dubious that in fact anybody could beat susan collins. she's served four terms. in the past enjoyed tremendous popularity, and because she's a key swing vote she enjoys a degree of power within the senate and within her caucus that she can advertise to the state. so she is still going to be hard to beat. >> rebecca from arooster county, maine, it's great to talk to you. >> thank wheres, chris. >> that is all in on this wednesday evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now ali velshi in for rachel. >> i didn't know you had a favorite county in the state of maine but that's the benefitting of hearing your show. >> i've got a favorite in every one of the 50 states. >> i look forward to hearing about many of them. and thank you to you at home for joining us this hour. rachel has got the night off. a short time ago we learned supreme court justice ruth bader

ginsberg is back in the hospital for the second time this month. this time the court says it was for a minimally invasive nonsurgical procedure to reposition a stint that was inserted into her bile duct last year. according to a statement from the quote, the procedure was done to minimize the risk of future infection. the justice is resting comfortably and expects to be released from the hospital by the end of the week. the 87-year-old justice also recently revealed she's being treated for a recurrence of cancer on her liver which is unrelated to this procedure. so we're going to be keeping an eye on that news tonight. also today the governor of oregon announced today that federal agents who have been clashing with protesters in portland for weeks will start withdrawing from the city tomorrow. oregon's governor will be our guest here in just a few minutes to tell us more about that developing situation. and president trump today moved forward with plans to remove thousands of american troops from germany, something that even a lot of republicans are calling a gift to vladimir putin.

even as trump offered strange new defenses of the russian president in a brand new interview. we're going to get some expert help on that issue, and we will talk to new jersey senator cory booker about being dragged into donald trump's latest racist pitch to suburban voters. and of course the stunning backdrop to this whole day were these striking images from capitol hill where lawmakers grilled four of the richest most powerful men in the world. the ceos of apple, microsoft, facebook and google appeared together before congress for the first time and yet they were not really together. they appeared via videoconference because of the coronavirus epidemic. the virus has now killed more than 150,000 americans and has claimed about a thousand lives a day for the past week. for the third time this month california again broke its record for the most coronavirus related deaths in a single day. 17 had, by the way. the state of florida reported over 200 new deaths today, setting a fatality record for

the second day in a row. texas also reported its highest day death toll, over 300 covid deaths. a report today from the association of american medical colleges contains this grim appraisal. quote, if the nation does not change its cort and soon deaths in the u.s. could well be in the multiples of hundreds of thousands. with an epidemic ravaging the country like that, yes, you want to hold every meeting you possibly can remotely even if it's a big high profile congressional hearing. in fact, maybe especially if it's a big high profile congressional hearing. but because it's starting to become apparent that a particularly dangerous place to be right now in the midst of this catastrophic epidemic is the united states congress. and that is because there are a number of u.s. lawmakers who are resisting basic public health recommendations like wearing a mask or holding meetings remotely. republican members of congress routinely use their time in

committee hearings these days to mock their democratic colleagues for holding hearings by videoconference more or less daring them to come sit in hearing rooms. even as polls consistently show that the vast majority of americans support not just wearing masks but supporting mandates requiring people to wear masks in congress hearing after hearing gets interrupted by or diverted into arguments about masks. at yesterday's hearing with attorney general bill barr judiciary committee chair jerry nadler reprimanded several republican members for not wearing their masks. and in a meeting of the house's special committee on coronavirus when one republican member used his time to question whether masks are even really useful maryland democrat jamie raskin could barely contain his exasperation. >> as i understand it the mask is not to protect me. it gives me a little protection, but it's to protect other people in the event that i'm infected. and a majority of infections i understand are of people who are

asymptomatic or presymptomatic, so you don't know if you've got it. we had members of congress who didn't realize they had it and they were franternizing with everybody else. why is this so complicated? there's one thing we can do to protect people which is put on a mask. it doesn't cost anything. why is it some kind of macho thing where if i don't wear a mask i'm tough? >> the vast majority of americans are onboard with masks. even the vast majority of congress is onboard with masks but the virus looks for any opening it can find. it exploits the weakest links in our chain of preventive measures. it only takes one weak link, and today that weak link is congressman louie gohmert of texas. he's not been a particularly serious member of congress. he's known for once criticizing

eric holder for casting aspirations on his asparagus. he's known for insisting at length on national television america is in mortal danger from terror babies. just last week congressman gohmert introduced a bill that would ban the democratic party, the whole party. so perhaps unsurprisingly he's a full-fledged member of the anti-mask caucus in the house. he told cnn if he ever gets the coronavirus then he will wear a mask even though the whole point of a mask is people without symptoms but have the infection don't spread it to other people. indeed here is congressman gohmert wandering around a congressional hearing room yesterday, no mask on even though everyone else there appears to be wearing a mask. here he is walking to a hearing with the attorney general after the two of them had a chat yesterday. neither of them masked. and wouldn't you know it today congressman louie gohmert tested positive for covid-19. he was scheduled to ride to texas on air force one with president trump but the white

house tested him before his trip. he didn't make it onto the plane. if you're wondering whether congressman gohmert's diagnosis might make him at all contrite about his mask wearing he released a video this afternoon saying actually he's been wearing a mask more lately and maybe he caught the virus -- i want to make sure you're sitting down for this. he thinks maybe he caught the virus because of the mask. attorney general bill barr who had that unmasked walk and talk with congressman gohmert yesterday got tested today. his test came back yesterday, but there's question whether infection would show up on a test less than 24 hours after exposure. at least two are self-quarantining and as for what louie gohmert himself will do here was a notable tweet. quote, louie gohmert lives and sleeps in his capitol office. now he's tested positive he cannot be allowed to quarantine there. he's put members and staff at

enough risk already. i wish you well, congressman gohmert, but you need to figure out a better option. yeah, on that point of putting staff members at risk here's where the story goes from bad to much, much worse. after the reporter jake sherman from politico broke the news that congressman gohmert had tested positive he first added this addendum to his story, quote, after this article was published gohmert told his aides in person he'd been infected, end quote. so he did not tell his staff about the test until after politico published an article about it, then he told them in-person. maybe he even gathered them all in the small room to deliver the news. and then jake sherman, the reporter, got this e-mail from a gohmert aide. quote, jake, thank you for letting aerooffice no gohmert tested positive for the coronavirus. when you write your story can you write the fact louie requires full staff to be in the office including three interns so that we can be an example to

america how to open up safely. when probing the office you might want to ask how often were people berated for wearing masks. after publishing that e-mail jake sherman says he got, quote, a flood of e-mails from republican staffers who say they too are being forced to come to the hill without a mask now. it's bad enough elected officials like louie gohmert are undermining public health messaging on masks. it's bad enough they're putting people around them at risk by not wearing masks. it's bad enough they're insisting lawmakers and staff come to work in person when it's not necessary. but to force your staff to come to work without a mask is on a different level. today in the wake of louie gohmert's covid diagnosis house speaker nancy pelosi announced lawmakers and staff will be required to wear masks on the house floor. but that's just the house floor which is not where either members nor especially their staffs spend most of their time. joining us now is jake sherman, senior writer for politico. good to see you.

thank you for your reporting today. i've got to say we learn to expect a lot of things as reporters. i don't think you expected this, that you'd write a story about louie gohmert getting coronavirus and then republican staff across capitol hill would be writing to you to tell you they're being forced not to wear masks. >> no, that's probably true. a few thing tuesday note, ali. and we're in the middle of massive negotiations over a several trillion dollar coronavirus relief package, so this is not kind of an idle time on capitol hill, so we need to recognize that reality. but number two, congress is left to police itself. this is not the only example that we've seen of congress kind of trying to right the rules it then tries to follow. let's go through some of the undeniable facts which is democrats run the house republicans run the senate. number one, members of congress can go into congress without

wearing masks. they're not tested. ali, this is absolute einsanity. they fly in from all over the country, they meet consfich wnts and shake hands without masks back home and come into the capitol where we're all working. i go there every day. i have two children and a wife and family and i have to go there every day to report, and i wear a mask. but there are people there who don't wear masks like mr. gohmert who i've seen not wearing a mask. there's no testing capability. and within each office each member of congress can write their own rules. again, we're supposed to be nonpartisan in this role and i take pride in that both on msnbc and in politico. but this is insanity, and it flies in the face of all public health guidance that we've gotten over the last five months. >> so let me just ask you about the rules at congress. you said in every office they make their own rules, but there's somebody there, right, that deals with certain things. we certainly learned this in the case of sexual harassment and

stuff. is there anybody who can make a rule that says that you can't force people not to wear a mask. that's different from forcing people to wear a mask. >> well, first of all they should be forcing people to wear a mask because that is the law in the district of columbia where we live and where we're working. this isn't complicated. the federal government and members of congress are telling their constituents they should be wearing masks in close quarters and the capitol people should be wearing masks. that's not complicated. yes, the speaker could make the rule. the institution can make the rule, but, no, there's no real central governing body besides the speaker and the senate majority leader mitch mccomand nancy pelosi. and as we've seen there are people like mr. gohmert who do not believe masks are a positive development for this disease which we know at some level masks do help at least prevent the spread or protect yourself and protect other people from this disease. but, no, there is no central

body. and you saw when sexual harassment laws were being written on capitol hill how long and arduous the process was to get those laws in place. i've seen them with ethics reforms, with all sorts of things that internally should be easy and they're just not. >> representative kate granger from texas is self-quarantining after being on a flight with representative gohmert from texas on sunday evening. a tweet says that at -- this is your tweet. at the direction of the attending physician and out of an abundance of caution she is self-quarantining, 77 years old. attorney general barr has tested negative for interacting with gohmert. what happens now after this reporting tonight? i assume you're hearing from other people that the reporting in this instance may be the catalyst for change. >> in play book tomorrow morning we will run a number of quotes from people describing their instances of workplace hostility

about masks and being forced to come to work when most offices are operating at half capacity not only on capitol hill but across the country. two more things to point out, ali. the dallas to washington flight is a very popular flight for 30 something members of congress from the state of texas and from people all over the country and connecting to dallas. we don't know how many members were on that flight. number two, if louie gohmert was not planning to go to texas today with trump he would have been in the capitol infecting everybody and not knowing because he was asymptomatic. so a lot of members believe it's high time to get testing in place on capitol hill. >> well, as you reported at least they tested him before they got on the plane. and if they did that in congress they would have known that. so we have some measures. we can't have no measures. thanks for your reporting. we look forward to reading play book tomorrow morni morning. he will have much more news

about this tomorrow morning. let's turn to a senior scholar from john hopkins university whose work focuses on pandemic preparedness and biosecurity. good to see you again. thank you for being here. we've talked a lot about the fact things going on in this country fly in the face of public health policy and best practices. we've seen how these things happen elsewhere in the world, and we're not doing this in america. but this is really the epitome of it, right, the idea it's happening in the halls of congress. that people are being told, staff members are being told you can't actually wear a mask to work. this is sort of the height of it. >> yeah. when you're in washington, d.c. a place that has a law about face coverings when you're someone high risk with multiple contacts traveling back and forth around the country you are somebody that is going to be likely to come in contact with this virus. and the fact is this congressman

was aasymptomatic on the floor. and it underscores the fact testing is still hard to get now in july, that we aren't testing people routinely when they need to be tested. this only kind of accidently got tested positive because he was going on a trip with the president. and now you've got basically the house scrambling to try to come up with a new policy to deal with this. it's only going to continue to get worse. >> i want to ask you about a report from the association of medical american colleges. there was an editorial put about by the head of that organization. it says coronavirus deaths in the united states could be in the multiple hundreds of thousands if the country does not reverse the continued rise of new cases, according to the association of american medical colleges. can you evaluate that for me? >> what we know right now is that there are many states where this outbreak is not under control. that they've made the exact same

mistakes now in june and july the whole country made at the federal level in january. we will see deaths accrue. it's a simple biology. this virus can kill vulnerable individuals, and until we keep that virus from landing on them we will see cases go up and deaths go up. >> let me ask you about -- i just don't want to be all doom and gloom here. i read a report in "the wall street journal" there's a decision near on authorizing covid-19 treatments on something called convalescent please mu. i've seen ads of it on tv where celebrities say if you've had covid-19 you can help be part of the solution by donating blood that can help be turned into convalescent plasma. what does that mean? >> when people recover from this virus they develop antibodies against this virus. and you can take that blood and separate the plasma section out

of it and give it to people in the hospital with the idea the antibodies can help them recover. there is some data from china coming out and we're really evaluating whether this has worked. some of my patients have gotten convalescent plasma, so this is something we hope will work and may be a way to deal with the severe case and get them out of the hospital quicker, prevent them from going on a ventilator. but we want to see the data first. and i haven't seen unequivocal evidence this works yet but we are hopeful and want to see the data. >> i cover hurricanes a lot and i remember at the beginning of the summer i started to think what happens when there are hurricanes. we saw one in texas and it really did exacerbate the situation, and now npr is reporting florida is going to pause coronavirus testing because of an impending storm heading in that direction. these things that are bad normally like hurricanes are multiplied in their disastrousness because of coronavirus. >> yes, what you're going to see

is synergy between a weather emergency and this infectious disease emergency. remember some of the same resources we're going to use to take care of coronavirus patients are needed to take care of people displaced by the hurricane. and you're going to see disruption of hurricane just like we saw with super storm sandy. this is really the worst possible time for a hurricane to happen at the time of an epidemic out of control in a state. >> doctor, good to see you again. a senior scholar at the john hopkins center for health security. tonight is quite a night in the news. when we come back we're going to be joined by the governor of oregon who today convinced his personnel to remove from oregon. . are you still at risk for a heart attack or stroke? even if you're on a statin? statins may lower some risks, but may not be enough. that's why science delivered vascepa. for people who have persistent cardiovascular risk factors

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now, the news blind sided u.s. officials at the white house and the state department and the pentagon. it alarmed germany and other european allies as well. it alarmed the president's own party in congress. 22 republican members of the house armed services committee, people who know of these things, shared their concerns with the president writing that, quote, signs of a weakened u.s. commitment to nato will encourage further russian aggression and opportunityism. as "the wall street journal" reported matter of factually at the time, quote, the planned cut to u.s. forces in europe is a boom for the kremlin who has long sought to drive a wedge between the western allies and reduce u.s. influence in europe, end quote. well, today the policy that is a boom for the kremlin became official. at a pentagon news conference defense secretary mark esper confirmed the u.s. would withdraw nearly 12,000 troops from germany. >> the current plan will position approximately 11,900

personnel from germany from roughly 36,000 down to 26,000 in a manner that will strengthen nato and enhance russiaa and meet the other principles i set forth. >> despite the defense secretary's best efforts to sell the policy as a way, to quote, strengthen nato and enhance the deterrence of russia the announcement was immediately condemned by the allied commander of nato both who called it a gift to putin's russia. and when it comes to gifts to russia they do keep on coming. today in an interview with axios the president confirmed he has yes to raise the issue of intelligence of russia paying bounties to kill u.s. troops in afghanistan as was first reported in "the new york times" last month. >> it's been widely reported the u.s. has intelligence indicating that russia paid bounties or offered to pay bounties to taliban fighters to kill american soldiers. you had a phone call with

vladimir putin on july 23rd. did you bring up this issue? >> no, that was a phone call to discuss other things. and frankly, that's an issue that many people said was fake news. we did not discuss that, no. >> and you've never discussed that with him. >> i've never discussed it with him, no. it never reached my desk because they didn't think it was intelligence -- they didn't think it was real. if it reached my desk i would have done something about it. it never reached my desk. >> i have never discussed it with him, no. never came up in any of the seven phone conversations that trump has had with russia's leader since the issue first appeared in his presidential daily briefing on february 27th. so so much for it didn't rise to the occasion. in the interview with axios

trump also appeared unaware russia was providing weapons to the afghan taliban. this was confirmed by trump's own head of u.s. forces in afghanistan two years ago. >> you heard that, right? i mean it's well-known in the intelligence community they're arming the taliban, russia. >> i don't know. when you say arming is the taliban paying or -- >> russia is supplying weapons and money to the taliban. >> i have heard that, but it's never -- again, it's never reached my desk. >> i mean he said it on the record when he was -- >> russia doesn't want anything to do with afghanistan. let me just tell you about russia. the last thing russia wants to do is get too much involved with afghanistan. >> the last thing russia wants to do is get too much involved with afghanistan. except that russia is right now too much involved in afghanistan to the peril of american troops on the ground. joining me now mike mcfaul, former u.s. ambassador to russia during the obama administration.

i don't really know where to start. i don't know what's sort of more troubling. the it never gets to my desk which is something we hear from donald trump a lot. his basic misunderstanding of the role russia is having with afghanistan, or this whole talking to putin and never mentioning the idea that russia might be involved -- is likely involved in paying bounties to taliban militants to kill american soldiers. i don't know, take your pick. which one troubles you the most? >> i don't know where to begin either. it's deeply troubling. let's just restate the facts, okay. that a foreign government would pay people to kill american soldiers abroad and the president of the united states, the commander in chief would not be completely outraged about that is unprecedented. but second, it's a sipe of weakness before president trump putin, right, and what you mention about the soldiers i think is also important. it shows -- it signals to putin that there's nothing he can do

that will get him in trouble with president trump. and what i worry about is not only the horrific idea that putin is killing soldiers in afghanistan and of course, you know, it wasn't completely confirmed. intelligence never is. i worked five years in the government. intelligence is never completely confirmed. that is truly troubling, and i wish our president of the united states would stand up to that. but i'm also worried about the long-term consequences of a president of the united states who doesn't ever want to push back on vladimir putin. i'm worried about european security especially if he's re-elected and president trump thinks that his policy towards russia has been succeeding. >> and let's spell this out. there may be viewers who say so what about pulling 12,000 troops out of germany. the issue here of course is that our troops in europe are there to support our allies generally speaking and to give us certain advantages by being positioned in europe. but after russia went into crimea our nato allies, which by

the way the only time they've ever had to come to a member's defense is to america's defense after 9/11. we're very, very worried that america is giving up on an alliance that has kept the democratic world safe for over 75 years. >> yes. and they're still worried. and they should be worried. and it is important to remember peace through strength as ronald reagan said. if we keep things strong there we keep peace, but what i worry about especially after the election, you know, something happens, something happens in estonia, some ethnic russians kill some ethnic estonians on the border there and russia sends some special forces in to seek revenge, and then they go home. what happens when donald trump is president? does he say well we're going to go to war with russia? what happens when putin does no longer feel deterred by the president of the united states? and it doesn't help your deterrence posture when you're reducing troops in the nato

alliance instead of fortifying those troops. >> thank you for joining us, ambassador mcfaul. he was the ambassador to russia during the obama administration. thank you for joining us this evening. coming up next the president has sounded absolutely resolute about keeping federal agents on the scene of protests in portland, oregon. but today the governor of oregon has other ideas. she won a round and she joins us next to talk about it. a round as next to talk about it. rty mutua. they get that no two people are alike and customize your car insurance so you only pay for what you need. almost done. what do you think? i don't see it. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ at philof cream cheese.w what makes the perfect schmear you need only the freshest milk and cream. that one! and the world's best, and possibly only, schmelier.

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quote, it was like a kidnapping. that's how witnesses describe the scene that unfolded in manhattan yesterday evening. plain clothed nypd officers appeared out of nowhere grabbing a young protester off the street and forcing her into an unmarked car. when other bystanders rushed over to help uniformed police officers arrived on the scene to push back the crowd. the nypd said today the person they had apprehended was wanted for damaging police cameras. she was ultimately charged with a few misdemeanor offenses and released on what's called a desk

appearance ticket meaning she'll have to appear in court at a later date. law enforcement grabbing people from the street and sticking them into unmarked vehicles is a bad look these days. ates drawn comparisons to this. today new york city mayor bill de blasio responded say, quote, a lot of us have watched in pain what's going on in portland, oregon, and interest fact you see federal agents, federal troops clearly doing inappropriate things meant to undermine our democratic process. that's thuly unacceptable so anything that slightly suggests that is to me troubling and the kind of thing we don't want to see in this city. this is not portland. while mayor de blasio and other officials around the country continue to decry it hasn't stopped the president from deploying more federal agents across the country. today president trump announced more federal officers would be sent to cleveland, milwaukee and detroit. while forces are now being sent into some of those other sit

aesz some of them might soon be leaving portland. earlier today the governor of oregon released this statement saying in part, quote, after my discussion with vp pence and others the federal government has agreed to withdraw federal officers from portland. they've acted as an occupying force and brought violence. starting tomorrow all customs and border protection and i.c.e. officers will leave downtown portland. our local oregon state police officers will be downtown to protect oregonians right to free speech and keep the peace. while the acting secretary confirmed that an agreement had been reached he said the department would pull back only once it is clear that federal properties are no longer under attack. but governor brown said the federal tactical teams will begin a phased withdrawal starting tomorrow. joining us now is the democratic governor of oregon, kate brown. governor brown, thank you for being with us. it's great to have you on the show tonight. let's discuss this. there seems to be some lack of clarity or disagreement between what you are reporting to be

happening and what the homeland security secretary is reporting to be happening. what can you tell us about what we expect tomorrow and in the coming days? >> the plan is very, very clear. federal authorities agreed to withdraw border patrol, customs and i.c.e. officers from the streets of downtown portland starting tomorrow afternoon. it is definitely a phased withdrawal, and our oregon state police, our very own troopers will be keeping the peace. ensuring that oregonians can exercise their right to free speech and protecting our communities. this was clearly a failure. i'm greatly concerned that the trump administration wants to rep replicate this failed experiment in other parts of the united states. what happened there's absolutely no question that the presence of federal officers in our streets ignited the violence. it caused chaos and confusion

and became extremely destructive. and frankly, made a challenging situation even worse. >> did you get any acknowledgement of that from the vice president, from the homeland security secretary? and what did you have to give up to get this deal? >> look, what was really clear is that this was a political strategy. it was not about problem solving. it was purely about political theater and scoring points with trump's base. and clearly their political strategy has backfired. they are leaving. trump's troops are leaving the city of portland, and that's a very good thing. >> talk to me about what your state police officers are going to do now. when you talk about protecting the right -- peoples first amendment right to protest and keeping the peace, what does that look like? is that a new set of

instructions that state police have, is it a discussion you've had with your authorities about how that's going to look? >> yes. what is very, very clear our directed our oregon state police superintendent to de-escalate the situation, that it is very important to me and to oregonians that people be able to exercise their right to protest, their right to free speech. and the goal is to de-escalate and calm down the city and hopefully keep everyone safe. >> one would hope that just this agreement, just the departure of the federal troops which a number of reports and our reporters on the ground have indicated has escalated tensions might solve some of that problem. what's the mood going to be when it's not federal agents or whatever you want to call them that people are protesting but it's your police officers? do you think that fundamentally that will be less aggressive?

>> yes. i think there's no question that the presence of federal troops on the streets substantially esclalt esclae escalated the tensions and sowed the seeds of violence and destruction. it is my hope that with the departure of these federal troops that we can turn our attention to the work right in front of us, the really important work of tackling racism in our policing system, in our justice system that we need to cocreate and reimagine a public safety system that centers the voices of black and african-american oregonians. and this is work we need to do together collectively and collaboratively. >> governor kate brown of oregon, it's great to have you here. thank you and good luck. we'll be following closely the developments in oregon over the course of the next few days. governor kate brown of oregon. >> coming up next the point of a

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discrimination policy designed to encourage local governments to combat the kind of housing discrimination that trump himself was once accused of. here's what the president said, quote, i'm happy to inform all of the people living their suburban lifestyle dream that you will no longer be bothered or financially hurt by having low income housing built in your neighborhood. don't worry, suburban voters, donald trump isn't going to let any low income renters bother your pristine enclaves. that less than subtle message was the latest iteration of trump's recent fixation with america's suburbs and who gets to live in them. here's the president speaking to supporters at a telerally yesterday. >> they want to abolish and really hurt the suburbs because under their plan -- under a plan that's very much agreed to by them they want to make it worse. they don't mind it low income housing is built in a neighborhood in a beautiful suburb of were you, but a

beautiful suburb anywhere in the country. this has been going on for years. obama made it much worse, and now they want cory booker to run that program. cory booker of new jersey to run that program. >> i don't think i need to tell you what the president is doing there. there should be no question about it at this point. i also don't need to explain to you why donald trump is trying to make this election about the suburbs the way he tried to make the last two national elections about radical islamist terrorism or migrant caravans. the question i do have is if this is the kind of message trump is trying to send to his base three months out from an election what's he really going to do when he runs out of runway say at the end of october? joining us now is the senator the president invoked in that clip i just played, democratic senator cory booker of new jersey. good to see you. this is definitely the weirdest reason i've ever interviewed you. must gall you to get roped into i don't know want to call it a

dog whistle because it's not a dog whistle. dog whistles imply only dogs can hear it and we can all hear it. >> i don't know why he invoked my name in it. what hurt about that i think with a lot of americans is because we are a country where most of us really do believe we have common cause and singular destiny and we do not want a president trying to pit us against each other or whip up fear a ys you call it a racial g whistle. i call it race, period. and the other thing is very personal. i'm literally sitting here right now because when my parents tried to move from this city to the suburbs in new jersey every time they would show up to look at houses real estate agents would lie to them and tell them the house was sold already or pulled off the market.

and it was a group of suburban new jerseyens, black and white, christian and democrat that said this is not going to work. and on the house i grew up in on the day of closing the white couple father brought in a volur lawyer. eventually we moved into this town and integrated it. and because of the commitment of this country and so many of our citizens, in this case in the suburbs to our ideals. so donald trump is representing the views that he has held clearly as your lead-in showed, that he's been accused of holding for a long time. i'm sorry. that dog won't hunt, and this country is not going to allow him to be re-elected. >> but that dog hunted for a long time. >> oh, my god, yes. >> and your story is exactly what donald trump is trying to warn people in america's suburbs about. he tweeted a couple weeks ago

about they will come into your neighborhood and rue bin your property value. who is "they"? he's saying the things that people are thinking. there are people in suburban america today who are worried about this very story you just told me. >> well, again, there is racism in this country, and there will always perhaps be. and you have to remain ever vigilant against racism and bigotry and anti-semitism. those are human conditions. but the ideals of this nation speak to something different. this is the contest before us. and it is a deep contest. this whole ideal that so many of us believe in, the love thy neighbor is what is at stake here. and this is a property that not only is about racism but he mistakes wealth for worth. so this is a moral moment. this election is not a referendum on donald trump. it is a referendum on who we are and who we are to each other,

what do we stand for? i do not think anymore this election donald trump is making it that. it is no longer about left versus right. it is about right versus wrong. we have done so much. tomorrow i will be going to the funeral of john lewis. we have done so much to drag ourselves forward out of the dark value of despair of racism. i believe this could be an election where we take another strive forward and reject this racist politics once and for all. that's what's at stake here before us. i know we are a better country than donald trump is. >> what do you make of the testimony yesterday by attorney general william barr when he was talking to congresswoman sheila jackson lee about systemic racism in the police department. he said i don't agree there is systemic racism in the police department. how do you interpret that? >> i interpret it as ignorance, frankly. i'm tired of it.

saying there is systemic racism doesn't say that police departments all across america are overtly racist. i ran a police department. that's not the case. but when you have a situation time and time again where african-americans, no difference between using drugs or dealing drugs tend to get longer sentences. two people, black and white, gave them the same exact business credentials, same exact background, sent them into banks and they got dramatically different treatment. we are in a nation right now that has to come deal with the systemic racism that exists everywhere from our health care systems all the way to our criminal justice system. and for our head of or highest ranking law enforcement officer not to recognize what so many police officers, former fbi directors, big city police chiefs admit, the challenges we

have in this country with implicit racial bias and with systemic racism, if you can't admit it, it makes it hard to deal with it. that was a very frightful moment to me. i'll be frank with you. when he came to see me, i got a chance to talk to him before he went for his confirmation, i used most of my time to impress upon him we live in a nation with a savagely different system. we even have a criminal justice system as brian stevenson says that treats you better if you are rich and guilty than if you are poor and innocent as we have seen most recently with some of the people that donald trump has pardoned. >> senator, it is good to see you again. thank you for joining us. senator corey booker. okay. we have one more story for you tonight. we will be right back with it. stay with us. stay with us ♪

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if an amateur connoisseur, you are probably seen this painting. it is the famous persistence of memory, also known as the melting clocks. if you tilt your head and squint a little, it sums like what it is like to live in lockdown in this pandemic, but that's another story. you may also know this story. it is called the chest. it strikes the eyes as a sort of a social distancing nightmare.

that masterpiece you are looking at sold in 2014 for a whopping $7.5 million. but the information congressional investigators have learned about that sale, well, that is priceless. in 2014 after vladimir putin took the crimea peninsula from ukraine, obama retaliated. two brothers used to be putin's judo sparring partner before he made him and his brother two of the richest men in russia. today after two years of investigation, they turned up in a report released by the bipartisan senate permanent committee on investigations showing how they and other oligarchs invaded u.s. sanctions and laundered money by buying and selling high-end art work, including that paintpainting.

it later ended up in storage for a while before making its way to moscow. there might already be more laundered money hiding in the u.s. art industry which remains largely unregulated and often offered anonymity to both buyers and sellers. a subcommittee staffer called this discovery likely only the tip of the ice berg. as rachel would say if she were here, watch this space. that does it for us tonight, we will see you again tomorrow. now it is time for "the last word" with my friend lawrence o'donnell. >> we have two women joining us tonight who we always welcome to this show. one is congresswoman who was in the room yesterday with louie gohmert who we now know has the coronavirus. there is a lot to talk about what happened in that room