we're definitely getting more admissions every day than we're having discharges. we're starting to fill up. >> we don't know when it's going to stop. i know everybody is getting sick out and around time. we know that more is coming at some point trying to brace ourselves for the long haul. >> i would much rather see us be able to prevent infections rather than trying to deal with the consequences and people in the hospital and the hospitals filling up >> these patients are sick

when i say ta ahey are sick, thy are very sick. wear mask when you go out. use good hand washing. if you don't want to wear a mask for yourself, wear it for others >> once again, we have beginning the show with sound from medical workers on the front lines of this pandemic. welcome to monday. it's "meet the press daily." i'm as cases surge, as deaths rise, as some states and cities consider locking down again, the white house today said it will be restarting daily coronavirus briefings featuring the president. a senior administration official tells nbc news that their decision is the result of the white house's internal polling this move is perhaps a sign of just how alarming they view the current situation. remember the white house originally pulled the plug on these briefings amid concerns of the president's involvement was making things worse.

in one of his last task force briefings he suggested the virus could be treated with an injection of household disinfectant like bleach the shift in strategy comes as cases are surging. hospital levels are at cases that have not been seen since the spring surge in northeast and deaths are rising along with it if the president seems incapable of acknowledging the severity of the situation. here he was in an interview that aired just yesterday >> we have more tests by far than any country in the world. >> sir, testing is up 37%. >> that's good >> i understand. cases are up 194%. it isn't just the testing has gone up. it's that the virus has spread the positivity rate has increased. >> many of those cases are young people that would heal in day. they have the sniffles and we put it down as a test.

many of them, don't forget, i guess it's like 99.7%, people will get better and in many cases they will get better very quickly. cases are up many of them shouldn't be cases. cases are up because wi have the best testing in the world and we have the most testing. take a look at europe. take a look at the numbers in europe >> they're having cases are 6,000 in the whole european union. >> they don't test they don't test like we do >> is it possible they don't have the badly as we do. >> it's possible they don't test it's going to disappear. >> does that discredit you >> i don't think so. you any why it doesn't discredit me because i've been right probably more than anything else >> as deaths surpass 140,000, the president in that interview, also down played the mortality rate of the virus. he down played the effectiveness of masks he questioned the expertise of top public health experts.

it raises the question, is the white house bringing back these daily briefings in an attempt to change the president's message or merely to amplify it. the dark reality facing this country right now is over pow powering his narrative that the u.s. is winning this fight case in point, on capitol hill and at the white house, another massive emergency financial rescue package is now starting to take shape. it's expected to top a trillion dollars. joining me now from the white house is nbc carol lee, garrett is on capitol hill and with us is robert costa, washington post national political reporter and an msnbc political analyst carol, i want to pose that question to you. these restarting of the coronavirus task force briefings, is this a change in strategy, a change in messaging or are they just reamplifying the message that the president has been on now for months which is that this virus is not that

big of a deal? >> it's the question of the day. it remains to be seen. if you talk to the president's aide, they have a very specific shift in strategy that they would like him to embrace, which is being out there more publicly one senior administration official telling us he was leading quietly but he needs to lead publicly. they want him focus on supplies getting done he's talking to this governor about whatever issue governor x is having and look like he's commanding and in charge of a response that is what they want him to do what he actually winds up saying could be a completely different story. we have seen the president, he's very much on the defensive about this he puts up a number of reasons why his handling of the coronavirus, defending his handling of the coronavirus pandemic whether he can do what his aides want to do and once he gets to the podium is the big question

but there's no doubt he's planning to return these briefings. they're supposed to have one tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. which will be the first one and we'll see what he has to say >> robert, is that the sense that republican governors are governors around the country are getting that the president is privately leading as carol just said the white house believes he's doing and now he's doing to publicly lead. are governors feeling like the president is giving him, giving them a coherent strategy for what they should do in their states >> reporter: many governors are taking their own lead, on both sooid sides of the aisle they are taking the lead whether to wear a face covering. mayors are taking charge in is a virus, pandemic and now seen leadership much more beyond washington rather than waiting for the white house to take a position and every one follows in line. the biggest issue for many of these governors is money will the money be there for

schools, if schools are going to reopen will the money be there for unemployment insurance that's why congress is starting this round of negotiations right now. it's really under pressure governors to their congress mn e men, women to their senators that's prompting this discussion >> robert, what about the strategy of restarting these briefings and having the president at the helm. when he was doing this earlier, his approval ratings dropped they were not widely seen as successful the ratings, were very high but he was suggesting things like injecting bleach to kill the virus. using a very strong light into the body to kill the virus what is the thinking behind getting him back in front of the american public on this. . >> reporter: it's about the

president being restless because there's not an opportunity for rally beyond maybe an airplane hangar, the president wants to be out front to try to jump start his own re-election campaign and that involves going back to these briefings. he wants to be relentless in his message even though when he had the briefings before that sometimes stretched over two hours, his poll numbers did slide. >> garrett, you're on capitol hill the senate is back there's this renewed push to get something done to help americans once again the white house wants a one set of items in this bill. republicans want another set and democrats still want others. where are we now in terms of the negotiations what's likely to get through into this bill and who will be happy about it >> reporter: we're really just getting started on the goe negotiations today mark meadows and treasury

secretary mnuchin will be on the hill to meet with republicans. they're coming back tomorrow to meet with democratic leaders republicans at the start can't agree amongst themselves the white house has been pushing for quite some time to include a payroll tax cut in whatever the next relief bill gets passed senate republicans throughout the course of the day today are pretty cool on that idea they say it's expensive and doesn't help the people who need it most because you can only get payroll tax cut if you're still on the payroll the outstanding issues include keeping these plussed up unemployment benefits in place democrats want to see that happen it was included in heroes act bill that they passed back in may. republicans want to get rid of that i think where we're see some agreement and the questions will be about how much money to spend will be beyond some of issues that bob laid out. the idea of money for schools. making sure that schools have what they need the try to get students back into the classroom this fall and the money for testing. particular now that we're

starting to see the spread along traditional blue states that need addition help to do the basics like testing and tracing the try to keep their populations healthy. >> garrett, what about any wiggle room on the unemployment benefits peter navarro and mnuchin were signaling they might support the unemployment benefits. >> reporter: this was an interesting suggest. i asked john cornyn and he said maybe the plussed up number can come down so they can find some additional help. they have to find a goldilocks number where republicans can be satisfied where people are not choosing to stay unemployed because they are making more money doing so that could be a delicate proposition. >> why no money in this bill that will come to pass for states democrats wanted money in it for

states after new york and some of the other blue states were hit hard now that red states are being hit just as hard as new york was, why are republicans and the president not budging on making sure that state budgets are able to get through this? >> reporter: based on my reporting it's sbha fluid at this point it's not a question of whether money will goto states some money will go to states the question is what will the caveat be on top of that money for example, if it's just going to go to schools, will it be required for those schools to be reopened in order to get that money or when it comes covid funding what will be funded. will it be testing sites or something else republicans are more open for doing something for schools in covid related funding rather than doing more unemployment insurance. that's clear based on my conversations with republicans what is also on the table is another round of stimulus money for americans who are going

through tough times. the question there is when will that come. how close to the election. >> carol, are you getting any idea from the white house what they would be willing to sign if there's not a payroll tax cut in there. would the president still sign ta bill? >> reporter: they are really focused. they left some wiggle room on that they are focused on the idea of direct payments. you heard secretary mnu chin talking about bringing people back to work it's all focused on getting the economy open and supporting people through that as they go through the process. the president still says he wants payroll tax cut. that thafaces a lot of head win. he has gone back and forth where he said he won't sign anything to leaving the door open a little bit on that

>> garrett, how much influence does the president wield over republicans in congress. >> this is always an interesting question >> in an election year, everybody's politics get more complicated. it does seem like it will be mitch mcconnell and his team driving the bus on what goes into the senate republicans bill, not the white house. >> i guess the last big question to you robert which is just how panicked is the white house about the president's re-election chances. we saw him send out a tweet after talking about how masks were not necessary for months. yesterday even saying that masks were personal choice he sent out a tweet calling mask patriotic with a picture of

himself. here it is right there they are restarting the coronavirus task force briefings because as carol has been reporting of internal polling. how panicked is the white house? how panicked is the campaign right now? >> the republican party is panicked the president continues to just now forward with his different battles. they are totally at risk unless the messaging changes on the pandemic that's why they are pressuring leader mcconnell to help them get something done so they can talk about it beyond the issues the president is raising at this point republicans feel they can't really break from the president too much >> quickly, one more small

thing, you're wearing a mask on capitol hill inside. what's the change? >> reporter: sort of a safety first. i think that's what it boils down to here it's indoors but it's a big building but it's still indoors. >> you look good in the mask good color choice today. every one thank you very much. ahead, some very encouraging news in the search for a coronavirus vaccine. how soon could one actually be available? we'll talk with the top infectious disease expert. a legacy of good trouble the life's work and enduring message of congressman and zifrl rights pioneer john lewis. it's a big night here on msnbc. joy reid is coming to prime time don't miss out on the debut of "the reid out" tonight at 7:00 p.m. eastern we'll be right back. this is my body of proof.

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very important, the immune responses are strong both arms stimulated we get good neutralizing antibodies very good piece responses. we think that's very unusual and that this vaccine time is designed to stimulate as well as aen antibeside response. >> welcome back with cases surging and no end in site, this pandemic may not be brought fully under control without a vaccine. that was oxford's lead vaccine researchers explaining the type of double immunity that the experimental vaccine may provide as the results of the first trial phase became public today. it's encouraging news but some health officials are reacting with cautious optimism because we still have a long way to go in this process.

the oxford vaccine is already in its phase three trials which is the last major hurdle before approval with plans to expand its testing to the united states always good to see you how hopeful should we be about this vaccine we have learned a lot about immunity we have these two arms, two wings of the human immune system one is the antibeside of ody an other is the t cell. what we have now learned is that over time people can, particularly if they had a mild disease with covid-19, we can

see their antibodies go down the good news is we have seen that t cell plays a role and might provide a longer lasting protection there's data, not just from the oxford group but also from moderna showing increase in neutralizing antibodies and impact of the cellular tells us these are promising numbers. when they are taken into trials they might show results. it's all numbers i think what we need to see is to take the numbers into humans for this efficacy trials the kind of things we want to look at are patients that have the vaccine can fight off an infection. the other is how long is that immunity the durability given the fact you're stimulating both sides of the immune system and the third is does it remain safe when you give it to an even bigger group of people. >> how quickly will you be able to figure out some of those

variables? >> the big limiting factor is when you have phase three trials you're giving people the vaccine and letting them go about their lives coming into contact with covid-19 it's the opportunity of being in a community that might have this risk if you have an intensified outbreak, you might have more chances. that time lag is the idea that you're not tall l actually givig people the decide and watching to see what the reaction is. the impact at how long it's going to be is completely going to depend on the vaccine and responses we see and how long all of them were to see, do they continue to be protected even in longer period of time. the other thing, the thing we shortened, operational warp speed, dr. fauci talked about the fact we put some cost into this which means the u.s. government is invested in manufacturing doses of the top three vaccines, johnson and

johnson, astrazeneca and moderna. they may not have access to health care and watch the larger community for safety >> let me ask you about that fingers crossed, one of these vaccines provides some immunity and it's safe and goes well. it's able to come to market. how do you -- how will it be decided who gets the vaccine and how long could it take to vaccinate the world? >> well, there is a big global effort on this there's a w.h.o. led effort called the access to covid tools accelerator, act accelerator and the goal of this is to do exactly what you said is to get to every corner of world that seem promising because tamping this decide out everywhere is all of our best interest there is actually effort put into there

the problem is the u.s. hasn't played the kind of leadership role we should be playing to get that forward and moving because we have withdrawn from the w.h.o. and not visible in this leadership the delays will be not just the manufacturing and distribution but we're having states that are not mandating masks. the question is if you have a state with a lot of disease and looking at mandating vaccine, how much will look at that and how much people will get vaccinated given the amount of public health distrust that's been created >> while we wait for a vaccine, we have found some promising results with some therapeutics one of those is remdisivir now there's a shortage and doctors are being forced into making hard decisions. >> that's right. we're seeing in some of the hardest hit spots there's a question of whether you're

getting enough supply. it's unclear because is it because we don't have enough of it or is it because the distribution is right. doesn't matter it doesn't matter. in the earlier segment you had one of health care workers talk about we want to prevent these cases. we don't want to have to take care of the cases once they are in the hospital. the bigger the outbreaks get, one states let their outbreaks get out of control, they using up the national supply what happens in fall when it's nationalized out break because of flu season and traditional coronavirus season that's what i worry about.

>> all of these problems from the spread of the disease to distribution of the vaccine when it's available if it becomes available can be mitigated if we all wear a mask. am i right about that? >> yes, every single evidence points to that owe reduce transmission around you. >> wear a mask thank you so much for joining us today. we appreciate your time. two coronavirus hot spot trying to bend their couraurves. we're live in two states with the latest on the battle against the surge. stay with us usaa is made for what's next no matter what challenges life throws at you, we're always here to help with fast response and great service and it doesn't stop there

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it is inckucup bent upon alf us to recognize what is self-evident thands is it's our decision to determine our fate and future as it relates to the spread of the virus. >> california governor made that plea to residents a short time ago. just day after los angeles mayor admitted his city may have reopened too quickly and may have to shut down again soon

more than half of those infected of 41. this situation is just as dire in texas while texas governor greg abbott issued a mask order more than two weeks ago, the state has reported more than 160,000 new cases and more than 1500 new deaths since then. nbc morgan joins us from dallas. morgan, i want to start with you. is this a two-week lag from what we're seeing in texas. the governor issued a mask order two weeks ago. are we seeing what happened before that mask order was put into place or are people out there not necessarily obeying that mask order? >> reporter: i think that's where you are. in the urban areas i'm witnesses

more people not having a problem with putting these masks on. we know that really across the entire state of texas, we have cities that have turned into hot zones for the virus. that mask mandate put in place on july 2nd is what the governor is pointing to hopefully slow the spread of those numbers down we have yet to see that and that's what we're hoping to see in the days and weeks ahead. 4,000 people have died in texas as a result of covid-19. 20% of those happened last week. when you see the spike continuing the rise, it has a lot of people frustrated on what it will take to contain the virus here >> 20% in one week is a lot you're standing outside of walmart because they are requiring masks to go into their

stores what have people been telling you about whether they feel okay with that and how do walmart employees feel about having to mandate people, customers wear masks inside their stores especially after we have seen some violent confrontations between customers who are unwilling to wear a mask and employees of a store who are just abiding by company policy >> reporter: compliance going be a crucial issue. more than a thirpd of stores are located in areas where there's no mask man date in place. that said, the company is putting out employees just outside of those front entrances that they are calling health ambassadors. it's important to note they are not the ones who are physically going to be enforcing this new rule, if you will. they will be reminding anyone who walks inside to make sure they have mask on. one of the leaders for cvs went

further in saying his employees will not interfere with someone physically should they refuse to wear a mask. what we're starting to see is the businesses come out and take a stance on this as far as what people think about it, i had a chance to speak to shoppers walking in no one had a problem with it one guy said if i have to put this on, even though i hate it, i will because that's where we are now. >> it's so hard to make employees enforce something that the state should be doing itself forcing the employees to keep people safe when local leaders should be responsible for taking on that responsibility joe, what's happening in california the pandemic or the virus was under somewhat control a few months ago in los angeles. it's now not under control how long before the mayor decides the shut down los angeles again?

are rp he's saying he doesn't have the control to shut down thety in the way he wants to this has governor newsom giving a press conference about the increasing positivity rate here is what he just said. >> we have to minimize our mixing we have to minimize the transmission of this disease we have to minimize that by practicing physical distancing, wearing the face coverings and doing the kinds of things that i think are well described and obviously now need to be more vigilantly followed if we're going to move past this. >> reporter: the governor wants that more individuvigilantly fo.

you have a 10% positivity rate you can expect to see more guidelines but other news that we got today that pertains to so many families, the governing body that over sees sports for high school now saying all high school sports will not be allowed to start until december or january at the latest you might be seeing a springtime football season. >> holy. i know los angeles is having a hard time. is the bay area having a hard time, any other areas of california that are seeing a spike? >> reporter: we know that 33 counties are on governor newsom's watchlist that means if you're on it and you're on it, you have to be off of it for two weeks in order to be eligible to reopen schools.

you have a lot of counties that are on the brink as they try to figure out what to do. californians were on lockdown for so long. a lot of people not so eager to stay home even though that is the necessity here it's been a complicated situation throughout the entire state. >> thank you guys very much. still ahead, the extraordinary life and legacy of john lewis we'll talk to another legendary civil rights fighter about his friendship with the congressman and their work in shapinthg is country's future stay with us machin my bladder leak pad? i thought it had to be thick to protect. but new always discreet is made differently. with ultra-thin layers that turn liquid to gel and lock it inside.

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and cannot be patient. >> welcome back. that was john lewis speaking at the march on washington in 1963. his words resonate deeply with flags in crisis today as the country confronts issues of race even during his last days congressman lewis came out in support of the black lives matter movement. he led for voting rights in 1965 only to be beaten up by state troopers an event that later came to be known as bloody sunday the nation remembers him today, including a moment of silence at

the house of representatives where he represented the state of alabama for 30 years. lewis died on friday at the age of 80. with me now are two gentlemen who can speak to the legacy of lewis and what it means for america especially in this moment of crisis welcome to you both. ambassador, young, i do want to start with you you had known congressman lewis for a long time. you fought with him. what does his legacy mean and what should with be holding onto right now especially >> i think the thing that i think of first is his c

consisten consistency. we saw him when he was 21 years old and we saw heim at 80 years old still on the case. still making sure that america lived up to the true meaning of its creeds i remember him on a trip to india he organized on the 50th anniversary of martin luther king visit to india. i've never seen him so happy as he was there in louisiana walking in the footsteps after ghandi we still have a long way to go

but we have come a long, long way. we have done it without violence and he said i won't be patient he wasn't patient because we have at a serious of victories along the way. it's great struggle. we're in it with not only african-americans and former slaves but we have unclass as a result of this pandemic that requires a new look at the total economy of planet on which we live that can only be done without violence >> my greatest apologies i misspoke i said alabama i meant georgia. my apologies >> it's all the same >> it's not all the same

we're living in this moment and people are so desirous of change and there's a lot of debate about what's the most effective way to get to that change. if we're looking back on this moment now, another 30 years from now, ambassador young what do you think john lewis would want to see in the footsteps of his legacy >> he would want to see is everybody having a basic floor of free education. i think the pandemic, if nothing else has taught us that rich people can't be healthy unless poor people are healthy too. the call for health care for all americans and vaccine that helps

us fight all of these pandemics because there are others coming. i think that's a result of climate change and i think he always saw the interrelationship between the condition of the black minority and its relationships to the white majority of the hispanic group, gay and lesbian communities and immigrants we are, we have a universal economy and i don't think it can be a national economy that's healthy until you have a healthy global economy we are inextricably bound in a single garment of destiny.

>> a beautiful way to put it what are you planning on saying? >> one of the most remarkable things he said to me in 30 years of conversations was about six weeks ago when he said that he felt restless and he wished he could do more to bring about the kind of justice on the issues that you and ambassador young are talking about. he was restless. he was 80 years old suffering from stage four pancreatic cancer he is an icon of one of our finest hours as a nation, if not the finest hour. he was restless. he was restless because he was driven by the christian gospel ghandi was the means but the gospel was the motive force. it was an intuitive belief for

him. when he heard the message of the bible as a boy in troy, alabama. he married that, matched it with the fact that he had a instinctive revoltion when he went into town to the white only and colored only signs it was instinctive he is a saint in our time, which is not to elevate him above human experience but to say that within human experience he lived a life of exemplary virtue willing to sacrifice everything. ambassador young was the same way. we live and have been among these giants i think so often because of the narcissism of the president and because of the madness of the incumbent president and all that, we want to give up hope. we want to surrender to despair.

60 years ago, ambassador young was at work and congressman lewis was at work in a totalitarian police state. ambassador young was at the church with the bodies, they were carried back. having been tear gassed and beaten and one of the troopers had taken a baton and wrapped barbed require around it to use on john lewis and hosea williams these are people who have changed the way we live now. it hapt change enough. we have to know this story i believe the story of john lewis and the story of the movement will be told as long as the republic exists and if the republic falls apart rgs we', we

to tell that story in order to restore it >> it's such a good reminder for all of us that times were tough before we got through it. we got better. times are tough now, we'll get through it it's a reminder to do better thank you for join joining us ta and giving us a little piece of your relationship, your friendship with congressman lewis. your fight with him. and jon meacham, thank you, as always we really appreciate your time, sir. coming up next, how the president's crackdown on protests in portland is instead dramatically strengthening the protest out there, the movement out there. keep it here don't just think about where you're headed this summer. think about how you'll get there. and now that you can lease or buy a new lincoln remotely or in person... discovering that feeling has never been more effortless.

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we've just been finding a way to keep on pushing. ♪ welcome back after a week of violent clashes between law enforcement and protesters in portland, the president took a moment this morning to praise the work of federal forces, tasked with suppressing the protests and to criticize local leadership >> in portland, they've done a fantastic job. they've been there three days and they really have done a fantastic job in a very short period of time no problem they grab 'em, a lot of people in jail, they're leaders these are anarchists these are not protesters people say "protesters," these people are anarchists. these are people that hate our country. and we're not going to let it go forward. and i'll tell you what the governor and the mayor and

the senators out there, they're afraid of these people that's the reason they don't want us to help them they're afraid >> trump's comments come after portland's mayor pushed back strongly at the presence of these forces we should also note that nobody said that they are afraid of these protesters nbc news correspondent erin mclaughlin joins me now from portland erin, the mayor of portland was saying that the federal forces have only made things worse out there. he said he believed that these protests were going to fizzle out within a week and that by doing this, having this federal presence and by grabbing people off the street, they've only given more breath, more life force to these demonstrations. >> reporter: and that's a viewpoint, katy, that i have heard echoed from ordinary people that i've been speaking to here in portland. right now outside the federal courthouse, it's a pretty calm situation. i have the camera pan over to

show you the outside of the courthouse, but it's absolutely covered in graffiti and profanity, so we're not going to do that. however, it seems pretty calm at the moment but that has been changing when the night falls. people havie been coming out here, storming the steel barricade fence they set up outside the courthouse and tearing it down. what they've been doing, though, the federal agents have been putting it back up again, although today they've completely taken the steel gating away. more protests are expected tonight. and this is a city bracing for the potential of more violence >> erin mclaughlin in portland erin, we should just note that that video we showed of the man getting beaten by the baton, that man says he's a navy veteran and that his hand was broken in multiple places from that incident that you just saw on your screen erin mclaughlin in portland. erin, thank you very much. and we'll be right back.

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that is all for tonight. chuck will be back tomorrow with more "meet the press daily" and you can catch both of us tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. and 2:00 p.m. eastern but don't worry, in the meantime, "the beat" with ari melber starts right now. you're a lucky guy today you get me on this end and get to toss to joy at the end of this show. >> i agree, i feel lucky my cup runneth over. and like you and nicole before you and like a lot of other folks, i am also very excited not only for joy to start the show, but she has some big bookings with joe biden and hillary clinton tonight. >> she does, indeed. i can't wait >> me either thank you, katy. twok welcome to "the beat," everyone. let me tell you what i was just discussing with katy tur we think we have a lot lined up both this hour and beyond on msnbc. this tonight could be a bit of a special showca