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spent the last four years burning democratic norms to the ground. good evening, i'm joy reid, and welcome to "the reidout." john lewis died after a life spent fighti ining and literall bleeding for the right of people who look like me to vote and for the right of every american to live free of violence. and then there's donald trump who this weekend openly teased that he might not accept the results of a democratic election. >> looks like -- >> can you give a direct answer, you will accept the election? >> i have to see. look, vvy to see. no, i'm not going to just say yes. i didn't last time, either. >> the context for that, of course, is trump spent the last four years aspiring to something other than democracy. he got elected with the help of a foreign adversary after asking russia to help find dirt on his opponent. and then he got impeached for trying to do it again with ukraine. regarding former vice president joe biden. he's tried to ban muslims and refugees from this country. separated migrant children from

their parents. stoked racism, division, and hatred, while coddling neo nazis and the far right. and now he has sent federal troops into american cities to suppress protests for racial justice and police reform. he and his attorney general have meddled in the american justice system, commuting the prison sentence of his friend and of war criminals while musing that his political enemies should rot in prison. and, perhaps, most shocking of all, he has failed spectacularly to lead as the country faces a raging pandemic with more than 130,000 dead. instead, he denies basic science and continues to peddle the fantasy that it will all just go away on its own. and now even some republicans who from day one made their bargain to follow donald trump to the gates of hell have concluded that they must work around him. an adviser to the republican governor of texas told "the new york times" the president got bored with the pandemic so now

they're turning to the vice president instead. and all of that has played out with just one 105 days until the next election. in a few moments i'll talk with the woman who beat donald trump by 3 million votes in 2016 only to be denied the presidency by the electoral college, hillary clinton, but my first guest is the man who will face donald trump in november, former vice president joe biden. former vice president biden, thanks so much for being here tonight. >> thank you, and congratulations. >> thank you. >> congratulations. it's a big day. >> thank you so much, sir. >> thanks for having me on. >> i really appreciate it. we're very glad to have you on. i have so many questions for you, you know, the first one i have to ask you, you came into office with president obama at the heels of a massive recession. on the heels of a very unpopular war that ripped this country apart and separated us from some f o o of our allies. that was a tough entrance for the barack obama and joe biden administration. if you are elected, sir, you

will face what i would argue is even a worse situation. we have right now paramilitary, federal troops on the streets of american cities, have people crying out for police reform, and we have this pandemic that is catastrophic. so many people have died. you talked a lot about it and about the tragedies. i want to let you listen to donald trump this weekend talking about that very pandemic. and talking about other countries' response to it and let you respond. >> no country has ever done what we've done in terms of testing. we are the envy of the world. you look at other countries, they don't even do tests. i said, it's going to disappear. i'll say it again. it's going to disappear. >> does that -- >> i'll be right. i don't think so. >> how do you respond to that? >> i think he's right, no country's ever done what we've done, walk away. there's no leadership here. he actually hassurrendered.

y he talked about, remember early on, this is going away in a few days, it will be gone tomorrow. wake up and it will be gone, talked about how we were going to be in a position where we were going to be able to lead the world, et cetera, he was going to be a wartime president, fighting his vir ining this vir. well, he raised the white flag. he has no idea what to do. zero. only one thing he has in mind, how does he win re-election? and it doesn't matter how many people get covid and/or die from covid because he fears that if the economy is strapped as badly as it is today, that, in fact, he's going to be in trouble. that's what this is all about. i've never seen a president who has been so self-serving in the conduct of the office. >> and, you know, one of the ways think he believes he's going to get re-elected is going back to the playbook he used before to try to go after obamacare, the affordable care act, passed, of course, during the administration with yourself and president obama and go after immigrants again. i want to let you listen to what

he thinks the supreme court decisions recently have given him the license to do on those two issues. >> we're signing a health care plan within two weeks. a full and complete health care plan that the supreme court decision on daca gave me the right to do. so we're going to solve, we're going to sign an immigration plan, a health care plan, and various other plans. >> what do you make of a president of the united states who's threatening, again, to take health care away from 20 million, 30 million, people, as his campaign strategy and, again, going back to the idea of kicking out immigrants? >> look, this guy has no sense of empathy or concern for people. people are dying. dying. families are bereft. people are so worried about being able to see their grandmoms and grandpops for fear that they may get the covid. i mean, this is -- i don't understand it. he has absolutely zero sense of

empathy. have you ever heard a word, him talking about how badly he feels about the losses? about the emptiness? those folks have lost somebody. feel like they've been dragged into a dark, deep, hole in the middle of their chest. they don't know what to do. they're scared to death. what's the president do? he talks about taking away health insurance, completely. and he says he's going to replace it with what? been talking about that forever. zero. it is absolutely -- i don't -- i quite frankly don't get it. i don't think how -- i don't understand how he thinks it appeals to the american people. overwhelming, the american people want us to keep obamacare and improve on it. not get rid of it in the middle of a pandemic, with hundreds of thousands of people ill and dying and he wants to take away health insurance, my lord. >> well, you know, if you become president, if you're inaugurated on january 20th of next year, it will be then your problem to deal with this pandemic which, you know, we have to assume will

still be raging because not enough is being done to try to beat it back. walk us through what you would do differently and assuming it actually, by then, will be worse. >> well, first of all, you may recall, joy, i all the way back in january warned of this pandemic was coming. i talked about what we needed to do. i talked early on about the defense act that allows him to go and say to a company, manufacture the followi ining ts and so on. so i just -- i mean, he has made every, every serious mistake and he has -- he has absolutely bludgeoned people who disagree with him and republican governors and the like. so, number one, i don't know how bad it's going to be. it's going to just be worse because he's doing nothing to deal with what he said was going to go away. it's going to get worse. i speak with docs every -- teletime tel teletimes a week, sometimes four times a week for an hour and 15 minutes. they predict, among them, that there are gong to be over

200,000 dead by the time we get to election day. they predict that this is just going to get worse and worse. so i'm already faced with the circumstance if i'm fortunate enough to be elected president where we're going to have to take significant action to do a number of things. one, you need more testing. you need to basketball e able t trace. be in a position where you're able to insist that everyone wear masks, everyone socially distance, that businesses do not open if they cannot do that. we need to make sure that people are in a position where they can, in fact, maintain their businesses through the stimulus that's been out -- that the congress has put out. we need to keep people on their feet. we need to make sure health insurance -- we have health insurance as well as making sure no one has to pay for contacting covid and/or being treated for covid. there's a whole range of things we have and must do and can do. in addition, i would suggest right now, i urge the president to do this, right now, there may be a vaccine, god willing, after

the first of the year. we should have a command officer now. we should be spending $25 billion to put together exactly how that will be distributed to over 300 million americans. how will we do that? where will it go? how will we get it done well? it needs planning. planning. and without any planning between now and election day, now and a time we're sworn in, it's going to make ait incredibly more difficult to get anything done and that's why we're going to need a major public health corps provision, whole range of things i won't bore you with now, but it's going to be very, very, very digit. >> the current president is planning to go back to do daily briefings, you'll recall these are the briefings at which he suggested drinking bleaches of certain types in order to cure covid. is this something you've thought about, curing that, by doing briefings of your own? >> i have and i've done a number of them, as you recall, joy, when he was doing it, but there still is this overwhelming preoccupation with the presid t

president, and he's the president so i get that part, but the idea that we cover everything he says even when i never thought i'd see a time when senior and mayor repojor r, someone like you, watching the president, as he speaks -- i don't mean anybody who's progressive, i mean across the board, saying like chris wallace, that's not true, mr. president, that's not what happened, mr. president. there seems to be such a fascination with covering everything he says and, by the way, the words of a president matter. no matter how incompetent the president s the words of a president can raise -- make the market rise or fall, they can make -- they can take us to war, they can bring peace, that i can do a lot. as president of the united states the first thing i'm going to do is stand up and talk sense and be honest with the american people, level with them, tell them exactly what i know, take responsibility for what's happening. it's going to take an awful lot, joy. i don't know what i'm going to be left with assuming i'm

elected president. >> in order to do all that, you first have to get elected. >> that's right. >> one barrier is foreign interference. you issued a statement saying you're aware foreign interference is already happening and say if elected president, i'll treat foreign interference in our election as an adversarial act that significantly affects the relationship between the united states and the interfering nations' government. i have no desire to escalate tensions with russia or any other country, but if any other foreign power recklessly chooses to interfere in our democracy, i won't hesitate to respond. "donald truru ." donald trump has not responded. are you prepared to fight an election with russia and china potentially involved and what can you do about it? >> well, the only thing we can do about it is be prepared. we have a group of lawyers going out to every voter registration position in the states. secretaries of state making sure they have a game plan as to how they're going to allow the voting to take place.

we're continuing to push what nn nancy pelosi and the democrats in the house did, passed money to allow for voting in place, to have have not only voting by mail but also voting in place by providing the necessary equipment for social distancing, sanitation. we have 10,000 people have volunteered. we're going to try to get them plugged in as poll workers, not for us, but running the mechanisms in the states that they work for the state operations because last time -- i don't want this excuse that the reason why we closed down, i'm making a number up, there are 30 polling places in a precodominantly minority neighborhood, now there's only five because there are not enough poll workers. doing everything we can to headache sure we're making contact with every governor and every person in charge of the electoral process in their states. i can't do anything about what is going on in russia except respond and putin knows i mean what i say. this is a violation of our

sovereignty. our sovereignty. and if, in fact, it occurs, there will be response in kind. it will not go unstated, unnoticed, or unreported. >> i want to show you a graphic, this is the german publication, "der spiegel," their most recent cover. you can see there trump, you know, the fire devil, a president sets this country on fire. the iron issues going on in th country regarding police violence, the violence that's going on currently by police against protesters and, you know, to say nothing of the federal troops in unmarked gear dragging people into cars, people not even knowing who they are. you have a complicated relationship with the whole issue of criminal justice reform, but if you are then -- if you are president in january, this will then be on your plate. walk us through what a bill that comes from a biden administration looks like in

terms of reforming policing. >> a bill reflects what barack and i started in our administration. there'd be a national rule set. for example, there'd be a national requirement that there are no choke holds, a national requirement that we are able to track and trace what, in fact, happens in police departments. it's made public. making sure that there is a national provision that says that there has to be transparency in reporting those cases that occur. and, in fact, the vast majority of police are decent and honorable but the majority -- but the minority is real trouble. and they're causing great difficulty for police and they're also causing great difficulty for jurisdictions that, in fact, are still trying to have to maintain law and order. every single community, black community, hispanic community, asian-pacific community, muslim community, they're looking to be safe. they do not want things to be reckless, but we have to have a circumstance where there are

responsible police officers that are in charge with basic fundamental rules, that, in fact, are stronger than the ones that are being debated in the united states congress right now and being -- but in the house, provisions that are there. and i'm going to work with the -- i've already been working with leaders of the caucus in the house to provide for the minimum standards that are required for every police department and reporting from body cameras to be able to have complete access to whatever occurs in that operation. making sure, for example, that the prosecutors are not the prosecutors that, in fact, work with the police department but another prosecutor department. so there's no nexus between i represent him most of the time or her most of the time but from a different agency, a different jurisdicti jurisdiction. there's a lot of things we can do that in no way, no way, will damage the police in terms of their efficacy or fairness but they're required. >> let me very quickly, we're

running out of time with you, but i want to get one more question in. most african-americans that i've talked to on a daily basis are very concerned that, you know, black women, in particular, have been the heartbeat of the democratic party for a long time. really shored you up in places like south carolina. are you committed to naming a black woman as your vice presidential running mate? >> i am not committed to naming any but the people i've named and among them there are four black women. so that decision is under way right now. and by the way, black women supported me my entire career. you all act like all of a sudden there's an epiphany in south carolina. i have had over a 96% -- 94% rating in the state with the eighth largest black community in the united states of america, delaware, and so they're the ones, as the old saying goes, that brought me to the dance. i have been loyal. they have been loyal to me. and so it is important that my administration, i promise you,

will look like america. both as -- from vice president to supreme court, to cabinet positions, to every major position in the white house. it's going to look like america. it's critically important that be the case. i can guarantee you that. >> have you narrowed down your choices? >> well, i tell you what's happening. we're getting the detailed analysis that is done. i've been through one of these vets, as they say. it takes about six weeks. you go into everything, like having a public physical examination. and that has just been finished. i'm ahaving a two-hour vetting report from the lawyers and women and men of color as well as white folks who are doing the vetting. and we've gone through about four candidates so far in the two-hour vetting then when i get all the vetting done of all the candidates then i'm going to

narrow the list and then we'll see -- then i'm going to have personal discussions with each of the candidates who are left. >> all right. well -- >> and make a decision. >> former vice president joe biden, we are out of time. i have more questions, though. will you come back? >> i'd be happy to come back. by the way, we were thinking of you as vice president but then you took this job. so, you know, what can we do? >> well, i appreciate -- >> anyway, thank you. i wish you the best of luck. >> thank you. >> i'm really -- i'm proud of you doing this. >> thank you. >> presumptuous thing to say, but it really is beyond time. >> thank you. thank you very much, mr. vice president. really appreciate it. good luck with the campaign. up next on "the reidout," she warned us. >> he loses his cool at the slightest provocation. when he's gotten a tough question from a reporter, when he's challenged in a debate, when he sees a protester at a rally. imagine, if you dare, imagine,

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donald trump is so dangerous. his campaign is as divisive as any we have seen in our lifetimes. it is built on stoking mistrust and pitting american against american. it's there in everything he says and everything he promises to do as president. >> joining me now is the woman who tried to warn us, former c secretary of state hillary clinton. and secretary clinton, i cannot man what it is like for you to

have been watching this four years of what has been going on. i want to start with something that former vice president joe biden said. he acknowledged in briefings he's received that russia is at it again, maybe china as well. having been through this, he went through it as well in the administration, but you were the victim of it. what would you advise the biden campaign to do? >> well, i'm glad that vice president biden and his campaign are speaking out about what we know is going on and what they are learning from intelligence brie briefings. it's very clear russia succeeded. able to influence the minds and even the votes of americans. so why would they stop? they really want to pursue their agenda of dividing us, undermining trust within our country, electing, helping to elect someone, who is favorable to their agenda.

and if you're china, which is, you know, an easy jump to make, and you're looking at the chaos that the trump administration has created in the world, while you're trying to assert yourself more, while you're cracking down internally on dissent, on the uighurs, setting up a surveillance nation, trying to dominate the south china sea, engaged in border skirmishes with india and all this other activity that we're watching with some concern coming out of china, well, donald trump is your biggest ally. you know, his being president with his incoherent, inconsistent, foreign policy has given you a tremendous opportunity. so i -- i'm glad that vice president biden with all of his experience in foreign affairs, from the senate, from being vice president, is trying to warn the american people that what happened in 2016 is, sadly,

under way again. >> yeah. to say nothing of putting bounties on american troops. >> it's unbelievable, joy. i mean, he has still yet to say anything as the president of the united states about bounties on american troops. >> yeah. >> it's just unbelievable. >> it is unbelievable. a lot of it is. you know, i showed the "der spiegel" cover to the former vice president. i'll ask you this question, having been secretary of state, you know, the thing that is new for me about the way the world is looking at us, you know, the rest of the world has been angry with us during the iraq war, has felt bullied by the united states on issues regarding their own democracies, et cetera, but this is new. pity. we're seeing headlines around the world that the united states is now an object of pitpity. kicked out of certain supply chains. our farmers are now locked out of certain markets because of tariffs. how would you advise fixing that, or can it be fixed? do you think this is problem

that will end up, you know, dominating a lot of the foreign policy of the biden administration, just trying to repair the relationships and our esteem in the world? >> it can be repaired if we make a change in the white house starting next january. it won't be easy because we're going to have to rebuild our alliances with our friends around the world who have, as you just pointed out, been looking at us with confusion, with pity, with deep concern about what this means to the future of democracy and our relationships. we're going to have to be very clear with adversaries like russia, iran, china, north korea, that we are back in the business of diplomacy, tou tough-minded diplomacy to try to deal with the vacuums that have been created by this administration. it will take a lot of time and

effort and intensive work, joy, but it can be done. i dare not think about what we could be left with if for some reason trump were to be re-elected because then i think the damage to our institutions, to the rule of law, to america's unity and to our role in the world would be much, much harder to repair. >> you know, having run against donald trump, but even before that, i mean, donald trump has been sort of floating around, you know, in, you know, elite circles, sort of touching them here and there so you know donald trump. are you concerned that donald trump will not accept the results of the election in november if he loses? >> well, he seemed to signal that with his chris wallace interview, didn't he? when he said he would have to wait. we have to be concerned and i think it's something that not just the biden campaign, but

everyone in any position of responsibility on both sides of the political divide, have to begin preparing for and here's what i think that means. we need to shore up our electoral security. we need to make it possible for people to vote by mail. i'm involved in helping to support lawsuits against states that are trying to minimize or make that difficult because that's what the trump administration wants. we have to make sure there are enough poll workers so that people can vote in person with early voting and enough places when they show up on election day. we know what needs to be done, and i think it's fair to say, joy, that the other side does, too, because clearly, the strategy for re-election that donald trump is following is to try to make it as difficult as possible for people to vote, to have those votes counted, to sow even further distrust in our

electoral system, to be in a position if he does get refute ya refuteuated on election day to say i'm not sewer it wure it wad try to drag the process out. i take his veiled threat very seriously and i hope that fair-minded conscientious officials a the all levels of government will do everything they can to make our elections work and to make sure that people have a chance to vote and have those votes counted. >> all right. secretary clinton is going to stay with us. stay with us for just a moment. coming up on the other side of the break, can you name the three animals that you see on your screen right now? if you can, you might also be a stable genius.

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>> incidentally, i took the test, too. when i heard that you passed it. >> how did you do? >> it's not the hardest test. the picture, it's an elephant. >> you see, that's all misrepresentation. >> that was what was on the web. >> all misrepresentation. the first few questions are easy. guess you couldn't answer the last questions. >> donald trump claims he released a cognitive test but they won't release the results according to "the new york times." the montreal cognitive assessment trump reportedly took in the past is not especially difficult. we're back with secretary hillary clinton. i mean this in all seriousness. people are giggling about his answer. but are you concerned just based on donald trump's behavior, about his -- he's, you know, needling joe biden about his cognitive abilities. are you concerned about donald trump's? >> i think anybody who has watched him over the last four years has to be concerned and, particularly, watched his total absence of leadership with respect to the pandemic, you know, if you were really looking

for somebody to try to help our country get through this terrible virus that has cost jobs and lives and disrupted our society and economy, clearly he has failed. he's failed at the most fundamental job of being a president. and so, yes, i am concerned. i'm concerned because he doesn't seem up to the job. he doesn't seem capable of having the attention, the concentration, the focus, the discipline, to stay with a problem that like the pandemic poses. he seems to be, unfortunately, impulsive in what he says and he does which confuses a lot of people, governors, mayors, others, who are trying to figure out what to do to save lives and save jobs so i think every american who has seen him over the last four years but particularly over the last six months with respect to the pan

demd pandemic should be concerned about him. >> i want to quickly play you a piece of video you will remember. we're going to play it real quick. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing. >> i want to give you a chance to respond to the fact that donald trump has now commuted the sentence of at least one of the people who was listening, russia was clearly listening. so was roger stone. what do you make of the commutation of his sentence? >> well, i think it's pretty clear that stone threatened him. he probably threatened him privately, but he also threatened him publicly about what he would say if he had to go to prison. and this is a continuation of the cover-up. it's an ongoing cover-up that trump and stone are two of the major participants in to try to prevent us from knowing all of the detail the about what they actually did in 2016. some of it was very public,

asking russia in public to interfere in an american election. some of it was clandestine behind the scenes, sending messages, the kinds oofr thif te know about and i think much more. so what he did was to use the awesome power of commutation as part of the pardon power of the president to basically shut up roger stone. >> yeah. >> so that roger stone would not spill any more beans about what actually happened and how much donald trump actually knew. >> indeed. and before i let you go, in our last few seconds i want to give you an opportunity to speak to the legacy of your friend, congressman john lewis, who passed away and who we've been celebrating and talking about all weekend, but i want to give you an opportunity. i know his support meant so much to you. >> well, his friendship, his example, his extraordinary leadership and service, joy, i hope that americans as we mourn

his passing also are committed to following through with his legacy and that, for me, would mean getting the voting rights act passed. it's been passed in the house. it should be passed in the senate. it was something that he worked on his entire life. he paid a huge price in being beaten and jailed because he believed that every american should have the right to vote and have that vote counted. i would love to see the senate take up the voting rights act from the house and rename it the john lewis voting rights act and as a fitting tribute to him but as a continuation of his mission, his service, his work, his moral leadership, and i l e loved him. i just loved him and miss him personally so very much and i want to see the example he set really held up for years and

generations to come. >> secretary hillary clinton, thank you so much for your time this evening. really appreciate you being here. >> thank you, joy. congratulations. >> thank you very much. thank you. and atlanta mayor keisha lance bottoms, the governor of georgia, is trying to restrain her from speaking to the press. well, she'll be here speaking with us. and another mayor at the center of the fight over deployment of federal agents into america's citiesiy scities mayor lori lightfoot. both will join me next as "the reidout" continues. out...for . and though you may have lost sight of your own well-being, aetna never did. by setting up virtual monitoring for chronic patients, 24-hour telemedicine visits, and mental health resources for everyone. we're always here to help you focus on your health. because it's always, time for care.

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mayors in cities across the country are now at the center of two major issues. the chicago mayor lori lightfoot who's among the mayors facing threats from donald trump and his administration that they will send federal troops to cities run by democrats. the "chicago tribune" learned

the department of homeland security is making plans to send some 150 federal ajigents to chicago this week. the scope of their duties remains unknown. and there's atlanta mayor keisha lance bottoms who is trying to keep her citizens safe from coronavirus by issuing an order that people wear masks in public places. georgia's governor, brian kemp, is not only suing her to roll back that mask requirement, he's also trying to keep her from even talking about it. he's asking for an injunction to, quote, restrain her from issuing statements to the press about her authority to impose such measures. well, she's here to speak with me tonight. and atlanta mayor keisha lance bottoms joins me and also joining us is chicago mayor lori lightfoot. thank you, both, for being here. i'm going to go to you, mayor bottoms, first. i want to note the state of georgia set a single-day record in new coronavirus cases and that would be 4,689 new covid-19 cases. just to have the context of what we're talking about here. the governor has tried to silence you and here is what he

has said accusing mayors like yourself who want to protect your residents with a mask requirement. >> we have people, local mayors, that are playing politics. they, you know, want to go back to shelter in place, they want to stop in-person dining with no notice, just pulling the rug out from under people. and i'm just not going to allow that to happen. >> what's your response? >> first of all, thank you for having me, joy. and congratulations to you. >> thank you. >> the insanity of this with brian kemp is that the recommendations regarding our businesses, our advisory voluntary recommendations, this governor is suing me personally for making voluntary recommendations to people on phase guidelines and these guidelines are based on where we are with covid, based on metrics. it's based on data. and this continuation of

claiming that we are playing politics really is laughable in this state. there were many other cities including savannah, including athens, georgia, and his hometown, that instituted mask policies. he did not sue them and i don't know if it's because those cities were led by men. i don't know if it's because my support of joe biden, i. i don't know if it's because of the demographic makeup of atlanta but he's taken personal exception with our city and me an given inexplicably where we are in our state with covid-19. >> what do you make of this idea that he's trying to stop you from speaking? >> my husband got a very good laugh about that. he said he should have spoken with him about that first. i think -- he obviously wants to silence my voice and what is most striking as i look at the

numbers today, atlanta has a population of about 500,000. we have about 10 million. a little over 10 million people in this state. we have 49% of the covid cases in the city of atlanta. so in the time when we are in the midst of a pandemic, we need as many voices as we can have as possible sounding the alarm, encouraging people to wear masks and to take all precautions and to follow the science and the data. and it is completely unreasonable the course that this governor has put us on. we were one of the first states to re-open. he opened up a satellite hospital at our world congress center. $20 million-plus to do that. he took it back down. he now has to open it back up. icu capacity in atlanta, i think we have roughly about 13% left in capacity in atlanta. and, yet, he wants to silence me. >> yeah.

let me bring mayor lightfoot in because it is a different sort of challenge that you're facing with the -- with the federal government. you sent a letter. i have this letter here that you sent to the president, to donald trump, regarding this decision to try to deploy federal troops like the ones that we've seen in portland into the city of chicago. i want to let you listen to what acting homeland security secretary chad wolf said about your objections to sending in those troops. >> and so i don't need invitations by the state, state mayors or state governors to do our job. we're going to do that whether they like us there or not. >> to a lot of people that sounds like tyranny, he's going to send armed -- they're not troops. they're not even military. they're like customs and border protection, you know, immigration officials that they're sending in in unmarked gear. what is your response? >> well, first of all, as a former federal prosecutor, i

know that if resources are brought in to augment existing federal infrastructure under the control and direction of a local u.s. attorney, there might be a value add, but look at what's happened in portland. what we have there is no advanced notice to the local authorities, no notice to the local u.s. attorney's office, and having these armed camouflaged individuals with no insignia on, no nameplates, grabbing people off the street, that's unconstitutional. so our democracy is at stake and i'll be darned if i'm going to let anybody, even if their name is mr. president, bring those kind of troops to our city and try to take off our residents. that's not going to happen in chicago. and if they try it, i'm going to use every tool at my disposal to stop them. we still have a constitution. we still have laws on the book. and i'm going to use those to deploy against them. we're not going to have tyranny in the city of chicago.

it's just not going to happen. >> the things that the federal government, that the trump administration, wants to do, appear to have the support of the police department or at least the police union in your city. we've seen incidents -- >> not our police -- >> sorry? >> not our police department. we've got an unhinged leader of the fraternal order of police who is craven and trying to get, generate attention. now, he has asked for that, but reasonable local police officials including our superintendent know this is a dangerous road for us to go down. we're not going to have people that don't know our streets, don't know our neighborhoods, and then are engaging in clearly unconstitutional conduct, operating at will in our city. that is chaos. that is lawlessness. and we are absolutely not having it. >> are you planning on filing a lawsuit? >> if we need to, we will. and we will be prepared. >> and, mayor keisha lance

bottoms, would you consider filing a counterlawsuit against the one filed against you? >> oh, absolutely. and like mayor lightfoot, we're going to fight with everything that we have. donald trump and his minions are the architects of chaos in this country right now. and i'm so glad to call lori a friend. we talk as mayors quite often about the challenges that we are facing and so we're on the front lines of this, not alone, but this will be a coordinated response from us across this country. >> yeah. atlanta mayor keisha lance bottoms and chicago mayor lori lightfoot, thank you both very much. best of luck to you on both these very complicated issues. and up next, lawrence o'donnell will be here. es powern with spray mopping to lock away debris and absorb wet messes, all in one disposable pad. just vacuum, spray mop, and toss. the shark vacmop, a complete clean all in one pad.

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we are entering into an era of opportunity and danger. the opportunity is illustrated in the life of john lewis and c.t. vivian, and it's visible in the streets of dozens of america's cities where confederate emblems erected during the mid 20th century as a warning to black citizens that they would never really be citizens are coming down. with those monuments and flags being stripped away to make space for a new and more inclusive vision of america. and where americans old and young, black and white, are marching, john lewis style, for justice. the danger comes from the creep of autocracy in america.

in another era the notion of federal troops headed to american cities triggered relief in the hearts of americans who were struggling to exercise their right to vote or to go to school or to go to college. but today it invokes something very different. violence. horror. and the fear that our democracy is slipping. opportunity versus danger. the central conflict of our time. that's what we'll be covering on "the reidout" night after night. and tonight, to close out my first show, i'm so happy to be joined by my friend and colleague, lawrence o'donnell, host of "the last word." lawrence, thanks for being here. i appreciate you being here. give me your sort of summation of where we stand right now, do you feel more opportunity or more chaos ahead? >> well, look, looking at the polls that show joe biden with as much as a 15-point lead, the low end of it is the 10-point lead in the polls, that says to us that trumpism ends on election night. that says to us that we are

going to be in a new world next year if those poll numbers hold. and so the poll numbers are the reason for optimism tonight. we're going to have to get through an awful lot of grim days and nights between now and then as we're seeing in portland tonight. >> yeah, one of the things that former vice president biden said, he short of shook his finger right at russia, said be warned. he was pretty tough about that. do can you think that russia will be restrained by that kind of a warning knowing if he wins there might be hell to pay? >> yeah. russia understands what it's like to have a real american president and to have somebody who's actually going to push back and cause russia problems if russia causes this country problems and now they that's who joe biden is. >> yeah. >> i was also struck, joy, by how plainly he spoke about donald trump by saying donald trump doesn't care and saying it repeatedly. saying donald trump doesn't care about people dying from this. and the idea that you could say

that about a president of the united states and a majority of the audience would nod in agreement that that's correct, the president doesn't care about this. >> yeah. >> is a very, very powerful statement by joe biden and he's the last guy to say that kind of thing wildly. it's just conventional wisdom now that donald trump doesn't care. >> and, you know, secretary clinton also, she did say that it does make sense to maybe question donald trump's cognitive abilities the way he's been questioning joe biden's. joe biden seemed perfectly lucid to me. what do you make of that, that now the questions are turning back on him? >> well, the question's been on him for quite a while. in the second year of his presidency, maybe the end of the first year, we had 27 psychiatrists put out a book called "the dangerous case of donald trump" and warning us, giving us their duty to warn about what they were reading as the mental health of this person. >> yeah. >> before you get into any kind of cognitive decline from

alzheimer's like his father had or something like that, you have something much more troubling with donald trump, at any age in his life, and mary trump now has helped with that diagnosis, and it's obviously a very grave thing. >> yeah. >> the more donald trump wants to concentrate on that aspect, the better it is for joe biden who, by the way, joy, joe biden was my very first guest on my very first show ten years ago, so joe biden launch pretty much gives you a ten-year run. >> i love it. last question before i let you go, you know, the question of a black woman v.p. has been -- it's rolling around my circles a lot. what did you make of joe biden's answer on that? >> man, it's -- you brought him -- i mean, you really closed in on that, joy. you didn't give any room and he made it very clear there's at least four black women who are very serious candidates for vice president right now and you know -- >> yeah. >> -- that the maximum list is maybe about six people. i think the odds are very likely there will be a black woman vice

presidential nominee. that's probably the likelihood at this point. >> we shall see. my friend and colleague lawrence o'donnell, you're always great. thank you so much. really appreciate you being here. always. >> thanks, joy. >> that is tonight's "reidout," i want to thank you all for joining us tonight. i want to thank all of you out there hosting watch parties. love all you guys for doing that. for agonizing for these last two years. initially, it was panic then it turned into torment. >> i was concerned that she was hurt somewhere. >> i felt so helpless. >> kelly bordeaux was always there for others. >> she liked to help people that needed help. >> therefo for her friends, the for her country. >> this was a good fit for her, the army? >> she wanted to be an officer.

>> her personal life was a little more complicated. she was estranged from her r husband. were they tacking divorce? >> kelly was, he wasn't. >> lately she seemed to have add ann admirer. >> did he ask kelly for her phone number? >> yes. >> when they disappeared, hundreds gathered the search including this perfect stranger. >> i'd like to see if i could solve this. >> he was suspicious about one of the men in kelly's life. >> like, dude, i can tell you're lying. >> getting the truth wouldn't be easy. >> i had to get into his mind, see what he was about. >> what you were involved in was psychological warfare. >> uh. he knows where she's at. >> after a young soldier's mysterious disappearance, one man's personal battle to find her. >> do you think he's finally going to reveal to you? >> i know he is.

>> it's closed now. just a decrepit old shack with just the weeds for company. the good times are long gone, back when it was a watering hole for some of the soldiers based at nearby ft. bragg. famous for billiards, beer and karao karaoke, it was once a popular little pub called froggy bott bottoms, where private 1st class kelly bourdais planned to unwind back in april 2012, friday the 13th. kelly was just 23. a mere 5'1" and barely 100 pounds. burt s but she could hold her own with anybody. >> girl power, indeed. >> to her older siblings, matt and olivia, kelly was always the perfect combination of tough and sweet. >> bouncy, bubbly. happy. just trying to have a good time. >> i think she was always working to get better. she had a driven personality.

>> that started from pre-k. she got straight as in everything she's ever -- all schooling was just cakewalk for her. >> kelly also had a big heart. she was warm and generous. always putting others first. >> she liked to help people that she saw needed help. she wanted them to be better because she could help them to be better. >> kelly grew up in florida and enlisted in the army when she was 22. >> just wait until i see you. >> after basic training, the army sent her to fayetteville, north carolina. at ft. bragg, kelly trained as an army medic. one of the most demanding jobs in the military. >> i think it gave her an opportunity to do something better with her life and she wanted to help people. >> and what was it about being army medic? that's an intense job. >> it was something that would

push her to her limits. i want to make a career out of it. i want to do my 20 years. she's like, i really want this to be something. >> so she would have possibly made a life out of the military. >> yeah. >> oh, yeah. >> that was the plan. >> kelly's professional life was on track, but her personal life was complicated. kelly had a husband named mike bordeaux. they got married in 2010 before she joined the service but later separated. after some time apart, the couple decided to give it another shot. so when the army sent kelly to north carolina, she asked mike to come with her. why did kelly want to save the marriage? >> i think she didn't want to see it as a failure. she said i'm going to give it three months where i devote -- i'm going to make this work. >> but kelly couldn't make it work. despite her efforts, the marriage was on the rocks. >> she bought him a one-way plane ticket to florida and he

left. >> and did she actually use the word, divorce? >> i remember in the text messages very clear, like, listen, mike, i've done everything i can for the last three months to try to make this work, i can't do this anymore, like, this is it. >> during her initial separation from mike, kelly started seeing someone else. a guy from her hometown of st. cloud, florida, named justin thompson. >> she's just fun, easy to talk to. she was just always laughing, loving. it was -- she never meant anything wrong to fib. >> kelly had a knack for making everyone happy? >> yeah, she was inviting to everyone, if you were there, you were part of the party. >> when she tried to save her marriage, he gave her space. when mike moved out, kelly anned just a justin to move in. >> you in love with kelly? >> we were in love. i don't want to say we were going to get parried ay marrie kids. our intentions was to further our relationship. >> was home wherever kelly was.

>> yeah. >> in early april of 2012, justin visited fayetteville to get acquainted with his future home. the couple also hit froggy bottoms. then justin returned to florida. he'd be back in two weeks this time for good. meanwhile, kelly decided to gotexted her s before she left that night and sent this selfie. did she say if she was going with anybody? >> no. she's like, i'm going to go sing karaoke and not think about work. not think about mike. just kind of trying to get away from all that and relax. >> kelly also texted justin about her plans. justin says he wasn't happy that kelly had gone out alone in a new town she didn't know. >> i didn't feel like her life was in danger. i just didn't feel like that was a good environment. >> what wasn't a good environment? >> the fayetteville area. her by herself, we don't know anybody there. if something was to happen, nobody's going to call you, say, kelly hasn't come home in a while, nobody knows anything.

>> throughout the evening, kelly and justin kept in touch, texting frequently. everything seemed fine, he said. olivia, meanwhile, went to bed early. the next morning did you try to call her, text her? >> probably at some point i probably text ted her said, hey how was last night, whatever. it wasn't uncommon for us not to talk for a day or two. i remember, like, let her chill this weekend. >> but justin said he did wake up to a text from kelly sent around 1:30 a.m. he says there was something strange about it. >> the verbiage. the way she talks. it doesn't make sense. i made it home, i'm safe. i'll call you tomorrow. why would you not be safe? why would you text me, made it home, i'm safe. call me tomorrow. it makes no sense. >> did you try calling her then? >> yes. >> and? >> it was debt. >> what are you thinking? >> it was bad. i knew it was bad. coming up -- what were some of the scenarios that were running through your mind? >> that somebody was holding her

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saturday, the morning after. kelli bordeaux had been out of touch for hours. her boyfriend, justin thompson, knew something was wrong. what was supposed to be a day off was now turning into a day of dread. not a call, text or tweet from her, he says. >> i remember talking to my mom. i was like, i don't want to start a storm but i'm really worried about it because i knew something bad happened. >> why did you jump to that conclusion so fast? >> if you talk to somebody every day and then you can't get ahold of them, it's no good. >> saturday came and went, still nothing from kelli. so on sunday, justin now

frantic, phoned the fayetteville police department urging them to start searching. >> nobody would help me. i called them several times. >> police policy required a family member to call in and provide more personal details on kelli before they could start searching. so the next day justin decided to call the army base instead. >> i asked them if she showed up. i said it is important, if she didn't show up you need to go to her house. they got back on the phone and said she didn't show up. >> army investigators and fayetteville police went to kelli's apartment. >> they got inside? >> uh-huh. >> no kelli? >> no kelli. >> is that when everybody starts taking this really seriously. >> that's when we started to panic, yeah. >> word spread like wildfire as ft. bragg called kelli's estranged husband, mike, then phoned her sister, olivia. reliable kelli missed roll call and wasn't at home. >> i was like what the hell. i started facebook messaging

her, calling her like crazy, trying to find anybody in the army with her, like have you seen her, did you go out with her on friday? i was just trying everything. >> everything led to nothing, no leads, no clues, no kelli. >> what were some of the scenarios that were running through your mind? >> just that somebody was holding her somewhere. you know. >> a kidnapping kind of thing. >> yeah, i thought that. i was more concerned she was hurt somewhere and she wasn't able to get to us so we have to get to her. >> olivia, matt and mike immediately made plans to all meet in fayetteville. by now the fayetteville pd was all over the case. one of the investigators assigned was veteran homicide detective mike ballard. >> we knew this could be an endangered person. >> why the homicide unit when she has barely been missing. and i'm sure soldiers do go missing from time to time. >> some soldiers do, it's usually soldiers who have disciplinary action. she was a person who was there

every day. where she was supposed to be. always contacted her family. her friends. then she just disappears off the face of the earth. >> breaking news in the case of kelli bordeaux, the ft. bragg soldier missing since saturday. >> the disappearance of the beautiful young army medic was now big news and covered extensively by local media like nbc station wral tv. >> right now it is still a missing person case. there is a lot that is not known at this time. >> olivia and mike arrived in fayetteville where they took a grim meeting at police headquarters. what did you tell them? >> that we were hoping for the best but preparing for the worst and they should do the same thing, too. >> i remember at one point the detectives were trying to take us back to talk to us more and we were walking into a room and it said "homicide" on the door. i was like, i'm not going in there. they were like, no, no, no, this is just the best room. i was like, that's not happening, i'm not letting that thought in. i have to stay positive.

this is an out of character thing to happen to my sister. it's not something that -- it's not something she would do. >> olivia quickly became a mainstay on every media outlet in the area. >> i just want my sister back, you know. i just want to talk to her. >> mike bordeaux also went on camera to plead for his wife's return. >> please let her come home. just let her come home. >> the public, police and military response was intense. it seemed like the whole town turned out to look for kelli. >> most of us are military, prior military or spouses, so we are very driven to find one of our own. >> search teams numbers in the hundreds combed the fields and thick forests surrounding fayetteville. >> i searched basically every day i was there, sunup to sundown for the most part, and them it's just searching, searching, searching. >> this volunteer group started at kelli's apartment, but just like police their search turned

up nothing. >> detectives were also combing through kelli's background, her habits, and, most importantly, her circle of family and friends. >> everybody's a suspect until we eliminate you. >> you started with mike bordeaux? >> mike bordeaux. >> kelli's estranged husband? >> right, and he told me during the interview that they were having some problems and that's what threw me off when he would get on tv, there was no issues. >> me and her loved each other very much. and i just appreciate everyone out here helping looking for her. >> he wasn't being consistent. >> mike was saying everything was great. >> yeah, yeah. >> and it wasn't. >> like it was a marriage made in heaven and it wasn't. >> so you were taking marriage of his interview. >> absolutely. absolutely. >> were they talking divorce? >> kelli was, mike wasn't. >> did you see that as a possible motive? >> we had to eliminate mike bordeaux. >> mike insisted he was in florida when kelli went missing in fayetteville.

even so, police still determined him a primary person of interest. >> is her husband in question by detectives? >> we had conversation with mr. bordeaux. >> police also needed to have a conversation with kelli's boyfriend, justin thompson. little did they know that justin had a huge new lead waiting for them about the night kelli disappeared. coming up -- >> get vibes from people sometimes. i could see, it was weird. >> a new possible suspect. >> he is the last person we see with kelli. that was very concerning to us. >> why something in his past would trigger even more alarm bells. >> it certainly was a red flag. >> when "deep in the woods" continues. ds" continues. proof i can fight moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. proof i can fight psoriatic arthritis... ...with humira. proof of less joint pain... ...and clearer skin in psa. humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation

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police have just told us they have no new leads. >> nothing. >> kelli bordeaux. >> missing soldier kelli bordeaux. >> what happened to kelli bordeaux? >> it was now national news. suddenly quiet little fayetteville was ground zero for a massive search for a missing army medic. >> detectives say information in this case keeps pointing them to

look in this area near where she was last seen. >> kelli bordeaux had been missing some 72 hours. the chances of finding her were growing slimmer by the day. >> investigators have combed through just about every area here in fayetteville as well as in cumberland county. >> 600 miles away in florida, kelli's boyfriend justin thompson was talking to detectives, telling them he was home the weekend kelli disappeared. >> he was not where he said. we checked his phone. everything checked out with justin. >> justin told detectives something else, another name to check out. when he and kelli visited froggy bottoms the week before she disappeared they met a chatty guy who worked there named nick holbert. >> he started talking to us at that point. you get vibes from people sometimes. i could see it. it was weird. >> but he says kelli being kelli

asked holbert if he wanted to join them for a game of pool. holbert hung out with them until justin and kelli decided to head home for the night. did he ask kelli for her phone number? >> yeah. >> and? >> she gave it to him because he worked there. it's always good to have somebody who works at the bar as a friend. >> that friday the 13th when kelli decided to go back to the barbie herself, justin told detectives she wasn't really alone. he said she arranged to get a ride from nick holbert. >> i just said this guy, watch out, be careful around him. told her to not have him find out where she lived at exactly, the apartment complex. i told her to walk out and meet him, like, don't let him come pick you up at your door. i don't want him around there if i'm not there. don't know what he does all day, what he does all night. >> this guy really stuck in your mind. >> yeah, he's weird. i don't know what she was doing. >> did you say maybe you shouldn't -- >> i said it. >> -- go? >> i said is but wasn't adamant about it. not going to tell her no a thousand times on text message.

>> kelli made it safely to the bar when she texted justin throughout the night then there was that last rather odd text he received. justin was sure holbert had something to do with kelli's disappearance and sent the text to cover his tracks. >> she went out with this kid, she was supposed to go home and didn't get home with that kid. >> detectives went to froggy bottoms where they found nick holbert, discovered he was down on his luck living in the woods behind the bar. they searched his campsite and his car. not one clue. holbert also agreed to an interview at the police station where he told detectives, yes, he picked up kelli on friday the 13th and later dropped her off at the entrance to her apartment complex. >> since friday night, no contact with her whatsoever, you don't know where she is at. >> no. >> what do you know about her? >> nothing, really. i've known her for, what, six

hours all together. >> holbert was fully cooperative. didn't duck one question. >> if you knocked her down in the car, i need to know about that. >> no, i did not. >> not even touched her? >> no. >> so they let him go. if nick holbert was a suspect, he certainly wasn't acting like one. he joined search teams looking for kelli and even spoke on local tv expressing his concern. >> she seemed like a really nice and cool person and, i mean, i hate that she's missing. >> but fayetteville police weren't buying holbert's story, and now he, too, was a person of interest along with kelli's husband, mike bordeaux. remember, mike said he was home in florida when she went missing, which detectives needed to confirm. what are you looking for in florida? >> he said he was house sitting for his dad. that saturday. his dad was out of town. he fed the horses. he was hanging out with different guys. so we located those people,

interviewed them. story added up. we got video of him at a convenience store in his hometown. so he was there. >> what time was that video taken? >> i think it was around noon on saturday. >> so that didn't necessarily prove that he wasn't in fayetteville. >> no, we talked to his dad friday night. he was there. family put him there friday night, friends put him there. his alibi checked out. >> you felt solid that nobody was covering for him or -- >> right. we even went through to the point of saying, okay, if he premeditatedly done this, he could have left a cell phone in florida, bought another phone then went up. we didn't check into that. it didn't work. he was there. so mike bordeaux at that point in time was eliminated as a suspect. >> so now detectives and district attorney billy west zeroed in on the last person

seen with kelli. >> everything kept coming back to nicholas holbert is the prime suspect. >> investigators dug into his back grou background and discovered something rather disturbing. >> he was a registered sex o fe offender and spent time in a penitentiary for that. >> it certainly was a red flag. the fact that he had a prior sex offense and he is the last person that's seen with kelli. that was very, very concerning to us. >> the d.a. didn't have any evidence to arrest holbert for kelli's disappearance but he did discover he was violating the terms of his parole. >> he was a prior sex offender and he was not registered properly. he was placed in jail. >> right where detectives wanted him. now they would watch holbert, see if he'd blab to a cell mate about what happened to kelli. questioned him twice, took him back to froggy bottoms to jog his memory but he stuck to his

same, inconsistent story. you caught him in lies but couldn't crack him. >> exactly. >> by now olivia and matt had left fayetteville and gone home. must have felt like you were leaving your sister behind even though realistically you can't stay forever. >> i remember feeling defeated. we came up here thinking something was going to happen and it didn't. >> i don't know. i felt like i didn't sleep for a couple of weeks. it was 24/7 thinking about what happened, what happened, what happened. >> detectives and d.a. seemed so close to an answer, they even had their prime suspect in custody, but weeks passed, months. holbert stopped talking. you couldn't arrest him. >> we needed her body. we needed to find kelli bordeaux. >> little did police know it would take some two years to finally unravel the mystery, but they were about to get help, help they never imagined. deep in the forest a secret investigation was under way, a man on a mission to bring kelli home.

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autumn, 2012. kelli bordeaux had been searching for months. the searches continued but were winding down and so was hope. privately, many around town felt kelli would never be found. but in the forest outside fayetteville there was someone still secretly searching for her. no one knew, not police, not even kelli's family. his name was david marshburn. he didn't know kelli but had an intense interest in her case from the day she disappeared. >> she was in the military. you just don't up and disappear. she was a young female. that's not right. >> marshburn is both a bounty hunter and private investigator. his specialty, finding people, dead or alive. >> i knew she wasn't alive. i knew she needed to be found. >> she seemed like a really nice -- >> remember that tv interview nick holbert did? marshburn saw it, too.

>> when i'm watching him it's like, dude, i can tell you're lying. he did it. he knows where she's at. he killed her. >> and marshburn was also convinced he could find kelli bordeaux. operating on his own time and own dime, marshburn started carefully researching the details of kelli's disappearance. >> i don't know what the hell got into me to do it, i mean, i just did it. >> to bring some answers to her family. >> yeah, i love doing it. i love helping a family out. >> marshburn was convinced holbert had buried kelli close to the froggy bottoms bar somewhere in the thick forest surrounding fayetteville. how daunting of a task was it? >> it's like -- i don't know, taking a rock no bigger than this and just throwing it out here and saying, "go find it." and you miss it by an inch, you might as well have missed it by

a mile because it's not that easy to find something. >> marshburn needed help, so several months into his very private search he added two new members to his team, an assistant named marcia ward and a specially trained search dog with a keen sense of smell named cass. >> he's trained on tracking, trailing, whatever you want, what odor you want. >> including buried bodies. together marshburn, marcia and cass slogged through ponds, fields, forests, thousands of acres and searched for months, but no trace of kelli. do you ever lose hope? >> oh, yeah. i got really frustrated and disappointed, and i'm at my wit's end. >> then came an unlikely break. in may 2013 nick holbert was released from jail after being locked up on that parole violation. if holbert was happy, david

marshburn was thrilled because now he could deal with him face to face. so just a day after his release marshburn pulled up to the house where holbert was staying. >> i've never talked to a killer. have you? >> i work for "dateline." >> oh, yeah. i take that back. >> what were you nervous about, that he would try to hurt you or just that the stakes are high here? >> sort of like a star struck, you know what i mean? you're like, wow, it's happening. i don't fear anybody. nobody is big enough or bad enough. it's the man upstairs i'm worried about. it's not -- anybody on earth -- >> so it's more like i want to get this right. i want to solve this. >> and if you do one thing wrong, it goes to hell. >> marshburn took a deep breath and knocked on the door. >> and he answered the door, and i said, "hey, nick, i'm david marshburn, i'm a private investigator, i'm here to try to

find kelli bordeaux and i think you can help me." >> his strategy was simple, trick holbert into thinking he was an ally. >> it was basically telling him, i'm your angel, i'm your help, let me help you. >> help him how, though? >> for people to see the light that he was not guilty. >> so you're telling nick that you're going to prove he didn't have anything to do with the disappearance of kelli bordeaux. >> uh-huh. >> he buys that? >> hook, line, and sinker. >> so now the bounty hunter and the prime suspect talked. over the next few months marshburn gradually started to win holbert's confidence, coaxing him to confess about what really happened to kelli bordeaux. >> i had to get into his mind and see what he was about. >> did you think that he was going to just confess to you? >> uh-uh. i knew that. i didn't know how i was going to get it out of him. >> at this point police were aware of david marshburn and his diy investigation.

did you take david marshburn seriously? >> absolutely. he came to us and wanted to befriend nick holbert. >> what did you think of that? >> hey, go for it. we can't tell him what to do. he was intelligent. he had good common sense. so we was okay with him trying to befriend him. >> marshburn, remember, is a private "i," not a police officer. unlike detectives, he could try tactics that were, to say the least, unorthodox. a few months after they met marshburn told holbert that the d.a. was ready to cut a deal if he confessed. marshburn even presented holbert with this very attractive plea bargain agreement. >> it would be something like manslaughter and he would do three to four years and he would go to a mental hospital. >> the so-called deal was completely bogus. >> you'll see, i put a fake judge on there. it was justin f. case, honorable

justin f. case. just in case. >> did he believe it? >> yeah. he believed it to a point, but then he threw it back at me after looking at it for about five minutes said, no, they'll just take it back. >> marshburn thought that wasn't exactly the reaction of an innocent man. now he was fully convinced nick holbert had killed kelli, but he needed to get holbert to reveal where he buried her body. >> how can i be his friend? and i had to do some things, say some crap that i just didn't believe, but i had to do it to play the part. >> marshburn bought holbert countless meals, beers, even hired him to do odd jobs, slowly becoming a bff, or maybe more of a frenemy. but marshburn said he paid a high price as he practically abandoned his wife and young son. >> i didn't do any family stuff.

if we were eating somewhere, and nick called and said i need cigarettes, i need some money, i would get up and i'd leave and go straight to him and do what i had to do and come back. >> were you obsessed? >> when i have somebody i'm hunting down, i don't stop until i get them. >> isn't that obsessed? >> i don't know. when i'm hunting someone down i don't stop until i get the answers i need. i want to be the one to find the answer. marcia, my partner, she's the same way. we don't stop until we get results. >> but holbert still wasn't providing any answers about kelli who had now been missing some 18 months. by this time, marshburn had spent thousands of hours and some $40,000 trying to crack holbert. he was losing hope and considered quitting or even trying something drastic. >> at times i wanted to just take nick and cut his fingers off and say, you tell me or i'm going to chop another one off. i wanted to torture him because i knew he knew. >> you really would have done that? >> oh, yeah.

i hated him that bad, i despised him. >> he really got into your head. >> well, i wouldn't say got into my head, he just got into my damn emotions where i just needed -- i spent so much money, almost lost my family, almost lost everything i had. >> marshburn didn't resort to torture, but he did need a new tactic, something that would make holbert finally share his deadly secret. coming up -- >> nick was always worried law enforcement was watching him. >> marshburn finds a new pressure point. that was his achilles' heel. >> uh-huh. >> but will it work? is the mystery about to be solved? this is it? >> this is it. >> when "deep in the woods" continues. apologies for my appearance. you look fine. we were just talking about -- yeah, right. i look like a wanted poster. i didn't have time to get my beard routine in this morning, so... what beard routine? ah. well, the key is maple nectar. gives it that sheen. is there something wrong with my screen?

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there were still a few flyers scattered around fayetteville, but nearly two years after kelli bordeaux had mysteriously vanished, the investigation had cooled. new crimes now took priority. kelli's family still visited fayetteville periodically to keep the case alive, somehow never losing hope. >> people would ask, how do you keep thinking she's alive? i was like, until you can prove otherwise why should i believe it? i would rather believe the better scenario. >> how did you have that hope it would happen? >> because the other avenue wasn't one i wanted to go down. >> back in florida, kelli's boyfriend, justin thompson, had been living in limbo with a bad case of survivor's guilt. >> i could have done more. somehow i should have done better. >> how? >> i should have told her no, don't go, i should have tried to argue about it, i don't know. >> what was the waiting like and

the not knowing? >> terrible. just like slams on the brakes, and your life, you can't do anything. i honestly didn't think we'd ever find her. >> really? >> what was going to change? >> but little did justin know, things were about to change. up in fayetteville, private investigator david marshburn had befriended nick holbert, the prime suspect in kelli's disappearance. marshburn was working practically 24/7 to get a confession, chasing every clue holbert dropped. >> we'd go talk to him then we'd go out and try to figure it out. we knew we were going on wild goose chases. we had to do it. i mean, what else you got? >> marshburn needed to turn up the heat on holbert and had an idea. >> nick was always worried law enforcement was watching him. >> that was his achilles' heel. >> uh-huh. so i knew that was a weakness.

>> which marshburn exploited by enlisting a friend who owned a vehicle that looked like an unmarked police car. he had him park near holbert's house and conduct surveillance, fake surveillance. >> it worked like a charm because he saw him right out the gate when he come outside and got paranoid. >> so paranoid that marshburn tried yet another trick to push holbert to give it up. he had his wife pose as a paralegal and drop phony indictment papers charging holbert with kelli's murder. >> i took one of his old charges, changed who the detective was, changed the charges. he was being indicted and i got cici, my paralegal person on the phone. >> who's your wife. >> who's helping me. the plan was working good and he was worried. >> holbert took one look at the indictment papers and went into a panic. sensing nick was near his

breaking point, marshburn reminded him about the sweetheart plea deal if he confessed so they took a ride to froggy bottoms back to where it all began. >> i said, look, nick, you're fixing to be indicted on this. they evidently got evidence. you know at the beginning what happened, the middle you're probably not so sure because it's also the -- probably had tunn tunnel vision or just don't want to remember the bad part and the end. the end's where we need to get to. that's where i need to be. you need to get me to where kelli's at. i said, i'm going to leave you right here and you think about it and i'll wait as long as you need to. he didn't say a word. nothing. >> this must have been a powerful moment between you two. >> it was. it was quiet. it was just my voice to him and he's standing there just looking straight down. and it feels like he's imaging all the stuff going on of what he done. >> do you think he's finally going to reveal to you? >> i know he is. >> this is it?

>> this is it. oh, yeah, this is it. i had chills. >> marshburn then applied one last bit of pressure, his own ticking clock of sorts to push holbert over the edge. >> so i pick up a stick. i figured if i sit there, snap it, that it would ring in his mind, hey, i'm on a time limit, the clock's ticking. i started snapping the twigs off of it. and finally i got to that last little piece off of it and he said something like, okay, i'm ready. >> ready to confess. finally, after a year-long cat-and-mouse game, holbert revealed to marshburn that he killed kelli bordeaux. they got back in the van and holbert directed marshburn to a remote area where he remembered burying the body. >> and i said, well, where we got to go? he said, beaver road. my heart sank. like, how many times have i been on this road?

damn, how did i miss her? then he said, right here. so we pulled down this path. >> are you getting nervous? >> no. i'm excited i'm going to find her. and i took cass and me and cass try and find her. >> marshburn and cass spent the next several hours combing through the thick woods, trying to get a scent of kelli's grave. >> we searched until almost dark. cass starts laying down so we start digging. can't find nothing. >> what is that telling you, though? >> thinking we're close. >> but not close enough. holbert couldn't remember exactly where he buried kelli's body. it was almost dark. everybody was exhausted. so marshburn reluctantly called it a day, but he didn't take holbert home. >> i give him a hotel room and i tell him i'm going to be back in the morning. >> did you worry that he might get spooked and take off? >> i was worried he was going to kill himself. >> and take the secrets of

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download the xfinity stream app today to stream the entertainment you love. xfinity. the future of awesome. it was a long night in north carolina. nick holbert was holed up in a hotel. while a few miles away, david marshburn was wide awake wondering, worrying, hoping that tomorrow would be the day that he could finally bring kelli bordeaux home. >> i couldn't sleep that night. marcia couldn't sleep. i mean, we were just all excited for the next day.

so next day comes, we go to pick him up and he's real quiet. >> he, of course, was nick holbert who was now back in the forest outside fayetteville. it was may 14th, 2014. two years of searching had now come down to this one sweltering spring morning. but holbert still couldn't remember exactly where he had buried kelli's body and went off searching in a different direction. >> we're standing there, like, darn, i can't figure this out. all of a sudden i look over to my left and there's some clearing over here and there's the sun coming down. >> then in that very same spot, cass seemed to pick up a scent. >> all of a sudden he starts crawling to it, like whimpering crawling. and he stopped. that was our spot. >> they carefully pushed a metal rod into the ground. the soil was loose like a hole

had been dug and filled in. it was at that moment marshburn was overwhelmed with emotion. >> at that time i said, baby girl, you're going home, you're going home, baby girl. sorry. i'm sorry. i get emotional. >> had you even seen her yet? >> uh-uh. >> you just knew. >> you just knew. >> but they had to be sure. so now the grim task of digging began. >> we find a little piece of a jacket. when we pulled that jacket back, that's when we stopped. we said this is her. i mean, this is it. >> throughout the day, marshburn had been texting fayetteville police about his progress. now minutes after finding kelli's body, he sent them something definitive. and dreadful. >> photo. that appears to be a human bone. the place he's digging. we contacted him, said, hey, cease and desist on the digging. don't do nothing else.

>> police rushed to the scene and soon detective jeff locklear was interrogating holbert on camera. >> what do you want me to start? the very beginning? >> holbert told the whole horrible story, how he took kelli to the bar and they hung out then later said holbert someone there told kelli about his prior sex offense. she got upset and swore at him in the emipty parking lot. >> i snapped and zoned out, hit her, knocked her out. >> he took kelli to his campsite, she woke up and started screaming. i hit her, knocked her out again. she was dead. >> holbert said he took kelli's body deep into the woods and bury her. >> you okay with going back there? >> i don't really want to. >> holbert was then taken downtown and arrested. >> this morning, detectives with

the fayetteville homicide, fayetteville police department homicide unit recovered what we believe to be the remains of private 1st class kelli bordeaux. >> by now, kelli's family had gotten the news. >> she was at a work. >> he called me, you have to come to mom's now. he said, no, you have to come home, they found kelli. i remember dropping to the floor, itright there. >> a sense of relief instead of wondering what if, what if, what. >> olivia called kelli's girlfriend, justin. >> i was so happy that she was found. i can't say happy. >> relieved. >> i guess i was relieved. sad again. all over again. now we're going to have to do the funeral thing. ♪ >> two weeks later they paid their final respects. the funeral in florida was such big news it was actually televised.

>> aim. fire. >> kelli bordeaux was just 23. >> everybody rise, please. >> just over a year later came a measure of justice. >> are you, in fact, guilty of each of these crimes? >> yes, sir. >> facing the possibility of the death penalty, nick holbert pleaded guilty to kidnapping and killing kelli in exchange for a life sentence. >> i wanted my sister. i want her body. i wanted her. i was like, what happens to nicholas holbert isn't going to change what he's done, whether he says he's sorry, whether -- doesn't matter. >> for david marshburn, his remarkable work was done. case closed. justice served. kelli bordeaux was finally home. but he says solving her case left him with mixed emotions. >> once we got finished, we were

depressed. it was a depression like you would not believe. we went from two years nonstop, kelli, kelli, kelli, kelli. >> do you think this case ever would have been solved without you? >> no. i don't think that nick would have ever told anyone unless they were his friend, but he did tell me. >> but the family of kelli bordeaux, the loss, the pain, the sorrow, never goes away. but david marshburn at least gave them a chance to heal. >> he ended a suffering for my family where we're sitting here agonizing for these last two years, he was the one that was able to come in and end that for us and to make it to where you can try to start rebuilding and doing things that will make kelli proud and to live your life. >> the family also had something for david marshburn. a very special gift from kelli. >> kelli's dog tags which that's a great honor in itself. >> this is a very important

thing. >> yeah. >> for a soldier. >> i'll always have these. these will stay with me forever. . the details are so crazy. >> other successful young couple ambushed in the dead of night. abduct. >> i didn't have a clue happened. was their story even true? >> we were be able to substantiate the things that they were saying. >> could this be some kind of hoax in who was really behind it all. >> t