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despite loud warnings and concerns from health officials, educatesers and parens with no united plan for safe learning, the president insists schools must open, 100% as he puts it, and there's little reason to worry about health risks to our children. for parents, it is an intensely

personal decision that for so many comes down to economic survival versus safety of children and families. the push comes as many of the nation's largest school districts have already announced an online only or hybrid approach. to that end, we welcome back to the broadcast former u.s. secretary of education under president obama arnie duncan. a managing partner at emerson collective, an organization that works for social change. mr. secretary, since we last spoke have you seen or heard from anyone to reassure you of the degree of safety for students, the families they go home to at the end of the day, teachers, cafeteria workers, maintenance personnel, bus drivers and the like. >> well, i went back, looked at the data from a month ago, june 22nd, one month ago.

at that point we had 35,000 cases per day. today we have 70,000 cases, that's double. we have 13 states where trends were going down. only two states where trends are going down. in terms of positive results, that's up 62%. so brian, unfortunately in the past 30 days or so, things have gotten much worse, not better. for us to open schools safely, you need a couple of things. you need the number of cases going down, not up. that's not happening. you need rapid results, good testing, reliable testing, rapid results, get them back quickly an act on those. those aren't happening. and positive test results under 5%. none of that is true today. i am more pessimistic today than a month ago. >> mr. secretary, the conversations happening in households are really dire. most families are choosing between a terrible choice, not sending their kid to school and equally terrifying choice,

perhaps sending the kid to school open in any format under the circumstances you just explained. can we get granular? say your school is back, even one day a week, and every parent knows what the email looks like from the school nurse, you hold your breath when you click it open, there's a confirmed pink eye case in kindergarten, watch your kids, make sure they wash their hands. concern for flu cases. what is the second line that a school sends out when there's a confirmed covid case in second grade with no tests, no places for kids to go to social distance or contain, and no ability to sort of shut things down again. what does it even look like if you send your kid to school and there's an outbreak there. what happens next? >> what i'm so angry about is this is a time of anguish for parents. we should not be in this situation. this was a natural disaster that

unfortunately has moved, morphed into a man-made catastrophe due to lack of leadership and lack of plan and paying attention to science. let me say a couple of things. this depends on the local context. if you live in a community where cases are going down and that's the best thing we can all do is reach out, cross social media to friends to do everything we can to reduce cases and wear a mask, maintain physical distancing, if there's availability of accurate and reliable, rapid testing in the community, that gives you more flexibility to do things. if those things aren't in place, it is less safe to go back to school. president trump has disqualified himself from the conversation a long time ago. what he says is no relevance to real parents making decisions. again, what we see is local superintendents working so hard to figure out the safest, most effective, most efficient way to educate all kids, as you said earlier. most will end up in a hybrid

situation to start. open carefully, slowly, gradually, with the goal of not being too open, but to stay open and bring more kids to school over time. >> mr. secretary, the current education secretary is engaged in i don't know how else to describe this, disinformation, saying children are covid stoppers. last time we talked about what is the largest sample studied in south korea that children, especially middle age, middle school kids are as effective at spreading the pandemic as adults. how are parents to navigate not just the good health information which is in and of itself overwhelming, but the disinformation coming from the white house? >> it has never been more important to study, read the facts. not only the current secretary of education lied, what she said is extraordinary dangerous. all of us as parents have to be

looking at sources, whether it is data you talk about, coming out of south korea, whether it is what we saw in israel where they opened schools too fast, too quickly, saw tremendous increase half of which came from young people. we have a secretary of education that parrots lies and disinformation coming from president trump. i think parents are way too smart, way too in tune to what's going on to be fooled by that, and have way too much at stake. it is not the typical lying and conning, this is our children's health and safety at stake. we all have to take that extraordinarily seriously. that's what i think is happening across the country. >> finally, mr. secretary, tell the good folks watching about the kids in your organization and what chicago cred is and how they're fairing, how you as a

chicago people, view the line of moms in portland oregon tear gassed. >> we are devoted to reducing violence on the south and west sides. we had three consecutive years of double digit reduction in violence, working with young men most likely to shoot and be shot. this year is tougher, numbers are up unfortunately for the city. we have a lot of hard work ahead. in the community we work the hardest and longest on the far south side. violence is down more than 30%. we know what works. we have to continue to scale that. i do not think we see federal troops on the streets of chicago. president trump does everything based upon polls. what happened in portland wasn't good for him. he is trying to court suburban moms or whatever he is saying on twitter. those images were not helpful to him, seeing thousands and thousands of moms out protesting. i think you'll see people come in, work behind the scenes doing paperwork and investigative

work. i would be stunned if you saw that kind of militarized presence in chicago. what happened in portland was not good for him politically. >> from your lips, mr. secretary, from your lips. thank you for spending some time with us today. we will continue to call on you early and often. and brian, this is the part of the show that i dread most. >> i pass onto you. >> it is unbelievable. >> thank you for having me. good luck with the anchor leg of the hour and 20 minutes that lies ahead of you. thank you. >> we'll be watching you at 11:00 tonight. brian, thank you. when we come back, barack obama and joe biden back again. joe biden finds himself with a really big lead over donald trump in lots of states, including the most crucial swing state of all. that's next. state of all that's next. dear freshpet,

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i don't understand his inability to get a sense of what people are going through. he just can't relate in any way. >> well, and one of the things that i have always known about you, joe, it is the reason why i wanted you to be my vice president, and the reason why you were so effective. it all starts with being able to relate. >> just two guys, hanging out, talking about what's up. that was joe biden who teamed up with his former boss, former president of the united states, president obama, to deliver blistering new lines of attack on donald trump's character or lack thereof in a new campaign video. biden and obama's appearance together comes as biden's lead over trump continues to grow. brand new polling from quinnipiac shows biden ahead by double digits. 13 points in the president's adopted home state of florida. another poll out of texas shows biden slight lead there. joining the conversation, joel

payne, served as paid media for hillary clinton's 2016 campaign. also joining the conversation, alaina beverly. outreach for president obama's 2018 campaign. let me start with you, joel. polls are not totally reliable, obviously, and things can change but they're sure signs of trends, and trends for trump are terrible. what do you think that means? sometimes that means he is more dangerous in days and weeks to come. >> i think you said it right there, it is about trend lines. when you think about donald trump, all of the erratic behavior we have seen for three years, but it has taken a sharpened focus in the last month or two, it is because he knows he is losing the race and doesn't have a second pitch. he hasn't figured out how to appeal to voters to demonstrate

he has a positive message to move the country forward in 2020. he thinks he can dust off the play book from 2016 and run the same campaign against joe biden. maybe there was a world that existed before coronavirus, before george floyd, that's not a world we're in now. donald trump is ill prepared to talk to voters and appeal to voters in this environment. >> i used to lose my mind when donald trump would talk about results of a test designed to screen out alzheimer's and dementia. maybe by setting the bar so low, he has joe biden at stratosphere i can heights. which one is an elephant is a meaningful job as president, joe biden is out, he has so much ground that he's ahead of trump on the question of cares about people like you, and he is now taking him on at what donald trump thinks is his strong suit,

the economy. maybe it works. >> to joel's point, he is dusting off the 2016 play book yet again with these questions challenging joe biden's mental fitness and relying on this cognitive ability test that tests cognitive decline as you mention. it is not an iq test. anyone that has a family member that suffered from dementia or alzheimer's, we all know what the test is for. the main question many viewers have i believe is why is it donald trump feels the need to test his mental acumen and capacity and test whether or not he has diminished capacity in this moment. look, so he did this in 2016 against hillary clinton. he challenged her mental fitness, he did this against nancy pelosi when the impeachment trials were under way to challenge her mental

fitness, but he is losing. it is a losing tactic. campaigns are hard to run on a grass roots basis and difficult to run during a pandemic. by contrast, you see joe biden doing an amazing job. that conversation with him brought people in, spoke to him communicating and spoke to decency americans are hoping will be rebuilt following donald trump's tenure in the white house. he has done a fantastic job kpa campaigning, and donald trump is bringing out the stale play book. >> the better indicator of what's going on in states, everyone in campaigns knows this, better indicator than the polls is usually when people are advertising. i don't think donald trump is on the offense in any states that clinton won. i think joe biden is all over the republican map.

do you see anything different? do i have that right? >> you have that right. i live in washington, d.c., i feel this is a battleground state. all i see is trump ads. he doesn't want d.c. to be a state, but doesn't want d.c. to state but he wants to win d.c. and the electoral college. as somebody who ran ad ons ts o hillary clinton campaign in 2016, you want to be hyper focused where you can move people in the middle. people will decide the election who went for donald trump. they are not going for trump now. i think his ad strategy is not doing anything to change that momentum. >> i love talking to both of you about all things politics. to be continued. thank you for spending some time with us today. when we come back, it's opening day for major league baseball. we'll go live the nationals park

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park. it's first game of a shortened 60 game season. >> reporter: baseball at times of crisis has not only been a distraction but a salvation. something we can unite afternoon. tonight, anthony fauci gets those honors. he says he's been warming up. when he went to a local field, it felt like throwing a brick. he is ready for tonight. also, a reminder of what we're dialing with in term offens of pandemic. juan sota, a key part of the nationals worldship team tested

positive for covid-19. won't be part of tonight's opening game. all the nats players are being tested. the manager saying hethe team i worried now. they will be tested again tomorrow. throwing uncertainty at the last minute into this situation. >> that's such an interesting point. i have looked sfo eed sports wi money they have and the ability to put a bubble around these teams and you think about how do we do that to our kids? they have all the money in the world. they is same day testing and they are struggling, as you say. mike, will cow come back tomorrow and rate anthony fauci's pitch for us? >> reporter: you got it. absolutely. >> where all the action is later tonight? thank you so much. coming up, with his lack of leadership on full display,

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hi every one. it's 4:00 in the east. some of the most brilliant have faced to be among the most cruel diseases in world. conditions like dementia and

alzheimer's. one of the screening available is the cognitive test. it's neither an iq test nor a test of political o professional prowess. donald trump can't stop talk about what he views as his score on the mental cognition test. yesterday, in an interview with fox news, he offered this bizarre boast of his ability to remember five words. >> it was 30 or 35 questions. the last questions are much more difficult. like a memory question. it's like you'll go person, woman, man, camera, tv. so say could you repeat that. i said yeah. it's person, woman, man, camera, tv. that's very good. if you get it in order, you get extra points. now he's asking you other questions. other questions.

then ten minutes, 1520 minutes later say remember the first question. the tenth question. give us that again. can you do that again. you go person, woman, man, camera, tv. if you get it in order, you get extra points. they said nobody gets it in order. for me it was easy. that's not an easy question. they ask it to you. they give you five names and you have to repeat them. that's okay. if you repeat them out of order, it's okay. it's not as good. when you go back about 20, 25 minutes later. they don't tell you this. go back to that question and repeat them. you do. you go person, woman, man, camera, tv. they said, that's amazing. how did you do that. i do it because i have like a good memory because i'm

cognitively there. >> nuclear codes in his hands. ashley parker of the washington post writes this of his fixation. experts say his fixation is particularly puzzling because the test is administered if someone is concerned they or their loved ones may be experiencing dementia or cognitive decline. getting a perfect score merely signifies the test taker does not have a cognitive impair mme as measured by the examine. it comes on the fox news poll that shows biden with a nine-point lead on the very question of who is more int intelligent and a four-point lead as mental soundness to serve as president. those are relevant to the political conversation because this is the battlefield that the president has selected to wage

war on his opponent. the washington post adds this, though trump and his team have labored to raise questions about biden's fitness for oufs, those attacks have boomeranged on trump. the post sites this ad from anti-republicans focus on his physical and mental health that's been viewed nearly six million times on twitter. >> the most powerful office in the world needs more than a weak, unfit shaky president. trump doesn't have the strength to lead nor the character to admit it. we're not doctors but we're not blind. it's time we talk about this. trump is not well. >> having worked on campaigns myself, i assure you, these are issues that lie somewhere way beyond the third rail of politics. with trump's focus on it, biden's campaign had to respond with a statement seeking to push attention and focus back to the crisis facing the country, the

pandemic. quote, the thousands of american who is are contracting this virus each day don't care whether or not the president can identify a photo of an elephant. they care that their federal government is doing everything possible to keep them safe and right now, under this president, that is not happening. in fact, the coronavirus pandemic has now infected more than four million americans, taken the lives of more than 143,000 souls and threatens to thwart school reopenings and any economic recovery. the test and the pandemic is where we start today. it's your colleague's ashley parker stunning piece of reporting that we quoted from. take us through the president's obsession about what he views as saysing a dementia screen.

>> nicole, this obsession goes back some weeks now. we only heard the president talking about it pub welcoliclye brought it up privately in cabinet meeting at the beginning of the summer bragging there as he has on fox news about his score on this cognitive exam in front of the cabinet. the test, by the way, he took was back in 2018 and we should put it into context. that was around the time when there was a national discussion under way about his mental faculties. whether the president had what it took upstairs to do the job, about his very fitness for office. that's when he first uttered the fra phrase a stable genius. he's been fixated on this idea of his own cognitive abilities and he's using that as an attack against vice president, former vice president biden. as you said at the top in

explaining this test and it's worth underscoring this is not an iq test or intellectual capacity. it's a screening to determine whether somebody has dementia. >> you know, i started this show, i think three years ago at 4:00 saying the bottom is calling and wants to know if we're there yet. i stopped doing that. i've learned my lesson. we're covering this as an dpa l example of the things trump is trying to inject into the general election because we're 100 days out. we should also cover this as the cruelty and it's the same vain o of cruelty that he mocked a disabled person. the same vain of cruelty that allowed him to cage small children and separate them. there's a cruelty and a feeling of sticking your finger in an electric socket if you know anyone or love anyone that's been screened for dementia or

alzheimer's. >> i think you're right. you and i know that there is no bottom to this presidency. every week demonstrates that. this, in particular, where the president of the united states, the leader of the free world is calling into question his own cognition and confuses con in addition with intelligence and at the same time, doesn't appreciate in the same way he doesn't appreciate the numbers of people and have empathy for the numbers of people suffering from coronavirus and who die. nor does he appreciate the circumstance, the sad circumstance of millions of americans who suffer from dementia and alzheimer's in their years. he has no ability really to put

himself into someone else's shoes. i have to say that i think joe biden must love the fact that the president injects his own cognitive or lack of cognitive ability in this election instead of talking about what should motivate him in terms of leading the american people. >> nick, if you drill down in presidential polls after election day, the outcome usually turns on the axis of two questions. who best understands the problems you're facing and who looks like a stronger leader. donald trump has no ground to spare on either. biden is way ahead on empathy. this question of relate blt, if it gets too far out of reach, if that gap gets too large, it's an unwinnable contest for donald trump. here is joe biden doing his best to exploit the empathy.

let's watch. >> i don't understand his inability to get a sense of what people are going through. he just can't relate in any way. >> those folks have lost somebody feel like they have been dragged into a dark deep hole in middle of their chest. they don't know what to do. they are scared to death. the president talks about taking away health insurance. >> his own staff admits he fails the most important test of being an american president. the duty to care for you, for all of us. >> there is no example of a president at a high water mark that didn't succeed in holding this country as it grieves, as it struggles, as it suffers. donald trump either can't do it or won't do it. joe biden is surging ahead of him in poll after poll after poll.

>> being president or a successful candidate for president involves a holistic kind of leadership, charisma, policy, all these things come together. the president is in a weird trap of his own devising. he and his campaign have put out these videos deceptively cut to say that biden is senile. voters aren't buying it. the president is now buying it. he thinks he can win this campaign on a mano-a-mano fight over who has a higher test score. it feels very divorced from the moment when people are worried and scared, if not for their live, for their loved ones and jobs and kids going to school. you don't get the sense when the president trying to adapt by returning to the press conferences that he understands

this is a moment of crisis and it's going to be a crisis long past election day. we as voters are used to seeing a certain set of ticks from a president. a certain set of acts. even feigned from a president to get through these times. he doesn't display those things. >> phil, i know i've asked you this before. i'm going to ask again. is there anything happening behind the scene? phone calls to relatives. every newspaper, i get three at my house and flip through the back and read the obituaries. any evidence that he reads those and is moved by them and asks for anybody's phone numbers? >> no. nothing that i can report. that's not to say he's not making that kind of contact.

he's probably not. if he were making those out reach calls, his spokes people would be the first to alert the news media about it. we have not heard about him doing that. when he makes public appearances, we rarely even here him voice thoughts and empathy for people who are suffering. we seen it bit in these briefings he's been doing the last few days but there were any number of public appearances earlier this summer where the president would come out and say next to nothing about the coronavirus. in fact, pretend like it wasn't happening. >> donna, to phil's point, the new york time reports in that interview we just showed, this is how they describe his snap back to his reflexes that phil is talking about when it comes to the pandemic. mr. trump appeared to shift away from more sober assessments he's delivered about the pandemic that's killed more than 143,000 americans by saying that coronavirus testing was quote, over rated and quote makes us

look bad. he accused democrats of sounding the alarm over a virus for political reasons. watch mr. trump said on november 4th, everything will open up. this is a bitter, delusional, angry guy who i suppose he's saying on november 4th, everything will open up because he knows he's going to lose. >> whatever it is that the president is selling, the american people are really not buying. when you have four million people who contracted the virus and 143,000 who died and thousands more that will die, there's no getting around that. even if the president wants to try to sugar coat it and i think that's what he's doing, if he's not avoiding it all together. it won't work because there's too many of us who have personally been touched by a family member whose died. a funeral that you can't attend.

the stories that you tell on this program every day and the american people simply are not buying it. it's the sign of a very failed president. >> speaking of the president's failures on coronavirus, i think it's fair to describe florida's governor a failure as well. here is donald trump's polling in the state. i want to ask you about politics and covid. it would appear that donald trump's political fate, he's now down 13 in a state that everybody watches. not just the final days of the campaign but on election night. everybody that is ever been a part of presidential politics watches county by county come in on florida. if this is off by half, it's still an insurmountable lead that joe biden has in a state that donald trump calls home. in state runs by his closest

ideological match. someone that equals him in rage toward the media and incompetence with the virus, it's failing. his america looks out of control. paratroopers are removiing peaceful protesters and gassing mossing. what do you think about insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different outcome. it's not working? >> this election is about covid and president trump. there's no getting away from covid as an election issue. that's what this is all about. if the president thinks it's been bad so far, when schools are due to open in a few week or in september and parents find that their kids can't go back to school, working parents, that's going to be a political

catastrophe. if the president is on the wrong end of that, it will be worse for him and governors who have done a poor job of being on top of this. we have seen in other polls, speaking of florida, we have seen that the erosion there is a i among some seniors. once it became impossible to deny that covid had ae rooifed in florida, who will be most scared about it, seniors. >> that's exactly right. nick, donna, phil, three of my favorite humans. three of the smartest people on all of these topics. thank you for starting us off on this surreal state of everything. a judge sided with michael cohen over the sitting attorney general citing claims of retailuation for sending him back to jail. also ahead, the mayor of portland gassed in his own city. donald trump's federal crackdown and leap into full on authoritarianism. we'll bring you the latest and the washington post with brand new reporting on the very real

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federal judge ruled today that michael cohen's return to prison earlier this month was retaliation. the department of justice tried to silence him by ordering conditions on his home confinement. cohen who was trump's former personal attorney began serving a three-year prison sentence last year for financial crimes and lying to congress. in may due to health concerns related to coronavirus, cohen

was released and allowed to serve out his term at home. then he was sent back to prison on july #th after he did not agree to complete ban on speaking in public that included for him, writing a book. something he is already working on. cohen then sued attorney general bill barr arguing that his first amendment rights were being violated. the judge agreed and expressed shock at the order for cohen's silence saying i've never seen such a clause in 21 years of being a judge and sentencing people. how can i take any other inference but that it was retaliatory. joiningous conversation, former u.s. attorney joyce vance and kribts contributor for the grio, jason johnson. joyce, on the law, before the judge struck it down and said there had never been anything like this in 21 years on the bench. what was the law that barr was leaning onto try to jail him and

silence him and punish him many the first place? >> when someone violates the conditions of a term of supervised release, you've been quicked, served most of your sentence and about to be released, even though you're getting out, there's still conditions. you can't commit new federal crimes, for instance. if you do violate those terms, your release can be revoked in a series of hearings that occur in court. that process is most decidedly not what happened here. this was a sudden and arbitrary revocation of cohen's release that defied typical procedures that prosecutors invoke when someone violated conditions of release. >> jason johnson, i want to come to you with a question about bill barr. he's often covered as darth but

he seems to be more incompetent than people recognize in the day-to-day coverage of his justice department. he's been overruled for being extrajudicial in his attempts to jail cohen for trying to write a book. where is the distinction between being a thuggish bouncer or a fixer or sort of a ray donovan and being the country's attorney general? >> the only difference is william barr has a federal badge. he has the united states authority to do the same sort of abusive things that michael cohen used to do for trump when he was a real estate investor and mogul in new york city. that's one of thing that's been so terrible that william barr has squintsly behaved as donald trump's personal lawyer as opposed to someone who is supposed to be the top cop of the united states of america. for all the problems i may have with him, it's the thing that

jeff sessions refused to do. the problem is, it's not just that william barr attempted to retaliate against cohen and continues to go out and met out vendettas for trump. he's weakened the entire judicial process of the united states as local authorities and fbi and sheriffs have to renegotiate how they conduct the business of the law when they know william barr can try to change things if it doesn't sit with what the president wants. >> i want to give you a two part question. stone, that's roger stone versus cohen under the trump administration. if you don't speak about potus, you go free. versus if you seek so speak, that would be cohen, who testified before congress, you go to jail. ckudoes to the judge for callin it out. i really mean this.

there may be private conduct that i don't know about that doesn't fit this mold but everything public facing is barr functioning essentially as an extrajudicial fixer for trump. it's driving out career prosecutors over the flynn sentence. driving out career prosecutors over the stone handling. leaking to the press that he was against the commutation but i think he is still there. i think my phone would have flashed. it's suing mary trump. it's sending michael cohen to jail for seeking to write his book. where is the scrutiny for congress on barr? it doesn't feel urgent enough for the pace of his trespasses. >> i think that's right. the urgency started a year ago. we're still sitting here asking the important question that you

asked today. the reality is that trump has completed the abuse of the criminal justice system. the most discouraging thing in many ways is that he's done it with the attorney general sitting at his side enabling it. by that i mean exactly the examples that andrew gives. trump has used the criminal justice system to help his friends. he's abused his power as president to get good deals for his frinends. he's using the criminal justice system to punish people he doesn't like. people that he thinks are his enemies. michael cohen is septembnt back prison for no reason. the judge said it was retaliation because he wanted to write a book about trump. that's not how a criminal justice system works in a democracy. that's the work of a banana d t

dictator. when the criminal justice is being used to hurt the president's enemy piesenemies. this the the fulfillment of his campaign policy. lock her up. that's what he brought america to. >> jason, it's something else, too. i'm waiting for the baa that that republics to call and say we're insulting banana republics. it's also a man who is guilty of something. the original sin that jeff sessions committed was he was not going to shield trump from the russian investigation. do we ever learn why was he so worried about the russia investigation? jim comey fired because he refused to admit his loyalty. why did he need loyalty? you just go down the line. don mcgahn got pushed out because he spent hours, believed

to be up to 30 hours with robert mueller. you no have cohen. they wanted him back in jail before he talked. action after action after action can be drawn to the conduct of a guilty man. >> it's like what they say in the usual suspect that the guilty guy is the one who sleeps at night because he knows he's dirty and will do everything he can to get out. that's been donald trump. he's been firing people and removing people. he's not acting like someone who is innocent. and this is something that is really scary about this is the overall use and abuse of ou criminal justice system of this president. over 7,000 people have been released due to covid and he's using releases from prison for political reasons. he dolls out pardons for political reasons. letting michael cohen under we're concerned about covid. there's tons of people in prisons in texas and georgia and california and other states who

are dying of covid right now. all of this, the entire criminal justice system, the ability to jail people is just a ruse. it's another level of power that trump can yuds. e thought i let out manafort, he'll be nice. he really thought he could buy off michael cohen by letting him out of jail. it doesn't work. it's been turned into the hand of the king, which is donald trump as long as he's got barr covering for him. >> just to put a pin in this one, what kind of person says this. i wish her well. i wish her well. i wish her well about a criminally charged sex trafficker. joyce vance, thank you for spending time with us. after the break, another night of unrest in portland, oregon. the city's mayor out with protesters and getting tear gassed. in the last few hours the justice department watchdog, its ig is ready to investigate. details next. ady to investigate details next

i'm not going to lie. it stings. it's hard to breathe. i can tell you with 100% honesty, i saw nothing that provoked this response. this is not a deescalation strategy. this is flat out urban warfare.

it's being brought on the people of this country by the president of the united states. it's got to stop now. >> on the 56th night of the portland protest, federal agents tear gassed the city's mayor. plot twist in donald trump's show of force crackdown, another escalation and our lurch toward authoritarianism and the administration announcing it would send hundreds of additional federal agents into cities like chicago and albuquerque. the justice department inspector general will investigate the use of force by law enforcement personnel against protesters in portland and washington, d.c. joining our conversation connecticut congressman who is a member of the house intelligence committee. that committee investigated donald trump for abuse of power. they tried to warn us. what do you see in his escalation of behavior that can

only be described as such, an abuse of his office? >> it's problematic in so many ways. he's doing this because it fits his re-election narrative of law and order. he says that on his twitter feed at pretty much every day. the problem with that is that it's not helpful to restoring order in portland or anywhere else. we know that because the mayor and the governor of oregon have said we don't want your people here. we know that because border patrol agents and u.s. marshals are not trained and what is fairly technical thing around controlling crowds. they are trained in chasing fugitives and securing the border. when you have guys without identification and camouflage uniforms and combat ready hustling people into the back of a van, that looks like a kidnapping. that opens up the door for violence and misunderstanding. what is happening is the president of the united states for very clear reasons associated with his re-election is trampling on the idea that

state and locality enforce their own rules. he's creating an already unfortunate situation with some vandalism. he's turning that into a far more dangerous situation and as usual, none of my republican friends in this building who traditionally stand up or supposedly stand up for state rights are making a peep. >> is it worth highlighting what you just said though. is it worth convening some sort of emergency hearings just to make sure those things are clear. it's clear to the mayors and the governors whose on their streets. that people's rights -- people have a right to know who the arresting agency is is my understanding. is it something being discussed convening any hearings on this in. >> we have done that. you've heard the various committees here on the house side they say want hearings. the white house is basically put a blanket prohibition on people coming to testify to the

congress. that is something i will remind my republican friends of if and when there's a president joe biden. this precedent they have set that the president of the united states is no longer subject to congressional oversight. of course, it is. just everything about this is dangerous and wrong. the president who can't think beyond a television image and i guess he sees those men in camouflage as an image that makes him happy. this can't end well for him. the violence sgeting worse, not be better. the chance for a mistake where a protesting civilian gets killed is pretty high. the courts, because the courts always rule against the trump administration. the inspector general who announced his investigation, the answer will be this was a terrible and not a legal idea. the president gets tough guy photograph. >> i want to ask you about the letter that you all have sent to

the sitting fbi director to get a defensive intelligence briefing on what appears you're alleging is an operation being run by senator ron johnson. what are you trying to learn more about? >> obviously, i can't get into the details of the underlying intelligence but the letter speaks for itself. i've seen a lot of the intelligence that the letter is based on. what i can tell you is the leadership, the folks that sign that letter saw intelligence that was deeply concerning about ongoing efforts to interfere in our election. sort of a replay, if you will, of what we now know happened in 2016. it's important for every member of congress to get that briefing because as the letter alluded to, we may be subject to the efforts of a foreign country to operate and even more importantly, the american people need to know what efforts may be being made to manipulate social

media, to manipulate politicians and affect the way they vote. it's not just congress getting the briefing, it's really important that the american people be fully aware of what's happening out there. >> i want to ask you, it's been read out that donald trump spoke with vladmir putin today. there's been nothing disclosed publicly about trump saying if the bounty story that was in my pdb happens to be true, knock it out. do you worry that trying to understand this stream of intel that ron johnson, it would appear operationalized in his committee may be sort of going after it too low on the food chain. if donald trump doesn't tell vladmir putin not to put bounties on the heads of american soldier, what good does it do if you catch ron johnson? >> setting aside ron johnson, let's talk about vladmir putin.

a very savvy guy. a very sophisticated kind of deadly reader of the chess board. what does he see? he sees he got away with meddling in our 2016 election and did the united states rise up and say we will protect our democracy? did the president of the united states say we will notal rate this again and you will pay a price in no. the president said my friend told me he didn't do it. it was a strong denial and i believe him. that's the president of the united states speaking. the allegations about the russians putting bounties on the heads of our soldiers in afghanistan, i can't get into details but the white house has acknowledged there is intelligence. that i had say it wasn't super clear. it wasn't corroborated. intelligence is never super clear or corroborated. in a normal country where we cared about standing up against people attacking our troops or democracy, the president of the united states would stand up and tell the american people and tell vladmir putin i'm not going

to share this intelligence. if you're paying people to kill our troop, that's an act of war. we will notal rate that and standby because we're bringing the wrath of god on your head. did you hear donald trumpresembt kind of statement. vladmir putin is sitting there thinking i can pretty much do whatever i want. >> i guess my last question is what does that look like? i think you're right. any normal president ha has the title of commander in chief says what you said. if troops aren't off limits and we don't know what was said privately but nothing public facing which is where vladmir putin feels the most shame in a public admonition. what does that portend for the election? >> what it portends is that what i just alluded to is vladimir putin knows that he can do just about anything and get away with it and convince the president of

the united states that he didn't do it. again, he's a pretty good reader of the chess board. there's meaningful chance that donald trump will not be president of the united states in january of 2021. vladmir putin knows that. my guess is he will try to avoid that and we should be cog any sants of what he might do to try to avoid that outcome. if joe biden is inaugurated in january, what i just said about the wrath of god coming down for the misbehavior of russians against our troops and democracy, vladimir putin, i think, knows and should know that accountability will arrive. >> it's a really, really important story. i should be talk about it more days of the week. i'm grateful that you came today and had this conversation with us. after the break, it started as a what if question but with 102 days until the election,

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another page ripped straight from an authoritarian's play book. donald trump's latest efforts to sow distrust in our democracy. threatening to not accept the results of november's election. washington post writes trump's

unwillingness to admit to a smooth willingness of power has forced political leaders, including some gop lawmakers to contemplate scenarios. among the possibilities, trump could claim victory before the vote in key states is fully counted. he could spend weeks refusing to concede amid a legal war over which votes are valid or he could refuse to leave on january 20th. a possibility biden has discussed publicly. joining us now one of the reporters, the washington post bob costa. i've read this story with a mix of horror and fascination. take me inside from what you're hearing including the group privately speaking gop lawmakers. >> an election is the last guardrail of any democracy and president trump is raiding questions about whether he will accept the results. i wanted to get inside that process. it's clear that the republican

party, through the republican national committee and the trump campaign have 50,000 recruits ready to watch polls. they have lawyers ready with a $20 million legal fund. this is going to be a fight by all accounts of the reporting. >> having worked on republican campaigns, there's not a lot of examples of republican vote being repressed or suppressed. all the the examples are in minority communities so what are they doing? >> to answer your question about whether are republicans here. they are encouraging president trump or echoing president trump or staying quiet. these allegations by the president repeatedly about mail in ballots, about voter fraud are unfounded. not based on evidence beyond reports. we have gone to the experts, constitutionally, legally on these issues at the washington post. we see him continuing to

question the integrity of elections. that questioning will continue. lit be backed up by a political machine inside the republican party. >> bob, do you have any sense that any contingency planning is under way under way either in congress or at the pentagon? >> right now we see the president using his federal power across the board. federal agents are going into numerous cities at the encouragement of the president and the attorney general. this is a president who is more comfortable with this power than ever, which does raise the question will he meet his own rhetoric on elections with action. and as we see him using his action now and his power in other sectors, it's not clear yet if there is any contingency plan. and all the grumbling right now inside of congress is mostly quiet. but this is the question on almost every lawmaker's mind when you get them off the record, if he loses will he leave peacefully. a peaceful transfer of power is part of core of american politics.

>> it sure is. bob costa, thank you for writing about this and for staying on this. we'll come back to it whenever you have something new. after the break for us, finishing our program today by honoring some lives well-lived. y honoring some lives well-lived t. they get that no two people are alike and customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. almost done. what do you think? i don't see it. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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