welcome to "kasie d.c. i'm kasie hunt the president stands by his quote the virus will disappear i'll speak with francis suarez as hospitals in his state reach 100% capacity and there is a curfew nearby. we'll take you to portland, oregon where unidentified agent haves been patrolling the streets amid protests and remembering a giant, civil rights icon and congressman john lewis dead at the age of 80.

we'll discuss his decade's long fight for justice and the incredible legacy he leaves behind first, here are the facts. more than 140,000 americans are dead from the coronavirus pandemic states across the country are seeing record increases in cases and now, some are also setting daily death records. those, again, are the facts. and this is the president of the united states. >> i said it's going to disappear. i'll say it again, it's going to disappear and i'll be right. i don't think so i don't think so you know why it doesn't discredit because i've been right probably more than anybody else when you talk about mortality rates, i think it's the opposite i think we have one of the lowest mortality rates -- >> that's not true, sir. we have 900 deaths on a single day -- >> we will take a look. >> ready can you please get me the mortality rate kaley is here. i heard we have one of the

lowest, maybe the lowest mortality rate in the world. do you have the numbers? i heard we had the best mortality rate number one low mortality rate. >> sir, testing is up 37%. >> that's good. >> i understand. cases are up 194%. it isn't just the testing is going up, it's that the virus has spread the positivity rate has increased. >> many of those cases -- >> worse than it was. >> many of those cases are young people that would heal in a day. they have the sniffles and we put it down as a test. many of them, don't forget, lik 99.7% people will get better and in many cases they get better very quickly. >> so, a couple of things. first, as chris wallace points out, the u.s. ranks seventh in mortality rate according to johns hopkins. second, on that 99% comment from

the president, dr. anthony fauci told the financial times, quote, i'm trying to figure out where the president got that number. i think what happened is someone told him the general mortality rate is about 1% and he interpreted, therefore, that 99% is not a problem, when of usually, that's not the case regardless, the president says claims he does take responsibility for the response to the pandemic. >> shortages of testing and proekt tpr protective equipment from nurses and doctors, a lot of people say this is because we don't have a national plan. you talk about states. we don't have a national plan. do you take responsibility for that >> look, i take responsibility always for everything because it's ultimately my job, too. i have to get everybody in line. some governor haves done well. some governors have done poorly. they are supposed to have supplies i supplied everybody.

>> he takes responsibility for everything really "the new york times" is now reporting that in the early stages of the pandemic, the white house's ultimate golfs to quote shift responsibility for the fight against the pandemic from the white house to the states that's the story of how we got here as for what comes next, two republican sources tell me and my colleagues on the hill that senate republicans are now pushing back against a white house attempt to block billions of dollars for coronavirus testing and tracing in the next stimulus bill. with that, i'd like to welcome in my panel, peter baker associated press reporter and former rnc chairman michael steele all msnbc political analyst. great to have all of you on board tonight and peter baker, let me start with you. you are a close chronicler of presidents for many, many years and you were in the rose garden

earlier this week when we heard a rather rambling, you described it i thought very well he talked about china, other things, china again and then we had an interview today with chris wallace which was incredibly wide ranging. we played what we thought were a series of highlights but there is so much that we haven't shown people what does it say to you about the president's state of mind and his strategy at this point peter? >> no, not yet. >> how his staff was feeding him information or false information at times to buttress that allegations or assertions or contentions or believes he wanted to make, right? he wants to say the mortality rate is the lowest in the world and provide a piece of paper that says it all the independent analysis says that's not true when he says biden wants to defund the police, they provide

a document that says that biden wants to defund the police, even though that's not true and it makes you wonder about the staffing at this point of a president who is whether he's getting information he really needs to be president or whether he's simply in denial. things he said in that interview today as chris wallace made clear were just riddled with, you know, errors and mischaracterizations and at this point, we have 141,000 people dead there are real consequences to say 99% of the time it's not a problem is to not only ignore how many people have died and how many people have suffered as a result, ignored the serious consequences that this virus has for a lot of people who won't die. a lot of people may have a mild case but a lot of people don't we all know them we've all known people who had this case weeks and weeks and weeks going through a pretty miserable ordeal and have even to this day, you know, lasting consequences to that you may recover but it doesn't necessarily mean it was no big deal

not all of them are sniffles that the the thing he doesn't want to accept. >> i think that's an absolutely great point and exactly what dr. fauci said in that quote from the financial times. just becausethis 1% number a a you point out is huge and incredibly difficult for the people affected but that doesn't mean 99% are fine. to that idea, michael steele, the white house also this week embarked on something of a campaign to discredit dr. fauci. you had that op ed from peter navarro that sort of distanced themselves from that but the president this morning talked about dr. fauci in the fox news interview and didn't entirely defend him let's watch this and then we'll talk about it. >> dr. fauci said don't wear masks. dr. fauci told me not to ban china, it would be a big mistake. it did it over and above his recommendations. >> one of your closest aids, right-hand man daniel put out

this -- have you seen this this cartoon dr. faucet shows him as a leaker and an alarmest. >> i don't know that he's a leaker he's a little alarmest that's okay. >> he's a bit of an alarmest >> a little bit of an alarmest. >> so michael steele, he's still going after fauci calling him a little alarmest and you also have our reporting from last night and this morning that the white house is at the president's behest trying to block money more for testing what is the back -- what is going on here? are they trying to lose? [ laughter ] >> you got me with that one. i didn't expect that to be the end question there you know, looking at it objectively, yeah, i mean, how else can you explain the president allowing peter navarro -- because trust me peter navarro isn't going to go

after dr. fauci unless the president is okay with it. when you consider the role he plays in the pandemic story, you just don't go after him unless the president signs off. the president wants other actors to take him down he wants clean hands he wants to maintain clean hands. he can't help himself when confronted with the question this morning, of course, he has to take his zing and ding at the good doctor. that translates, of course, to capitol hill and what you see there are republicans, again, trying to carry as much favor or avoid as much wrath from the president of the united states by using the budget process to effectively go after the american people in terms of the resources that will be made available to them, the information that would be made available to them through cdc and other means. this is a dual action with fauci at the center so to come at him, to take him down a peg for

daring to just speak truth i mean, tell me what dr. fauci has said that has been so wrong and so, you know, abusive of the process for the american people that he received the president feels he has to distance himself. the only thing fauci did was challenge the president's reasoning, let's put it that way on what he was saying. >> i think other experts have noted that fauci was providing the best guidance that he could at the time and we have since of course, learned quite a bit about the virus. jonathan lamarre, you were reporting on the campaign shakeup that the president has also moved around his aids who are running his presidential campaign as he looks at all of these numbers and realizes that perhaps things are not going the way they should. i mean, is there a strategy to this i mean, michael steele suggests there is a plan to take down fauci, this is part of a strategy is that your view in terms of how the president is combining

his actions as he tries to govern and lead the country through the pandemic with how he's handling the campaign side of things? >> it certainly seems like there is a lot of denial and blinders on in terms of the president and his inner circle in terms of the coronavirus pandemic there seems to be a little more acceptance and realization where they are on the campaign they understand they are losing. this change, which we'll get into in a moment, you know, i don't think it was meant as much to sort of reassure republicans calling for a change and satisfy the president who has had it out for brad for quite sometime. he had grown angry about the attention parascale his former campaign manager was getting and the sense he was making a lot of money off the trump name and the president hasn't forgiven him after what happened in tulsa the president's big comeback rally, his first since the onset of the pandemic when they said they received a million or more ticket requests and 6,000 people

showed leaving the president staring at a sea of empty seats and raging to what happened. i don't know the day to day operations of the campaign will change much. the gop hand is in and a little less enamored with receiving media attention himself and focus on the battle ground states where there is an assessment they are losing they believe there is time to turn things around and they believe there is three and a half odd months to go and feel like if the economy picks up and they believe the more america sees of joe biden, the less they will feel comfortable with him being commander in chief these are the points they are trying to push across. it doesn't change the fact with the virus surging and threatening the economic recovery, that is likely going to be the definitive issues in this election and really, the campaign is still controlled by two people in particular jared kushner who all along is the defactor campaign manager and more than anyone, the whims and impulses of donald trump himself. >> peter baker, before we wrap

up here, all of this adds up to a very difficult election season, not just for the president but also for republicans in congress and that's why, you know, i find this confrontation over testing money to be so interesting that the president seems to not want more testing because he thinks that shows more cases. on the other hand, senate republicans know it's the only way to actually solve the problem. how do you see that impasse getting resolved is this something that will threaten this round of coronavirus relief as millions of americans are staring at their unemployment insurance running out? >> yeah, i think it's a great question we saw in the report and some of my colleagues did earlier that once the president was told they had passed, you know, 3 million tests or whatever it was and they could say more tests have been done here than anywhere in the world, we can have a talking point that we have tested more than anyone else in the world. that doesn't really answer the question, which is do you have testing that allows you to reopen the way the president would like to reopen

let's talk about schools he wants schools to reopen if you don't have testing that would make parents and teachers feel comfortable in doing it, that makes it that much harder, right? would be the difference between a test that takes four days, eight days to get a test back versus a test that you get back in 15 pminutes? remarkable difference. the senate republicans are so anxious about it because they understand that they have a lot at stake here, too and they want the country to get back in business and the only way to do it is have a more efficient and effective testing system we don't have it on a national basis. >> all right peter baker, thank you so much for coming on tonight. great to have you on a sunday night. jonathan lamarre, michael steele, thanks to you as well. appreciate you guys on board. we'll have much more to come tonight including my conversation with francis suarez as his city i merges as the epicenter of the pandemic and

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another time and another dark period we've come so far, we've made so much progress but as a nation and people, we haven't got there yet. we have miles to go. >> we have miles to go those are the words of civil rights icon and congressman john lewis that died friday night at the age of 80. we as a nation have to travel those miles without him. joining me now, president and ceo of the national urban league and former mayor of new orleans and presidential historian and msnbc contributor john mecham. john, i want to ask about your final conversations with john lewis. we as a country have been reckoning with these questions of justice, what justice means,

how it's being meated out, whether we are ready to change in the wake of george floyd's death and we have to answer the questions without the giant that was john lewis he was known as the conscience of the congress. who do we have to look to and what does this loss mean for all of us? >> i think it's a loss of the conscious of the congress but also the loss of one of the last connections. he and c.t. vivian and andrew young may be the remaining connection, personal connection today to the period of the 1950s and the 1960s. the living embodiment of the transformative movement as a civil rights movement and we have to look to ourselves and we have to look to a new generation of leaders his status was earned over decades. he was a young man, a young man,

literally a teenager and then a young man in his 20s who assumed a position of leadership among martin luther king and whitney young and wilkins dorothy height in ev'63. who also continue his advocacy as an e lektlected official. the chance in addition of the elected official the best way to the work of the civil rights movement in his 30 plus years in congress john lewis was one member of congress when he went to the mic and spoke, the house chamber fell silent. people would listen on both sides of the isaisle because he spoke with a sense of morality. >> that absolute -- that is absolutely correct and it is such a loss for that body that i

cover every day. john meacham, take us through how he ended his life and how to chronical it. >> we wrote an afterward for his book about this political and vision and we did a number of interviews we last spoke a week or so after george floyd's murder and he said he wept after he watched the video and he said keep the faith, keep the faith. i think the story of john lewis is the story of america, both at its best and given the forces he was fighting, at its worst we should be careful not to sentimentalize him too much. he was a living, breathing

person who fought the forces of hate and fear with hope and love and he did it against unimaginable odds. >> go ahead. didn't mean to cut you off. >> it was said he was surprised john survived. somehow or other, they always went for his head. diane nash, a living legend that continues her work in chicago told me that herm main memory o john is he would show up at meetings with bandages because he was unfolding his life's drama as a genuine saint that means he's a statute, quite the opposite classic theology is a heroic

sinner, a sinner who demonstrates courageous vir twu because of his idea and it was a commitment to the gospel of jesus that the sermon on the mount should not simply be words on a badpage but the motive fors of our hearts and minds and that america was an arena in which those forces could find manifestatio manifestation. >> i think it's an absolutely important reminder not to sent mentalize that time as you put it and focus on the real traumas i inflicted. john, last word. >> i would add to pay great transcribe by to john lewis there is something we can do to pass a new voting rights act, to repair the breach in the supreme court of 2013 which was one of

his last crew saids to deal with awful suppression and purging and confusion and attacking vote by mail. we need a strong bill and it would be how we can really pay great tribute to a great man of our times. final thing i would add for many of us in my generation who were too young to participate, john lewis lived, malcolm x did not, whitney king did not we put out arms around him as a connector to the period of the 1960s. what was it truly like >> so important and we remember those who we lost long ago mark and john, thanks to both of you. appreciate it. joining me now is democratic congressman hank johnson of georgia who of course served with john lewis in the congress

and who participate in a number of events with the congressman congressman johnson, i asked you to reflect on your time serving with him and the presence he brought to the institution, the ways in which the two of you worked together and what the loss means for the house as a whole and for our country. >> well, john lewis was is irresponsible. the position that he held in congress which was the conscience of the congress is a position that was real and it was outilized to great positive to both sides of the ail when i saw it was used, what i mean is that john lewis walked a

path and brought everyone along with him and he had a higher purpose, higher than politics. his purpose was righteousness and truth and justice and equality and all of these goals that he worked for he did through love and non-violence and brought everybody along with him on that march. there is nobody in congress who has not been positively impacted by being associated with john lew lewis. he's irreplaceable we're going to miss him and it's up to each of us to stand up and remember his example and live with that example and mold ourselves in his -- in that

fashion. >> to that very point, do you think it is possible to what mark was just saying that congress could pass a new voting rights act this is something you and your colleagues have been working on since the supreme court essentially gutted it but we haven't seen very much movement. is this something that people will do in honor of john lewis do you think >> well, i think when we get the right cast of characters in congress, i hope we can do that in november, i don't want to turn this into a partisan situation but i know john lewis was looking forward to the future, looking forward to a time there were people in congress who were willing to stand up and do the right thing not just on one side of the isle but both sides john lewis was a man that reached out and had impact on both sides of the isle whenever

he spoke people listened i would like to think there is good-hearted people on the other side, sometimes it's hard to see because they all kind of run with the pact and the pact is running toward donald trump, whatever he says and does and he's leading us so far astraight but john least is a beacon of righteousness and justice and hope about what america can be and what we each, each of us, what we can bring out of ourselves to make ourselves live up to our highest potential just like he did. so i'm going to always keep his example in my mind as i proceed forward but we're really going to miss him. >> all right of course, we are. congressman hank johnson, thank you very much for your time tonight.

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the mayor of portland, oregon is calling for the removal of federal officers from the streets of his city and leaders in congress are calling an investigation into the tac c tactics being used there it shows protesters being detained by unidentified officers with no explanation and being driven away. president trump tweeted this morning quote we're trying to help portland, not hurt it their leadership has for months lost control of the anarchists and agitators. er erin mclaughlin has been covering this. >> reporter: things are calm now. last night this was a scene of total chaos. this is the federal courthouse protesters stormed through the metal barbarricades. they put them back up and this

is a city bracing for more violence tonight in portland, oregon a city stunned by exhausted bracing for the possibility of more violence. overnight, running street battles between protesters and local police the office of the portland police association set on fire unmarked federal agents with no insignia other than police sprayed tear gas and beat back protesters president trump addressed the protests on fox news sunday. >> if we don't take a stand in portland, we arrested many of these leaders, if we didn't take that stand, right now you would have a problem like -- they were going to lose portland. >> who are you >> reporter: this is portland's mayor argues video showing federal agents pulling a protester into an unmarked van made the situation worse ted wheeler is the city's police commissioner. >> the situation is definitely deescalating here. federal troops came in last saturday and they blew the whole thing up when they started attacking non-violent

demonstrators. >> reporter: the department of homeland security memo leaked to the "new york times" warns the agents need training the moment moe reads moving forward if this type of response is the norm, specialized training and standardized equipment should be deployed to responding agencies. the dhs has no comment they sent agents to protect federal property nbc news has not verified the contents of the memo for six weeks the city endured nightly violence, protest triggered by the death of george floyd. protester beverly says they will be back tonight. >> we can't turn a blind eye forever. yes, our families matter and we need to protect them but we essentially all are family our community is our family and we have to take care of each other. >> reporter: oregon's attorney general is seeking a temporary restraining order to stop what she argues are illegal arrests by federal agents. she could be in federal court as

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voltaren. the joy of movement. the state of florida passed yet another grim milestone 5,000 deaths connected to the coronavirus. still, governor ron desantis said he's optimistic his state is on the right track and a statewide mask mandate is not necessary. a number of local leaders are disagreeing. jacksonville next month just instituted its own mask mandate and miami and surrounding counties have mandatory mask orders and there is a night will you curfew in south beach. joining me is the mayor of miami

francis suarez mr. mayor, thanks so much for being on the program tonight let's just start with where things stand right now in your city you've obviously implemented a series of measures but have yet to issue a full stay-at-home order. where is your thinking about when you may have to do something more drastic to get this under control >> we're talking it one day at a ti time we've implemented measures, mask in public, the county closed indoor dining. we have a curfew that's county wide at 10:00 p.m. in south beach at 8:00 p.m. there is measures we've taken and been consulting every day. i consult at least three times a week with the department of health, with epidemiologists and hospital administration stay to - administration to see the moment well have to issue the

stay-at-home order they advice we should stay the course and see if the remediation measures will take effect we've seen evidence they are working and we'll see over the course of this week how effective they are throughout the rest of the week. >> of course, the big question looming in the future is our schools and you have some of the nation's largest public school systems in south florida there was an alarming statistic from palm beach county where a third of kids they tested, they said test results came back positive you have two young kids and like so many parents must be wrestling with this decision would you feel comfortable sending your own kids back to school given the numbers and what would you advice parents in miami-dade to do? >> i can tell you my wife and i were the other day buying a desk for home so my son who is 6 years old probably will be virtual learning at least at the beginning of the year and i know

i spoke to our superintendent that is fantastic and magnificent. he will not do anything to jeopardize our children. there is a mandate from the secretary of education but as a school superintendent, if the health department, which is also controlled by the state deems it not safe for children to go in and learn in person, then they will be able to learn virtually, at least for the first few weeks if things don't improve dramatically over the next couple weeks. >> so you are a republican, although your office is non-partisan and i know you spoke to politico and said you weren't sure if you would vote for president trump for reelection and noted he only recently wore a mask and pointed out people do lead -- need leaders in these circumstances is there anything that president trump could do in changing his approach to handling this pandemic that would wing your vote at this point or not?

>> i can tell you something he should do right away he is going to implement a federal mask rule. we should have one at the state level as well and part of the reason why is because every single urban city probably in florida already has a mask in public rule of its own but when it clear that president trump and the governor, they speak to a certain segment of our cities and people often will take the path of least resistance or point to a leader and say, you know, this particular leader doesn't emphasize or doesn't think it's necessary and then you'll have, you know, 30, 25, i don't know what percentage of our city not wearing masks and compiling and forced us this week to enforce the mask in public rule by fine, a $50 fine for the first instance, 150 for the second and 500 for the third. that's one thing he can do to take control of the situation. when there is a crisis, you need to lean into the crisis and lead

through the crisis you can't pretend the crisis doesn't exist or diminish the crisis and i think he's got to take that opportunity because time is running out. >> one other thing i've been reporting on is this conflict between the white house and senate republicans on money for testing. apparently the president wants to block billions more dollars for coronavirus testing because he feels like that contributes to numbers going up. what do you say to the president about what you in florida need from the federal government on testin testing? >> we've been testing in miami-dade county more than ever we try to make testing more available as possible. part of controlling the virus is understanding how broadly it's spreading. the other part is for contact tracers for example is reducing the amount of time that people take from the moment that they are tested to the moment they get their results so having the ability to test and back end of

it with laboratories that will produce results quickly is essential for contact tracing because from the moment somebody feels symptomatic to the moment they know they are positive, they can be in touch with dozens of people and so the more we can compress that time, the better we are being able to isolate people and being able to get people the help they need to be able to control the spread of this virus. >> all right mayor francis suarez, thank you for your time tonight, sir appreciate it and we're thinking of you as you-all try and battle this virus together. coming up next, what will it take to knock senate majority mitch mcconnell out of congress? is it possible challenger amy mcgrath joins us next after her primary win in kentucky and take. it. on... ...with rinvoq. rinvoq a once-daily pill... ...can dramatically improve symptoms... rinvoq helps tame pain, stiffness, swelling.

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since kentucky's senate primary. the race ended up being a lot closer than originally expected. but retired marine corps lieutenant amy mcgrath was the winner beating charles booker by less than 3% of the vote it means the battle lines are drawn and mcgrath will face senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. the null minted candidate for senate joins me now. good to see you again. i know we've spoken on this show and your home state as you have run there.

thank you for being with us again. let me just start with the race. we had charles booker, your primary challenger on the show as well. it was kind of a late breaking poof for him but you've spent millions on that primary you may have otherwise needed to unseat mitch mcconnell. can you argue that primary made you stronger from the outside it's hard to see how that might be the case. >> sure. this is about the people of kentucky folks wanted their voices heard. you saw an enormous amount of turnout in the primary, an enormous amount of young people turned out my message for people in the primary, whether they vote for me or anybody else is i hear you. we've got to come together we've got four months. we can do something really big here but it is going to take all of us.

we share so many beliefs this idea we've got to tackle problems in kentucky that mitch mcconnell hasn't been tack lippitackling for years. like health care, child care, covid. we've got to get rid of him in order to move forward in our state. >> how would you grade president trump's handling of the coronavirus pandemic. >> look, from the very beginning we've seen mixed messages from this administration. what you're seeing now is disastrous we have one of the worst tranlg equity ri -- trajectories in the world of coronavirus. i've been very critical not only of the federal response but also mitch mcconnell. he has the highest levels of intelligence briefings he knew about this when is the first time he said anything about coronavirus it wasn't until the stock market

crashed. all along he's been chmpg bampi big business, bailouts, leaving the every day behind adding responsibility to this. to my fellow kentuckians, look around are things getting better? under this man so many problems in the past now exacerbated by coronavirus. today kentucky had the most cases we have seen throughout this entire pandemic just today. so i'm very concerned, my neighbors are concerned. we've got to get this under control from a national perspective and we have not had the leadership doing that? >> does the president share that blame? i hear what you're saying about mitch mcconnell. how would you grade the president? >> absolutely. the president, the buck stops with him, or it should be, right? that's what a president should be doing

unfortunately we haven't had a president that stood up and taken on this responsibility he pushed it down to the states. we haven't had a senate majority leader that said, hey, mr. trump, we need to take care of this pandemic. we all want the economy to get back but we have to stand up and do the basic things we need to do like a national testing program, national tracing. all the way from the beginning senator mcconnell hasn't stood up and done these things he stood by and let the president run us into a disaster here. >> would you support or vote for a national mask mandate if you were in the senate >> you know, i think that right now as we look at the rising cases, that's not a bad thing to do look, if wearing a mask is going to help stem this pandemic, we should be able to do it.

here in kentucky our governor has mandated that masks should be used. you know, i think most of my fellow kentuckyans, whether republican or democrat, they are for that why? it's public health we want to take care of each other, protect each other. i have a 79-year-old mom i want her to be protected these are sort of basic things unfortunately our leadership has politicized this it's really to disastrous ends when we do things like that. >> final question before i let you go if democrats do take back or mitch mcconnell loses to you and you are in the senate, would you vote with democrats to end the filibuster to try and move some of those big legislative priorities they may not be able to do if they don't have 60 votes? >> here is the thing mitch mcconnell has broken the senate he has not allowed our

government to function what used to be the greatest deliberative body in the world now doesn't function under this man. you know what, we need to get our government back. if getting rid of the filibuster will do that, to pass legislation that most americans want and not have it held up and on instructed by one man, yeah, we need to do that i'm for structural change like term limits. i think you should not be in congress for 42 years, you know. that's just not where we need to be in this country we also need to get money out of politics and a lot of other things to reform our democracy and really get our democracy back to the point where the every day person believes in our government again, believes we can have public servants who love this country and put their interest above everything else that's what i want to do. >> amy mcgrath, thank you very much for your time

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in some ways seeking president in 2020 isn't that different from 2016. does this sound familiar >> are you suggesting you might not accept the results of the election can you give a direct answer you will accept the election >> i have to see i have to see. i'm not going to just say yes. i didn't last time either. >> and just as his attacks on hillary clinton grew more anderson more sinister as that election grew closer, the same with the dark picture of what a biden presidency would look like >> he will destroy this country, but it won't be him. it will be the radical left. the same type ideology that took over venezuela, one of the richest countries in the world they now have no water, they have no food, and they have no medicine that's going to happen here if he wins. >> but none of the presidents

attacks seem to be sticking as polls show biden widening his lead across the country. our nbc news "wall street journal" poll shows more than half of americans disapprove of the job the president is doing with the majority disapproving of the president's handling of coronavirus and race relations perhaps most troubling of all for the trump campaign, 72% of americans say the country is headed in the wrong direction. that number is up 16 points since march. joining me now, content executive for quibi, shawna thomas, former campaign manager david plouffe and former white house secretary for the obama administration robert gibbs. they are all msnbc political contributors or analysts it's great to have all you guys on board david plouffe, let me start with you on what we just heard there from the president essentially saying he might not accept the

election results we've seen him lay the groundwork over the course of many months raising down of vote by mail where republicans are literally burning their absentee ballots. what is your take on how democrats need to handle this? what is the posture they should take is there preparation or should there be preparation under way to deal with what could be a difficult situation with this president? >> well, it's not surprising, kasie. number one i'm whoever interested in getting republicans on record, asking them will they respect the election results most will say yes. trumpians might not. most have not followed him down the vote by mail rabbit hole why? they need people to vote for them by mail it's a crazy electoral strategy. second, we need to be prepared whether donald trump loses

november 3rd, whether when he know it that night or a week from then, autoacy clear and present danger he steps off, flies to trump tower, mar-a-lago, wherever he's going to go. he may lose but still a clear and present danger i'm not surprised at all, so i think we'll see more of it it's curious it's less likely for some of his own supporters to register to vote, vote by mail or work hard because they think the bhol thing is fixed against trump i think it's narcissism is the reason i says these things. >> robert gibbs, do you agree with this? again, not to repeat myself but the burning of the ballots seems particularly counter-productive to me. >> to pick up on what david said, if you talk to operatives in places like florida that have spent years and years working to hon hope they absentee ballot strategies, even states that

have by definition all of their ballots mail in, you've got real concern on the republican side that the damage that's being done is not to the electorate as a whole but to the republican electorate and the one most likely to vote for donald trump. as david said, it is beyond an obscure political strategy it makes no sense. i also think this is a little bit as always with things with trump, watch what he does, not necessarily what he says understand that vote by mail is something he did in the florida primary. he is almost assuredly going to vote by mail his campaign is telling people to vote by mail. it's just really weird he's sabotaging his own cam pane efforts by trying to delegitimatize what republicans have spent years and millions of dollars trying to hone in on certain places like florida. >> that's a good point let's turn to -- we mentioned the attacks that this president is now leveling at biden

the fact seems to be they are not sticking but they are sort of taking a dark turn in some ways i want to show you a little of what the president had to say in the rose garden about the suburbs and shawna will talk about it on the other side watch. >> our entire economy and our very way of life are threatened by biden's plans to transform our nation and subjugate our communities through the blunt force instrument of federal regulation at a level that you haven't even seen yet. your home will go down in value and crime rates will rapidly rise what will be the end result is you will totally destroy the beautiful suburbs. >> the beautiful suburbs shawna, i don't know it's any secret what he's trying to get at right there how would you contextualize that for our viewers?

>> i would say it's actually more coded language than i would normally expect from this president when it comes to thinking about the suburbs versus the city. there's a racial code going there -- frankly in chris wallace's interview on fox news he didn't bother when talking about the confederate flag that was a restrained part he's setting up something i find confusing. robert and david talked about the way of speaking about mail-in ballots doesn't make any sense. this doesn't make any sense either except to talk to his base but not to grow his base. independent the president wanting to make sure his base -- at least some parts of his base that respond to the conversation, not saying the entire base, but i want to reassure them, make sure they show up. if he wants to use scare tactics to do that, fine

elections are not won by just your base. you've got to get into the middle all of the polls you put up, nbc "washington post" poll, all of them are pointing towards independence, not really supporting this president. this is another one of those things that if you want those votes, one, don't tell people not to mail in the ballots but two, people hear that coded language and that worries them >> david plouffe, if anything it seems to me if you listen to this line of attack, they are trying to, perhaps, appeal to suburban women who have basicalliened abouted the president in droves. that seems to be his biggest problem. to do that in the context of what we've been dealing with with george floyd and the shift of racial politics, this president very comfortable saying all kinds of stuff like this for the entirety of his

life not just his presidential career do you think this could backfire do you think that's right that it must be the strategy behind it but doesn't seem like one that could work. >> i'd be careful assigning strategy to this crew. it's infantile he got a briefing and it's like, biden getting rid of the suburbs. the suburban voters available to trump, your point about swing voters they aren't racist, don't like racism, don't like how he dealt with george floyd, they don't like how he dealt with coronavirus. they don't like how he talks about immigrants they would like their children to go back to school they understand his mishandling of the coronavirus may be the number one reason has won't happen you have to grow, no matter how strong his base is one thing i've learned about political attacks, many, many years in politics, for them to work, there has to be a shred of credibility to voters.

true swing voters may have a lot of concerns about joe biden. they don't think he's going to eliminate suburbs and turn it into a crime invested venezuela, it's not credible. this is the problem with trump he hasn't landed an attack on biden -- what people like me think, it doesn't matter will voters find it credible so far they have struck out. >> robert gibbs, do you think there is a credible attack it seems like they have tried a few things certainly republicans in congress are trying sort of to focus in on hunter biden but epa that doesn't seem to be sticking is there anything the biden campaign should be worried about? >> i think if i was the biden campaign, what i'd be worried about is filling in joe biden. you've covered him and others have covered him for his entire political career, some people 40 years but there's not as much known about him. if i'm in the biden campaign every day, i'm getting up trying

to figure out how do i talk about what he stands for, what his values are and what he wants to do for the next four years. if you're in the trump campaign that this close to the election you haven't settled on that flame. i would totally agree with what david said it's not a believable frame. for one reason, which is donald trump -- or i should say for joe biden. people don't think of him as this crazy, wacky person that is being described by trump also, trump is a wounded messenger. you saw and showed those polls around, is he trusted to deal with coronavirus is he trusted to deal with race relations? is he trusted to deal with the chaos he unleashed voters overwhelmingly, particularly in the suburbs, have said, no. he's not running a re-election right now that's talking to him. shawna said it, he's talking only to his base i don't understand how he thinks he's going to add to it between now and election day if he only talks to a very different subset

of the electorate, one that's already made up their mind but not one that's going to add vote. >> i guess the flip side of this question, too, shawna is who decides not to show up we've seen the trump campaign use this as an element of their strategy as well, trying to use digital platforms to discourage african-american voting. we know african-american voting is so important for any democratic nominee do you see that having a significant impact >> i mean, i think one thing that does kind of make sense about this strategy, he is sort of reliving 2016 but forgetting we are now in 2020 with all of these different factors that are going on right now in 2016, there was a depressed voter turnout when it came to african-americans. they did not show up the way they did in 2012 for barack obama, so i can understand from president trump's position, hey,

in 2016 i said a lot of similar things some of the things he talks about, as you have said and all of us have said on tv before, he is remarkably consistent in sort of his hyperbole and some of the racist attacks he does he thinks that works my base showed up. people were surprised by people that weren't my base that showed up for me. why would i change my point of view now when it worked before the thing that is confusing and that we see playing out with coronavirus and the campaign, he doesn't seem to be able to take in new information about the world that is around him right now and adjust his position to that if he can't do that, if he thinks the same exact tactics are going to go on and going to work that worked in 2016 in the world where black lives matter is still in the streets, people are still talking about this

this will still be an election topic, even though we're 107 days away from the election. i think it's 107 i think i'm right about that i don't -- none of this is going to change. it just comes back to this idea that if he's not talking to anyone else other than his base, i don't know if even trying to depress voter turnout work because people want equality people want to have a real conversation about race and policing people want to make sure their grandmother, mother, cousins don't die of coronavirus people are paying attention. i think even nbc "wall street journal" poll recently said 77% of people are actually really interested in the election right now. he can't make people suddenly decide they don't care when it's actually a life or death situati situation. >> it's pretty hard to imagine any incumbent president saying

72% of the electorate that it's going in the wrong direction that fundamental reality we're dealing with shawna thomas, david plouffe, robert gibbs, thank you all. great to have you on board. coming up, the united states loses two civil rights icons in the same day, john lewis and c.t. vivian. a man who knew both of them and was a big name in the civil rights movement himself joins me on "kasie dc." ta-da!

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roommates turned civil rights leaders, john lewis and bernard lafayette worked together at the forefront of the fight for social justice from late night philosophy discussions at baptist college in nashville to sparking change as freedom riders in the south, the two found themselves getting into good trouble. now lafayette is mourning the loss of two life lopping friends with john lewis and c.t. vivian. bernard lafayette, thank you for coming on the program tonight. it's a true honor to have you. i'm hoping you'll simply reflect on what you knew about john lewis when the two of you were roommates together and the arc of his life and your life alongside it to bring us to where we are today >> yes well, it's really kind of difficu

difficult, but i feel this is a great opportunity for us to really realize what great giant of a person we had with us of course being my roommate, just casual. john lewis was one who always exemplified the best of coalitions in other words, bringing people together, even people who were, you know, separated in their thoughts and ideas he exemplified exactly what it was about. yes. >> i read you spoke with the "new york times," and you talked about joining together with him to get on a bus together with the driver tell you that you couldn't sit in the front row. take us back to that night and

that time when you were together facing that down >> well, this was the christmas holiday of 1960, and we had already desegregated the buses, the bus station in nashville, tennessee, because we desegregated the lunch counters downtown and the bus station had lunch counters and they were downtown so we sat in at the bus station and we desegregated those at the same time we did the dime stores and that kind of thing we decided sips we had desegregated the greyhound bus station, why not go and try to desegregate the buses. we decided as we went home that christmas holiday that he would sit on the front seat across from the driver, and i would seat on the front seat right

behind the driver. we decided we were going to stay there. the bus driver got off the bus when he couldn't get us to move to the back, and he was hoping to get some reinforcement mainly from the police department, but he didn't succeed. so we stayed there now, he was very angry that is the thing we were aware of the bus driver was angry with us as we took off the bus driver rammed his seat, it was on a rail, to give him distance between the steering wheel and that sort of thing he rammed his seat right in my suit case, put a hole in my suit case i thought, that could have been a hole in my leg but fortunately that suit case was there. as we took off and we went -- it was at night we road all the way, stropd along the way at different

cities all the whites had to go behind us to sit down well, when we got to troy, alabama, and that was the first first stop for one of us that's where john lewis got off the bus. it was dark. his ride was not there the car that was supposed to pick him up, his family members. so he got off the bus. and i was saying, you know, good-bye to him. when i said good-bye, it was sort of fatal, because i didn't know what would happen to him. i was afraid he would be attacked by some people who the bus driver had contacted or something like that. when i said good-bye to him, i took off, and i was by myself and i was saying to myself, hey, what's going to happen to me

yeah >> yeah. >> but fortunately -- >> so many -- fortunately you are sitting here today and we are unfortunately missing john lewis. so many people have pointed out how many times he really had his life on the line, that it is so remarkable he lived to become the leader he is before i let you go, what do you think we need to do now with the remainder of our lives to honor john lewis's legacy? >> well, the main thing we can do to honor john lewis's legacy is to look at the contribution he made and look at the manner which he went about bringing about social change. he didn't just participate, he gave leadership. that was one of the characteristics of john lewis. it was calm, consistent, and insistent leadership all the way

from a student to congress he believed there was an opportunity for leaders to give, okay, a great contribution, because they could bring others. that's the key to it what we should learn from john lewis, don't just be by yourself, look at ways in which you can bring other leaders together in order to accomplish your goal. >> all right bernard lafayette, jr. thank you very much for joining us and sharing your memories with us. thank you. coming up next, the coronavirus search in texas. officials have ordered more body bags and refrigerated trucks as the state sets another record for deaths in a single day former secretary of housing and development julian castro joins me to talk about the troubling developments in his home state

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of this fight most of all. so abbott is getting new tests into their hands, delivering the critical results they need. and until this fight is over, we...will...never...quit. because they never quit. more federal and military resources are on their way to texas as coronavirus cases continue to soar the department of defense is deploying five u.s. navy teams to help combat the spike through the south and southwest regions anticipating the dire situation

the state could face in the upcoming weeks, fema is sending 14 additional refrigerated trucks to serve as temporary mortuaries, that's 14 in addition to 8 that were sent to the state in april on friday texas became the fourth straight to eclipse 300,000 cases joining the ranks alongside new york, florida, and california while new york still leads the nation with the highest number of confirmed case, nbc news calculates texas, florida, california could surpass that state record by the end of july if this trend continues. joining me now is former secretary of housing and urban development julian castro. secretary castro, i first, of course, want to extend my condolences, you and your family on the loss of your stepmother from covid-19. i think that would be my first question for you how is your family coping with this and what have you

unfortunately learned? so many families are experiencing what you have tragically gone through. >> thank you very much, kasie, for your condolences we lost our stepmother -- joaquin and i lost our stepmother alice my father and alice had been married for 31 years in fact, they had had their 31st anniversary just two days before she passed away. she was a wonderful woman, fantastic mother, fantastic wife she had been a cafeteria worker in one of the local school districts for a number of years. for us it just drove home how tragic this entire situation is because her family was not able to be there to grieve with her for the last 3 1/2 weeks of her life, including my dad the last time he had seen her was a month, four weeks before

she passed away when he took her to the hospital. he contracted coronavirus as well so for the last few days after her passing, we have not been able to be with him and grieve with him, and he hasn't been able to grieve like any husband would. it drives home what families across the country are going through. the lesson i take from that is all of us should take this virus seriously. all of us should do the things people are suggesting we do. you know, wear masks, practice social distancing, don't go out if you don't have to be responsible and think about others >> what do you think leaders in texas should do to try to get the pandemic under control there? do you think the situation is dire enough that a stay-at-home order is necessary >> i believe that it is necessary. just to back up for a second,

there were three critical mistakes governor abbott made in early may. number one, in early may he opened up the state too early. secondly, when he opened up the state, there was insufficient testing and contact tracing going on in texas, the two things that public health excerpts tell us you absolutely needed to have in place if you were going to reopen at the time we ranked 48th per capit c -- per capita when asked about masks, mayors, judges, he said no my order supersedes you all and i'm not going to require masks he and folks like ted cruz celebrated a hair salon owner that disobeyed statewide orders that were in place

they created this culture of permissiveness around doing whatever you want to do. now he's had to backtrack. in the course of this week, which journalists are saying is the worst week so far. it has been for number of deaths we had 93 deaths in texas, the highest for a single day this week the most for ab seven-day stretch. in the last week the governor has said, hey, if y'all don't, people don't take orders seriously and do what you can do, we may have to have a shutdown then five days later he came back and said, no, there's not going to be a shutdown in texas. these half baked hear no evil, see no evil,hear no evil continue it's a perfect example of the tragedy that happens in a national pandemic like this when you put politics and right wing

ideology above science and the public health. that's what's happened here. >> let me ask you about kids i know you have family in corpus christi nearby or where you're from or nearby, 81 tested positive for coronavirus. do you think that schools should be open in the fall? would you feel comfortable sending your kids back to school. >> that's a great question it's a parent that parents across the state, across the country, really across the world are having to grapple with my wife erica and i have an 11-year-old about to go into 6th grade and a 5-year-old about to go into kindergarten they go to schools back to in-person classes.

than doing it virtually, doing it online. distance learning. so there's a balance of factors there. but ultimately i don't have confidence right now that our state government and public health agency has this under control. i'm not going to put my kids there and make them more susceptible to getting sick and spreading that to other folks, including teachers and other staff there. we have to think about them, teachers and staff they aren't 10 years old, 11 years old. many of them are right in that danger zone if they contract this where the mortality rate is higher so i would not -- right now i would not send my kids back to school, no >> a tough decision that is facing so many parents across

the country and one that is potentially avoidable had the pandemic been able to be brought under control. julian castro, thank you so much as always, great to have you, sir. when we return, a candidate, john lewis, patron saint of voting rights in a steta that struggled with voter suppression. he'll join me coming up next

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tributes continuing to pour in for congressman john lewis as the nation remembers his remarkable legacy. at his home church ebenezer baptist, they are mourning the loss of a man who served their community as a leader and friend joining me is the senior pastor at the ebenezer baptist church and also a democratic candidate for u.s. senate in georgia reverend, thank you so much for coming back on the program it's great to have you i actually want to zero in on the fact that we spend a lot of time reflecting on john lewis's life and legacy but pushing forward people have mentioned tonight on this program, the voting rights act gutted by a supreme court decision, putting a new one forward could be something that a material manifestsation of lewis's legacy do you think that is possible?

could you call for that? how would you advocate for that should you be elected to the u.s. senate? >> absolutely. good to be here with you thank you so much. john lewis was committed, absolutely committed to the right to vote, which he called the most powerful tool in a democratic society he said it was almost sacred he understood our voice is our voice. our voice is human dignity that's why he was so willing to sacrifice so much for so long. you really can't celebrate john lewis without a deep commitment to the american franchise, the right to vote, which preserves all other rights ironically he held my beloved state of georgia that is ground zero for voter suppression much of that is aided and abetted by the way in which the

supreme court demolished the voting rights act in 2013. we don't have the protection of free clearance those who will offer pious platitudes in honor of john lewis over the coming days need to get busy in the congress renewing the voting rights act otherwise there's a kind of hypocrisy that should not be tolerated by the american people. >> georgia, what you call your beloved home state also has two senate races we've talked about it from a political perspective over and over again, frankly, in election cycles this year does seem to potentially be different there seems to be a time if you can overcome the hurdles you laid out from a voting perspective we could actually see a change from republican to democrat, especially given the

way african-american voters and frankly white voters as well are talking about issues of racial justice in the wake of george floyd's killing. do you think that national democrats and others are prepared to come into georgia in a way that could potentially make a difference for you and for the other candidate running for senate in georgia? >> i think the wonderful thing is that there's a ground swell right here on the grounds in georgia. you know, i think we'll have friends from all over the place who will respond to the energy that's on the ground this is a new georgia. this is the new south emerging it is more diverse it is open it is inclusive, and it understands we are stronger when we create a society that embraces all of them i'm excited. we had 1.3 million voters who up in the democratic primary on

june 9th there was a lot of attention in the media, and understandably so, on all of the forms of voter suppression that were taking place, the long lines. but the good news is that voters with stood the heat and the rain and voted in record numbers. they exceeded the numbers of the 2008 primary when barack obama became the nominee so this is a new moment. people on both sides of the aisle see it i think the other side is engaging with voter suppression because they know the electorate is with us people who have confidence don't engage in voter suppression. there's a sense politicians are deciding to pick the voters rather than pick those who would serve them so in the spirit of john lewis, regardless of our party, our partisan perspective, at the end of the day the great thing about

america is that ideally we should be able to have our arguments about the distribution of resources, the direction of the country. but at the end of the day when election santa rosa been heard, the people must be assured with every confidence that the people have spoken, not some other forces not the voter suppression but people have been able to express their voice and their voice has been heard >> what do you think -- you're preaching every weekend at the storied church where you are are people, in your view, inspired right now quickly before we go, do you think they are demoralized by what has gone on and how do you navigate that line >> i don't think we can afford

to be demoralized particularly as we lift up the lives of john lewis and c.t. vivian. i knew them both these were men who stood in the face of hopelessness and they kept hoping against hope theirs was a faith and spiritual power born of suffering, a moral authority that transcended human station and called upon humanless to more closely align itself with the law of love. the reason we pause and talk about them tonight is because they didn't simply express the law of love, which looks like justice, by the way, but they embodied it. a real sense, they call us in this moment to respond to what lincoln called the higher angels in our nature. i'm encouraged because i'm seeing a multiracial coalition of people pouring out into american streets and they are pushing against those who cannot

lead us, so they seek to divide us they are pushing toward a new more open, more inclusive, more just america for that we owe john lewis and c.t. vivian a debt of service and praise >> all right reverend raphael warnock, thanks so much for your insights tonight. we hope to see you again sometime down the line coming up, a former clinton campaign staffer on her turn at writing fiction after the stranger than fiction race of 2015 we're back after this. how about no

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president trump's victory over hillary clinton in 2016 left many democrats in washington adrift, not sure what to do next, uncertain about the next career move and some obviously stayed in the business of applicatipolitics but others something knew with me is the lead digital writer for hillary clinton's presidential campaign. after that she decided to write a novel called "one to watch" kate joins us now. it's great to have you on the show you know, i've been thinking a lot -- >> thank you >> -- about how got to this appointment. i remember covering the elections in 2016. obviously so many of us were surprised mchlt staffers, people alongside you in tears, everyone shocked, particularly the women

who worked for her i'm curious. how you experienced that and how you got here this writing a novel after experiencing that and hillary clinton herself has actually talked about your novel as well. >> yeah. she's someone very special you know, i remember on november 9th being in the second row watching her give the concession speech she had written that morning and the over whemg generosity at that moment to encourage girls and women. i was devastated, we all were, but when i came back to los angeles, whenever i'd be having a tough writing day i would look to her picture and know she wants us to pursue our dreams and that's exactly what i'm here doing. >> talk to us a little bit about the book it's landed on some pretty big

targets list, for example. it confronts reality tv, which of course was donald trump's specialty before he was president of the united states and it also grapples with the inclusivity which i think speaks to the moment we're living in right now. >> yeah. so "one to watch" is about a plus side blogger who has her world turned upside down certainly having worked for secretary clinton's campaign, i had a little experience of this idea of you feel like this normal regular person and all of a sudden everyone in the world is really interested for you i'm eating pop tarts for dinner, but what else is going on? we're going to send a camera to catch it i tried to bring that experience into the writing as much as i could. now it's been amazing to see target of the month, usa today

bestseller it's been exciting to see people connecting with its and connecting with the idea that we should see more representation in media, whether that's politics, reality television, scripted television, seeing people of different sizes of different skin toes of different gender ie debit advertise. that's an idea people are connecting with and that audiences are demanding to see themselves represented it means so much to see people connecting with the book in that way. >> quickly, what do you hope that girls, young women reading this book take away from it and from your experience on the campaign as well >> well, from the book, i hope that women and girls who read it see that these standards are stupid and that they're not the right way to measure who you are or your value or your worth. and whether you're a kind person or a happy person, whether you're good to the people that you love whether you're taking actions in whatever way you can to make your community a little more

just for the people who live in it the size of your waistline or how your face looks, women have so much more to say and so much more power to exert in the world that that. when i saw that, when secretary clinton would meet little girls and talk to them about the power of pursuing their dreams, that stuck with me. i hope i've been able to do it a little bit of justice in the book >> all right the book is "one to watch. kate london, thank you for your time tonight i have started the book. i'm so excited to finish it coming up next week. that does it for here. joshua johnson picks up coverage for now from me, good night from washington good morning, blair. [ chuckles ] whoo. i'm gonna grow big and strong. yes, you are. i'm gonna get this place all clean. i'll give you a hand. and i'm gonna put lisa on crutches! wait, what? said she's gonna need crutches. she fell pretty hard.

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