the latest. >> reporter: this is the nfac, you can see from down here, and we'll walk this line as best we can. the nfac is the not bleeping around coalition. they are an atlanta based black militia. they are heavily armed and they are organizing themselves. they are organizing themselves along this line. you can see more of the members here. i'm just going to step out of the way. this all started around 1:00 p.m. when the police divided the city basically into two parts. this section has black lives matters protesters and it has this nfac militia. we saw this around july 4th. this is the second major action, i would say. if we keep going around this way, you'll see on the other side of the street that has been divided by a heavily armed police force. you have white protesters, you have this militia group, called

the 3 percenters heavily armed as well. you have the two groups divided by the police force. there has been one shooting today. unfortunately in louisville, there are shootings often, this is a constitutional right to carry state. there have been protests since breonna taylor was killed. and so we have had this slow build of protests in this city that have been only increasing, culminating today in this quote unquote security actions by differing sides all the while, again, lindsey, and i just cannot underscore this enough, everybody is armed. everybody out here, almost everybody has a gun, and that is very concerning to police, as you said, already one shooting today. the concern is that we could see more of that. >> yeah, and some more details on that, cal. we're hearing from the police chief there around 1:00 p.m., three people were shot. all three were taken to the hospital with nonlife threatening injuries. there are no outstanding

suspects right now, and the chief is also reporting that all three were members of the nfac, reiterating for people to have that right, their second amendment right but do so safely. what are people on the ground saying about that shooting in the aftermath? >> reporter: people are obviously concerned that this is a sign of what is to come. there have been a number of very very bad shooting incidents here in the city. there was a mass shooting shortly after the protests started in march, a protester shot into a crowd of people. that person was never found. there are no suspects in that shooting. about a month and a half later, just there in jefferson square on the other side of where you're seeing this gathering, somebody grabbed a protester's gun and shot a photographer dead in the park. so this is a violent city. it has been a violent city since we have seen this social movement begin this summer. it has been the center of activity in this part of the country. we had seen for a long time here 14 days straight, we saw police clashing with protesters in jefferson park, they were violent protests and at the

governor's discretion, the national guard troops moved out of the city, and frankly they have been replaced now, at least for the time being by heavily armed black militia from atlanta. it felt like it was a matter of time. you had white militias, you can see them on the other side of the street, dressing up, getting in full camo gear, and coming out on the streets of louisville, now you're seeing the counterprotests to that. >> cal perry on the ground will continue to monitor the situation for us. thank you. let's go to portland where protesters and local officials continue to push back against the presence of federal officers in their city. protesters have been holding demonstrations, calling for police reform there for almost two months now. yesterday, by the way, marking day 57. but in recent weeks, late night clashes are federal agents who protesters have accused of indiscriminate tear gas, have culminated in a chaotic scene in

portland p joining me student journalist and editor and chief for the south salem high school's, how do you pronounce that newspaper, eddie. >> the clippian. >> thank you. >> how many nights have been reporting on these clashes and what have you witnessed firsthand? >> i've spent a week on the ground now, and i have witnessed a lot. there's a lot going on there. it's an incredibly nuanced situation, and every night has brought its own challenges. you're seeing different strategies playing out with officers and with protesters. and so you're seeing some days where officers seem to be reacting to completely peaceful protests, and shooting into the crowds, tear gas indiscriminately and you're

seeing other days where officers are waiting until a small group of protesters has started to, you know, light fires on the building, try to break into the building before coming out. but even then, they'll respond by tear gassing everyone, shooting indiscriminately into the crowd. >> you told "the washington post" that you were tear gassed and you said your eyes were burning, your throat was burning. you actually threw up because you were coughing so hard. what happened at the time that you were tear gassed? what led up to that? >> so the national officers, the federal officers have been shooting off tear gas every single night, repeatedly, almost every single night, and so that incident was -- i was in the park away from protesters. i was clearly labeled as press,

and then they threw a flash grenade at me, and then as i told my mom to run, and we were running down the path, and then they shoot a tear gas canister at us as we're trying to move away. and we have been exposed to tear gas every single night we have been out there. >> wow. before i let you go, the post is reporting that you may be the only front line reporter regularly risking your safety to write for a high school newspaper. why is it so important for you to be out there, and also, i want to add to that, tell me about the importance of local journalism in times like these? >> oh, yeah, so i have been out there because it is -- this is happening in my backyard, and it's so important that we provide a record of what's going on, and we provide people in the community and i mean that in a general sense of the word with

the tools they need to follow along and see what's actually going on here in portland because this is an unprecedented situation. and i think that the best people to cover this situation are local journalists because they understand the nuances of the situation much better than national correspondents who are just coming in because these protests have been going on for almost 60 days now. and so having -- it's so important that there are people on the ground who actually understand what's been going on leading up to this that are covering the protests. >> well said, eddie, and stay safe. continue to do good work there. eddie binford ross, thanks for joining us today. >> thank you. now to a coronavirus hot spot, texas, where the southern coast is now facing another danger, hurricane hanna. the first hurricane in the atlantic this season, inching closer and closer to the south

texas coast where it's expected to make landfall in the next few hours. hurricane force winds already being seen along south padre island where swells are expected to increase and affect much of the texas and louisiana coast. back with us from north padre island in texas is david yellman, meteorologist for kxas in austin. i see in the last hour, that storm surge even higher right now. >> reporter: it is, yeah, and we have had some spectators coming on and off at this look out point, hiding behind a shelter where my photographer is right now. we have significant sustained tropical storm force winds of about 50 miles per hour, and we have had gusts up to almost 70 miles per hour, which is close to hurricane force, kind of making it hard to stand at times, as this rapidly intensify hurricane, it gained 35 miles per hour of wind speed at its core in the last 24 hours, moved

toward a location just south of us. we're kind of receiving the brunt right now of the northern eye wall which means the wind is coming right on shore from the gulf of mexico. they're just piling in this water, piling in these waves which have been well overhead here behind me. we have a storm surge gauge which shows that the ocean right now is about 6 feet above its standard tide level for this time of day. >> david, i hope you can hear me, i want to ask you, all of this is happening at the same time, not only your state but your city dealing with a surge in covid-19 cases. how is that impacting preparations. i know in hawaii, they were saying, bring a mask with you if you have to evacuate. how is that playing out right now? >> reporter: well, you know, a lot of folks around here until yesterday afternoon thought this was going to be a weak tropical storm. so nobody left. not many people even boarded up their windows our took their boats out of the water. late last night when people

realized the significant of the fact that we were expecting now a category 1 hurricane, and it's still strengthening, has 80 miles per hour winds 15 miles over my shoulder, people started it take it a little more seriously. the thing is, right here in these counties, we don't have any mandatory evacuation order. we just have one voluntary evacuation in the county to our south, so that means storm shelters, clogged roadways, they're just not really happening around here. from what we have been asking, we have talked to county officials, they are limiting capacity at their storm shelters were they to be a big issue. it sounds like a lot of people, if not everyone has just stayed home. >> waiting out the storm. hopefully people stay safe, and the damage is minimal. judging by the winds it looks like a powerful storm. thank you. let's get to the pacific, hurricane douglas barrelling toward hawaii. it's been downgraded to a category 2 storm.

it poses a significant threat to the islands, particularly oahu and maui. warning of life threatening surge conditions and winds up to 105 miles per hour. right now, treasury secretary steven mnuchin and white house chief of staff meeting with mitch mcconnell staff about the upcoming covid relief bill. the president spending the weekend at his golf club. shannon, what's the latest with this bill? >> reporter: it seems like maybe there's been some progress with meadows and mnuchin up there. they were indicating there could be text of a bill coming on monday, so possible that mcconnell has broken up this mutiny, really, in the republican party among the senators and gotten a consensus together. of course we have to bring democrats in the picture. democrats haven't even started to begin negotiating with

republicans on this. whatever the senate republicans do agree on and pass is going to have to get past nancy pelosi's house. there's still a lot of questions. mitch mcconnell was saying several weeks this could take, and of course people's unemployment benefits are going to start getting cut back beginning the end of the week, and we have seen an expiration of this moratorium on evictions. it's going to be a tense few weeks on capitol hill, definitely. >> you have reporting out today about the president's shift, not only a shift about covid, but also away from covid and on to crime. really marked by the release of an ad. let's take a look. >> joe biden said he's absolutely on board with defunding the police. listen closely. >> yes, absolutely. >> hello, you've reached 911. i'm sorry that there is no one here to answer your emergency call, but leave a message, and we'll get back to you as soon as we can. >> i'm donald j. trump, and i approve this message. >> what's going on behind the scenes here?

>> reporter: the trump campaign, after, you know, gyrating between a number of messages feels like they have finally settled on a theme that's going to carry them through these next hundred days of the election. that is you will not be safe in joe biden's america. they're going to continue hammering away at this issue of crime in inner cities, protests like we have been seeing in portland and seattle, and painting the picture of a country that is falling into anarchy and will only get worse under joe biden. that's the message that they are really solidifying around and doubling down on, and it's a message that they hope will shift people's fears and concerns about what's going on in the country to crime and protests and anarchy, and away from coronavirus, which has been not a winning issue for the president. the vast majority of people say they trust joe biden to handle the coronavirus over president trump. obviously we have 145,000 people dead in this new wave, emerging throughout the south, so they want to change the subject from

coronavirus to crime and that's what we will really hear a lot more from the white house and the trump campaign in the coming weeks. >> msnbc's shannon pettypiece, thank you for the update this afternoon. on the west coast a kind of whiplash for california as coronavirus cases skyrocket. the first state issues stay-at-home orders, now surpassing new york in cases. at the regional medical center in san jose, california, not the news we want to hear. any reason for what's behind the spike? >> reporter: well, lindsey, you know, this is a big state. there's a lot going on, and we can sort of take it piece by piece. here in san jose, this is one of the cities that was identified earlier this week by dr. deborah birx as a case where the trends are troubling. in santa clara county, the hospitals are about 30% of capacity, not too bad.

but then you get beyond that and you look at the rest of the state, and it is certainly concerning. take a look now at the statewide numbers. about 440,000 cumulative cases, 13,000 new cases in the last day. 180 new deaths, and as you mentioned, california has now surpassed new york in terms of the total number of cases. remember, this was a state where they were the first to implement stay-at-home orders. they then began reversing those orders in may, and now the question is do they need to shut it back down again. >> i don't think right now i would support a statewide shout down because certain counties are doing well, and others are not. the virus is not uniformly distributed across california. i want to urge republican elected officials at both the federal and local level to take this virus more seriously, to tell their constituents to wear a mask in public.

>> reporter: despite that, there are some pretty serious pockets going on here, and there are reopenings that are being rolled back. among the places where they are particularly concerned is san joaquin county, a couple of hours north of me where the icu beds at the hospitals up there are at or in some cases, beyond capacity. similar situation in riverside county, in southern california, in both places they have brought in personnel from the air force to try and help support those hospitals. the numbers are just not going the way they want to see them here in california. lindsey? >> we hope things turn around there. nbc's scott cohn in san jose, thank you. up next, we're taking a look at the devastating economic toll of covid-19 around the country. this week will mark the end of unemployment benefits for millions of people and the end to an eviction moratorium. we're live in north carolina with a look at the wide ranging impacts. and we'll dive into reports that president trump asked

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millions across the country are struggling with what could be a devastating double whammy this weekend. today marks the end of a national four-month federal moratorium that has protected millions from losing their homes in the middle of this pandemic. the city is now bracing for a nationwide surge in evictions. that ban is ending just as federal enhancement to

unemployment benefits, that $600 weekly boost also lapses in the days ahead with no relief from congress in sight. right now as senate republicans delay the release of their next stimulus bill, nbc's jordan jackson joins me from greensboro, north carolina, with the latest on how those impacted are fighting to stay afloat. jordan? >> reporter: that's right, lindsey, right now it really is a fight for so many to stay above water here. republicans say that these extra benefits could encourage people to not go out and to look for new jobs, but i spoke to a director at this career center earlier this morning who said that as this community here in greensboro begins to reopen, people are coming in and asking for help to be able to find some of these open positions. take a listen to what he told me. >> as the pandemic started, the majority of individuals were reaching out for assistance getting connected to unemployment benefits as that has kind of, you know,

stabilized if that's what we call it. we are in this new normal. individuals are seeking services for employment. >> reporter: now, the other worry just hanging over this community is housing. as you know, that eviction ban ended just last night, and many could be pushed out of their homes right now. that's actually what happened to one mother in milwaukee who lost her small business because of this pandemic. i want to play what she had to say. >> i know they don't mean anything to my landlord, but they mean something to me. and so like i said, just knowing that you can't provide your kids with the essential things, that rips me apart. >> reporter: now, you can see this fear, many people are using these extra benefits to help pay for rent. thankfully this mother has found a home, she has found a place to

go but says that she is still haunted by this housing uncertainty and that's just an uncertainty that so many people across the nation are feeling this weekend. >> yeah, that really brings it home. so much pain in that mother's heart. jordan jackson in greensboro, north carolina. president trump is spending the weekend at his golf resort in bedminster, new jersey, but history golf course in scotland raising questions about conflicts of interest. president trump denied reports that back in 2018, he pressured the u.s. ambassador to the uk to get the british open golf tournament at his mary property. in the wake of a pandemic that has crippled the nation, this is a story you may have heard little about, though it might sound familiar, that's because just last year, the white house chose the trump national doral resort in miami of a g7 meeting. after intense criticism, the administration backed off the location. last fall in a visit to ireland, vice president mike pence and

his entourage of secret service stayed at trump's resort in duneberg, despite the fact that the vice president's meetings were 180 miles away from dublin. a "new york times" count of 275 times the president has visited his family owned golf courses since taking office. joining me now is richard painter, former white house chief ethics lawyer under george w. bush, thank you for joining me this afternoon. this request for the british open, unethical, is it unconstitutional? >> it's definitely unconstitutional. this is a violation of the emoluments clause of the institution, if he is getting any profit and benefit from the british government, arranged by the british government. the founders were very intent that no one who holds a position of trust and confidence with the united states government ought to be permitted to receive profits and bcenefits from foreign governments. what's the point of throwing the british tea if we're going to

have a president who tries to get profits and benefits dealing with great britain or any other country. clearly unconstitutional. he has been soliciting emoluments around the globe, it's been going on for a long time, and it needs to be shut down, i brought a lawsuit against him back in 2017 of the emoluments clause, that's the second circuit, courts in new york, congress has investigated the emoluments violations, but the bottom line is this president has no regard for the constitution. further more if he asked for any quid pro quo on this, it is solicitation of a bribe, and that is a criminal defense. it's a very serious situation. focuses on his golf courses while americans are throwing out of their homes, unemployment is skyrocketing because of his mishandling of the covid-19 pandemic, and all he cares about is making money on his golf

courses. >> what do you think it says that these instances are becoming so common that they don't seem to attract any attention? >> this is very common with this president, has been since the day he took office, and that's why we sued him under the emoluments clause in thhis firsl day as president. he has been focusing on the bottom line. i think he knows he's on the way out the door, and he's going to take as much as he can off the table, and as much as he can between now and january '20. >> if he's reelected do you feel like this will embolden the president for much of the same behavior? >> i believe if he's reelected we're going to get four more years of this or worse, and that includes what's going on in the streets of portland, sending the troops in there to attack peaceful protesters, the abuses of the constitution, and by the way, great britain is not the only foreign government he has been trying to get favors from,

ukraine, russia, australia, it goes on and on. >> richard painter, thank you for your time today. >> thank you. a live look at troy, alabama, where people are gathering to pay final respects to congressman john lewis. we'll take you there. plus, the st. louis couple who pulled weapons on peaceful demonstrators now face criminal charges but republican heavy weights may be ready to step in and make it all go away. that story coming up. n and make it all go away. that story coming up

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honor the boy from troy, congressman john lewis. the six-day memorial celebration began today in lewis's hometown. joining us right now from the memorial services in troy, alabama, is nbc's priscilla thompson, you had the opportunity to speak to lewis's brother, henry grant lewis. what did he have to say? >> reporter: well, yeah, i caught with him just as he was leaving those services here today. and we spoke about just the outpouring of love and support that he's seeing here today. that has meant so much to this family that is grieving this loss, and he was just saying seeing all of these people who have decided to come out even amid a pandemic to pay their respects to his older brother has just been so touching and moving and really, you know, shown what an impact john lewis had not only on this country, but also on this world. and you know, i also ask him

about his favorite memories of his older brother that he'll carry with him, and i want you to take a listen to what he described to me. >> how generous and how kind he were, and how he would pick out the least among the crowd, and gravitate towards that person. he had that kind heart. he had that inner peace within himself. and he would just go out of his way to help anyone that was being treated unfair, unjust, and he would get in what he called good trouble by doing that. >> reporter: and that echoes so many of the tributes that we heard inside this arena earlier today as john lewis's other siblings paid their respects and one thing his sister said that really struck me was that, you know, he came from humble

beginnings here in troy, alabama. and he was a humble man. and i think that is something i've heard reflected in those people who have known him his entire life but also those who only met him recently in the past few years, you know, from constituents in atlanta to folks here in alabama who said that even as john lewis went off and became this great congressman in washington, d.c., he never forgot about the folks here, even if he didn't have time built in to his schedule to speak with you, he would make the time to talk to folks and make them feel important, and so it's certainly a loss that's being felt very deeply here in this community. >> such a moving interview, priscilla, today is day one of six in remembering and honoring john lewis, what happens next? >> reporter: here shortly john lewis's casket will journey on to selma, alabama, where there will be a private service held there this afternoon, and then he will lie in repose there, and then tomorrow morning, that final crossing a procession with

his casket across the edmund pettus bridge where john lewis himself walked across in 1965 and has continued to do sort of in commemoration the past few years, but then he will head on to washington, d.c. where he will lie in state there at the top of the u.s. capitol steps before returning to the south to atlanta, georgia, where he'll lie in state at the capitol in georgia and then have those final home going services before he's ultimately laid to rest in atlanta. >> nbc's priscilla thompson in troy, alabama, thank you. a troubling story out of virginia as police in the town of enrico were called to a grocery store following a customer refusing to let a black employee bag her groceries, then after telling the man about the incident, the same teenage employee went outside to collect shopping carts, and that's when police say the woman nearly ran over the teen with her car. the woman rolled down her window

and yelled something to the effect of you're going to remember this. police are working to identify the woman in question. a st. louis couple went viral in a video of them pointing guns outside their home face felony charges. the couple repeatedly claimed they feared for their lives. st. louis circuit attorney charged mark and patricia mccloskey with unlawful use of a weapon. president trump has defended the couple and featuring them in a virtual trump campaign event. mccloskeys participated in a campaign web series with donald trump jr.'s girlfriend. joining me now st. louis radio kronlt. you have be correspondent. you have been following this closely. what led to the decision to charge the couple? >> circuit attorney kim gardner believed there was enough evidence to show the two violated missouri state law of

unlawful use of a weapon, and the fact that they were flourishing the weapon on people walking down a street violated missouri state law. what both the mccloskey attorneys and defenders are going to say is this was a private street and that in effect constituted private property. it's going to be up to the courts to decide which side obviously is more compelling. both of them have been assigned a judge. people are obviously watching this case because of the viral video that has transfixed the nation. >> there's also state officials weighing in. in fact, missouri's governor and the state attorney general weighing in. what's the likelihood here that there could be some kind of pardon? >> especially if either mccloskey is found guilty, there's a very high likelihood that they would institute a pardon in this particular case. there's also been an amicus

brief trying to dismiss the case. one thing that should be noted that a lot of national correspondents aren't picking up on is kim gardner is up for reelection, and it's widely believed that this, senator josh hawley, eric schmidt is actually energizing democratic voters to reelect. st. louis is an overwhelmingly democratic city. even though this may help the republican politicians, it may have the unintended consequence of helping kim gardner getting back into office. >> we're having a little trouble with your audio, we thank you for your live report. there's a rare silver lining to the stories of lock downs due to the coronavirus pandemic. a dramatic drop in premature births which could be a game changer for doctors and millions of pregnant women. changer for doctors and millions of pregnant women.

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scientists are studying what may be a silver lining that came out of coronavirus lock downs as hospitals around the world filled with infections, doctors uncovered a mystery, premature births were enigmatically disappearing. several countries have reported big dips in babies being born too early. global correspondent, helen huntley, have scientists figured out why? >> reporter: of course that is the big question, but great to have good news coming out of this pandemic, as you mentioned across a number of countries, a dramatic drop off in the number of babies being born prematurely in lock down. it's something doctors started to observe independently in ireland and denmark. if you take a look at the figures, they are dramatic. in denmark, a 91% dropoff there was recorded. that is nationwide compared to the past five years. if you take a look at ireland and the case study out of a hospital in the city of limerick

there, a 73% reduction compared with the past 20 years. f now, those doctors, they asked their colleagues around the world if they have also been observing a similar phenomenon, they have colleagues in the united states as well as australia, and the netherlands, they have been seeing this trend as well. as you mentioned, everyone wants to know why, and doctors say at this stage, they can't speculate. of course researchers are looking into a number of hypotheses, including the idea that expectant mothers staying at home during lock down may have been able to get a little more rest and sleep. they may then have also had limited exposure or lessened exposure to contracting a serious infection or illness which can trigger an early onset of labor, and also that reduction in air pollution as well under lock down. now, this is all good news, according to dr. michael christianson, the danish researcher currently looking into because particularly when it comes to the first two

factors, they can be mitigated even after the pandemic. take a listen to what he told me. >> these areas are very interesting because you can do something about them. and have that's one of the things that drives us a lot, you know, that we sort of can see the end of the rainbow or see there might be a pot of gold that we could reduce the frequency of the births, and mortality and morbidity among children. >> reporter: one thing we should say is that these findings have yet to be peer reviewed. an international study group has been set up to look into the phenomenon, and that is key here. because in the united states, keep in mind, one in ten babies is born prematurely, and according to the cdc, babies born at 32 weeks or under have a higher risk of cerebral palsy or death as well. hopefully this is a silver lining and a breakthrough in a

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enemy, and no, it isn't the coronavirus pandemic. as his poll numbers continue to slide further behind former vice president joe biden, the trump campaign is doubling down on its intent to deliver law and order to american cities still still embroiled in protests. by sending federal agents to places like portland, where demonstrators have been whisked away by unnamed federal officers, and detained f, sometimes for hours on end. part of a pattern of autocratic behavior by the president. you may recall shocking video of peaceful protestors tear gassed outside the white house in early june, while protesting police brutality. or migrant children separated from their families at the border. or as recently as this past sunday, when president trump told fox news' chris wallace that he may not accept the results of the 2020 election. >> are you suggesting that you

might not accept the results of the election? can you give a direct answer, you will accept the election? >> i have to see. look, i have to see. i'm not just going to say yes. i'm not going to say no. and i didn't last time, either. >> it is frightening and chaotic. but to quote our next guest, perhaps, the chaos is the point. joining us now to discuss is anne applebaum and author of the book "twilight of democracy" and i would like to talk about your most recent article in the atlantic. describe what that means. >> what i mean is that we're not much wai watching the trump administration arrest the mayor of portland or arrest the governor of oregon or conduct mass arrests. what we're watching is the use of -- of federal troops. and these are troops who customs and border patrol officers, coast guard officers, tsa officers, who don't have training to do this kind of work

at all. the use of federal troops. putting them, wearing camouflage uniforms, heavily armed. putting them in a situation, beside protestors, in a way that is almost 100% guaranteed to make the situation worse. anybody who knows anything about policing, knows that this will happen. that there will, therefore, be seeds of violence that the untrained men will fight with the protestors. the protestors will fight back. and then, we'll get the kinds of pictures that we've seen over the last few days. what's the point of doing that? the point is that the president wants to be able to show, on television, to his supporters, to send the message we are in control. we are attacking and controlling these -- these left-wing democrat, urban americans, who you don't like. and we're putting -- we're keeping control of them. that's what i meant by performative. i mean, it's -- in addition to that, we're talking about violations of people's rights.

we're talking about defying all kind of precedents about states and the federal government and so on. you know, and there will be lawsuits. and -- and -- and there are other issues. but, on top of all that, this is the president trying to show people that -- who support him and who find this kind of action appealing, that he is in charge. >> well, the president isn't backing down. if anything, he's doubling down. and clearly, this is just encouraging more people to get out and protest in the street. so are we just in a circle right now? how does this resolve itself? >> so i think that's the point. the think they, the trump administration, would like that kind of circle to continue. i think they would like -- they would like more protests. they would like more violent protests. they would like people to get angrier because it's when they have that anger, they can, then, use that message to push their message harder on facebook or other forms of social media, which of course have algorithms that favor anger and favor high

emotion. i'm afraid we may be entering a very unpleasant, vicious cycle. >> thank you for your time. we appreciate it. we have breaking news, everybody, from the entertainment world. legendary telephone vision host regis philman has died. philbin got his national start in 1967 on the joey bishop show before becoming host of live with regis and kathy lee, alongside kathy lee gifford. who wants to be a millionaire to america's got talent. regis philbin was 88 years old. again, surrounded by family and friends. it's telling us' passed away from natural causes. he even holds the guinness world record for most hours on u.s. television. and joining us now, by phone, is

alan, the chief tv critic for rolling stone. thank you for being with us. this is sad news today. >> it is. but regis had an incredible run. he was on tv more than any american, ever. he is one of the indelible characters in the history of television. it's a remarkable life he lived. >> what do you think it was about him that really endeared him in the hearts of americans? >> i think it was his energy. like, no matter how old he got, it just seemed bottomless. he was like your uncle who showed up at thanksgiving and was pulling quarters out of everybody's ears. he's just -- there was so much joy and irrepressibility to regis philbin. >> and he was a trailblazer, too. talk about not only his remarkable career but the careers of others he launched. we are looking now at kelly ripa and kathy lee gifford.

>> yeah. he was a tv veteran, and they put him with people who did not necessarily have a history of doing talk shows. kelly ripa was on a soap opera at the time. made this institution that has already outlived him, and will outlive kelly ripa and everyone else associated with it i imagine. >> what do you think will be most memorable about his legacy? >> i feel like, probably, it's going to be him with the tone on tone suit and tie. saying that's your final answer because who wants to be a millionaire, especially in that first year back in 1999, is one of the big phenomenons television has ever had and he was a huge, huge part of that. >> alan, thanks for being with us. again, regis philbin, passed way at the age of 88. the news continues after the break with alicia menendez on msnbc. ndez on msnbc. so you only pay for what you need?

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menendez. we are following breaking news out of louisville, kentucky. nbc news has confirmed reports of a shooting incident that broke out where dueling demonstrations over the death of breonna taylor are taking place. nbc's cal perry is on the ground in louisville. cal, what is the latest on this shooting? >> hey, alicia. police saying at le