nationwide, according to the latest abc news washington poll survey the problem doesn't seem to be your campaign, mr. president it's your policies i mean what kind of president who wants to be reelected tries to take away people's health care during a pandemic or threatens to cut education funding if public schools don't reopen, when many polls show parents don't feel safe enough to send their kids back. who watches millions of americans of all races take to the streets, demanding racial justice, and then turns around and opposes police reform
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proposals while and tolling the virtues of racist statues. who decides to go on the air in 2020 claiming they will abolish the suburbs? this week you touched on many of these topics in a rambling rose garden appearance "the new york times" described as, quote, an hour of presidential stream of consciousness as many trump drifted seemingly and random from one topic to another, often in the same run-on sentence, end of quote mr. president, your ideas don't seem so random when i look at the people around you. for example, defunding schools is no doubt music to the ears of education secretary betsy devos who once said, federal funding for public education has produced, quote, zero results.
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and stymieing efforts that police reform will get a warm welcome from senate majority leader mitch mcconnell who says, little change is needed because the situation in his view is, quote, dramatically better in almost every measurable way since the 1960s. end quote. on immigration and daca, consider the wife of white house speech writer stephen mill here mused to msnbc's own jacob that, quote, if you come to america, you should assimilate. why do we need to have little havana in end of quote and for fair housing, i can't believe you still hold a grudge from when and you your father were accused of discriminatory housing policies way back in the 1970s.
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no, mr. president, you're wildly unpopular policies aren't random and at this point they probably are not even designed to get you reelected. how much more firing up can you already do for your volcanic base how much more is required? what they are, your policies are a right wing power grab. an effort by you and your cronies to roll back as many progressive policies as possible in the waning days of this administration in a way that it will be difficult or impossible for the next president to reverse, whether that be in 2020 or even further on in the future what that means for those who support those policies is that it isn't just enough to vote to remove you from office in november we need to continue to fight your policy efforts all the way to the next inauguration day,
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welcome back coronavirus cases continue to spike in alabama with its caseload putting in it dangerous company. only seven states are facing more new patients. in an attempt to slow down the spread, the republican governor has instituted a statewide mask ordinance. in the midst of all of that, the mayor of birmingham has this week announced a new public safety task force to improve
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policing procedures. here to explain is the mayor of birmingham, alabama. randall woodfin. mayor woodfin, thank you for being with us. you know this is an issue that i've been very passionate about for a long time. explain to me the task force, what it will do and what you hope will be the ends results of this task force. >> rev, thank you for having me. on 30 daysation took an internal review of our police department, our policies, our procedures, et cetera i thought it was important to have community people take a look at what we do, how we do it, how we can do better so i proposed a task force for the northern district of alabama as well as the defense attorney, activists, as well as other community partners to take a deep dive into birmingham police
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department's policies and procedures and if there's anything we can do better, anything we need to stop doing, any way to make sure our policies are in line with our community policing actually through action, building more trust through our police department, how we interact with the community. that's what they're tasked to do, to bring back recommendations to me on how to make sure that our police department is in line with making sure we take care of our community. >> now, let me go to another subject with cases surging, birmingham schools haven't decided if or how they man to reopen this fall how do you balance safety concerns with the need to provide a fair and equitable education to all students? >> i've been in constant contact with our summit, dr. mark sullivan he is attempting to strike that balance. on the one hand, he is looking through the lens of making sure not only the children but the adults in the system who have to
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inact with our children are safe that is coupled with the fact we know that our children are already at a disadvantage with distance learning. how do we balance that with school being fully monday through friday, the hybrid at school some days, at home other days, or the third option of remote learning. they're still trying to figure out which one is the best? if you do the remote learning, you have to have, you have to find ways to offset those parents who are working that don't have, can't afford childcare. or you have to find ways to offset, making sure children continue to learn at the maximum rate they can. all this is balanced with their health so a decision has not been made on the school start date has been pushed back what i do like is that he is in constant contact with parents as well as the employees of the school
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>> you will defer to the experts. >> 100%. i think since march, where every decision we've made has been in lockstep with the health experts. i share this with you and with many elected officials and politicians. we should be listening to what the health experts are telling us we shouldn't be making decisions in isolation for political purposes in the middle of a global pandemic. i think that's extremely important. >> let me ask you this i'm out of time. you're the mayor of a major city in the south you're the mayor of a city that was one of the civil rights battles fought and won and we lost to john lewis you have a town, reverend tommy lewis and others there, i met through an activist, what does john lewis mean to you as the
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mayor of a major southern city what is his legacy to you? >> i'm extremely saddened by his death. i'll give it to you shortly because we're out of time. the first thing is we now have a mentor, an elder that has become our guardian angel and he has left us a road ma'p on what to d next there's nothing more important to all of those people who are out here saying they're sad, but they're in the way of making sure it is passed, they're him citizens to honor his legacy, let's pass the voting rights act. >> i'll leave it right there a good place to leave it thank you, mayor i want to go to a new documentary. american trial the eric garner story.
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it is an imaginary trial that was never held after the grand jury refused to indict the nypd officer. the film features mr. garner's widow. the film aims to answer the question what if aaron garner's killer had been indicted? here's a sample. >> how has the death of your husband affected you and your family >> it's horrible after being with somebody for 26 years, for him to leave out the door and not come back that day. you expect to see them and they don't come back home you get a phone call telling you he's laid out on the street and can't breathe. they're trying to revive him >> joining me now is the director of that film. you did this film using actual
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lawyers, people in their professions that would have been presenting in front of a real jury showing the world what quof happened had the staten island district attorney indicted the police officer that choked eric garner to death even as eric garner said 11 times on video, i can't breathe. and the world could see what the evidence would have looked like, what the defense would have looked like, and make their own determination. why was this important to you? >> i was a film student living in harlem when eric garner was killed and as someone new to the united states, only lived in new york for about a year before eric garner was killed, that video was a punch to the stomach
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i couldn't stop thinking about it living in harlem, there were rallies all over the place i was just going to the superintendent to buy groceries, when i was walking my dog, it was what anyone could talk about. i was living in new york i was probably within a few miles of anyone who would have participated in the trial had it happened and i saw that it was important to let it play out to see what happens if we have real attorneys read the questions to the actual witnesses who would have testified and were denied the right to testify because it's not just the garners who were denied justice. we as a society were denied the opportunity to see if there was a crime or not it should have happen in the courtroom. not the media. >> one of the things i've said, people can go online and watch this film. i want you to tell people how to do it. one thing i've said, had that trial happened, had eric
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garner's trial happened six years ago, maybe the police that did what they did with the knee on the neck of george floyd would have had second thoughts knowing police can be held accountable. i was very much involved in the eric garner case as i am the the eric garner case as i am the george floyd case. it is really frightening to me that we could a see something on tape -- this was videotaped that eric garner literally choked to death and three years later we see george floyd and somebody thinks that's some aberration, somebody dealing with things that are accidentally happening and not being answered jooflt i think you're absolutely right. systemic racism in gem and specifically in the justice system, you know, accountability is only one link of that system. that link is important, and if
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we have -- if we had prosecuted office pantaleo for killing eric garner, it's possible that other police officers would have second thoughts before they put their knee on somebody else's neck i think you're absolutely right. >> tell us quickly how people can see the film >> right the film is available and the easiest thing, google the american trial sclun the eric garner story >> up next, our final thoughts and take. it. on... ...with rinvoq. rinvoq a once-daily pill... ...can dramatically improve symptoms... rinvoq helps tame pain, stiffness, swelling. and for some... rinvoq can even significantly reduce ra fatigue. that's rinvoq relief. with ra, your overactive immune system attacks your joints. rinvoq regulates it to help stop the attack.
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we must wake up, for we cannot stop and we will not and cannot be patient >> john lewis was the young man of the big six, the big six prominent civil rights groups at that time, calling for america to wake up he joined me in that interview on this program at lincoln memorial as we begin to march for the 50th anniversary of the march on washington in 2013. this august 28th we'll be marching in washington again we are matching to keep the commitment around the voting rights act must be passed and around the george floyd policing justice bill i think that we are saddened that john lewis won't be with us
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as he was seven years ago to march. neither will c.t. vivian, but we would make them sad if we stopped marching, stopped agita agitating. that's why every time we call all the way into their senior years, they were there they were ebb curveballing young people they were encouraging us who is had been young under them. don't stop marching. alyoung man once asked the great abolitionist, frederick douglas was asked, he said agitate, young man,age tad. martin luther king iii and i will be agitating for john lewis. that does it for me. thanks for watching. i'll see you back here next saturday and sunday. up next, chris jansing continues our news coverage. we are the thrivers.
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