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good afternoon. we're honoring the champion for civil rights. protests sparked by the death of george floyd have not stopped. cities across america continue to see demonstrators met with strong police presence.
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protests have hit street for nearly two months. last night it included veterans and mothers who formed human barriers. protesters knocked over a fence at the courthouse and federal officers fired tear gas at the crowds. that's one example of the violence that's marred some of these demonstrations. police used flash grenades and pepper tray arresting dozens of proteste protesters. in austin, texas, man is dead after a shooting at a protest overnight. police say the man might have had a gun when he approached a vehicle. a person in that vehicle shot and killed him. officers have a suspect in custody. in aurora, colorado, a car drove through a crowd of protesters as they walked down an interstate. police say one protester responded by firing a gun. that shot injured another
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protester. let's check in on portland. protesters in other cities say they are inspired by where you are. how are portlanders reacting? >> reporter: people are proud of the culture. we don't typically see violence like over the past week or so because of the federal agents presence. when i asked protesters how they feel about that comment, they offered a word of warning to cities that are also similarly protesting. they said the cities and leaders need to support the non-violent protesters now and otherwise it only invites donald trump and his federal agent sbos into the city. over the past couple of days leading up to the 100 days until the election. i asked protesters what they are looking for in their leadership to prevent protests like this
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against federal agents going forward. take a listen to some protesters that i spoke to. >> compassion. humanity and someone that practices with integrity. integrity is hard to have. it's acknowledging mistake, consequences, maybing unpopular decisions that are for the best not because they are comfortable but because they are the right thing to do. that's what i'm looking for. >> this is portland. it's not about trump. it's about black lives. until black lives fully matter, the protests won't end because of the federal presence.
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they said the federal agents will remain in portland until protests are entirely peaceful. >> thank you. millions of americans face major gap in finances with key unemployment benefits running out. in washington, negotiations continue to figure out what comes next. mark meadows and steve mnuchin went back to capitol hill. this weekend senate republicans are crafting a negotiating position ahead of this week's talks with democrats. shannon, what are republicans pushing for in today's talks? >> reporter: a big sticking point for republicans has been the is up policemenal unemployment insurance of $600 week that they unemployed people have been getting for several
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months now. a lot of republicans say they felt disincentivized people from going back to work because they could make more staying home than going back to work. it looks like they have broken that and steve mnuchin said they are giving people unemployment that would total 70% of what their income would have been had they been employed. that's going to be difficult to calculate. it will be difficult for state unemployment agencies to manage but that's the plan they are talking about now. something that is off the table is this payroll tax cut which the president has been pushing for very strongly. republicans and a lot of democrats were very opposed to that. that seems to be off the table for now. we're at the stage of the republicans trying to get on the same page and it does sound like the white house and the republicans have an agreement. they are expected ed ted to in release some draft legislation on monday but democrats haven't begun to weigh in.
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they are very far apart from where the republicans and the senate are. the house democrats have passed a $3 trillion proposal. the republicans senate bill is about a trillion. you have about $2 trillion worth of differences that need to be resoevered here. you mentioned, there's a deadline coming up. these added $600 a week unemployment benefits run out at the end of month. that money has been helping prop up the consumer economy. help keeping consumer spending going. what happens when that expires. there's been talk about a short term deal that could be reached but there's a lot that needs to happen in congress over the next couple of weeks and the coming days. we have seen a lot of times where it doesn't look like something will come together and it does at the last minute and sometimes it doesn't especially in an election year, it will a few tense weeks on congress. >> we hope it comes together for the sake of the people who need the benefits. thank you, shannon. in alabama, it's the second day of tributes to the late
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congressman and civil rights icon john lewis. this morning's events in selma could not have been a starker contrast to the protests 55 years ago that nearly killed him. back then his bloodstained the edmund pettus bridge during a march for voting rights. today that bridge was adorned with roses and stained only with tears from the crowd that came to honor him. then, an all white hoard of alabama state troopers blo-- ho state troopers blocked his way. what's the latest from there? >> reporter: joshua, you described the events of this morning perfectly. i don't know that the pictures do it justice in terms of the mood that was felt here on the ground.
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as soon as the casket turned the corner, folks began singing songs. one of them "i woke up this morning with my mind stayed on freedom." the apex of the bridge, stopping for that moemment of reflix for all the things you mentioned how things look today than in 1965 when john lewis was leading that group of more than 600 people across this bridge and when those alabama state troopers beat him and he suffered a fractured skull as a result of bloody sunday and to see the outpouring of love from people here but also the troopers who helped to secure his path today.
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he's right now lying in state and folks are able to walk by and pay their respects at the state capitol for him. this is really the conclusion of these two days of services here in alabama before he heads on to this next leg of his journey in washington, d.c. tomorrow. joshua. >> there's six days of memorial services planned. what else is coming up this week? >> reporter: a busy couple of days in washington, d.c. he's going -- it will be a procession there as his casket makes its way to the capitol and we expect more than 150 lawmakers to be in attendance for a celebration, a commemoration there in the rotunda of the u.s. capitol before his casket is laid on the top steps and that will be open to the public to go and view his casket and pay their respects. after that, on wednesday, representative lewis will return to atlanta. the congressional district he
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represented in d.c. and he will lie in state in the capitol in georgia before the final home going celebration is held on thursday and he's ultimately laid to rest. >> if you had a dry eye watching what happened today in selma, i don't know what to tell you. arizona is a battleground state to watch this november. how are democrats strateging to win it. armed agents in america's cities. it may be less about securing the cities than secure votes, but will it work? votes, but will it work ♪ ♪ perfect. -you're welcome. i love it. how'd you do all this?
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winning battleground states this year. donald trump won arizona in 2016 by 3.5 points. a new poll shows joe biden with a five-point lead. back in march, biden led by just one point. in arizona senate race, democrat mark kelly has a double digit lead over the incumbent martha mcsally. steve patterson is on the ground in phoenix with more. joe biden has the advantage with latino voters, 61% for him versus 31% for the president. with voters under 45, 57 to 36. women, 57 to 38. independents, 55 to 38 and whites with college degrees, 51 to 44 percent. what does this tell us, steve? >> reporter: i think before you can dial into the numbers, it tells you about the electorate itself. i think a lot of people think of arizona as this generational
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gold water republican layup for the gop. it's sense long since stopped being that. there's been an influx of latin x immigrants that have come to the state of arizona. there's been an influx of millennial young people from more left leaning states like california that have come to the state of arizona. arizona is a very centrist, especially when you look at the core of voters. i think when you move away from the center, things get a little bit murky. the gaps were nowhere near as big. since then, one thing that's happened is the massive spike in the number of covid cases. the coronavirus is top of mind here. 49% of the people who live in this state, who are polled in that poll think that the state is not doing a good job in its
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response to coronavirus. the latin x community is getting sicker at rate far greater than anybody many the state. they are looking for leadership and not seeing it in the trump presidency. >> does it seem like the president can win arizona with the base he has. our poll says he's still ahead of men, 45 and older, white men and whites without college degrees. >> reporter: no two ways about it. fp you look at the enthusiasm gap, trump is far ahead of biden. the people that like trump in this state really like him. the problem is, one republican strategist said if you want to win arizona you're either running center left, center
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right or right in the center. there's a huge core of independent voters, in maricopa county and white suburban voters, white suburban college educated voters, white suburban college educated women have been moving away from the party in recent years. the party really needs to shore up those voters and focus attention there if they have any hope of winning. right now, it's not looking good in these core areas where you find large clust heers of voter. >> thank you. there's also the president's handling of black lives matter protests across the country. mr. trump dlaclaims he deployed federal officers in hopes of helping cities restore order. that's not happened. if anything, the streets are less orderly with confrontations between protesters and police. the washington post editorial board argues ha the president is trying to scare his white supporters. the idea, as they put it, is to
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distract from problems with handling the pandemic by warning them of anarchy in diverse cities run by democrats. a recent fox poll shows president trump trailing joe biden in the sbuburb by double digits. in 2016, donald trump beat hillary clinton among suburban voters by four points. joining us now is npr curt. what do you make of this whole winning the suburbs strategy? are there signs based on your reporting that the strategy is resonating? >> i read it with a bit of skepticism because anybody who has been to the suburbs, even in 2016, knows they are not some monolithic thing.
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it's question it's will the of white suburban women. the suburbs in the west city where is i do a fair amount of reporting in are very diverse. denver comes to mind, las vegas and some of the smaller cities where i'm based in one of the most conservative states in the nation, boise, idaho, the suburbs there are getting more diverse. it does seem like aen interesting strategy and could be seen a little bit dated. we can see where it works. >> what do we mean when we p say the suburbs? i feel like this is, the place that white people ran when black people started to populate cities which has some reality to it, but as you said, there were the suburbs then and the suburbs now. when we talk about suburban voters, what do we mean? >> now, i think we're talking about in the west, i see a lot of latino families in the sfwussfwus suburbs. a lot of working class people.
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they are more affordable than the inner cities and in the city that i'm talking to you from which is where i'm covering the protests in portland. this city is hugely expensive and people have been pushed out to the suburbs for one form or another, some people looking for a quieter life. >> there was a scholar named joe lounge who is an expert on right wing politics. the new york times interviewed him and he says that these protests reflect this
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interlocking set of interests between racial justice advocates and this largely white antifascist movement. both are distrustful of the police. both want police powers and police budgets curtailed. how do you see this overlap as it just affects the complexion, literally of these protests. >> portland is the whitest major city in the country. when you're out in the protests, you see that. a lot of the protesters are overwhelmingly white. there's a faction that occurs really early in the morning that's out there still fighting the police. this is a city that has been known to have quite a bit of anarchists. the issue of race playing into it. when i talk to protesters they are aware of that. they are mostly younger people. i don't want the paint with such
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broad brush. they are out there and they know they have white privilege and they know their in a city that is overwhelmingly white and in a state that has a hugely fraught history with racism. remember this is oregon where up until the '30s, there were antiblack laws on the books. that doesn't go away overnight. you see a few groups clashing with antifa forces that were kind of seen coming to a head now as this protest movement that started after the killing of george floyd has sort of moved and there's lot of debate now. it shifts into this more anti-trump, anti-federal policing overreach and some of the black leaders are concerned the original intent is getting drowned out now. it's bit of a spectacle, to be
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honest. >> i appreciate your time. thanks very much. coming up next, new dales of the biden campaign's 100-day strategy. that includes when we can finally stop trying to guess who his v.p. will be. also, we mention president trump's law and order strategy in portland. which city could be next? we'll check in on chicago, just ahead. stay close. n chicago, just ahead. stay close never run dry of... killer attitude. or hydration.
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vrjs the bietdden campaign is ramping up strategic plans and will soon tell us who his v.p. will be. do they enjoy keeping all of washington in suspense playing their absolute favorite parlor game? >> reporter: absolutely. this whole vice presidential
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veep stakes is a number of ends. they used it for an organizing tool. to try to get spoupporters to sn up. the biden campaign has used the month of july to lay out their economic plan. we have seen the former vice president outlining a different part. we expect one more piece to be unveiled later this week. biden will be hunkering down with his team virtually or in person about a ten-minute drive in his hometown focused on making that final decision. we expect as biden told joey red he will spend time to meet with the individuals. i know how much those personal relationships are so important. then there's the question as well of whether he will choose an african-american woman. he's already promised to choose a woman as his vice president. i heard some interest things on that front biden allies and black activists they believe the fact that biden has steadfastly
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refused to make that additional commitment is a positive thing. if he were to say i choose a black woman, that risks that woman being seen as not necessarily the best, most qualified candidate to assume the presidency but somebody who is only the best qualified african-american woman. biden has been clear he's going to choose something who he believes can fully be ready to step in and be president on day one and by maintaining a bit of ambiguity here, he's make-a-wine that voice choice is viewed. >> there was a poll that showed joe biden ahead of donald trump. if you add up the enthusiasm numbers between enthusiastic and i like him, the some of each between him and donald trump was identical. what's the kpacam campaign doin
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terms of enthusiasenthusiasm? >> reporter: there's no question that if you talk to democrat, we saw this in the premarimaries. democrats are motivated to evict donald trump from the white house. that's what the biden campaign needs to do and why they spent so much time this summer focusing on trying to unite the party fully behind him. biden is making a choice on someone that can help him govern. i talked to his pollster and he points out when trump's numbers are so low, by definition his vote lers be enthusiastic because that's the small core that's remained committed despite all the other evidence to the reasons to be against him at this point.
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they try to down play that number and we have seen trump tweeting about it that he believes his base is behind him. >> thank you, mike. chicago gets a will the of flak for the violence in its street. a stereotype for the problems that no city wants. now it has another city whose problems it's trying to avied. portland, oregon. no one in chicago wants to replicate these scenes of protesters being detained or thrown into unmarked vehicles or federal officers using pepper spray on demonstrators. this week president trump announced he will send federal officers to cities around the u.s., including chicago. it's mayor says they are not welcome. >> i've drawn a very hard line. we will not allow federal troops in our city. we will not tolerate unnamed agents taking people off the street, violating their rights and holding them in custody. that's not happening here in
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chicago. >> let's discuss it with frank main. a staff reporter for the chicago sun times. with regards to what mayor said there, she was very adamant they are not coming to chicago. what is she prepared to do? if federal officers, agents troops, whatever we're calling them start to make their way down the lake shore, if they are coming up north michigan avenue, what is she going to do, raise the bridge? >> she's only relying on promises from the federal government and the u.s. attorney in chicago right now that's not what is going to happen. what is currently proposed is the alphabet soup agencies, dea, fbi and atf would be coming to chicago and they are not going to be engaging with protesters. they will be doing violence reduction, getting guns off the street. that kind of thing. it was a whole week of going back and forth between the mayor and the trump administration to make sure they weren't going to
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get that kind of package that they are seeing in portland right now. it's exacerbating all these problems in that city and others in the country. >> i have covers crime in south florida, san francisco, oakland, washington, d.c. and cities all over the country and one of the things that occurs many me when i cover crime is that the reasons for crime are exactly the same in every city. the players are different, the precise populations are different but there's nothing unique between crime in chicago and charlotte and st. louis and where ever else except the exact players. does chicago get a bad rap for crime in that city? are there unique attributes to violent crime in chicago that are worth calling out or is the city just our convenient
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scapegoat? >> somewhere in the middle. new york is having a huge surge in violence. chicago, other big cities in the united states are. in that respect, no. chicago's not unique. it's different than in new york and ten years, probably 15 years later in los angeles things have changed there as well. we have a large gang problem in chicago. we just had a gang funeral shot up last week that made lots of news. the gangs are the real situation in chicago that need to be dealt with. >> that is something the feds
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could help with? >> yeah. chicago doesn't want to see what's going on in portland. it's like groundhog day. this happened in 2017. donald trump said he will send in the troops. rahm emmanuel doesn't want that at all. atf sent 20 atf agents into chicago. they kind of analyzed things and they did get more guns off the street. that happens. >> frank, we appreciate your making time. thanks very much. still to come, the drama between the u.s. and china goes way deeper than banning huiwei or deleting tiktok. what's coming this week and how might it affect you? week and h might it affect you? resistible . looks like their dog michelangelo did too. gain ultra flings with two times oxi-boost and febreze. >> techand your car., we're committed to taking care of you >> tech: we'll fix it right with no-contact service
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china has done much more to anger to u.s. than creating new tech to spy on us. the u.s. has done more for china than to blame it for covid-19. these two nations are the very definition of frenemies. in the last week, the friend part has been wearing thin. the trump administration ordered china's consulate in houston to close. china burned documents before levering the building. it closed the american consulate. people could see the moving trucks today. on friday, the fbi arrested a chinese researcher for lying to investigators about her chinese military service. she had been hiding a t the chinese consulate in san francisco. china and the u.s. are in an increasingly tense relationship with hawkish voices on both
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sides. there's a lot about this dynamic you should pay attention to. and not just because your kids won't stop using tiktok. i'm really glad to have you both on today. i think this is something we should be paying attention to. i wonder how concern you think we should be about the property theft and espionage. >> i think it's more to it than election year bluster. if you'll recall, it wasn't terribly long ago when donald trump was running for president the first time that china was kind of his main boogey man. it was mostly a trade issue at
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that point. it's expanded a great deal and in the intervening period we had this rather strange bromance. you're showing some pictures of the president and president xi. someone who president trump repeatedly said he admired a great deal. felt was a strong leader. that's one of president trump's highest accolades is to call someone strong or a strong leader. someone trump envied a bit as xi could get things done as totalitarian leaders seem to be able to do. there's no shortage of people within the trump administration who felt that way all along
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including white house advisers. white house adviser peter navaroo. >> i was about to ask what mike pompeo said. he said the u.s. should empower the chinese people which almost sound like a call for revolution especially with president xi having gotten the chinese communist party rules change so he can run for president over and over. if there was a president for life, he's it. is this just saber rattling or do you think the u.s. is prepared to start handing out sabres? >> it's great question. first, to pick up where ann left off, china is doing a will the of bad stuff. they are trampling on democracy.
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al some predatory trade practices against our company. pence and pom ppeo can these toh words and actions are hitting back. we should hit back. the problem i have is i'm not really sure what the strategy is. i understand what the tactic is. it's to punish and sanction but i'm not sure of the intended solution. your neighbor throws garbage in your yard and we throw garbage back into their yard and then what. rewe going to get into a cold war with china. yop what the strategy is. >> we have sto many things to be worried about as americans right now. where do you think china should be on that list in. >> it should be pretty high and for couple of reasons. it's the world's rising power. it deintends to compete against
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the united states and russia and the eu collectively in just about every sphere. it's not able to fully do that now. that's the ambition. it isn't so much the united states should be terrified that china will attack us tomorrow or do something really devastating in the economic sphere tomorrow because our economies are too closely linked and china is not militarily able to do something right now that couldn't be catastrophic to itself bauds of the retaliation it would bring. it's something that bears watching. we should not be under any illusion that china is our friend. they are a competitor and one that the next president, whoever that is, is going to have to deal with both diplomatically but economically and in the military sphere in so far as we will no doubt continue to arm
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taiwan. >> victor, before we go, for people just in this country who are starting to pay more attention to china, what's the one thing you think they should be paying attention to most in the u.s. china relationship if there's one aspect of it that may affect the average person most deeply. >> well, probably one big part is the trade war. the united states and china are the two largest economies in the world. we're our biggest trading partners. we hold over $1 trillion of our treasuries. their middle class is larger than our entire population. their consumption drives a will the of our growth. if this trade war becomes a decoupling die gne ining dynami have a definite impact on the average american and the goods they buy at the walmart or the k mart. >> victor and ann, appreciate your both being with us.
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being unemployed that it would reimburse you up to 70% of those wages. hopefully as a way to get people back on their feet. >> that was white house chief of staff mark meadows laying out the administration's plan to help millions of americans who are about to lose a key unemployment benefit. the federal government continues to debate how to extend relief to folks who lost their jobs in the pandemic. one city may have a model that's worth a closer look. stockton, california, has experimented with a universal basic income program since february 2019. then, coronavirus struck. what was 1st seen as a test balloon became a lifeline for people in need. stockton has extended its program to two years. could it be the blueprint the federal government needs to pass the next covid relief bill? joining us now is the mayor of stockton, michael tubbs. the subject of the new hbo documentary "stockton on my mind."
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also with us, raymond aguilar. he's also featured in the documentary. good to have you guys with us today. mayor tubbs, explain the program in stockton. if i am a stockton resident, what do i get from the program? >> the program is a pilot so it's not yet at scale, so representative sample of stockton residents since last year, have been given $500 a month. what we found is that people are spending the money particularly in times like covid-19 on necessities. on food, on bills, on paying off debt, on helping family members and loved ones. >> what made you decide to consider a ubi program? was there something that sealed the decision for you, mayor? >> before covid-19, we knew that 1 in 2 americans were one $500 emergency away from financial ruin. stockton, like many cities in this country, has a lot of issues, but a lot of those issues stem from poverty. an someone who grew up with a single mother and realized my
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constituents are incredibly hard working but the economy isn't working for them, it was important to force the question in terms of what type of community we want to livan. i assure you, we want to live in a community where we can afford the basic necessities. >> how that the program affected you and the people around you? >> a lot of our folks are low income, struggling, especially due to the covid-19 unfortunate situation. it helps a lot of families. we have families also trying to contribute with giving food to those that are struggling. a lot of elders, a lot of folks who lost their jobs. ubi definitely helps a lot of low-income families by putting extra money in their pocket and helping them pay for bills. a great help. >> raymond, stockton is in a part of california that the whole country depends on. it may not realize it, but that part of california and the rest of the central valley is where a lot of our produce comes from, all year round. talk about the way that people
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who live in and around the central valley get by if they don't have the benefit of something like the ubi. >> well, there's really not much. that's why a lot of praise goes to our prayer that he's able to give us this assistance and aid. without that, a lot of folks are left to their own demise, and that's unfortunate but the reality is that people out in stockton have to hustle and they have to go to the underground economy. we are struggling with this financial situation. and it's never easy. a lot of black and brown folks and poor white folks are struggling, and the thing is that we're blessed to have this. again, if we don't have this, we're going to go back to what we know best. and that is in the streets of stockton is hustling and surviving and asking family members, asking nonprofits, we're a nonprofit organization that helps families that need assistance when it comes to situations like this. again, it's a blessing, and without it, a lot of families
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will go without. >> mayor tubbs, today mark staff, remarked about some of his concerns when it comes to giving unemployed americans extra money in their pocket. listen. >> original unemployment benefits actually paid people to stay home and actually a lot of people got more money staying at home than they would going back to work, so the president has been very clear, our republican senators have been very clear, we're not going to extend that provision. >> before i let you go, mayor, what's your reaction to that? >> well, i think that he's speaking to a problem that's real. wages don't pay enough. it's completely unacceptable. that unemployment insurance pays more than wages, but the issue isn't with the folks that are working. the issue is with the economic structure and system that depresses wages and makes it so it's more financially beneficial for folks to stay home than to work. i would also say particularly in the time of a health pandemic,
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where our essential workers are most likely to be people of color, as a moral country and a just country, we have to put lives without livelihoods. livelihood doesn't exist without lives and we have to prioritize the lives of our people. that's why a guaranteed income makes a lot of sense as a 2020 response to a once in a century pandemic. >> michael tubbs and raymond aguilar with fathers and families of san joaquin, thank you for being here. thank you for making the time, and thank you also for making time for us. i'm see you back here at 9:00 p.m. eastern. up next, dick durbin and bill deblauzio join the receive rnd al sharpton. we're always here to help with fast response and great service and it doesn't stop there we're also here to help look ahead that's why we're helping members catch up by spreading any missed usaa insurance payments over the next twelve months
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