match-up, but on the senate side, democratic candidate mark kelly is leading his republican challenger martha mcsally by 12 points. as you just heard chuck schumer explain the senate republicans do not appear to have what it takes to effectively govern and now the democrats are favored to retake the senate with competitive races in previously ruby red states like georgia where i grew up and iowa. so while the presidential election tends to take up all of the oxygen, the importance of these senate races cannot be overstated. if democrats take the white house but republicans keep the senate, good luck passing meaningful legislation or confirming that black woman to the supreme court that joe biden has promised or shaping a democratic cabinet. trump wouldn't even be on the ballot if the republican controlled senate led by a self-proclaimed grim reaper

mitch mcconnell chose the country over the loyalty when 45 was impeached and it's because the republicans controlled the senate they got away with this. >> one of my proudest moments i looked barack obama in the eye i said, you will not fulfill the supreme court vacancy. >> it's because republicans control the senate they were able to ignore the constitutional duty and dismiss the impeachment trial from the get-go. >> this thing will come to the senate and it will die quickly and i will do everything i can to make it die quickly. i am trying to give a pretty clear signal, i have made up my mind. >> if it wasn't in any doubt. >> we will have a lot more on the senate races in just a few minutes but first, ali velshi, one of my favorite people, traveled to pennsylvania to talk to some voters in the key battle ground state. take a look at some of what they had to say about donald trump.

>> i just have been so disappointed with what's been going on in this country for the last four years. the leadership, it's just been meek as far as i'm concerned. >> i have never been a big trump cheerleader. i'm frequently dismayed by his lack of presidential decorum, but on the other hand he's a manager and ilike the way he's managing. >> he's setting a tone that my 4-year-old did that, i would say don't speak to somebody that way. you're not going to change somebody's mind. >> we can't sustain this for another four years. >> and joining me now is ali velshi, i'm so excited to share the screen with you. great work talking to the voters there and i have to ask you, so the former gop chair rob gleason said that the support for trump is pretty much immovable in

pennsylvania. he said the bigger the controversy, the more trump flags and signs go up. what do you make of this? >> yeah. look, i have seen a few of then on the drive here. i spend my weekends -- in fact, i'm here most of my time in pennsylvania but i'm an hour away from where i am in bethlehem. the conversation i had with the six residents of bucks county, three were republicans, three were democrats. not that they didn't agree on stuff. it's like they were in slightly different universes. their entire life experience was different. what i thought was useful was that they were listening to each other. they were sort of talking to each other. they weren't arguing with each other. but it does seem that they get their information from entirely different bubbles. and i think that's what part of the issue is. so somebody makes a point here and somebody makes a point there, but they're not actually talking with each other. the bottom line in a place like pennsylvania though is many fold. one it's a more diverse place than it looks like, even in the rural and suburban areas.

number two, this. i'm in front of the steel plant. this is industrial america and this is where donald trump and, by the way, bernie sanders were trying to appeal to voters to say, i can help revive this. i can make us into the manufacturing country again. donald trump had a ham fisted way of doing that with his trade policy ended up getting us into the trade war but it's the trade policy that made the jobs do away and we didn't do anything about it for the people. so what is a sense of you all cheated me to some degree, who is most honest about the jobs coming back. four years ago, donald trump won the support of -- if you take out the people who supported him because of the rhetoric and racism, workers said maybe he can do something. he couldn't do it when the going was good, now a hundred days to go, most people are starting to

say he probably can't do it now. but the beauty out there as opposed to being in the studio every time i'm out here, i realize that people are not raiding the -- reading the broad cross section of stuff or watching a broad section of tv like you and i consume. they're getting the message they're getting and that's what's resonating. but i think we need to be out more talking to people. i have been watching you on there, the best part about it is that you're there and the worst part about it is we have back-to-back shows and we never get to talk to each other. one of the best things about my job is talking to you. >> i agree. thank you so much, ali. i love it. i love talking to you. i want to keep you for one more second because i have to ask, in philly, the black voters in 2012 really made the difference there. they came out for obama. >> yes. >> also not lost on me this is joe biden's home state. this is where he was born and he likes to tout his scrappy upbringing in scranton. i wonder how the two things will

play. do you think the black voters in philly will come out this time for a biden ticket? >> i think they do. what you see is an expansion of the grip the democrats have on the cities. pittsburgh and in philadelphia. you have seen that now starting to spread to the counties. we talked about the suburban people, well, that's what philadelphia has got a lot of the kind of suburbs and they are more blue than red right now. because it is those people who don't subscribe to the social conservatism. they don't subscribe to the racist stuff coming out of the administration and they're realizing that while the stock market is doing very well and it resonates with that crowd, what are jobs looking like and why is this coronavirus still carrying on to the degree it is? and i think the philadelphia and the surrounding areas are safely democratic at this point and i think that the african-american population in those places does

tend to be quite politicized and understand what's going on. so i don't think philadelphia is going to be the problem, but i think the issue as you mentioned specifically is enthusiasm and making sure everybody comes out to vote. that's the challenge particularly with the coronavirus and the issues around mail-in ballots. >> well, we will see what happens. thank you. we have to do more of this, i hope. thank you, my friend. >> we absolutely will. >> absolutely. all right, joining me now is jamie harrison, democratic senate candidate in south carolina running to unseat lindsey graham and mike espy democratic candidate from mississippi. i'm so excited to talk to you both today, because you have both outraised your competitors. so i'm going to start with you, jamie. you for the second quarter have outraised lindsey graham. one thing i find interesting about your race is in both camps a lot of the money is coming

from out of state. lindsey graham gets a lot of out of state fund-raising, so do you, which says all of america knows how important these senate races are. what do you think about your chances in unseating lindsey graham and how is it going with the people inside your state in south carolina? >> well, listen, tiffany, it's so great to see you. i hope that expect the msnbc brass needs to know that crosstalk needs to be here every week. today is 100 days out and we are launching here in south carolina our all-in for south carolina campaign with the south carolina democratic party. the energy on the ground in south carolina is like nothing i have ever seen in my life. i have been doing south carolina politics since i was 16. we have 60 staff members from the democratic party and over 1,300 volunteers that are out

all over south carolina getting our message out. we are going to send lindsey graham home because he's the relic of the old south. this is about building a new south, a new south that's build and inclusive and diverse and we are looking to our future and not being anchored in our past. come join us, jamie harrison.com and be a part of the effort to really change this country. but specifically, change the south. >> let me stick with you for a second, because you talk about building a diverse coalition. you got an endorsement from dick wilkerson. tell the people who dick wilkerson is and why that's such a big issue for your campaign. >> he was the president and the chairman of michelin north america, one of the largest companies here in south carolina, but what makes dick interesting he was cochair of graham's finance committee when he ran for president. he was a big supporter of

lindsey, he has given him thousands of dollars but he said i'm supporting jamie harrison and he talked about lindsey, listen, lindsey graham lost my respect because when he did not stand up at the memory of his best friend john mccain, a war hero, then i said to myself, if he won't stand up for his best friend, what will he do for me and what will he do for this state? that is a question we're hearing constantly all over south carolina. what has happened to lindsey graham? this isn't the same person. almost like watching a live version of the invasion of the body snatchers. we need a senator who is going to fight for us not more focused on his tee times or dinner with the president. that's not what we send you to washington, d.c. to do. we need a senator to do the work of the people of south carolina. and lindsey just isn't it. >> well, don't go anywhere because i'm coming back to you, but i want to switch to you, mr. espy. i have been watching your race for a long time.

i covered it from d.c. the last cycle in 2018. you also have outraised your opponent, a republican, cindy hyde-smith. what i find interesting about mississippi is that black people comprise almost 40% of the population, but because of rampant voter suppression, they don't necessarily comprise a large portion of the voting share. how are you going to -- i guess hurdle that obstacle in turning out the vote given the stark racial lines where -- how voters tend to vote in mississippi? >> well, good morning, tiffany. good to be with you and i do appreciate that question. first of all, we did -- we did outraise against senator hyde-smith by three times and we can do it again. we just need more and more

resources. if the democrats want to see me at their gains, in the u.s. senate, then they cannot ignore the south. because this race goes through the south, goes through south carolina. and it goes through mississippi. i'm glad that you mentioned our last race. that was a prelude. it was a run-up to this race. we ran it 18 months ago. we had only six months to run and we got 47% of the statewide vote. here in mississippi i want people to understand that we have more black voters per capita than any state in the nation. just as you said it's a problem just of turning them out. so our goal here in 2020 is to have more resources to get them out. that's why i'm asking everybody to go to espy for senate.com and that's what we need. more black voters than any state in the nation. i'm get 99% of that, we have to make sure that more will come out and then because you can't

win in mississippi by black folks alone and nor should you, we have enough counties, pockets and enclaves in mississippi now that will turn in prodigiously purple and even blue. so it's our goal to go and get those moderate voters, those independent voters. those voters that are tired of senator hyde-smith that glorify the confederate symbols. she's the only one statewide state official who didn't endorse taking down those flags. people are tired of it, tired of her leadership. they want to turn the page, they want to move on. they want to do the leadership and they want me i believe to be their next senator. so our goal in the next 100 days is to build the widest, deepest coalition of mississippi in history and pair that with the coalition that includes moderate voters in the suburbs, in the college towns, mississippi gulf

coast. that's a winning coalition in mississippi and a winning coalition in the nation. we just need the resources. espy for senate.com. >> well, so -- i'm going to stick with you for a second, because the interesting thing about your race is that race is actually on the ballot. you could potentially become mississippi's first black senator since reconstruction. i think that's just baffling to see. you counter that with mississippi is known for its voter suppression. one of only six states not to have made the state safer for voters in november. i have been watching you have the zoom rallies with voters trying to campaign in the time of a global pandemic. when it's about a game, when you're trying to get out the vote, what else can you do other than the zoom rallies to make people aware of what is happening in mississippi. the fact that you could become

the first black senator since reconstruction, you're running against a senate who tells lynching jokes during the last election cycle. she made a lynching joke, publicly, on video and the joke itself wasn't bad enough it was the laughter from the crowd. so i imagine that must be quite the experience for you running against someone like that. >> absolutely. absolutely. but she is an anachronism. she went to jefferson davis museum. she tried on a rebel hat. the rebel race coat, the confederate gun. but she said this is the best of mississippi's history. now, she said that in 2014. not 1914 or 1814. so people know who she is. they know how she thinks, glorifying confederate symbols. and with regard to my being the first senator from mississippi since reconstruction, remember, i was the first congressman from mississippi since reconstruction in 1986 when i was elected in

the 100th congress with john lewis. my friend and my memories go to him for today for sure. all we have to do again, we know the proscription. we know the formula. it's the building a large african-american turnout and pairing that with moderate voters worldwide who want to turn the page toward new leadership, expand medicaid. lift incomes and increase educational aspirations. we will do that. we need the resources here in mississippi. >> before i go back to jamie, i want our viewers to know that your father actually prepared the body of emmett till to go back to chicago after he was murdered there by a lot -- he would have been 79 years old yesterday. so it just punctuates the point that this kind of brutalized racism is not that old and it was not that long ago. i want to turn back to you,

jamie, before i run out of time. one thing i find interesting about south carolina is voter suppression. south carolina's home to about 950,000 eligible voters. but so many are unregistered. a part of this was because there was some rule they wanted people to give their social security numbers to vote and i understand that has been taken down and they have only to give part of their social security numbers. how are you planning to address that and how are you campaigning again in this time of a global pandemic? >> yeah, you know, today in terms of campaigning in the pandemic, we are having a contactless sign pickup across the state of south carolina. because people have been anxious to get our signs and put out in the yards and to put in front of their businesses. so we are coordinating with our state party to make sure people pick up the signs without any contact. making sure they're safe along with our volunteers. so we're doing all types of things to be as creative as we

possibly can to reach out to voters and to talk to voters. but as it relates to the issue of voter suppression it's a big issue not only in south carolina, but across the south. when they got into the voting rights -- when the supreme court made their ruling, it really increased the activity in terms of suppression. and that is why it is so important for myself, so many of us to go to the united states senate so that we can pass a voting rights act and in order to stop the suppression. >> as we lay john lewis to rest today, i can't punctuate that point enough. it's understood that the south is red, but the south is only red until it ain't. thank you for your work and good luck to you both. coming up, millions of working class americans are screwed unless mitch mcconnell gets his act together. that's next. thousands of women with metastatic breast cancer,

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congresswoman barbara lee summed it up this way. >> we have to recognize that housing should be a human right and for the republicans and senator mcconnell not to grasp that and understand that as a value in america is a moral disgrace. and they need to come back and they need to work on this legislation. >> joining me now is congresswoman pressley. a member of the house oversight committee. i'm so happy to have you with this morning for this conversation specifically. >> good morning. great to be a part of crosstalk. i got my hoops on for you. >> thank you. i just want to let our viewers know, because i know of your story. you know about my story. i want our viewers to know better than most we understand what it's like, when money is running out, rent is due. you have to worry about how to feed the kids.

we grew up challenged. you know, recent times, we still face challenges. so i want the viewers to know they're in good company this morning because we can testify on this sunday if we want to. so i want to ask you given where we are as a country and so many people are suffering and running out of money, the house passed this bill, it's challenged in the republican control senate, the republicans can't agree with the white house on where they can stand or how to help the american people. what can we do as a people to help get the c.a.r.e.s. act passed in the senate and what can you do as someone in the lower chamber in the house to push this bill through, to give relief to so many people in america who are struggling right now? >> yeah. well, first, i want to acknowledge that those struggles are not new. i represent one of the most diverse, dynamic, vibrant districts in the country, the massachusetts's 7th congressional district and one of the most unequal.

so we find ourselves navigating a crisis within a crisis with this pandemic and also the financial hardship that it's caused. when i was elected to congress, and took that oath in january, i joined that body in midst of the federal government shutdown. many people were surprised to learn how many families were already on the precipice that did not even have $400 saved to weather a disruptive life event. so this hurt has been existing. it's only been exasperated at this moment. our gop colleagues in the senate, i'm not sure if they're cruel, callous, clueless or all three. the massachusetts 7th has been one of the hardest hit by the pandemic and that means in the public health outcomes and also with the economic hardship. we have the highest unemployment rate, 17.4% unemployment rate. so what we find understands in the precipice of is a tsunami

and an eviction tsunami which threatens the public health because we are still in the midst of this pandemic and surges throughout the country. housing is a human right and it's how we stop the spread of this virus. this is cruel at every level. people need real relief now. the last unemployment checks will go out and the eviction moratoriums will expire. next weekend the rent will be due and they don't have confidence they'll make it and millions of americans are unemployed. yet, this senate gop is considering cutting the unemployment benefits. what does congress need to do? we have to continue to lead in the absence of leadership from this federal administration and from this gop led senate. so our response has to match the scale and scope and the gravity of this hurt. we have to extend the unemployment benefits not cut them. we need a moratorium on

foreclosure and eviction. we need to cancel rent and mortgages and we need an essential bill of rights to be passed as well. as we see the surges throughout the country, the lion's share of those who are contracting the coronavirus dominate our essential workforce in disproportionate communities of color. >> i appreciate what you're saying. i think one thing that's interesting, all americans are impacted by this virus. all americans are being impacted in terms of unemployment but when you break it down by race, the gap widens. the black and white unemployment rate is the widest it's been in five years. this is a stat that the trump administration loves to tout. but right now the unemployment rate for black people is 16.8 %. again, you know, all people are struggling. a lot of communities of color are struggling even more. so what -- i don't understand what the republicans are countering this plan with. and i find it interesting that they're actively fighting to end

enhanced unemployment, the $600. yet, they seem to resonate with some of the disenfranchised, impoveri impoverished, poor, white working class. as the house and the senate are both up for grabs this election cycle, i mean, what's something you can say to the voters to punctuate the differences between these two parties? >> yeah. well, it's not already a stark and pronounced given the acute hurt you're experiencing, i was remiss to talk about how important it is that we get the economic stimulus payments and that direct cash in the hands of the american people. i can't believe we have to make this argument. but donald trump and this administration, they carry his clueless, callous, water on this. i remember saying to secretary mnuchin i don't know any family that could weather this pandemic

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and now, americans are asking if we have another four years like this, will there even be an america? >> the group behind these powerful, ominous ads you have been seeing isn't the biden campaign or even the democratic party. but the lincoln project. a band of never trump republicans determined to sink the president's re-election come november. that isn't the only deadline they're up against though. in 100 days if america chooses biden these never trump conservatives will occupy a very unique and uncomfortable role. either they return to kissing their party's ring or they roll up their sleeves to transform the gop. joining me to discuss this and more is a business and marketing consultant and charlie sykes, editor-in-chief of the bulwark. i like to go to ladies first but

i'm going to turn to you on this one, charlie. because i'm really interested since you occupy this never trumper seat, and i referenced an op-ed that you wrote in the "new york times" in 2016 that i read that i found really interesting. in the op-ed you talk about how the right wing went wrong and you say that you helped advance the careers of conservatives like paul ryan and scott walker and i have to tell you, i have been in politics a long time and i think some of the careers you helped advance, it didn't start with trump. this problem was in the republican party long before trump ever took office. so now that we're here in this moment, how do you reconcile the past and what do you see the future looking like for some of these never trumpers like yourself? >> yeah. it's been a painful process. no question about it that donald trump reflects a pre-existing

condition that dysfunction didn't just occur in 2016 so we need a reckoning. right now, look, the house is on fire and we need to put out the fire and we'll worry about the redecorating later. and i do think that one of the things that's on the ballot is not just trump but trumpism. what's happened to the republican party and whether or not we can create a new coalition of the decent. we may not agree on all policy issues but i think we do agree on what values actually matter the most. decency, empathy, the rule of law, inclusion, all of those things. we may be temporary allies right now, but we are allies at a crucial moment in american democracy. if donald trump is as i think an existential threat to our democracy, this is a moment where at least for the moment, let's put aside our differences and focus on what we agree on. then go back and think, okay, what did we get wrong and what do we have to fix? when donald trump leaves the white house, the trumpian cancer

on the right it does not go away. so we have to confront both of those things. >> all right, tara, so charlie says the house is on fire, let's redecorate later. i have trust issues and i'm curious because is the enemy of my enemy my friend now? are they still my enemy? i imagine there are other people with trust issues. what are you seeing for the post trump america? allyship that can live? i wish everyone watched "game of thrones," because i can geek out on you. >> them they go over my head. >> fine. i will say for folks who do, it would be like creating an alliance with the lannisters. if you get it, final. if not, fine. are these allies? >> we need as many people as possible hammering and exposing the corruption, the

incompetence, the malice that's coming from the trump administration. i wouldn't just say donald trump because he's enabled by so many people within his administration who are more focused on tearing down than building up. that's number one. number two, i would also add that we don't need a post trump republican party. we need a post mitch mcconnell republican party. because mitch mcconnell was the biggest obstructionist to the obama administration and everything they tried to do so i'm glad that they're trying to ensure that the senate -- that we get rid of mitch mcconnell and the senate. that's important. i think there are trust issues but i will say that every campaign we have worked on, we had a back of republicans that would back our candidate. that's not uncommon in campaigns even for very progressive candidates as well. so i'm not -- i don't think this is something that's unheard of for one thing. it's something that does happen, during campaigns. i will say this. i think that what we need to

focus on is where the democratic party is going. and if people want to get on board with that, that's great. but i think the party needs to stay focused on people say we're moving to the left. i say we're moving towards greater equity. and so i think we need to focus on equity and inclusion and continue to have the party evolve that way. whoever is on the that train we welcome you on that train but it's going towards ensuring that black americans have equal access to opportunity. equal access to being treated fairly by our policing, our education system, by our health system. you know, poor people, period, have equal access to opportunity and that's where the party is going. that's where we need to continue to push the party and welcome people who are willing to take up that fight and that mantel. >> okay. so tara, trusting that allyship,

just watch season 3 of "game of thrones" that's all. you're in a battle ground state, florida, and you're a phenomenal pollster, i interviewed you for my book, thank you my friend. what do you make of the never trump space particularly in florida where the covid numbers are running rampant there. people in his base in trump's base are being impacted. is there room to grow this never trump coalition? or are the never trumpers going to be enough to help defeat donald trump come november? >> well, tiffany, i think there's room for growth in that segment. but look, we need to take a step back a minute and i would at least throw a tip of my cap to the work of the never trump movement because a lot of people say, well, where is the conscience of republicans who would stand up to president trump? we saw that in the never trumpers. folks like charlie sykes, like rick wilson, steve schmidt and others when it was not popular

stood up and drew a line in the sand and said we cannot endorse this conduct by the trump republican party. but i suspect -- i suspect that the ranks of the never trump set are going to start to swell, especially with those political republican trump republican opportunists who know how to read polls and can still do basic arithmetic. good morning, executive lynching and i think you'll see them continue to grow as we go forward. but the question of whether or not the republican party as we know it goes the way of the whig party, i really think it comes down to what the american voter decides to do. whether or not the american voter is ready to issue that reckoning, not just now in 2020. but also in 2022 and 2024, when every single republican who stood up and was complicit in trump's behavior, when they're on the ballot what happens to

them? only then we'll know if the lincoln project is ready to take over the next landscape post donald trump. >> it sounds crazy, but i think we need a republican party with sense. you know, to have a balanced discussion in the country and we definitely don't have that now. you named all the lincoln project people so i have to shout-out to my friend kurt who is doing great work. i'm not a sports person at all, but when sports intersects with politics i perk up and pay attention. donald trump tweeted out this picture yesterday of him playing golf with brett favre. you're in wisconsin, i imagine you're a brett favre fan. he rarely tweets out pictures of him on the golf course, but as 146,000 americans died of the covid virus he chose this moment to share what his weekend plans were. i find this interesting because just a few weeks ago, brett

favre was supporting colin kaepernick and saying he got screwed by the nfl and now he's on the golf course with donald trump. what do you make of your hometown friend is cold. i remember brett favre as a minnesota viking, however. as opposed to a packer fan. i think there's so many disturbing things about that. it's totally disingenuous. what is extraordinary is, yesterday we have -- we passed 150,000 americans dead from the coronavirus. it's spiking. we have these multiple crises. there is the president yucking it up on the golf course. i'm sorry it's brett favre. i think the larger picture is, this president's complete lack of connection with the reality on the ground, what's happening to the american people right now, as if that, okay, i don't need to be in the white house

while there's a hurricane and a coronavirus pandemic and fights over racial justice. i'm going to be out here partying. i think that's what's most disturbing. although, you know, brett favre has given us packer fans lots of heartburn over the years. i guess he's not done. >> i think this never trumper conversation is one we will have for a long time coming. thank you for joining me. coming up, the legacy of congressman john lewis as he crosses the edmund pettus bridge one last time. stay with us. y febreze small sp. just press firmly and it continuously eliminates odors in the air and on soft surfaces. for 45 days. >> techand your car., we're committed to taking care of you >> tech: we'll fix it right with no-contact service

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♪ good morning. just over 55 years ago, john lewis helped lead more than 600 men and women across the edmund pettus bridge in alabama to march for voting rights of disenfranchised black people across the south. the sacrifices they made broadcast around the country and the world initiated a turning point in the civil rights movement. in a few moments, the late

congressman john lewis will cross that bridge one final time in remembrance of that day. lewis and dozens of protesters were brutally beaten and tear gassed by state troopers while peacefully marching across the bridge on their way to the state capital in montgomery. the gruesome images from the march sent shockwaves through the country and led to the signingmark voting rights act. he has returned to the bridge again and again and again and again in observance of that day. on the 50th anniversary of the bloody sunday march, he marched alongside the first black president of the united states of america, and he did it this year just a few months ago, proving that he never gave up the fight. >> if i give up now and i give

y you -- keep my eyes on the prize. go out and vote like we never, ever voted before. >> the celebration of this american hero's life will span six days. right now, terry sewell and others are sending him off where marchers gathered 55 years ago before crossing the bridge. soon after, in this hour, the body of congressman lewis will be take and cross that bridge one last time. he will lie in state in the alabama capital, then the u.s. capitol in washington and finally in the georgia capital before being brought to his final resting place in atlanta. joining me now is house majority whip james clyburn. i'm happy you can join me on a somber day. i know that you and congressman

lewis were close friends. you guys actually met in 1960 at the organizational meeting of sn snick when you were 20-year-old college students. your wives were friends. how are you feeling today as you see your friend being laid to rest after sharing so much history, not just as his friend but as a congressman standing up for voting rights still today in this legislative body? >> thank you for having me. thank you so much for your honoring of john lewis today. congratulations to you. i must say, i am very proud of you, a fellow southerner, to be hosting here today. >> thank you. >> i hope that becomes a permanent thing. that's what john lewis dedicated his life to. when we met back in 1960, we

were really trying to get off the back of the bus, trying to get -- to integrate lunch rooms and lunch counters. we were doing things to really crash through some barriers. john was a tremendous person to walk alongside of him. not just in snick. it got taken from us in 1966, because we were not activist enough, i guess. john was dethrowned back in 1966. but we then moved into the voter education project. john became director of the voter education project there in atlanta, georgia. i chaired the voter education project in charleston, south carolina. for the next four or five years, we went across the south registering people to vote. john's thing was a vote is precious, almost sacred. he would always say.

among the last time i talked to him, we expressed love for each other, the saturday before he passed. i asked him, john, don't talk, just listen. i told him how i felt about him, what i felt about those years that we spent together. almost 60 years that we have been in and out of issues together. to see him go across that bridge for the last time as i did with him often, from browns chapel ame church down to the bridge and across it, that, to me, symbolizes a break with the past. i would hope that very soon the people of selma, the people of alabama, will do what is necessary to remove pettus' name from that bridge. it will be fitting and proper for it to carry on john lewis'

name as the school board did in virginia when they took robert e. lee's name and put john's name on it. this is what we need to do to show that we are moving forward as a country, that we are in pursuit of a more perfect union. we should honor john lewis in that manner. tomorrow morning, i will take the floor of the house and i will introduce a bill that's going to be called the john r. lewis voting rights act of 2020. i hope the house will pass it unanimously. i hope the senate will pass and send it on to the president. because i think this election this year ought to be in honor of john r. lewis. >> you have made news there. you are introducing the john lewis act tomorrow morning. the democrats control the house. do you anticipate republican support for this legislation? >> yes, i do. several of the republicans already voiced their support for

it. people, by and large, know what the vote is all about. there are forces that would love to suppress the vote. there are forces that would like to keep people of color, black and brown, from voting. most people know that this is a democracy. this democracy has shown the world how to govern for centuries. we cannot allow any one untruth person to take us back. so i do think there will be republicans voting for it. i think we might be able to pass this thing by what we call on suspension and get a unanimous vote. >> i will be tuning in to the house floor tomorrow to watch you introduce that legislation. thank you so much, leader clyburn, for joining us on this somber day. i know it's difficult for you as you are losing a longtime friend. i appreciate your kind words and being with us today. right now, we see terry sewell

address the crowd as she prepares to lay her friend, congressman lewis, to rest. joining me now is my friend, joy ann reed, host of "the reed out." i'm happy you are here with me on this day. you have also walked that walk with congressman lewis. how are you feeling today? tell me about the last time you were with him on that bridge. >> first of all, i have to start by saying, it's great to be on this side of the virtual desk and seeing you there on the bridge, leading the bridge. i'm very proud of you. >> thank you. >> thank you very much for having me on. i will say that i feel extremely blessed that the last time that i was in the presence of the great john lewis was being in march at the selma. every year, there are two selma commemorations. there's the jubilee celebration

the local community does. then there's the faith and politics celebration that all the members of congress, including congressman lewis, always traditionally would attend. this year something very special happened. we were all at brown chapel ame. everyone was there. even michael bloomberg was there looking grim as he was not getting the reception that joe biden got. all of the candidates were there. elizabeth warren, everyone, p. e this rumor goes up, john lewis may be here. typically, he's at the second commemoration, not the first one. this time, congressman lewis was going to attend the jubilee local celebration. it was bedlam. the march across that bridge was extremely hot. it was extremely crowded. everyone wanted to be in that procession. our friend had to grab me,

reverend sharpton, had to grab one hand to make sure i didn't get sucked into the crowd because it was so crowded. reverend sharpton had me by one hand and melanie campbell by the other. i had malcolm x's daughter to make sure she got through. when we get to the bridge, you picture you are showing, that was what was before us. john lewis on a platform speaking to the crowd. he just silenced the crowd. people were honored to be near him, to hear his voice. we knew he had been ill. no one expected him to be there initially. this rumor turned out to be real that this man was on a bridge that -- i agree with congressman clyburn, not after a klansman. it was an honor to be near him.

this year i think this vote in november is dedicated to john lewis. it's about john lewis. it's about his legacy and everything that we do from the next 100, 102 days leading up to the election is about his legacy. >> we should say about the man's name who you won't reference, that he is a former general of the ku klux klan. when an online petition was generated, it got 500,000 more signatures to support that effort. i wanted to listen to the program right now happening in selma. let's go there. ♪

♪ ♪ lead me on to the light ♪ take -- take my hand ♪ precious lord ♪ and lead me on ♪ when my way grows dim ♪ precious lord, linger near

♪ when -- when my life is almost gone ♪ ♪ hear my cry, hear -- hear my call ♪ ♪ oh, hold my hand, hold my hand, lord ♪ ♪ lest i fall ♪ take -- take my hand ♪ precious lord and lead me home ♪

[ applause ] >> please welcome for our prayer, the pos toastor, otis culliver. >> if you would, pray with me. god of our weary years, god of our silent tears, thou who has brought us thus far, all the way, thou who has by thy light keep us in their path we pray. we come before your presence this morning reverencing you as our god, understanding it is you who have made us and not we ourselves. that we are the sheep of your pasture. it is in you that we live, move and have our being. we thank you for this day.

we thank you for life and another opportunity to serve you this day and live out your purposes in the world. we thank you, lord, for this occasion as we have assembled ourselves here to give thanks to you for a life well lived. thank you for congressman john lewis. thank you, father, for his legacy. his legacy of being a freedom fighter. his legacy of being a foot soldier for justice. the legacy of being a servant of humanity. as he walked humbly with you, and as he always remembered his roots and always strived so that this world could be a better place, a more equitable world, a

world that is more just and more righteous. thank you for his service to humanity. thank you, lord, that he was willing to get in the way. thank you that he was willing to stir good trouble. thank you for his voice, the voice that will resonate in our hearts and minds for years and generations to come. thank you for his message. thank you, lord, for using him for such a time as this to bridge divides and help us become a more perfect union. i pray this morning for his family. i pray, lord, that you will comfort them as only you can. that you will undergird them with your strength and grand them your grace. i pray for your peace that surpasses all understanding to guard their hearts and their minds through christ jesus our

lord. lord, i pray we who are still remaining, who still have blood running warm in our veins, that we, too, will stand for justice, that we will stand for righteousness, that we will lift our voices for you, lift our voices for the calls that is just and right. until we hear your welcome voice say well done, good and faithful servant. as congressman lewis crosses the alabama river, we joyce today knowing he has crossed the jordan river and he is now resting in your presence. in jesus' mighty name we pray and ask all these things. amen.

>> ladies and gentlemen, this concludes the structured program. we just have a few notes we need to give everyone. first and foremost, if we can show appreciation to the congresswoman for helping to put this wonderful program together. >> we are going to step away for a second. i want to go back to you, joy, and give you a chance to offer final thoughts. you were referencing the effort to rename the bridge to name it after congressman john lewis. i should note, the director was one of the people that signed that petition to rename the bridge. any final thoughts from you, joy? >> i will quote a mutual friend that said naming the bridge would be step one. the most important thing is to restore the right to vote and to restore the voting rights act in the name of john lewis. the attempts to pass a voting rights act date back to 1866. it didn't kick in then. 1957 it was tried again.

this is when lyndon johnson showed himself to be distinct in trying to support that. it still didn't work. we couldn't get a voting rights act into the civil rights act of 1964, the act that -- the struggle to pass that was so difficult. a voting rights act could not be included because of opposition from southern senators. that's the act that rand paul said he would not have supported were he put back in that time to vote. so it took john lewis' blood on that bridge that now has rose petals across it in order to get the voting rights act. the most important thing is not the name of the bridge. it's the actual right to vote. so let's let go of the platitudes from people like mitch mcconnell. i don't think anyone is interested in hearing what they have to say. pass a restored voting rights act. pass the bill that jim clyburn talked about putting forward. pass the laws that let people who look like john lewis vote. otherwise, i think folks can

save their platitudes about his passing. >> i echo everything you just said. thank you to my friend joy for joining me. don't go anywhere. we may be coming back to you. joining me now is former ambassador to the u.n. and civil rights leader ambassador andrew young. ambassador, i am so happy to have you with me this morning. we were last together in atlanta at the democratic debate last fall. it's great to be reunited on screen. you and the congressman have been longtime friends. he served on the council in atlanta, where i grew up, where you are from and have been most of your life. just tell us how you are feeling today as you see your friend being laid to rest. >> i tell you what, it's a celebration of one of the most remarkable young men i have ever met. i met john first when he was still a student in nashville. even then, while everybody else

was having fun and going on the fraternity/sorority probation weeks, i saw john with a small group moving in a completely different operation. i said, what are they doing? he said, they're going to the restaurants that agreed to desegregate, and they're going to test those restaurants to make sure they lived up to the agreement. john was not only somebody to start things and get it going, he followed up on it and made sure it was implemented. i think the symbols of changing the bridge is wonderful, but the substance of the voting rights act and the substance of the political power that should be generated by the blood and sacrifice of john lewis is what we ought to devote ourselves to. this is not going to be an easy election. it looks wonderful now.

but it depends on how we turn out the vote. that was what dr. king also was talking about in the night he went -- before he went to memphis. he was meeting with harry bellefonte and john conyers and he was saying, we have to take the energy of the movement and we have to move it into the political mainstream. because voting is symbolic. the vote is substantive. we lost that election after dr. king's death, but we lost by one vote. it changed the course of history. i don't want that to happen again.

everybody who is marching, everybody who says black lives matter, everybody who is understanding that we don't want the kind of country -- we don't want -- >> i think we are losing the ambassador's audio. we will try to get that back. joining me now is my friend, my neighbor, my longtime colleague, jonathan capeheart and opinion columnist for "the washington post." i'm happy you are here with me. i have to tell you, i've been watching a lot of documentaries on the late congressman john lewis. i recently watched the one by don porter and eric alexander. who made a cameo other than my friend? tell me how you are feeling on this day and about the last time you talked to the congressman. >> i'm feeling at once a bit of sadness, but also a sense of

hopefulness, because that's what john lewis was. he was a person who lived the life that thankfully you and i never got to live. a segregated america, an america where we were legally treated as second class citizens. because of what he did on that bridge 55 years ago and the more than 600 people who were marching behind him that day, because of what they did we get to do what we're doing now. i was last on the bridge with congressman lewis this past march, march 8th. as joy pointed out, there are two selma celebrations. he came -- i went to the faith and politics civil rights pilgrimage. congressman lewis made a surprise visit there, too. you know, the same thing happens every year. you make the slow procession up the bridge. people are singing songs. congressman lewis speaks.

this time was really poignant because even though no one said anything, people sort of felt and they knew that this might be the last time they would be on the bridge with that great man in that sacred spot. sadly, that turned out to be the case. he was a decent man. and i think what made him so powerful was even though we all put him up on a pedestal and he was living history, he was humble. he never let go of his activist tradition. he never lost sight of what it meant to push for equal justice, to push the country to be -- to live up to its ideals. the one thing that i want to point out -- i'm so glad ambassador young was on, because

he, too, is a living reminder that history isn't history. yesterday, at the services at brown chapel, one of the people who spoke was cheyenne webb. look her up on the internet. she was the youngest person on that bridge on march 7, 1965. i bring up her name and ambassador young's name to remind people that there are -- that there are people, famous and not famous, who were marching across that bridge and trying to march us into a better nation. >> let me -- i want to let our viewers know what we are seeing. we are seeing congressman john lewis' body making its way to the bridge carried by those two horses that you see there on this somber day. it looks -- i'm sorry, the body

is not there yet. that's the carriage that will carry the body of the late congressman across the bridge one more time. i want to bring in my big brother, one of the people i so adore, revereverend al sharpton. first of all, thank you for being with me. i'm so happy you are here on this day. i think you are in a unique position to talk about this. you were one of the first people -- john lewis was a torchbearer, but you were one of the people he passed the torch to. you carry out that work today. as you still carry that work on, what are you feeling today? >> i feel a sense of recommitment as i listen to some of the proceedings. i am reminded of a lot of the conversations i had with congressman lewis. congressman lewis was 11 years

younger than dr. king. so he and julien bond and jesse jackson, they were the young god of the king movement. i was 15 years younger than them. as you said, we saw ourselves as picking up the torch, carrying it on with them. as i watched that last time he was on that bridge -- you could see i was one of them that was hoisting him up. i grabbed joy reed and told her, we were leaving brown chapel, where they had the service, i said, come on up friend. she said, i'm not a civil rights leader. i said, you don't know the crowds like i do. i had a sense when we got to the top of the bridge and saw this car pull up and saw john lewis come out and he was feeble and we knew he was fieghting the pancreatic cancer, that this might be the last time. i was too young to have gone when i was -- when they did it in '65. i was part of the northern movement. i was not from the south.

we would go every year. i sensed this may have been the last time we see him on that bridge alive. it was. i will always remember that day of having hoisting him up with others on his last time alive on that bridge that they will by him across in a few minutes. then also to remember walking across that bridge standing right behind him and president obama. the other unnamed people. we don't talk about jose williams marching across the bridge, on dr. king's payroll, or miss bointon. the foot soldiers is who i'm thinking about. i'm thinking about, it is all symbolic if we don't force mitch mcconnell and them to deal with a voting rights bill now and to deal with the george floyd police justice bill now. that's one of the reasons we're having the march this year

august 28th in washington. we cannot let them reduce this to just renaming the bridge but a bridge to nowhere if we don't restore voting rights and if we don't deal with policing. that's what i think more than anything, i think john lewis would be saying to us now is let's not take symbolism over substance. let symbolism show us where substance must go. >> i love that. you heard that leader clyburn is introducing the john lewis act, which will -- we will see what happens in the house and certainly an uphill battle in the senate. before i go to my next guest, i want to ask you, a lot -- you and i have talked about this many times. you were kind enough to share your radio platform with me on the radio. let me say for our viewers, we are seeing the body carried out to the carriage that will carry the body across the bridge one

final time. quite a somber day. as my friend jonathan says, also a hopeful day as we continue this fight together. we will listen in for a second so we can hear. >> mark time. holt. side step. march. march.

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>> we are seeing congressman john lewis' body being loaded. it's a very short trip across the edmund pettus bridge. we will carry that live. i want to set the scene so our viewers know what we are seeing as he makes this trip across the edmund pettus bridge one last time.

>> i'm switching over now. >> joining me now is jalanni cobb, staff writer for "the new yorker." i'm happy that you could join me. what does this moment of john lewis' passing mean not just for the community as we deal with this racial reckoning but also

legislatively and this historic moment in time that we are creating? it's like we live a pre john lewis life and post john lewis life. share with me your thoughts. >> certainly. we can talk about this culturally for a moment before we talk about it legislatively. jonathan mentioned this is a sad moment but also a hopeful moment. i would amend to that a profoundly humbling moment, because if you think about what john lewis and those marchers experienced on that bridge in 1965 in march, you know, he had every reason to believe he would die on that bridge. if you read his memoir of walking with the wind and he describes that moment where he says, he didn't feel the pain of the first blow, just the thud of it against his head and his legs giving way and he curled up to

protect himself and a large officer proceeded to strike him more on his head and the room began to spin and the world began to spin around him. to think that this is someone who did not expect to survive that experience. but nonetheless, was able to come back to that bridge dozens of times and to now make his trip -- a final trip across that bridge, no longer with us, but with a legacy that will endure and having achieved what they set out to achieve in march of 1965, which bring legislative part of it. i'm glad to hear congressman clyburn has appended congressman lewis' name to the voting rights act. certainly, people associated that act with him for a long time before that specific designation is giving to the

voting rights act. but what we saw in the last week has been a great deal of audacity. people who have overseen the gutting of the civil -- the voting rights act, who nonetheless turned around to praise congressman lewis and the work he had done in his life. so i sincerely hope -- it will be a very difficult fight to get this through congress. but i sincerely hope that some shred of decency will attach itself to the people who have pushed against this and maybe give it the momentum to perhaps have those most vital parts of the vioting rights act which hae been vastly weakened by the supreme court decision in 2013. >> absolutely. >> perhaps it will be shored up agai again. >> i want to set the scene for our viewers as the procession makes its way. you can see the streets have

been lined with rose petals as the body makes that short trip across the edmund pettus bridge. i want to bring in brittany cunningham. you wrote a beautiful peace in "time" driving how congressman lewis left new activists like yourself marching orders. i found it interesting. you hear so many people say, if i were alive during the civil rights movement, i would -- fill in the blank. whatever you are doing right now is what you would have been doing during the civil rights movement. you are someone who used your time very productively during this moment. what are you feeling today? >> i'm feeling so many things. i'm certainly feeling a level of sadness, because we miss the people who have touched our lives and who have taken the time to move their ego out of the way in order to serve

something the bigger than themselves and in order to invest in the people who will continue their legacy. i am deeply grateful to have been one of the thousands of people that congressman lewis and reverend vivian and others have invested in continuously. i find myself as a person of faith like congressman lewis at a peace that may not be understood by the world. but our instruction manual of faith says to be absent from the body is to be present with the lord. you know that in black church traditions, our funerals are home going services. we are sad to be missing the person here in the present in the earthly. but we are glad they get to be at rest and that god opened those pearly gates 57 s and mos certainly said, well done. i am grateful for doing far more with far less so that future generations not only can

continue the work but, frankly, so we did not have to experience quite the same. that we didn't have to endure some of those same trials and tribulations because they took that on for us. congressman lewis took that on for us. i find a real sense of clarity in this moment. i find a real sense of clarity about ensuring that we do not allow his and other legacies to be whitewashed in this moment. that we know the people like to take black countercultural icons like john lewis and make them into teddy bears that comfort them in their sense of privilege and white supremacist culture. that's precisely not what john lewis stood for. yes, it's about changing the name of the bridge. yes, it's about passing that voting rights act. but it is also about making sure that we maintain the truth of the legacy of someone whose speech was so forceful that even the organizers had him change

it, who stood up in front of the lincoln memorial and talk about the violence of poverty, the violence -- the institution of pleasing, the violence that is enacted upon black people every single day in this country and who could tell all of us to be persistent because he was himself. i spent time with him at the white house in 2016. a couple of times. he said to me the same thing every time. trouble would come, but we have to be consistent and persistent. you can only believe someone's words when they are actually engaging in that persistence themselves. he proves what he was saying over and over and over again. we have to be brave and courageous enough not to just pay attention to the good part of what he told us, but that the word that followed often was trouble. there was trouble waiting for him on that bridge. there was trouble waiting for him in many of the decisions that we made. if we are not consistently getting in that good trouble, then we are not living up to his

legacy. we owe him far more than that. >> my sister, you are living up to his legacy. thank you so much for sharing your thoughts. i hope people will read that beautiful piece in "time" magazine. the procession is continuing as they cross the bridge. they are greeted by flowers. they are flanked with what looks like hundreds of people, perhaps even thousands of people on each side of the road as the procession makes its way across the edmund pettus bridge, perhaps soon to be renamed the john lewis bridge. i want to bring in someone now -- i can't imagine a better person. that's my friend latosha brown. as a daughter of alabama and continues to work in every single southern state to make sure that everyone has the right to vote. she's also working in two swing states as the founder of black voters matter. i have to ask you, as a daughter

of alabama watching congressman lewis be laid to rest, considering the work you do, what are your marching orders on this day and how are you feeling just emotionally right now? ♪ ain't nobody turn me around, turn me around, turn me around ♪ ♪ ain't going to let nobody turn me around ♪ ♪ i'm going to keep on walking, keep on talking, marching on to freedom land ♪ >> i'm sitting here on the bus at the foot of the bridge on the other side in selma, alabama, right now. i am doing everything to keep myself from crying. i am so honored to live in an era where this great giant lived. people talk about founders of

america. but the founders of democracy were those men and women who knew that black people and all the citizens of this country should have the right to vote. they put their lives on the line. congressman john lewis was one of those. to be a daughter of selma, to be here in this moment, to be at the foot of the bridge and awaiting the arrival of his last trip across the bridge, i'm overwhelmed with emotions right now. but i'm also hopeful. i was also on the bridge a couple of weeks ago in march when he came to selma and was -- it was like the moses parting the red sea. he walked up, and they put him on a stool in front. i was in front of him. he told us to keep going. here is a man who has paid his dues, who is battling pancreatic cancer. if he can do it without letting anything or anybody turn him around or to give up, then i

knew that i had to and the million others. i think the people -- i'm hoping the people that are watching this today recognize how significant we are at the -- there are 100 days before the election. if there's ever a time that we need to fight and stand for democracy and stand for the citizens of this country, it's now. what i'm feeling is i'm feeling -- i feel a sense of sadness, but i also feel a sense of hope. as i'm seeing thousands of people who are lined up, as i'm seeing selma lift up and celebrate and bear witness and to see him. he was an ambassador of love. more than a statesman, more than a civil rights leader, he was the embodiment of love. for john lewis, if we think about in the midst of where people wanted to kill you, in the midst of people not thinking

you had value, he still decided that he was going to love them. he still decided that he was going to love a country that did not treat us right, that continues not to treat african-americans right. but that he was going to stand on the principals. that's deep love. that's what i aspire to be, that i aspire to be able to believe that love is transformative. that's who john lewis was. i'm sitting here filled with love. i'm filled with gratefulness that i had the opportunity to meet him. year after year and literally be a student of his word and be a part of the movement to carry his word forward. >> every time you speak, you make me stop myself from crying. thank you so much for that. i want to set the scene for our audience. we are seeing the procession proceed. you can see folks are flanked on both sides of the street there. you see the rose petals in the

street. something interesting i find about this is that decades after squaring off with alabama straight troope state troopers, this time they will escort him across the bridge. i see suvs approaching. i think we are a few minutes away from that. i want to bring back reverend sharpton. you and i were talking earlier. congressman john lewis was non-violent. he was certainly a fighter. you and i have spoken about the different efforts to create equality. we often remind our listeners when we're on the radio together that it wasn't always peaceful. there are always people who disagree with how to get there. we know the destination is the thing we agree on. john lewis ran against his good friend for congress. they were great friends, but they had different approaches at that time. if you can, talk a little bit about the discord at that time among the movement and compare

it to what's happening today as we continue this fight for equality. >> well, i believe that people tried to distort history. there's always been different tactics and tactical disagreements. but everyone was always focused toward the same goal. like i was saying earlier, i grew up a youngster under john lewis and other of that generation. i was always told of the differences between us, but that we would always try to find a way to come together on common ground. yes, john lewis ran against bond. john lewis won. but they were able to reconcile. i came out of the northern part of the movement under dr. william jones, the martin luther king school. i say jesse jackson's class. i was too young to know dr. king. that was a different school than

john lewis or a different school than those that did inside baseball democratic politics. all of us were united around voting rights and other issues like police brutality, like economic empowerment, just as then, we have people younger than us that are coming forward taking the reigns, doing it their way. if your ego gets out of the way, you do what you do and do it to the best of your ability and hope that those that come behind do what they do to the best of their ability. that's what john lewis would say to me. al, you do it your way. make sure it's effective. remain non-violent, remain determined. keep your eye on the prize. i'm honored that he spent time important to me. i tried to do that with those behind me. we see his body headed to that

bridge, he goes as a rivictor. he won the battle. the battle in selma. they won that battle. we must make sure they don't turn the victory around by not having a civil rights act now. they are trying to take defeat out of the jaws of victory that john lewis won. it's not enough to commemorate him. we must continue him. >> i want to bring in congressman lewis' college roommate, the reverend dr. bernard lafayette. i'm pleased to have you with me on what must be a very difficult day. you have known congressman lewis the longest. you talk about how you were so close that your mom would send you two suits and you would give him one in college. some of us have nightmare

stories about roommates in college, but you got to room with congressman lewis. paint for us a picture of a young john lewis when you all first met. >> well, one advantage was that we were both from the south. we had the experience of growing up in a segregated situation. we had something in common. that's why we were able to relate to each other and talk about what happened even in our early childhood where we had experiences where we challenged the segregation system. in fact, i had sit-ins in tampa, florida, ebor city, when i was just 7 years old. i used to be mr. coffee and go one block over to the commercial

area, and i would be able to get -- take orders for coffee for the merchants who were actually opening up their shops. i would go back to the restaura restaurant, and i would order the coffee for the merchants. this was before i went to school every morning. okay? i leaned against a stool while i was waiting, and eventually i put my hip on the stool. then i just slid on the stool while the waiter was fixing the coffee. he stared at me through the mirror. we never said anything. from that day on, i sat on the stools. >> wow. >> i had an experience of sitting on the stools at a very

early age. john lewis had some challenges that he had in troy, alabama. near troy. so i had a great opportunity for us to share with each other. we really became very good friends. he tried to get me to go to these workshops. i didn't have time to go to workshops. i was always working, just like i was mr. coffee when i was a little boy. i would get up 5:30 in the morning to go get that coffee. i was a janitor of the second floor, i was assistant librarian and ended up being the librarian because the librarian had complicated troubles during her pregnancy. but anyway, john lewis said, listen, you need to come to these workshops. james austin junior was doing the workshops.

i just said, i don't have time for that. he said, this is what we talk about all the time. i said, okay, i will just go so i won't have to hear your mouth. i went, and i how could we challenge the system in such a way. so it was no coincidence for us. >> right. >> we were ready. we were on track with it. one thing i want to say, because we went across this bridge, and what was that all about? jimmy jackson had been shot and killed by state troopers, okay. over in perry county. that's why we were going from selma to montgomery. the protest of the governor because the state troopers were the ones who killed jackson and

they were also a the ones who helped to stop us from going, okay. so the city limits of selma was on the other side of the bridge. that's why the state troopers didn't stop us before we got on the bridge. >> wow. >> yeah. >> so it's important to understand the context and the history. >> yeah. >> of what life was all about. so it was about protesting a killing of a black man. who was trying to protect his mother on a night march over in perry county. why did they have the night march? because james orange was in jail and they were marching so the media would follow them to the jail and hopefully protect james orange. >> i'm so sorry to interrupt you. i want to let our viewers know we're seeing them head to the bridge right now. they will approach that bridge, as i understand it.

they will hold there for one moment. i don't know if u viewers can e see, but as the body travel there were people following the journey to the edmund pettus bridge. you just heard why they were marching. to protest the death of a black man. so it still creates this wrinkle in time as we transition john lewis' body. what does this mean to you as we see this happening, given the political landscape today, and just the cultural landscape, sadly, what do you make of this historic moment? >> i'm very glad dr. lafayette mentioned jackson, who was a civil right martyr that not many

people know about. wait aing with the remains of congressman lewis there. it's just a really, the fact is that each one of these rights that we exercise, any opportunity that we had to par tis pate in a democracy, every one of those rights has been drenched in the blood of those who have achieved them. you can scarcely turn without seeing another instance of it. >> they're holding for that moment. we're going to listen in to watch this moment play out in real time.

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i want to set the scene. behind the casket is john miles, the congressman's son, his brother, sam lewis, grant lewis and his sister, rosa. and michael collins was his chief of staff on capitol hill, but they were so much more. they were like family with each other during their time on capitol hill. still with me is brittney cunningham and the civil rights leader and activist, bernard lafayette jr. we have only a fewing seconds left, but reverend, i wanted to talk to you because a lot of people who are just learn iing about the movement don't know but this was not the only instance of violence that congressman p lewis faced. this is where he suffered a skull fracture, but you talk about you having cracked ribs and john lewis was