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hello. i'm chris jansing. thank you for being with us. the fallout tonight, immediate to a striking new the interview with the president of the us, and a series o of statements you can variously label as controversial, incorrect, or downright bewildering. new polling shows a growing distrust of the president on the coronavirus crisis 20 points less trustworthy than

joe biden. >> we have embers and we have flames florida became more flame like, but it's going to be you would control. many of those cases are young people that would he'll in a day. they have the sniffles and we put it down as a test. take that look at the numbers you in europe. >> 6,000 in the whole europe youtube. >> they don't test. >> is it possible that they don't have the virus >> it's possible that they test. the cdc said if everybody wore a mask for four to six weeks, we could get this under control do you regret not wearing a mafg in up from the start and will you consider a national mandate that people to have masks? >> no. i don't believe in that, no. i don't agree with the statement that if everybody wear a mask everything disappears. i will be right eventually i said it's going to disappear i'll say it again.

it's going to disappear and i'll be right >> that last quote, inside what it calls trump's failure on the virus. members of his circumstance it is convincing thelts that the virus was fading i'll talk to one of thing writers of that in hept piece coming up. the president was pushed in his interview on his views of race, including the federer confederates flags they love their flag it represents the south. people right the south people right now like the south. we can't forget that the north and the south fought i don't care what the military says i'm supposed to make the decision fort bragg is a big deal nobody even knows general brag now they want a change of 1492 columbus grew up now they want to make it the 1619 project where did that come from what does it represent >> slavery

>> that's what they're saying but they don't even know >> of course we do know that 1619 marked the beginning of slavery in the u.s., a time that influenced ever aspect of what america grew to be then there's the law and order rhetoric with police and protesters slashing in portland. i'll talk to the oregon congressman who wants the feds out. and the president making this starting statement >> she looks like the new -- >> can you give a direct example? >> i'm not going to say yes. i didn't last time, either >> the president refusing to say whether he'll accept the results of november's election later this hour i'll talk to ian brimmer and george will, both concerned about that issue and more let's start with the president's assessment of his handling of covid-19 i'm joined by an investigative

reporter for the new york times and lori gait a early who has an upcoming book. it's so good to have both of you on this really important day, because the president had so much to say. and perhaps what's out of balance right now is the information coming out of the white house. from comparing coronavirus in young people to the sniffles and suggesting masks cause problems, too, to devote president what are we witnessing here with this kind of interview >> well, chris, first of all, my book is not upcoming it predicted where we are now. it came out quite a long time ago. but the president -- >> i thought there was an update coming out later this year >> the president of course is stretching the truth in every imaginable direction we know from south korean study just published by the south korean government that about 20%

of all infections in south korea come from asymptomatic teenagers and young children who carry the virus into their home and infect the adults in their home we know that mafgs work and we know that almost nobody ever experiences a negative effect from wearing masks other than finding them uncomfortable or having some kind of a clost phobia feeling about wearing a mask but they do not cause any dell tears health effect and can save your life finally, any allegations that testing itself is responsible for our finding cases is running completely contrary to what we're seeing in the actual results of testing, which is to say more and more of those who are tested as a percentage are turning up positive in the united states right now, so

testing is clearly saving and identifying cases, saving lives. it's a positive thing. we need to be smarter about how we direct our testing, but we need more of it and the president is wrong >> the facts are inconvenient things sometimes eric, none of this is new for the president, these kinds of statements you wrote inside trump's failure. and you describe an april meeting of top advisors on how to deal with the crisis: "their ultimate goal was to shift responsibility for leading the fight against the pandemic from the white house to the states. they refused to this as state authority hand off and it was at the heart of what would become at once a catastrophic policy blender and an attempt to escape blame, perhaps one of the greatest failures of presidential leadership in generations. tell us more about what happened

in that period beginning in mid april. >> when the president mentioned the notion of embers and they were heading towards a moment where it would be little remnants of the skriers and they were ready to shift responsibility from the federal government really helping lead the charming to just supporting the states and largely delegating the responsibilities to them. as you speak with the kbovrners and the state health drorks what they wanted was a federal government that was leaning forward in a drastic way in providing money but also helping make acquisitions and supplies and sort of standards and -- but the white house really was focused on economic recovery and i'm preparing for the re-election and they wanted to shift as much responsibility to the states, so there was this april period where they felt as if they looked to projections and dr. birx in particular was

showing protecti showing pro generaling that will it would be at a minimum level these projections were based upon people maintaining social distance and mask wearing to deep virus in check. if you look at italy, much of europe, we went on a different projectly because we did not maintain the commitment that other countries had. it was really -- if you want to understand why we're at the moment we're at now, it's a choice that many individual people making and the governors are making but it's also the choice that the president and his staff made in april that explains the terrible situation that many states are in right now. >> yeah. the ongoing mixed messaging. chris wallace pressed the president about why the united states is outpacing the rest of the world in the number of infections here's what he said.

>> we find cases and many of those casings heal automatica y automatically. in a way, we're creating trouble. certainly we're creating trouble for the fake news to come along and say, oh, we have more cases. >> i mean, i'm not even sure what healing automatically means, lorrie, if he's talking about people who are asymptomatic, people who have mild symptoms, but can you tie the decision by the white house that eric rors or to deny the medical warnings, to push medical reopenings to the belief that the real problem is more cases to the fact that we now have 142,000 will have plus deaths >> first of all, eric amgd his whole team at the new york times have done an absolutely spectacular piece. it's stellar journalism and its really opens eyes to what transpired this spring that led to this bizarre failure. i mean, just absolute failure by

the federal government to play any role in any positive way in trying to control this epidemic. now where we are is in a state of real chaos where it's almost impossible to identify any strategic man that could be executed at this point on a national level that could bring this thing to a halt when we have out of control spread in 30 states, when we have several states which are now showing full i.c.u.'s, no additional intense sieve care units space, we're in a state of chaos. florida was reported that 29% of its surveyed teenagers are testing positive even here in new york at the peak of our epidemic in march and april, we didn't have a 29% positive rate among high school teenagers. this is just catastrophic. and to try to claim that there's going to be spontaneous healing

and in another comment with chris wallace, he says that the whole epidemic would sort of spontaneously go away. this is just akin to saying if i wear garlic around my neck, you know, the vampires won't get me. this is ludicrous. it has nothing whatsoever to do with science >> is and the science that's out there, a lot of it for a long time, eric, was put out there by dr. fauchi, who tried to often be the voice of reason who when you watch that, you could see him trying to sort of quietly slowly correct things that were said that were not correct but i thought one of the more interesting things that was in this article was that in the midst of this critical decision making timing in mid april, dr. deborah dierks bentley was a --

dirkx was an upbeat role in all this >> she was focused on the metrics and the various models that were going to project what was the likely progression of the virus in the united states and it was this model from university of washington that she was particularly swd in that again showed that the number of cases was going to go way down in july and august and that we boisk -- you know, we could potentially see a resurgence in the winner but the expectation was that by now we would have minimal numbers in the united states the thing that's most confounding is that the president wants economic growth. the president wants a return to normalcy the only way that we can really achieve that is if we knock down the virus. the only way to knock down the virus is containment anytime there's the emerge engs of a case to immediately put

that in a box and the thing -- but he wants the economic development but he doesn't want to support the measures that any epidemiologist would tell you to do in order to achieve it. it's sort of con founding. >> he keeps talking about the economy, but we're not doing what we need to make sure that the economy can get up and running again. i can talk to you for the entire hour, both of you. thank you for coming out on a sunday we appreciate you so much. there's another thing we want to mention of note from the president's interview. doubling down on his threat to pull federal funding from schools that don't open, insisting that "young people have to go to school kwoigts, but his demands again running contrary to a new study from south korea. a nation which faced its kroefs

coronavirus. it involved 65,000 subject and found that children between the age of 10 and 19 spread the virus at least as well as adults more evidence that school openings could trigger outbreaks. and the werying then extends to younger patients one in five are inl effected now in california, nearly althousand coronavirus cases have been reported in that state's day care facilities. here to talk about this is our journalist what do you take away from the findings >> well, chris, i take -- my take-away is simply that there's so much about this virus that we don't know, even still, months into this in the united states, and that billion incredibly arrogant to make assumptions i think the south korea data points to reasons to be quite concerned about school

reopenings, and these other assumptions such as what the president stated today that young people get it. it's really not a big deal we're still seeing high rates of hospitalizations in young people despite the fact that it's less severe but we're still worried that there's so much we don't understand. >> and maybe that's why the day care report is so worrisome to to so many people. more and more workers are going back to their workplaces they need childcare. in california, day care cases are up 12% in the past week. now, let's be clear. about 20%, so in this case, 200 are positive tests in kids kids that are young, less likely to get very sick, but what about them being spreaders >> right not only are there large potential chances to spread to t other people in the household, so there could be people, yuck

children spreading it to potentially people with chronic zeeded, but chris, i think what we're also kind of overlooking is that we're still probably not even testing children quadly we're just seeingthe surface o this so we're coming back to that same theme of not enough testing and certainly if you've got a child in the house that's sick, imagine, you can really isolate. so it creates this super spreading event kind of by definition and then what i'm very concerned is i watch the data is that if you are hospitalized as a child, there is an incredibly high child that that child could end up in the intensive care unit and we know that that can lead to poor outcomes not to mention even if a child has kind of mild symptoms, my concern is what are the long lasting effects of those mild symptoms we just simply continue know. >> that's exactly the concern in those babies 85 in one coup in texas that

tested positive. a doctor at the hospital says they're getting it largely from adults, not other kisds, and the symptoms are generally mild but as she points out, the long term effect are not known or even are they spreading it as friends and family come to visit new baby? >> yeah, this whole issue about are kids spreading things to each other, couple of statistics to ground us a little bit. we haven't had schools open for months and we're going to head into a fall/winner season where the common cold is incredibly high moppingst your average child. children tend to have coronavirus but no symptoms. this could all result in children spreading to other children, so we're making some assumptions but we have not really seen what can fully happen >> doctor, thank you

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whether the trump administration has. a letter to the inspectors general for the d.o.j. and dhs, the legal basis for this use of force has never been skpland the insistence on deploying the these forces over the objections of state and local authorities suggest that these tactics have more to do with political gamesmanship >> the president said he's helping portland >> if you look at what's gone in portland, those are anarchists and we've taken a tough stand. if we didn't take a stabbed in portland -- we've arrested in of the leaders. right now you would have a problem -- they're going to lose portland >> did view from the city's mayor, though, couldn't be more different. >> take these people out of our city, they are not helping us, they are hurting us, they are escalating an already dangerous situation.

>> calls have been growing to remove federal agencies who have taken to the streets using tear gas on protesters, even pulling some into unmarked advance we're going to continue to follow that story for you. in recent weeks we've had the pentagon essentially banning the confederate frag nascar banning the confederate flag and even mississippi removing the confederate emblem from the state flag. despite that president trump continues to defend displaying the confederate flag in public >> is the confederate flag offensive? >> it depends on who you're talking about, when you're talking about. people proudly had their confederate flags, they're not talking about racism it represents the south. people right now like the south. i say it's freedom of many things, but it's freedom of speech >> the president's comments as a poll shows a majority of americans, 56% say they view the

confederate flag as a symbol of racism 35% see it as a symbol of southern heritage. i'm joined by elena beverly and sir michael sington. great to see both of you so the president says you can't forget that the north and the south fought, which is i guess part of his reasoning. i guess that means if the confederate flag disappears we'll forget >> i don't know what that means. we also cannot forget that the confederate army fought against united states of america it was a treesonous act of rebellion and ultimately they lost this wasn't something to be celebrated, and if individuals in the south, as a southerner, if they want that flag on their private property, that's within their right to do so if it's a public entity, a public business, public

property, if it's a federal property should not have dollars going towards a body that was treasonous against this country trying to up hold values consistent with the united states of america. if it's a private business that business should expect that there may be repercussions in terms of consumers saying we're going to direct our dollars elsewhere. you would expect the president of the united states to have a better understanding of these matters more than anyone else. this is not a flag that we should attempt to up hold. this is a flag of hatred this is a flag that said african-americans were nothing more than property, chris. think about that the president should know that and i think that americans of all race and creed should expect better from this president and better from this administration. >> let me get your reaction to something else the president said, that the killing of blacks by white police officers was going on before he got into office and he said this before,

many whites are killed also. so i guess that is his reasoning behind we're going too far with all of this. >> right so i'm not going to parse out the numbers in the fact that there are more white people in america and therefore -- he always likes to say there are more white people killed by police ratio wise there are more african-americans and people of color who are killed by police, but the large thing here is that donald trump's strategy is to try to double down on issues of fear and to try to cat pander to his base that it should be something they should be trying to protect they should be trying to protect the keconfederate flag in the mind of a sliver of his

base, they are a threat to their privilege and their power. the kmemg is for him that white people don't actually really want to be racist and you're seeing a change in the shift in tenor in 2020 about what america stands for and what democracy stands for and an understanding that black lives matter that black humanity matters and that we are in a moment right now where we can exercise our rights, use our dollars, use -- and use our voices to protest to ensure that america recognizes that black lives matter and that we are moving forward together >> and in spice spite of that shift, we see it in the streets, we see it in the polls, the president's campaign is clearly on the same page as she. kimberly guilfoyle, the top fundraiser, donald jr.'s firl friend was talking about the guy who

infamously faced the protesters with guns. she called them courageous what do you see as the strategy there elena? >> the strategy is they know that they are failing in the suburbs. trump campaign knows that it is losing, is behind by at least nine points. poles have it an average of 15 points in the suburbs. again, the campaign is trying to stoke fear you should have fear of your black and brown urban friends and coming and changing your way of life and in doing so, in trying to stoke that fear, you should stay with me. point this out what people actually fear, white, black, brown, of any color, they fear a global pandemic that is raging in their kmuns. you want to mess with bourbon

voters, you might consider what donald trump is doing is saying they should open schools and not have a protocol in place or a national plan in place to ensure their children are protected i think that these voters actually fear the pan democratic they don't fear their neighbors of color, although trump strategy is to try shift blame and distract and turn to black and brown people as something that white voters should fear. >> and in spite of all the headlines there's always a lot going on behind the scenes i have to ask you about what the president did yesterday. he said he's going to eliminate the affirmatively furthering fair housing initiative which was designed to eliminate disparities. you worked for hud what impact would this have on homeownership, for example >> i met with the individual, i believe an african-american american professor who was sort of the brain child behind that piece of legislation that came i

believe towards the second term of the obama administration and we had an opportunity to meet with him when we were helping prepare for the transition process, i should say achbltd one of the concerns that came up during our discussion was whether or not the regulation, which came from the department of housing and you are been development was being implemented properly part of the concern from some of the local mooumts and cities they felt it was being mandated on too sign without the proper amount of time to change things locally, and so i don't know where i fall but i guess i would say knowing the reg as i do, i would like for municipalities to figure out if there's a better way to have diversity within some of these communities that are certainly needed for those who need it most such as african-americans and hispanics as well. >> this is a -- >> singleton --

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students and teachers at risk. sh teacher contracted covid-19 earlier this year and spent 21 days on a slept lator fighting for her life now she's joining a coarse of american teachers. a broward county florida teacher joins us now stephanie, how are you doing and tell us a little bit more about your experience. >> hi. i'm doing good i'm a covid survivor 21 days on the ventilator, two months in the hospital, eight day day of rehab and i've been home for five weeks. i get physical therapy, occupational therapy and speech therapy. my speech isn't back to normal yet. the vocal cords were damaged during the ventilator. scars all over my face, but i'm in good spirits. i have a lot of people rallying

around me and keeping my spirits up and i'm just working as hard as i can, have to learn how to rewalk, talk, take care of myself i came off the ventilator, i could only lift a finger to maybe give a thumbs up or thumbs down i could move my head but that's it i had to learn how to feed myself and, you know, everything else, but i wanted to live so badly, i am doing whatever i need to do to get there. >> well, first of all, you're an inspiration, but your story is also a cautionary tale as very difficult decisions are being made as we approach the beginning of the school year >> yes >> talk to us about your thoughts about when you hear people say let's get back into the class room do you think there's a safe way, especially given what's going on in florida right now, to

introduce in-person classes as early as next month or september. >> it's scary for me 53-year-old woman with no underlying health issues other that seasonal allergies or when i get a cold, so for this to have done what it did to me is scary that something could happen to me and my colleagues, school personnel, children, then bringing it home to their families, it just -- following cdc guidelines, there's no way to make it a safe place for children there's no way that a child -- i teach second great going from kindergarten up to 12, that they could sit at a desk for six hours a day wearing a mask there would be no recess there would be no gogt cafeteria. they couldn't interact or socialize with their friends

it's scary enough we're doing fire drills and active shooter drills could you imagine the anxiety they'd be experiencing sitting there worrying am i going to get sick, is my family going to get sick i don't see how it could even be a calming learning experience where they could be calm enough to learn where we could teach. then we have to go home to our own families and be afraid of breading it. when i was in the hospital i had a nurse that sent her kids to live with relatives because she was afraid of bringing home the germs to her family, and you know, as a nurse, she's taking that risk, but as a teacher, we already were putting our lives on the line. how much further do we have to go and we take care of children there's no way we could take care of them right now or protect this children are getting sick. maybe not as many as adults, but

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assessment of the impact of the kroefs on the 2020 election. so great to have you here. coronavirus means more people laying the groundwork that if hl in voting is knot secure what does your new assessment find >> that and also when lots of people turn up on the day, that actual voting mechanisms are going to be much morefeeffectiv june 9th you bring those together and it's an unprecedented environment to pull off an election without a hitch even if you had two presidential candidates that were prepared and i think it's clear if trump loses, he's not going to accept the outcome. he will say it's rigged. now, if it's an enormous blowout

in favor of biden, he can say that the ability to actually question in a number of swing states, the election mechanisms as they occurred and have, say, democratic controlled legislatures or governors and republicans on the other side and many of those swing states actually submit different outcomes to the congress, that's completely plausible in a close election i don't think people are yet prepared for that outcome, frankly. >> well, george, that's pretty much what you wrote about. i'll read from your article. given trump's reckless lying and the supine nature of office holders, it's imperative the november 3rd result be obvious that evening and unambiguous decision by midnight eastern time november 3rd will require a popular vote tsunami so large

against the president that there will be a continent wide as surely he will akin to those he made in 2016 how worried are you, george, about what the president might say and more to the point do on november 4th >> i don't think i'm terribly worried. ian is of course, write right. of course the president is going to say that their election is rigged he cried fraud in 2016 when he won. now, imagine what it's going to be like when he does not win which is fairly obvious. early voting begins in 61 days in south dakota and minnesota. 107 days until the election. there is a lot of warning and the american people have shown themselves serious about the pandemic and i think voters are going to take the measures so we will get an avalanche of absentee and mail voting but there will be time i think to handle it. but the real question is will it be close

again, if it's close, in a lot of swing states, there will be a problem. but political profit, i'll commit it's very likely the polls today are right, that the polls today are remarkably stable over this entire year. i have a feeling by 10:30 p.m. eastern time when he's lost florida, north carolina, wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania, we can all go to bed, and the president can say i'm not going to accept this, but it's not clear what it means to not accept it electoral votes will be cast in december at noon on january 20th, 2021 he's a trespasser in the white house. this is not a major worry. >> let me stipulate that it's incredibly hard not to love george will and i certainly fall into that category it's not as confident in part because as bad as the economy is

doing, the numbers are going -- the momentum is going to look better in third quarter. i'm more worried because as bad as the pandemic is being managed, irrespective of where we are on a vaccine, trump is almost certain to announce that we have a vaccine that's successful and again, the trajectory is likely to look better in november than it does right now. the country is of course, maximumly divided. most importantly than 2016 is in 2016 trump wasn't president. now he is. and we absolutely know every lever of power he can use legally and extra legally to try to swing this election in his favor, he is going to deploy and we haven't dealt with that in this country we saw the impeachment the impeachment failed in the senate with one republican voting to convict despite the fact that trump intended to use the power of the presidency to get a foreign government to open an investigation against joe biden. he's got four months to see how

far he's going to go beyond that and final point is thatwe're going to -- in the midst of a pandemic, it is very clear republicans are a lot less concerned about showing up to vote in terms of personal danger than democrats that plays, as well i suspect -- i hope george is right but i fear it's going to be closer than he thinks. >> so, george, let's say that it is a tsunami election in favor of joe biden, even giving that, do you see the outcome of the election happening without voter suppression and maybe even wide spread voter suppression >> i think the country is alert to this as an issue. i think in certain states there will be real scrutiny. i remember in 2018 there was a question where 300 vote polling places closed in the state of georgia, 280 of them in minority neighborhoods. i think the degree of journal list ti est and local police attention

to this is sufficient now that will be inevitable and the pandemic. >> george will always great to have you on the program. by the way, your column on the agony of being addicted to sports and withdrawal we're going through was fantastic, as the same time it sent me into a deep depression. ian, always good to see you. thank you for being with me. that will do it for this hour. i'm chris jansing. thanks for being with us the news continues next with "kasie d.c. ity is everything. so, if your network's down, you're down. verizon knows your customers need to reach you seamlessly. your team needs to work from different places across many devices. plus, you want the security trusted by some of the largest companies in the world. and that's why you trust us. the most reliable network in america.

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