good day, i'm andrea mitchell in washington where the white house is reviving its health task force briefing today for the first time since april as the president's advisers now see his downplaying of the pandemic as a threat to his reelection here are the facts at this hour. the president on twitter today continuing to falsely claim that the u.s. is doing very well compared to most countries around the world ignoring rising death and hospitalization rates here today, bipartisan talks begin for the first time on a new covid relief bill involving senate republicans, nancy pelosi, and chuck schumer. the treasury and white house chief of staff but even republican senators are

not on the same page as the president. and the finish line is a long way off. the cdc today says the number of people infected with coronavirus far exceeds the number of reported cases in some of the states that are hardest hit by the pandemic, saying the actual number of those infected is anywhere from two to 13 times higher than the reported rates for some regions i will speak to congressional black caucus chairwoman karen bass later this hour on the fight for relief funding and her standing in joe biden's vice presidential search. we begin in washington with nbc white house correspondent and "weekend today" co-host kristen welker, msnbc correspondent kasie hunt, and "washington post" columnist euge eugene robinson and reporter

jonathan lemire. kristen, we don't know if the task force members will be there, this could just be a presidential press difference. >> our latest guidance, andrea, is that what we'll most likely see is president trump at the podium by himself so it will be a presidential news conference he tweeted out an image of himself wearing a mask yesterday after months of refusing to wear one. it comes as the president's poll numbers have been dropping behind joe biden's he's now behind by double digits depending on which poll you're looking at according to our conversations here with white house officials, internal polling also shows the president is failing to break through and show what the federal government's response has been as it relates to fighting covid-19. so this is an attempt after urging from his aides to try to show more leadership publicly.

the question is will it work of course those briefings were canceled after he made those controversial comments during a briefing in april about potentially injecting disinfectants into the bodyis way of fighting the virus. of course he later said he was being sarcastic but there was a strong backlash after the president made those remarks and really a concern that the briefings were more of a problem than helping the president so it's a risky strategy, but it gets under way today, andrea >> and just to show people, to remind people what happened back in april, here is what the president was saying that day. >> i see the disinfectant knocks it out in a minute, one minute and is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? >> and all of the confusion and misguided advice from the white

house, from the president himself, masks, to wear a mask, then finally showing himself, the one and only time in public wearing a mask in a tweet yesterday. kasie, let's talk about speaker pelosi and chuck schumer for the first time they'll be getting together with the republican leaders, the senate leaders, who are not on the same page as the president. we have to see what comes out of this because the treasury secretary, the white house chief of staff will be there where do they stand on putting more money for testing in this relief package >> andrea, democrats are on the record already saying they want testing in any bill. in the heroes act there was $75 billion for testing. so i think we know where democrats stand on that. and you're right, they'll be meeting with the treasury secretary and mark meadows later on today because they really have to get all of this squared together and i think what we've been really focusing on is the fact that the senate gop is not necessarily on the same page with the administration.

and that means that they're opening negotiating positions as they enter into these high stakes bipartisan negotiations it's really pretty unclear and there has been this conflict over testing money the president of the united states seems to be the only one who looks at this through this lens of saying, okay, we have more tests therefore we have more cases, i see these cable news chyrons that show these numbers off the charts, i want that to be in a different place, and therefore let's not test as. senate republicans don't see it that way at all. they see at it way our public health officials see it, that testing, especially rapid testing, is critical for opening schools, for opening businesses, for them to be able to say, i got a coronavirus test this morning, it came back in hours, know i'm negative and now i can go about whatever business i need to go about for the day senate republicans are probably closer to senate democrats on

this than where the president of the united states stands we learned that mitch mcconnell is going to propose $105 billion for education in this bill i think republicans have been very clear that they want to prioritize schools potentially reopening. the big question, will they condition that money on schools being physically reopened. the administration has been pushing for that but many schools have been trying to work with some sort of hybrid model and especially in hotspots, they want to make sure the kids stay safe we'll look to see if there are any conditions on that money of course there's the payroll tax question, something the president has been for it's clear the administration is pushing harder for it in this round of negotiations than they have in the past couple of negotiations and we're getting some more rank and file republicans who are saying they're in favor of the payroll tax cut as part of this. but there still doesn't seem to be the votes necessary to get that through and there are a lot of questions about whether it's the right kind of policy to help in the

coronavirus era. remember, a payroll tax cut only hopes anyone who is still getting a paycheck, and we know how many people have applied for unemployment and the rising unemployment rate in this country because of coronavirus so all of these questions are still swirling, andrea we will see if there is significant progress made when those administration officials meet, first with republicans for lunch and later on in the day with democratic leaders. >> kasie, that's exactly why when someone asked nancy pelosi today whether they would have some kind of result by the end of the week, she kind of laughed and said, maybe the end of a month. that's not that far off, actually, although it looks like they'll be well past the end of july to get this done. jonathan lemire, the white house is trying to project unity and talking about new briefings but dr. fauci is still being sidelined. he was able to talk with our colleague and friend maria shriver about the president's newest criticism of him over the

weekend, saying he was something of an alarmist let me play that for you >> over the weekend the president described you as a little bit of an alarmist. >> i consider myself a realivity as opposed realist as opposed to an alarmist but then again, others have different opinions >> so what is the white house trying to project here as it does this pivot as they're more and more concerned about their internal polling as well as national polls we've seen recently >> the white house is certainly in a real bind since then, it seems like a little bit of a thawing, vice president pence in particular has been complimentary of dr. fauci, the president has said he gets along with him but indeed called him an alarmist yes, the doctor had largely been

relegated to doing zooms and podcasts and things of that nature because the west wing had taken control of his media schedule and were not permitting him to do cable appearances. as we're discussing, it's not clear and frankly it does not look like he will be part of the briefing later today that the president will hold in the briefing room. this is reflective of this sort of internal divide in the west wing there are some like kellyanne conway who have really tried to get the president to lean in on being the face of the coronavirus response, touting the good things they've done, saying more will come particularly on schools although as kasie noted, there is some division as to how that will come about, while others like mark meadows think the president, frankly, gets in trouble when he talks about the virus. the chief of staff wants him focusing on other things like the economy, let others talk about the virus. at the end of the day of course the deciding vote lies with the president. and as we've reported, he has spent weeks now talking about

how much he misses those briefings, in particular the ratings, the time slots, late in the day, he felt like it gave him an opportunity to really command the nation's attention, which he frankly can't do right now without a rally. he can't -- there's no -- he's lost his favorite campaign tool. as he faces these rather significant deficits in the polls he feels like he needs to draw that attention again, so we're back, the rallies are -- the briefings are on, at least for the time being >> if they turn out to be briefings. eugene, all of this is going on as the president is backing the use of these unidentified, around federal agents. again, they seem to be without training to handle protests. they're most notably in portland but now there's a threat that they will be deployed to chicago, to philadelphia, to detroit, to other big city, democratic-led mayors, as the president points out this does seem to be another campaign tactic to divert from the pandemic and that crisis and

to focus on what they call law and order. last night, joy reid in her debut show, which had of course joe biden, hillary clinton, mayor bottoms, and mayor lightfoot from chicago, and the mayor spoke to joy about this. let me play this for you >> our democracy is at stake and i'll be darned if i'm going to let anybody, even if their name is mr. president, bring those kind of troops to our city and try to take off our residents. that's not going to happen in chicago. >> and she's a former prosecutor and points out that prosecutors and local police and mayors need to be, you know, consulted when troops are brought in, federal troops of any kind but right now in oregon they're suing and so far they have not been able to prevent this from happening. >> this seems to be a fight that president trump wants to have with an eye toward his

reelection campaign. law and order is his big theme and so i think he wants a rather -- he thinks he would rather have people arguing about that than arguing about his performance on the coronavirus but this is a real -- this whole thing is a total jumble. i see this briefing today as a real gamble by the white house for one thing, obviously he's going to be asked -- if it's just the president, he'll be asked about these unprecedented law and order tactics that he's taking with the unmarked goons in portland and threatening to do it in other cities, so he'll have to talk about that, maybe that's what he wants if he is capable of convincing americans that he is taking an effective and compassionate and empathetic approach to the coronavirus, he hasn't done it

yet. and in fact when he has tried, you know, we watched as he did those daily briefings in march and april, he watched his poll numbers slide rather precipitously. and he started at 51% who thought he was doing a good job handling the coronavirus and it's down in the 30s now so this is a real gamble and i know that kellyanne conway is in favor of these briefings, but i have to think there have been a lot of people on the side of mark meadows saying, is this really a good idea, mr. president, do you really want to do this, because it didn't work out well for you last time >> and because even in his answers to chris wallace, he kept getting stuck in his version of reality, which is in contradiction to all the medical advice one more note here about dr.

fauci. eugene, i think you're a menats fan, guess who's going to be throwing out the first pitch for the nationals thursday night he not only is a nats fan but this is a guy who was a high school star athlete at 5'7" or something, improbably, a high school in manhattan, he led his team to a big championship against fordham prep, he was a guard in basketball. so we look forward to watch him throw out the first pitch. >> apparently he was a really good 5'7" guard, which doesn't get you very far if the basketball world, but he was good he's a big nats fan. and i think that will be a great moment for him in the middle of this pandemic, you know, a baseball season like no other, that he gets to start it off here in washington, i think

that's an honor for him. >> indeed. probably bigger ratings, i would suspect, the world champion nats against the yankees, even than that health care task force that might happen at 5:00 without him. thanks so much for all of you being with us, there's a lot happening on the hill and the white house, we appreciate the time you've taken to be with us today. there's a big push by outside experts now for $75 billion to bolster more testing and tracing. why that effort is so important, up next. plus safety takes center field. how to get kids back in the game, a debate that is dividing parents, coaches, and local officials. you're watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. our health comes first.

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coronavirus testing and processing the results of those tests in the u.s. is still lagging far behind where they need to be to contain the spread but the white house is opposing additional testing to expand and speed up testing it is in the senate bill the rockefeller foundation is calling for $75 billion in additional spending to get the u.s. to 30 million testing per week, a significant ramp-up from the 4.5 million tests now being administered joining us is the president of the rockefeller foundation and a senior scholar at the johns hopkins center for health security raj, to you first, let's talk

about your proposal, the components, and how you see $75 billion. would this be federal money? how do you expect this to be spent? >> andrea, you know, we do have an opportunity right now to make a national investment to avert a real disaster this fall. as you point out, we're doing 4.5 million tests a week right now. we've been saying since april we need to hit 30 million tests a week by around the time the next flu season starts, and that's going to be late september, early october. we can get there the only reason we can get there is there are new antigen tests that have been proven to be sensitive enough, much lower cost, and provide a turnaround time of maybe 20, 30 minutes which would allow for large scale screening, so schools could be open and teachers could feel safe and other critical institutions could use these tests to screen those without symptoms but it will only happen if we make a major national investment of $75 billion and get enough

product on the market quickly. and the federal government certainly has the authorities to do that through the defense production act, through barda and the advance purchase commitments they could make, as well as states >> doctor, one of the problem of course is the lag times. these antigen tests have a quicker turnaround just today "the washington post" is reporting that in d.c. the lag time is two weeks, which is basically useless. >> it is completely useless when you have a test result that takes longer than the actual duration of the illness for many people contact tracing is often keyed on a positive test if there is a lag, all of that contact tracing will be flawed there people who can't stay home for all the days waiting for a test result. this is not the way to manage an infectious disease emergency we need to get a test just like you can get an hiv test.

as dr. shah alluded to, there's different treatment pathways so we're not going to be ready for the flu season unless we have testing scaled up, using rapid antigen tests if they are available. >> the cdc says infection rates in some of these hotspots could be up to three times higher than reported in these parts of the country which shows again how critical testing in. let me ask you, dr. shah, about that and about the fact that we're really underestimating the pandemic in these states >> that's exactly why you need broad, asymptomatic testing. the idea is simple, it's that 50%, perhaps, of all the transmission is happening amongst people who don't have symptoms and as a result, we are dramatically underreporting the prevalence of this disease in community after community. and as a result, people are not necessarily following instructions in terms of social distancing and safe behavior the only way you get on top of

this is through a data-driven response and the only way you do that is by getting, as we just heard, rapid results from testing. and thankfully, there are about a dozen or more new tests that are hitting the market now the administration's already expanded access to them for some types of nursing homes in certain communities. we need to be much more aggressive this is something -- this is a national emergency we're all in it together and the fall does not have to be worse than the spring. but without real action and real investment right now, it will be >> and dr. adajha, at this stage, what is the prospect for pool testing i know dr. fauci talked about this a couple of weeks ago is this a realistic way to make testing more available >> in some communities i think pool testing will be useful. you have to remember that you can't do it in a place where every pool is going to be positive, because remember, you're combining specimens you have to do it in a place

where the prevalence is low enough that it decreases the workload on the people doing testing and increases throughput this needs to be studied in different parts of the country quest has gotten approval to do pool testing we've definitely used it for hiv, for example but you have to be careful where you use it so you don't end up increasing the workload. you need to do it more efficiently and make testing more available >> doctors, thank you so much. dr. shah, thank you for the great work rockefeller is doing, we appreciate that up next, joe biden has four black women on his list of possible vice presidential candidates representative karen bass, chair of the congressional black caucus, is one of them she'll join me, next

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are you committed to naming a black woman as your vice presidential running mate? >> i am not committing to naming any but the people i've named, among them are four black women. that decisions is under way right now. and by the way, black women have supported me my entire career.

and so they're the ones, as that old saying goes, that brought me to the dance i have been loyal. they have been loyal to me so it is important that my administration, i promise you, will look like america >> and that was of course joe biden on "the reidout" last night, the premiere of "the reidout" with joy reid joining us is karen bass, chair of the congressional black caucus the former vice president described the vetting process as getting a public medical exam. how difficult has it been for you? >> those questions have to go to the campaign but i do believe the vice president will pick the person who can best be a partner with him and to help in the healing of this country, because so much needs to be done you just think about 141,000

americans that are dead because of the problem you were talking about in the last segment. it's just unacceptable >> and would that best person be a black woman because of all the other -- you know, the reckoning over race, the president praising the confederate flag again, saying he's going to veto the defense bill because of renaming bases isn't it time, not just to make the administration look like america as he indicated in that answer to joy reid, meaning a black woman on the supreme court, people in his cabinet, but a black running mate, and that would be a black woman? >> well, you know, i do think that with all that the president has done, every time he's in a tight pot, he always goes to race he always goes to division and so if you think about what's happening in the country, whether you are talking about policing or now people are looking at systemic racism, him

sending the troops out to cities, there is so much division going on, of course i would love to see him appoint a woman of color as his running mate but like he said, he is going to make sure that his administration on every level looks like america and i think that that is absolutely important and sufficient at this time, wherever those people might be placed >> are you at all optimistic about the funding battle right now where senate republicans and democrats are getting together today for the first time on the next money for covid relief and they're about $2 trillion apart, so the gap is huge, $1 trillion versus $3 trillion, from what the democrats are wanting. but the senate republicans are not on the same page as the white house. does this make it better or worse for getting a result >> you know, i do think it's difficult. what i think is so shameful, though, on the senate side, is

to let people suffer first you know what we passed the heroes act more than a month ago. they had plenty of time to act and it's like they wait until the car is going over the cliff to pull it back. and i just think that's so unacceptable do i believe we'll reach resolution i do believe it will happen. but i think that it's just with all of the anxiety and stress that people are feeling now because of how our lives have so dramatically changed with the virus, to add unnecessary stress i just think is cruel. >> given what's happening in your home state, your home district in l.a. county, do you need a stay-at-home order now in l.a. because of the surge? >> well, it looks like that. and i think that that's especially frustrating, because in the state of california, the city and the county, the leadership did everything they were supposed to do. you know, we were one of the first states to do that. so it is very frustrating that we've had the spike again. and i do believe that we might

get to the point where we have to shut down i know they're thinking now that maybe we opened up too soon. that's hard for me to imagine, i mean, you don't go anywhere in los angeles without seeing people with masks on, and you can't get anywhere, you can't go to a store, you basically can't do anything unless you are protecting others and yourself so i think it just shows how difficult the covid virus is, how difficult it is. and then you have states, of course, i mean, look at georgia, where the governor is going to sue the mayor because she's trying to protect the people in her city it's just craziness. but it's what happens when you don't have -- >> speaking of -- well, speaking of craziness of a different sort, according to congresswoman alexandria ocasio-cortez, after votes yesterday, she was really attacked by a colleague, representative ted yoho of florida, who called her a terrible name, a really outrageous attack on her using

the "f" word he's denying it now to us. but apparently there were some witnesses to it, it was overheard by a reporter. are women members of congress being attacked this way from colleagues >> well, i have never seen or heard of anything like that before and i'm so disappointed in representative yoho. i work with him, we're on the foreign affairs committee together i'm glad you're raising it just 15 minutes ago i spoke to alexandria and i told her that i heard what had happened, that italy it was completely unacceptable and i think we need to do something about it after i spoke to her i spoke to brenda lawrence, who is chair of the women's caucus i said, we need to come together because as far as i was concerned it was a verbal assault. something like that should never happen i doen eneunderstand he's not rn for reelection, but he cannot get away with behavior like

that she told me a few minutes ago that that wasn't the first time, he's done this now a couple of times. right after the first blow-up, a few hours later he did it again. and so we just can't have this and i know we're going to be putting our heads together and figuring out how we respond but there will be a response >> and we have not been able to confirm this yet, but there is word that's coming out of the republican caucus that some of her colleagues, i think kasie hunt has just confirmed this, i'm now being told, that some of the republican colleagues went after liz cheney for criticizing the president and defending dr. fauci. >> i don't know what's the matter, these boys, talk about craziness, they seem to be losing it over there we're just not going to stand for that we have a woman speaker. there is a woman that runs this house. and we're just not going to stand for that so if they are treating their own that way, i guess it shouldn't be shocking, but i do

think we need to do something. i also just finished -- >> liz cheney is the third ranking member of the republican caucus, i just want to point out, she has a leadership role >> right i mean, they only have a handful of women over there to begin with, you would think they would treat them like gold >> karen bass, it's always a pleasure, thank you for being with us today. >> thanks for having me on and as doctors in south carolina plead for the public to help flatten the curve there, they're also raising the alarm over to whom they are being told to send the latest numbers of coronavirus infections and deaths what i'm worried about

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takeout instead of dining in please, please wear a mask stay at home and help us stop the spread of this virus >> that plea from south carolina, where nearly 1,500 new cases of the coronavirus were reported just monday and doctors are sounding the alarms about hospital capacity nbc news reporter dasha burns is at st. francis hospital in greenville, south carolina dasha, you spoke with a doctor today. what did he tell you >> reporter: hi, andrea. greenville is the third most populous county in south carolina as of this weekend, hospital occupies was at 75%. and doctors here are telling me they are gravely concerned that if this trend continues, they could see their hospitals overrun, which would be an absolute nightmare for them. this hospital behind me here has seen a 100% increase in covid

hospitalizations over just the last four weeks. and i spoke with dr. blackstone, chief clinical officer here, and he told me that this surge they're seeing is significantly worse than what they saw at first. he says patients are younger, they're sicker, they're staying in icus for longer, and now medical staff are getting sick, not in the hospital but in the community where the spread is so high and dr. blackstone told me he's seen some heartbreaking situations here. take a listen to what he told me earlier. how often do your nurses, your doctors have to watch patients die? >> umm, pretty regularly, unfortunately. you know, especially in this round, because they are sicker but when you see young people die, when you see people that were exposed by somebody else, it wasn't because of what they did, and they die, that's tough to take.

>> reporter: andrea, dr. blackstone emphasized to me that while we often talk about statistics and numbers, he and his staff are seeing the actual patients in that building behind me they see the suffering today, suffering he says could be prevented if people did simple things like wear a mask and keep their distance, andrea >> thank you, dasha. meanwhile, amid a debate over the safest way to reopen schools, st. louis county, missouri this week put new limits on youth sports to try to contain the spread of covid-19 athletes can only play and practice with their own teams. there are limits also of ten or fewer on the court the new rules prompting pushback from a local sports coalition days after missouri's governor dismissed fears about reopening schools. listen to this >> these kids have got to get back to school they're at the lowest risk possible if theth will, and they will wh they go to school, they're not going to the hospitals, they

won't have to sit in doctor's offices. they're going to go home and get over it. >> nbc news correspondent cal perry joining us from fenton, missouri what do you say when you've got a governor, you know, actually talking so much against the medical facts of what's going on >> reporter: you know, it shows you the divide between the governor and the local governance, speaking to county officials, they say, look, we don't get along with the governor, we don't agree with the governor, but we have to work together on schools and specifically on youth sports we've rolled back youth sports here in the county because of new cases in the county, 20 new cases every day between the ages of 10 and 19, they have rolled it back they're going to limit the amount of children allowed on the field at each time and parents have to wear those masks. sam brock runs the county as an executive here, listen to what he said on dangers on the field and off the field. >> we're mainly concerned about the activities that surround

youth sports rather than the game itself. so we agreed through our task force and our experts to allow kids to continue to practice in groups of ten. but we stopped the activities that we were seeing that were associated with the threat of covid either between kids or parents, and those are events that generally attract crowds, social events that surround team sports >> reporter: now, unlike the governor, mr. brock there is actually encouraging parents to do the at-home learning, the stay-at-home learning. the county has released the plans for the schools yesterday, and it is a combination of the in-class learning and stay-at-home earning again, you have the divide between the governor who is urging kids to go back to school and local officials who urge parents to keep their children home if they can >> thank you so much, cal perry in fenton, missouri. protecting the election. joe biden's warning to vladimir putin. what we're not hearing from the white house about potential russian meddling in the election

and why you should be concerned, that's next.

vice president joe biden issuing a stern warning to russia last night about interfering in our election, sending out an email that "i am putting the kremlin and other foreign governments on notice. if elected president, i will treat foreign interference in our election as an adversarial act that significantly affects the relationship between the united states and the interfering nation's

government." msnbc's joy reid asked biden about the president's refusal to say if he would even leave office if he loses and about russian interference on our new prime time program, "the reidout. >> i can't do anything about what's going on in russi and putin knows i mean what i say. this is a violation of our sovereignty. our sovereignty. and if, in fact, it occurs, there will be response in kind it will not go unstated, unnoticed or unreported. >> joining me now is jennifer pamieri, the former director of communications for hillary clinton's 2016 campaign, former white house communications director for president obama and her new book "she proclaims. i want to ask you about all of this, but does the -- i want to ask you about the book, which is great and congratulations on that first, i want to ask you,

though, does it give you sort of a recurring nightmare about 2016 when you hear talk of russian and other countries trying to interfere in social media and affect our election outcome? >> yeah it does. 'd and i think biden is right to speak out about it i think the prospect of a biden presidency may, unfortunately, incentivize putin to involve himself all the more in our elections, but he's right to put russia on notice and i think what is -- what's different this time from '16, obviously, is we've seen the impact we know it's real. we know russia does this they continually do that we know they're using our social media platforms to pit americans against each other and they're doing it to advance their own interests in the world and to do that at odds with what is in america's best interest. and i think that that means it will get covered differently the public hopefully will react

to disinformation in a more informed way and it could not have the impact that i believe their activity had in '16. but it may just mean that putin wants to double down and help trump all the more to prevent a biden presidency >> of course, nobody was more directly affected than hillary clinton. who was also on with joy last night. >> clearly the strategy for re-election that donald trump is following is to try in make it as difficult as possible for people to vote, to have those votes counted, to sow even further distrust in our electoral system >> and there's real concern about the pandemic, about the president's attacks on mail-in voting, which makes it safer, especially for elderly, vulnerable people to get to the polls and voter suppression which has been a continuing problem. >> he can't win based on his record or what he hasn't

articulated an agenda for a second term. and this is something that the republican party has been pursuing for many years, laws at the state level to make it harder for people to vote. particularly young people. particularly people of color who normally vote democratic, and they are trying to scare people now. it's ridiculous for republicans who have long won a lot of elections because of absentee voting, absentee voting, vote by mail, they are the same thing, and to try to scare voters into this now but this is the only way that they can win it means that biden is going to have to have a big turnout if people want to vote they'll have to put real effort into it. america is going to have to respond to the threats our president is making on our democracy with a resounding vote for joe biden. >> i'm going to ask you about "she proclaims" because you're talking about the independence

of women here you are in such a high-profile role in the white house and campaigns. but you have been looking at the whole issue of how women stand up in this world and here you have, today, reports that aoc was attacked by the republican from florida, verbally attacked. karen bass said that she has spoken to ocasio-cortez about this and that there's real concern about it and also liz cheney has been verbally accused of not being loyal enough. she's the number three ranking in the republican caucus she says that it was a healthy discussion, but the fact is that matt gates is talking about removing her from her leadership post for praising dr. fauci and challenging the president occasionally >> there's just something about these women these men don't seem to like. this is exactly what i'm talking about. the message of this book is for

women to understand, if you are operating in the professional world, in the political world today, you are operating in a world that was not built for you. it was built for men it's not anybody's fault this is what we've inherited it was built to accommodate them, value men's efforts over women. and when women step out in leadership roles, even in 2020, and they say provocative things, you are going to draw fire the way ocasio-cortez did and liz cheney did your n you are not doing anything wrong. we internalize the notion that we cannot mess up in a man's world or say anything controversial. you haven't done anything wrong. you're just expressing leadership that, in this case, needs to happen. you know who would never say anything like what that congressman said alexandria ocasio-cortez she's a young woman. a young woman of color who is seeking power. she is always very careful about what she says. and i think the point of my book

is, take the best lessons you've learned. she's an extraordinary, effective communicator, but don't cower in the face of attacks, like she does, stand up for yourself >> to be continued, especially as we approach the 100th anniversary of women's right to vote thank you so much, jen palmieri. the book is "she proclaims." that doesit for this edition o "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show online on facebook and on twitter and watch night two of "the reidout" with joy reid tonight at 7:00 when her guests include kamala harris and former u.s. attorney general eric holder chuck toddnd a katy tur pick up our coverage after a quick break. ♪ ♪ perfect. -you're welcome.

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