just a little bit. you can read the newsletter at signup.axios.com. that does it for me, i'm yasmin vossoughian. "morning joe" starts right now. i can't help but wonder if by keeping a mask on, keeping it in place, i might have put some germs, some of the virus onto the mask and breathed it in, i don't know. but i got it. we'll see what happens from here. >> you don't get it from the mask, actually. >> louie. >> you don't get it from the mask. you wear the mask so you don't give it to other people. >> but congratulations on walking around louie not wearing masks, doing the thing doctors tell you will give you the coronavirus. >> and spread it. >> and spread coronavirus. and then getting it. and then blaming it on the mask.

it's a public service for americans. >> we hope he's okay. wondering if masks caused him to contract the coronavirus. >> i know and like low wuie and hope he's okay. but even after he's gotten the coronavirus and walking around capitol hill without a mask, which is how he got coronavirus, even after his staff is complaining to politico that he's operating in a dangerous way and forcing them to be in the office and mocking and ridiculing anybody who wears a mask, he goes on and can't just say you know what, i need to wear a mask. and now, he's -- it's like right out of plandemic where he's trying to blame the wearing of the mask for what he gets.

this is what jake sherman put, from the office, jake, thank you for letting our office know louie tested positive for the coronavirus. when you write your story can you include the fact that louie requires full staff to be in the office including three interns so that we could be an example to america on how to open safely. when probing the office you might want to ask how often people were berated for wearing masks. this is such simple stuff, willie, and it's staggering to me that the republican party, elements of the republican party have decided with coronavirus deaths now over 150,000 in florida and california and texas reaching all-time highs for deaths that some people still continue to act like complete and utter fools and you can go on facebook with people you can know and are angry because

plandemic, a conspiracy theory every bit as stupid but more dangerous than pizza gate was not allowed on television this past weekend. the idiocy is mind boggling and the idiocy kills. >> we've reached a point, we've known it for a while, where conspiracy theories, disinformation and bad stuff that used to live in dark corners has been elevated. the president of the united states retweets them. and you have louie who we hope is okay. but he's a leader, not just a leader in his office, in his district, his state, people know him nationally, they're going to look to him, and if he says don't wear a mask, and suggests that he got it from maybe wearing a mask, it's not a mystery why we are where we are. jonathan lemire you were on the trip with president trump yesterday to texas.

louie gohmert was supposed to go on air force one and travel with the president, he was pulled back with the diagnoses. what did the president, the white house think about louie saying yes, i have it but i think i got it from wearing a mask and hearing from staffers who say they were berated for wearing masks around the office? >> the congressman only learned that he had a positive test because he was going on this trip with the president. if you're traveling with the president, going to be in close quarters with the president, you need to be tested. so he came in the white house in the morning to be tested and that's when they caught the positive diagnosis. because the congressman had not been getting tested. he had not been wearing a mask as discussed and yesterday when he informed some of his staff that he had the coronavirus, he did so in person, not wearing a mask. which is exactly, of course, what you're not supposed to do. the white house staff, they were

surprised, they were glad that it was caught, of course, but we should note a few things -- the president did call the congressman from air force one to check on him. the but the president was maskless, he had a fund-raiser in odessa, texas, went to nearby midland, texas, for a speech and painted the democratic party in dark tones. the president did not wear a mask, only some of the senior staff did at the event. at the fund-raiser where people were crowded into a hotel ballroom to talk to him, we passed them on the way in line, they weren't wearing masks and at the energy rig itself, only some gathered in a tent only open on one side, only a few of those people also wearing a mask. so in terms of tone setting, the

president still inconsistent at best in terms of social distancing and wearing a mask. >> i saw over this weekend, i saw somebody snap a picture of a kansas event -- campaign event that showed a lot of people crowded around and the reporter said this is the first time i've been out of the bubble in a while to see this, and this is surprising to me. actually, the reporter was not the one in the bubble. the people in the bubble are those that think they can keep congregating in rooms tightly without the risk of infecting themselves, their loved ones, those with underlying conditions. it is like nothing i've ever seen in my life. people so adamantly and oba nantly ignoring medical advice on a disease that's killed 150,000 people. at one time you heard it's only 30 or 40,000 people are going to

die. in april it was reduced to 60 to 70,000. we're up to 150,000 people and you still have, from the white house, just complete idiocy, you have the president running around doing fund-raisers without a wan talking about demons and other bizarre things, mocking masks, talking about hydroxychloroquine, which just about every other medical professional says, it does not work on this disease. it doesn't work. i don't know who's making money, right, but follow the money. >> you have to ask that question. >> we said it from the very beginning, follow the money. for somebody to continue to bring up hydroxychloroquine, you have to ask, what's the money connection? because it makes no sense to continue to push a drug as the president continues to do, that doesn't work. that every medical professional

says, doesn't work. that the top scientists in america say doesn't work. it continues p. one thing again, masks, catty kay, you have louie claiming that his mask caused coronavirus is like saying the aspirin, the advil, caused my headache. it's just complete, absolute lunacy. yet you have the president of the united states running around retweeting people saying masks don't matter, the president of the united states holding fund-raisers in crowds not wearing a mask. and republicans on the hill still just acting asinine about it. you have a chief of staff mocking reporters, you sure do look funny. are they going to continue this strategy through the fall to ensure that donald trump loses

by over 400 electoral votes and the senate is completely wiped out? because being a dumb ass on a national pandemic has proven to be a bad political strategy for the party of donald trump. what does dr. anthony fauci say about all of this? >> yeah. i had a chance to spend half an hour speaking to dr. anthony fauci yesterday, he was categorical we should be wearing a mask, the president should be wearing a mask, everybody should be wearing a mask in public. i asked about the president retweeting the doctor who said you don't need to wear a mask. he said it's not helpful. he did a lot of media yesterday, specifically with the aim it seems to me, countering the message what position are we in where the top doctor has to go out and spend the whole day talking to the press in order to

get the message out that is different than what the president is tweeting about. he is frustrated. he says his job is stressful because of the politics he's having to deal with, partly. here's the news from the interview i did with the interview with dr. fauci yesterday. the increasing evidence is the mask protects the wearer not just the person around the person protecting the mask. if i wear a mask, there is now growing evidence that i'm also protected -- they don't know the degree of protection i'm getting -- but it could diminish the severity of the illness or stop me from getting the virus. there's no reason anyone would want to wear a mask. but for dr. fauci, who's five months into this, and living on fumes as he tells me, dealing with the politics of this makes it harder to do the medical side of this and beat the pandemic.

>> the truly infuriating part of this is there's a parallel universe where four months ago, donald trump came out and said we have to wear a mask and then in four months we get to get back to school, reopen sports. he's doing it for vain reasons, reasons of freedom. freedom comes when everything opens again. and everyone comes on by saying we're not trying to take away your freedom by wearing a mask, we're trying to return your freedom. that's an easy case to make and i don't know why the president didn't make it from the beginning. >> it would have been in his best interest to take care of the health care crisis, economic crisis takes care of your political crisis, and yes, wearing a mask is the easiest thing you can do. if you're around a group of

people, wear a mask, go inside, wear a mask. in a restaurant no, you can't wear a mask the entire time but you can wear it surrounded with people who aren't your family or your close friends who -- >> i can't believe we have to say this. >> this is not hard and donald trump knows it's not hard. the republicans know it's not hard and i don't know what they're trying to prove. did our founders and did men and women who fought for this country to keep it free for 240 years, did they do it to guarantee the right of people to be stupid to infect themselves and infect others -- >> get sick and die? >> -- i don't understand how they look at the constitution, the founding documents and say if i wear a mask, that is going to undermine everything. no, it's just ridiculous, you wear a mask to protect yourself. if you are around other people, if you are in large groups, if you are at fund-raisers, if you

are inside, if you -- like wear a mask. and mika, for some reason, and i can't really figure this out and i've said from the very beginning of this administration, i can't figure out why this president continues to do things that damages him with the electorate. i can't understand why he continues to try to shrink his base. why he continues to do things that are so unpopular, whether you're talking about now on race, on the coronavirus, on so many different things. why does he -- it's like that -- why don't we talk about -- >> he's -- >> -- his tweet yesterday about the suburban american dream. a guy who's never been to the suburbs, has no idea what the, quote, suburban american dream

looks like, because maybe he saw "the wonder years," maybe he thinks he's talking to grown up kevin. but he's making, now, these blatantly racist overtures to white americans. again, 50 years too late. speaking to a world long gone. and tweeting them out. and again, another 80/20 issue. another issue where he's damaging his own political standing and just looking clueless. >> so we're going to have more on the mask issue later this morning. but keeping in mind masks, the simple use of masks is our last line of defense because he has botched every other line of defense in terms of mitigation through testing and everything else. it's as simple as it comes and he can't do it. let's bring in the host of politics nation and president of the national action network, reverend al sharpton.

joe mentioned trump's tweet of the suburbs. this was something yesterday. the "new york times" headlines sums up the latest fear mongering, quote, trump plays on racist fears of terrorized suburbs to court white voters. in a series of tweets yesterday afternoon, the president wrote in part, quote, i'm happy to inform all of the people living in their you suburban lifestyle dream that you will no longer be bothered or financially hurt by having low income housing built in your neighborhood. your housing prices will go up based on the market and crime will go down. i have rescinded the affh rule. he also spoke in texas. >> the suburbs, people fight all of their lives to get into the

suburbs and have a beautiful home. there will be no more low income housing forced into the suburbs. i abandoned and took away the rule, i've seen going on for years, there's been conflict for years it's been hell for sue bu -- subur suburbs. >> chris murphy tweeted our president is now a proud segregationist. he has become a parity of himself becoming a parity of himself. we are so many layers down of this man becoming a parity, it's baffling. this is george wallace, 1968.

this is george wallace, 1972. and i almost feel like when i say that i need to apologize to george wallace because i don't think george wallace was ever this clumsy and dumb in his blatant outreach on segregation. this is just pure segregation and the president is very proud of it. >> we've gone from dog whistling to dog barking now and hoping if he barks at the dog the dog will bark back. i think when you look at the fact that he is totally not only tone deaf, he's out of time in terms of being consistent with the time in which he's in. the white suburban is not there. and those that are there are not in the spirit of what he's talking about. but we're in the era of

gentrification where the white suburban is not the white suburban anymore. but this shows back to the 1970s when he and his father were sued by the federal government for housing discrimination. he has made a business and political career out of they are going to ruin your neighborhood, i will keep them out of your neighborhood. i will protect you from the blacks. and that's what he's going to hear in a blatant way with no cover saying they will ruin your neighborhood. it's all of that that comes with it, they are robbers, thieves, they'll rape your daughters, that's what he's messaging here. what's more offensive because those of us in the community that have known him are not surprised but it but what's so blatantly despicable, joe, he does it on the time we're

mourning john lewis, not only did he do anything to say how great john lewis was, he's going to use this period that we have three presidents on their way to john lewis' funeral, to blatantly play the race card and appeal to what he hopes are the white fears still there. this is as low as you can go. >> of course, willie, many people have compared him to george wallace and all the despicable things that george wallace said. but in the '68 and '72 campaign. you have trump stumbling around here trying to dog whistle. but it ends up, again, being a blaring horn. and as reverend al said, he just seems out of touch and clueless. he's like 50 years too late.

white flight happened back 50 years ago when he and his father were being sued by the federal government for discriminating against black people. >> yeah, this is the suburbs of leave it to beaver that still exists in the president's mind but doesn't exist today. it was less than two years ago that it was the suburbs that came out and voted against donald trump. the suburbs don't like the rhetoric they hear from donald trump, particularly this issue. it's unclear how he thinks this expands the map for him or wins another state or keeps a state he's going to need. yesterday we heard the president saying the suburban lifestyle dream, he'll keep it intact. he spoke last week of the suburban housewives of america. who is he trying to hold onto? who does he think it appeals to? >> these are decades old, out of date references from the

president. and according to the people i talked to, it is another play at trying to shore up his base of white supporters that he feels like they know, his campaign knows, they've been bleeding in in the suburbs for quite some time, recognized that was trouble for the republicans in 2018 and only gotten worse as the y the handling of the pandemic, and the killing of george floyd. so this is an attempt to shore up the support. it's of a piece with the law and order push what we saw in portland. yes, there is now an agreement to start drawing down some federal officers from there. but at the same time there's surges of officers in places like cleveland and milwaukemilw other cities as well. that is not aimed to win urban

support, that's to reassure nervous suburbanites, senior citizens, who don't like what they're seeing in the big cities. remember, the scenes are still pretty rare. but the president has leaned into the imagery. he has in the same speech in texas where i was yesterday. he talked about portland at length, talked about how joe biden is again under the control of the rad dal left wing elements of the democratic party that want to abolish american history, ruin american cities and suburbs. that's his picture, trying to reassure white suburban voters that their hometowns won't change. but his racial dog whistling, a political strategy that hasn't been working. no signs of any sort of recovery in the polls for him in these suburbs in states he has to win this november because right now he's facing significant deficits

across the board. >> reverend al, that's the thing that's so follow up moksing. this hasn't worked in the past, his lying about caravans of lepro si carrying news people -- news people, what a funny term, saying that people with leprocy were coming from mexico and going to the border and the president sending troops to the border trying to reassure white people he's going to keep the country as white as possible. it didn't work. largest landslide by vote in the history of this republic in a midterm election. then you look back at the polls since george floyd died, that killing, look at what happened after june the 1st when he stormed peaceful protesters in lafayette square so he could holds up a bible, all the numbers dropped.

this appealed to racism. this overt appeal to racism has hurt him repeatedly in the suburbs. i'm not talking about morality here. i'm not talking about what should be. i'm talking about hard ball politics. i'm talking about what is. and what is is a group of suburban voters who were offe offended and put off when a president makes overt appeals to racism and goes down in the polls. this president, though, even though he's surrounded by people who understand this is a losing proposition. the man can't help himself. he thinks it's 1973. >> absolutely. and to show that he just is out of it in many ways, is the politics, there is the evidence

there, as you cited from the midterm elections in 2018, the politics of it doesn't even work. i can't tell you, joe, the amount of people, white, who have stopped me that say, i live in the coast -- what we call the gold coast of new jersey, the nice homes sections, and i may have a different politics than you reverend, al, but i can't fathom how you justify a man's knee on a man's neck for 8 minutes and 46 seconds. i think it's an insult to the intelligence of the people he thinks he's appealing to that they would be on the other side of the questions being raised now. the questions being raised are criminal justice and police reform and things of that nature in that criminal justice space. he's appealing to them, talking about something that is not what these demonstrations are about, not what we're mobilizing about. we're talking about voting

rights as well as the criminal justice reform acts in washington. and he's still acting like aunt bea is still worried about someone moving into the neighborhood. aunt bea is not on television anymore, mr. president, and we have to stop pretending like this man is even in tune with what's going on in 2020. he's not. he's still watching "f troop" at night and waiting on aunt bea to finish with the apple pie. >> it's so incredibly backwards and politically self-destructive. you have to ask the question, what is this really for? still ahead on "morning joe," a big city mayor and top doctor team up for an op-ed entitled, "mask mandates won't work unless they are enforced" we'll talk to miami's mayor and dr. vin gupta

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willie, let's talk about the stop story not only of this day but probably the month, the year of 2020. great columnists, great authors they sort of hide the ball, don't always come out telling you what the most important issue is, you know the way i'm building this up, this has to be the most important issue facing western civilization and this year of 2020. and i speak, of course, of fighting joe kelly, who got an eight-game ban for not hitting a houston astro, for not hitting a houston astro, for striking a houston astro out and then walking off the field as they were talking to each other. an eight-game ban. and here you have the houston

astros, who cheated their asses off for years, beat your new york yankees when altuve was wearing a buzzer, grabbing his shirt saying i have a piece on, don't tear my shirt off. manfred and major league baseball knows that, knows how much they cheated. so none of these guys on the astros get a single game suspension but joe kelly gets eight for not hitting a ball player and then just talking to him. a little bizarre to say the least, isn't it? had. >> it is. two nights ago in houston, joe kelly the dodgers' pitchers threw one behind alex bregman, he said it slipped out of his hand, it went up and behind him. then you're seeing alex correa,

threw one up into him, didn't hit him, then they words for each other. remember the houston astros were caught cheating in 2017, the year they won the world series and who did they beat? the los angeles dodgers. so the dodgers feel like the astros stole a world series from them. the players that carried out the cheating for the astros are all on the field, they were playing in that game, and joe kelly throwing at, he said he wasn't, throwing behind, getting an eight game suspension. >> he doesn't have great control. you saw the post from his wife in the off season, he threw it behind the net and broke the kitchen window. joe kelly, who i love, has never

had the best of control. but seriously for them to ban him for eight games when he didn't hit a player. if he wanted to hit somebody, he would have hit somebody. it just really is outrageous. and again, altuve, i loved his work ethic, i loved all the astros, but for altuve so obviously to be wearing those buzzers and to say i have a piece on and don't tear off my shirt after eliminating the new york yankees a couple years ago when major league baseball knows what happened and they did nothing to him, it's outrageous willie. >> it is. they got lucky in some p respect, no good news coming out of a pandemic but there are no fans in the stadiums. the fans would have been ruthless, they knows they were

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and msnbc news contributor, also with us mayor francis suarez of miami. together they coauthored an op-ed in "the washington post," entitled "mask mandates won't work unless they are enforced". doctor, i want to start with you, every week checking in you come out of icu and give us an update, you've been treating covid-19 patients. i'm curious what you think you come out of work, still in your scrubs, pick up the phone and see the president retweeting a theory that masks don't work, you see a prominent congressman who contracted coronavirus, saying he may have contracted it from his mask. what do you think when you hear those things? >> good morning, willie. the first thing i think is how is the doctor that the president retweeted on the mask piece, on alien dna, how does that person

have a license? then i think what's the president thinking giving that information a platform. it's the reason the mayor and i have to write a piece like this. i'm sure the mayor would agree with me, we don't want to have to write a piece like this. right now, i'm caring for a group of people on ventilators because of covid-19. so this is real. deaths are spiking 24 states. the catastrophe that the mayor is having to deal with in miami because he has no state level leadership, it's all real. the common denominator is poor and irresponsible leadership when you think about what the gop congressman was doing, it's an incredible dereliction of duty. >> mayor you have a mask mandate

in the city of miami. how strictly are you enforcing that? if i'm walking down the street and don't have a mask on, what happens to me in miami? >> you are going to get a $100 fine. we have issued hundreds of tickets already. a second time you get another $100 fine. and a third time you get a notice to appear, which is basically an arrest. we have 39 police officers dedicated specifically and solely to issuing mask violations. we've also been closing businesses, we closed over 30 businesses that are not following the coronavirus guidelines that we set out for businesses, social distancing, have too many people, have maybe violated the curfew, et cetera. so we're taking this seriously. we think that the mask rule, in conjunction with closing businesses is the best measure we can take right now to get the numbers down. we're seeing some progress on the percent positive number,

which is declining at about 3/10 of a percent per day. yesterday was 15%. let me tell you, 15% is still extremely high. but we had, you know, for a very long period of time we had a two-week average of over 20%. so we are seeing some improvement since we implemented a mask in public rule. i just can't understand -- i agree with dr. gupta, i cannot understand why any elected official would not be very clear that wearing a mask in public is our best weapon right now combatting covid-19 in our community. >> dr. gupta, it seems to me that the numbers in florida breaking records now -- i don't know, how many months are we into this pandemic with 150,000 people dead -- it seems to me that this is malpractice. this is absolutely unacceptable. and correct me if i'm wrong, this absolutely did not have to

happen? >> mika, you're right. at what point do we, the people, have to tolerate failed leadership? why do we have to sit there and tolerate the inaction of governor desantis and helping mayor suarez keeping the people of miami safe. it's incredible that he still at the state level is messaging on schools reopening. credit to the mayor to say in miami we're not going to do that, we're putting a pause on it. what about pressing the president for point of care testing. this is on the president here. we need the defense production act to be mass producing point of care tests. i've been showing it on air, these tests you can get a result in 30 minutes, that's how you open schools safely, work places, how you open up universities. this is not just failure of state level leadership in florida, where governor desantis should be recalled, frankly, because he's not doing the right thing but this is also dereliction of duty, the

president not using the resources he has at his disposal the right now. >> and katty kay, you have ron desantis taking victory laps months ago for his recklessness and now we see florida is the hottest of hot spots and still seems clueless what he's doing. you have the president of the united states retweeting videos that talk about demon dna and mocking wearing masks. the president going into crowded fund-raisers last night not wearing a mask. >> yeah. i mean, you listen to the medical officials and it's so hard for them. they are trying to get one message out and all of these conflicting messages coming from the political leadership is really hard. mayor, you and i spoke about ten days ago you thought the situation in miami was so bad you might have to institute a

lockdown. do you think by having the mask mandates that you're enforcing in the city, d.c. has a mask mandate and a $1,000 fine, but i'm still seeing a lot of people without masks. do you think you can avoid the lockdown? >> that's what we're hoping for. we're monitoring the health care capacity. as dr. gupta said, the superintendent agreed not to open schools to inclass learning and pushed back the start date to august 31st. so in class learning won't start until the earliest october 5th. so we're hoping to have the recovery process. if schools would have opened we would have had 400,000 combination of children and teachers that would have flooded into our economy, if you will, and that could have had devastating effect. we saw what happened with the miami marlin, the small

outbreak, close the summer camps because we had children and counselors that were sick. if one child gets sick in a school, it could have dramatic ramifications not just for the school but the school systems. i commend the superintendent for not opening schools at the end of august because i don't think we're ready. >> no. not ready. could be ready, but not ready at all. mayor francis suarez and dr. vin gupta, thank you both. when donald trump talks about we have to open the schools, the democrats don't want to open the schools. no, everyone wants the schools open. and had you done it right, the schools would be opening. and right now our children are going to be stuck learning online or having to make a decision to stay away from their friends in school and learning 40% less. this could have been completely avoided. let's look at the legal aspect of this, dave aaronberg joins us

now. how exactly are mask mandates enforced and what are the specific legal mechanisms involved? >> at the state and local level a violation of an emergency order is a second degree misdemeanor, punishable by 60 days in county jail, all states have some version of this, so it's not whether governments have the power to implement it, it's whether they have the political courage to do so. that's why i applaud their op-ed because at the state level governor desantis will not do so unless the president tells him to do so. we have 67 counties in many florida and many more cities and it's up to them now to make these decisions. it's like the virus is supposed to stop at each county's border and fines and warnings are not good enough. you don't have the compliance you need unless you can threaten

the worse violators with the handcuffs. for me it's personal, three weeks ago i tested positive for covid. fortunately my case was relatively mild. i got through it, but it's given me a greater appreciation of the dangerousness of this virus. some days were really uneven and it's made me more determined than ever to deplore people to wear a mask. when you wear a mask it's about protecting others from you. the only way to get through this is if we come to the realization we must love thy neighbor as ourselves. >> i'm glad the case was mild and you recovered, happy to see you back here and looking and feeling healthy. we heard the argument, i know you heard it before, it's a violation of my freedom, you can't force me to wear a mask. we heard as we were talking about the congressman saying yesterday maybe the mask gave me coronavirus -- we should point out that's not true, no study

has shown that -- so what do you say to that argument, this is ma america i'm free to do what i please. >> i saw the comments and you can't prosecute people for making stupid statements but you can prosecute them for violating emergency orders. and as far as those that show up at commission meetings demanding they be allowed to sneeze on people, they never read the first amendment because your ability to swing your fists depends on where someone's nose ends. and they never show up in hurricane season when they're issuing mandatory evacuation orders, you would think this violates their first amendment rights. but this is about politics, they're on the side of president trump and they're politicizing this and putting everyone's

lives in danger. >> dave, thank you very much. one other note about florida, all state run covid-19 testing sites in the state are closing due to an approaching tropical storm. they'll close tonight and are not expected to reopen until tuesday. as the storm passes, the sites will reopen on a rolling basis. terrific. coming up the second ranking democrat in the senate dick durbin tells us his plans for the next relief package. "morning joe" is coming right back. f package. "morning joe" is coming right back

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i was deeply moved a couple of days ago when his chief of staff michael collins shared with me that the congressman was watching the news of america and proud of the leadership show in atlanta. so know when the good trouble continues know it's with the blessings of congressman lewis. >> in one of the last memorials before he is buried, the body of late congressman john lewis returned yesterday to the atlanta district he represented in the u.s. house for more than 30 years. moving through streets lined with people downtown, lewis' hearse paused briefly at a mural of him with the word hero. before lying at the georgia state capital to lie in repose. today, former president obama is expected to eulogize lewis.

and also expected to be in attendance are former presidents bill clinton and george w. bush. >> reverend al, the word hero and stardom have been attached all too often in our times to people unworthy of that title i can think of no one more entitled to be called a hero than john lewis. and it has been quite a journey over these past several days to see him move from washington d.c., the capitol, across the edmund pettus bridge, and now back to atlanta, georgia and his home district to have a hero's burial. >> absolutely. it really also gives us a journey of the battle in the united states around a question

of race, around a question of equality and around a question of fairness. and even as president -- former president obama will give the eulogy today, which i'm sure will be eloquent. if you read this morning's "new york times," john lewis wrote a message himself saying he wanted it published the day of his funeral. he wrote a eulogy that sums it up, he challenges those of us in the generations behind him to pick up that mantle and make things happen and fight for things. what really made the movement that john lewis was a part of and a leader in work was it did make change. they did get the civil rights act of '64. they did get the voting rights act of '65. they did get the open housing act of '68. and those things are threatened

now. the voting rights act, i remember sitting in the courtroom when they had the oral arguments at the supreme court and i sat there with reverend jesse jackson, who mentored me, john lewis across the aisle from us when they had the oral argument that ended up taking out section 5. we need to answer that with the john lewis voter rights bill that's in front of the congress right now that the senate won't listen to because mcconnell won't put it there. when we hear the tweets of donald trump playing to the suburban white that no longer is there but trying to stoke fears, that's the antithesis of the open housing act of '68. so with john lewis in his last eulogy, last statement says don't just mourn me, pick up the baton and keep fighting because the things that i helped to get done are being threatened now, and we cannot mourn him and not have a movement to preserve the

things that he and others established and we need to go forward on. >> that op-ed just posted to the "new york times." john lewis, as reverend said, asked the times to take it and publish it on the day of his funeral, and here we are. rev, we were talking about sunday's scene across the edmund pettus bridge showing the ark of history where alabama state troopers stood and saluted the casket of john lewis, 55 years after he was beaten by troopers on that same bridge. you have to think about what's going to happen at the church this morning in atlanta, which is the country's first black president will eulogize john lewis. and john lewis said at president obama's inauguration said it was an out of body experience, we never imagined when we crossed that bridge or spoke at

washington we'd get our rights but i never thought i'd get to see a black president. >> it's going to be a great scene. for me, the night that president obama won we had a watch night service at ebenezer, where john lewis is going to be buried. and john lewis came that night. we were in the church the night together that obama won and i was privileged to march behind president obama and john lewis across that bridge. so when they bring him across ebenezer today and the reason ebenezer is historic is it was the home church of martin luther king, it's bringing home one who fought the battles and won the battles. so it's a victory, a triumph and the result of those triumphs, barack obama the first and only, so far, black president shows that the battles were not in

fei vain. >> reverend al sharpton we thank you so much as always for being with us and your moving memories of john lewis. i also -- rev, willie and i want to commend you, just a flurry of pop culture references. you left out only three earlier. you did bring in f. troop, you get extra points for that, but "leave it to beaver," "hogan's heroes" and "the donna reed show" are also answers we would have been accepting. >> and i forgot to tell you, opie is going with me to the next black lives matter march. >> thank you, rev. >>. we have mike barnicle, opinion writer at the boston globe, kimberly atkins. and political reporter for "the washington post," robert costa, the moderator of washington week

on pbs. and the bbc's katty kay and the associated press' jonathan lemire still with us. we've been talking about it for an hour now, off and on, donald trump's continued erratic approach to the coronavirus. there were a few people that made the mistake last week of talking about a new tone, like a new nixon, a new tone for donald trump because he actually read a script for five minutes about the coronavirus last week. but, of course, over the past several days he's been retweeting articles about hydroxychloroquine and talking about it, articles by people talking about demon dna that mock masks. holding fund-raisers in crowded rooms without wearing a mask. what can you tell us about what you're hearing from inside the white house?

how they're trying to manage this president and his chaotic approach to a pandemic that's killed over $150,000 -- 150,000 people and really is impacting the state of florida, state of arizona, state of california? >> joe, i don't use that t word, tone, i don't write about the t word, tone, because as a political reporter, tone doesn't matter. what matters in politics is action. what are people doing? how are they using their power? and jonathan lemire and i were covering president trump all day yesterday in west texas. you see a president in the middle of the coronavirus pandemic going to his political base, his core voters in west texas, rallying them with a gop luncheon, reporters weren't in the room. then going to an oil rig and talking about the suburbs. so he was rallying his base and they lined the streets to greet his motorcade in west texas but

what he was really doing with his message was speaking to white suburban voters in places like dallas and houston because that's where the election in texas and other states is going to be won. he's not running, essentially, against vice president biden. what was notable about his speech yesterday is how much he -- with his message wants to run against representative alexandria ocasio-cortez. the scene in portland, oregon. not necessarily vice president biden who's beating him in the polls. he's almost trying to create a different enemy. >> jonathan lemire, you look back at the dallas suburbs that the president was playing to yesterday two years ago the president was punished. conservative republicans like pete sessions were defeated in districts that i never would have guessed a democrat would have won in 10 years ago. a strategy that depends on

racism, not even latent racism but overt racism. it has proven itself to be a losing strategy. talk about the disconnect between his staff members, people on the campaign, and donald trump himself because those staff members have been saying for the past week or so they understand his only pathway back is not racism. his only pathway back is in handling the coronavirus correctly, and the man, for whatever reason, the man just can't help himself. he always returns to worse form. >> no question, joe, those around him, his top advisers say to him, you have about 100 days out. this is an election that's going to be a referendum on your response to the pandemic. to this point we'll see the americans are giving him a failing grade.

they feel there's still time to change that, show the economy bouncing back, take a more somber approach. we saw last week, as bob said we don't talk about new tones i was on here last week saying i wouldn't give credit for that. he did seem to read talking points, sticking to the script. the white house talking about the health part of this, not just the economy. but the president doesn't stay on that message long, he goes back to the cultural touch stones. many of those around him didn't want him fighting about the confederate flag they didn't want him describing the coronavirus as the hong kong flu or other things like that. they feel like that's unnecessary. they done understand the constant play to the base always. but that's the president's one move, his reflex i've strategy, push it's not enough to win the election. to bob's point, we were discussing this year, that is

what the president is trying to do, he thought in february he was running for re-election on the back of a strong economy but also face a liberal opponent in bernie sanders or elizabeth warren. instead, the economy got crushed and joe biden with his come back in south carolina emerged as a more moderate democratic choice. what he's trying to do now is it paint biden to be under the control of the aocs of the world, the bernie sanders. he tries to link him to movements like defund the police, even though joe biden said he doesn't support that. and so far, his aides feel like there's some traction there, they can make some dent in biden's approval ratings but more than everything this is an election won or lost on whether the president is deemed to have dealt with the pandemic effectively. >> it does see the trump

campaign taking an argument that they were going to make about bernie sanders placing it on joe biden, who is a completely different candidate than bernie sanders. so when they say he's a vessel or tool of aoc and the radical left, that label doesn't fit for most voters who watched joe biden for nearly 50 years who hear him say we're not going to defund the police we need to reform the police but they need more money for that. they say we're not tearing down statues of george washington. when he said the other day if you're looting and rioting, in portland beating people up you ought to be arrested. so the message, he could be sucked into some of that from the radical left but he hasn't shown he will be. the case that the trump campaign is trying to make, it appears by looking at the polls across the country isn't working in joe biden's case. >> it's not. and it seemed pretty clear from the beginning that the president

would fight against this almost mythical, radical left opponent, regardless of who won the democratic primary. that was the playbook that was in the making throughout the primary season. and so, the fact that joe biden emerged at the end did not change that. but you're absolutely right. it's a narrative that just doesn't seem to fit the candidate in joe biden. and it's also a narrative that doesn't seem to fit this moment. donald trump was clearly thinking that by this time the -- right on the eve of the general election season going into full swing that there would be this fear about far left democrats. that there would be this sort of internal battle within democrats that he could try to exploit. what has happened with the pandemic, with the calls for racial justice, and certainly

with the economy being in peril, is that that's not the narrative at all. when you think about the president running for re-election, the basic question he wants voters to answer is, are you better off than you were four years ago, and by no objective measure can you say in the united states with tens of millions of people having lost their jobs in the last few months with schools announcing day after day after day that they cannot reopen in the fall and therefore their parents cannot go back to work, with the economy teetering perilously and people about to lose their unemployment enhancement tomorrow that people are better off right now, so donald trump is instead running against the boogie man, trying to rally up the sort of racist support that you were talking about last hour, trying to convince his supporters that up is down and he's somehow doing a good job because that seems to be the only play to try to keep the support that he has left from

eroding. >> and the question is, who's he doing it for? because it's not helping his campaign. so what's his goal? a lot of people have a lot of questions that ultimately go back to russia. now the biden campaign announced it is now expanding its paid media ads into ohio, its ninth battleground state. let's bring in mike memoli with more on that. what do you got, mike? >> reporter: when i covered joe biden in the 2008 and the 2012 campaigns there was one state he visited more than any other, the state of ohio, barack obama carried it, in 2008 it was the state that put him over when he won re-election. but we saw it swing dramatically towards president trump. and a lot of democrats thought ohio might be out of reach for the party this election.

the biden campaign doesn't agree and they're expanding advertising with a seven figure buy in ohio with a message you're seeing for the first time here on "morning joe." let's take a look. >> scranton is a long way from wall street. you won't find sky scrapers or big city bankers, just hardworking people that make this country work. that's where joe biden's story starts, in working class neighborhoods where you could make a good living and pass on a better life to your kids. that's why joe biden went into public service to begin with, to make a difference for working families. donald trump he ran for president for himself and for his friends on wall street. for donald trump it's about those at the top. for joe biden it's about the backbone of this nation, working families. this crisis has revealed we must do more for workers and small businesses, not the wealthy. and joe biden is the one to do

it. to build back better. >> i'm joe biden and i approve this message. >> now the significance here goes beyond the battleground map. you see it in the message there. this is a biden campaign that feels it can go on the offense on the issue that the president and his campaign thought would carry him to a second term, that's the economy. it comes as the trump campaign is going dark on the airwaves in another key battleground state of michigan. >> okay. >> and it's interesting, mike memoli, we -- and get to mike barnic barnicle, i'd love to hear your take on this too. we've been hearing for some time from jonathan lemire and others that many in the trump campaign feared that michigan was moving out of their column. so you're saying they're going dark now in michigan right as

biden starts to go aggressively into the state of ohio. mike memoli, is a biden campaign feeling more comfortable about michigan being nailed down, is that why they're moving onto ohio? >> they're still on the air in the state of michigan. there are six core battleground states they've been on the air consistently now for the last few weeks. a $30 million paid media campaign in the last two weeks that includes the state of michigan. what's significance is they have the money to really begin to spread the map here a little bit, for the first time we're seeing unprecedented and challenging campaign out raising an incumbent president two months in a row, began to eat into the advantage in terms of cash on hand. this is a campaign because it's not spending money elsewhere, we don't see a candidate traveling, that saves money. they paired back on expenses you would see in a typical campaign

and so they're able to make these investments, joe, and put the trump campaign on its heels. >> the trump campaign is obviously back on its heels. michigan going poorly. wisconsin, of course, seems to be, for now at least, in joe biden's camp. state of florida as well. but you have states, like mike said, like ohio, where most of the polls show that race is a dead heat. texas, a dead heat in the last four or five polls over the past month. georgia has been a dead heat in most polls over the last month or so. arizona is a state where joe biden has been ahead anywhere from three points to seven, eight, nine points. those are four states that just six months ago were considered, comfortably, in donald trump's

camp. they could count those votes up and not have to campaign hard now. and here we see now that these trump-leaning states now are -- are -- i mean, it's going to be pitched battlegrounds between now and election time. it's bad news for the trump campaign. and worse news for republicans. >> well, you just mentioned the key element in all of this, joe, six months ago. kimberly atkins who was just speaking to this, used the refrain that ronald reagan began with years ago, are you better off today than you were four years ago. all the biden campaign has to rely on now, in addition to joe biden himself, the candidate, the man, the human being, is the refrain, are you better off today than you were in march? because the element of loss in this country is playing a role in every single state that we have talked about this morning.

and it's jarring to think about it. we have 150,000 americans dead. we have four and a half million americans infected, by far the largest number in the world of any country in the world. and within that framework, we have a president of the united states who seems unable to speak about what loss means to families in this country. loss has a ripple effect. 150,000 casuallities that has a enormous ripple effect, mothers, fathers, sons, sisters, ripples in families. you have the economic effect, people are losing their homes, being evicted from their apartment soon, they're about to lose their unemployment composition of $600 that is enormously life saving to them. yet the president of the united states is unable to articulate what it means to lose so much

hope and so much substance in your life. instead, he tweets about affordable housing and the fear of black families living next door to you. that is far from the minds of most people who feel victimized by his incompetence. joe? >> and for a president who's trying to solidify his base, who's been obsessed with that for quite some time, at least the republicans that i used to know, at least the conservatives that i eused to know were very concerned about america's national security at home and across the globe. here we have a president that abandoned our kurdish allies in syria and turned syria over to vladimir putin. here we have a president who basically gave vladimir putin a free hand in crimea, basically said it was his if he wanted it. here we have a president who's been withdrawing troops and has

been talking about withdrawing troops from germany, one of our closest nato allies. if you look at the history of the cold war, our most lowell cold war ally, who was on the front lines of that badttle and they were extraordinarily loyal to us and donald trump continues to look at nato as some sort of protection racket, not understanding the history of it and what we lose when our alliances with germany fray. >> the defense department is trying to portray this as a strategic realignment, bringing troops back to germany, some will be redeployed to injury and others moved from germany to other european locations. but the president undercuts that

message when he attacks germany and angela merkel specifically around the issue of nato and the amount of money that germany pays in the defense budget. and he makes it sound like germany owes nato money. nobody owes nato anything. the target is to pay 2% of the gdp, germany is not there yet. but he makes it personal with angela merkel and germany. but the republicans are saying this doesn't help america. this is troubling and the beneficiary of all of this is russia. russia wants to destabilize nato, wants to destabilize america's relations with europe, is very happy to see european unity and transatlantic unity undermined in this way. and it's hard to see what

america gains out of this, not a huge amount of saving, there's been a reinvestment in military installations in germy. the troops will go to other locations so you have to pay for that. all it really seems to do is destabilize transatlantic relations, nato. who likes that? president putin. >> and bob costa, time and again, whether you talk about withdrawing troops from germany, whether you talk about withdrawing support for the kurds, so vladimir putin in effect takes control of the future of syria, even though the soviet union and russia were kept out of the middle east since 1973, now under president trump vladimir putin has a foothold in the middle east. even the bounties we learned

about over a month ago. donald trump continues to call it fake news, continues to suggest that the intel communities got it wrong when the state department itself issued a warning to the russians over those same bounties. this is a president who is not even aligned with his own intel community on russia or his own state department on russia. what in the world can traditional, conservative republicans, if there are any left other than liz cheney, what in the world are they saying about this continued retreat that only benefits vladimir putin? >> some of them are making scattered noise about this latest we have a of statements and policy decisions by the president. but joe, so many of them have confided to the post and others over the years, that they don't speak to the president about russia anymore, unless they're senator romney, who's way outside of the president's

circle, in the circle they don't talk to him about russia. because behind the scenes the questions about interference he ties it back due to the russia probe to questions about his own presidency's legitimacy, the two year investigation, it's a sensitive area for this president and the republican allies who want his friendship, support, his base's support, they don't bring it up. this is a boxed in president right now, to mike memoli's point, i remember four years ago when i would bring up advertising buys to then candidate trump he would shrug and dismiss with the idea of having to compete with advertising because he would schedule another rally in akron, ohio or the midwest or south, and he had these rallies at his disposal to counter advertising. now the entire campaign has been up ended. it's not about rally versus

advertising. it may come down to the advertisement versus advertisement due to the pandemic. >> thank you robert costa. still ahead on "morning joe," the discussions on all the issues surrounding reopening schools in the pandemic. and why now is not the time for students to meet in person. "morning joe" is right back. inn "morning joe" is right back. from prom dresses... ...to soccer practices...

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federal unemployment benefits are set to expire tomorrow. but negotiations on a new coronavirus relief bill have staled on capitol hill. a meeting between top white house officials and democratic leaders ended with no agreement on the moratorium on evictions or the $600 of weekly jobless payments, which some 20 million americans stand to lose. at issue is a short term fix on the benefits proposed by

republicans but shot down by democrats. the senate gop bill proposed $200 per week until states can put in a new system replacing 70% of wages before unemployment. however, democrats want to extend the jobless payment at its current level. kimberly atkins, the boston globe editorial board is weighing in on this debate. what are your colleagues writing? >> what the board wrote is essentially a takedown of the republican talking point that the $600 unemployment extension discourages people from looking for jobs. remember the reason we're at this impasse is that the republicans, on their side, were unable to coalesce around a counter offer to the democrats' $3 trillion package which included extending the $600 benefit, they want something less. the board found people who are

getting this benefit are getting it because they lost their jobs, they were laid off, they didn't walk away from them. and in order to keep the benefit you have to prove you're looking for work and you'll lose the benefit if you turn down work. this $600 isn't a handout. it kept roughly 10 million people out of poverty over the last few months. we're talking about keeping people afloat. it also helped the economy not completely tank at a time where that's an incredibly important point for this president and congressional republicans. so it really take away the sort of boogie man notion that people are free loading in the middle of this pandemic, the economic crisis, in that this is a lifeline to keep people in their homes, keep their families fed and above the above erthe pover line. let's turn to former white

house adviser and vice provost at the university of pennsylvania, dr. ezekiel manual. cohost of the podcast "making the call" and author of the new book "which country has the world's best health care". also with us physician at george washington university dr. lina wynn, she served as baltimore's health commissioner. both recently have written about the safety precautions they believe schools should take before reopening in the fall. i know you share the feelings of every parent in the country that you would like to get students back to school but you would like to do it safely. it's a tricky conversation because although people would like a one size fits all solution in school, opening a school in new york city right now is different than opening a school in miami or houston. you have to look at what's happening in the community before you can talk about the school. what are baseline things that

need to be done to open any school right now as you look at where we are in the crisis? >> there is no one-size fits all solution, but there are two general aspects that we should be looking at. one, the single most important thing, what is the level of community spread where that school is? it just does not make sense to open a school at a place where the infection is raging out of control. i wrote in "the washington post," if you have a community where one in 100 people are infected and a school of 1,000 people, that means that on day one you're walking in and ten people have covid-19 and are going to be able to spread it to others and you have a situation where we don't have enough testing. and if one student has a fever, say it takes 14 days for that test to come back, what are you going to do with everybody else in the classroom? do you also keep everybody home for 14 days, what about their parents, do you keep them home

for 14 days and not go to work, and their siblings. so what are the precautions that the school has been making, are they following the cdc guidelines? i fear many administrators will feel the pressure to reopen too soon without taking the safety precautions they need to. as a result our children and teachers and staff are going to be guinea pigs. >> doctor, you talk about there should be masks, distancing but there's the matter of getting kids to school. there's lunch and the playground, so much that surrounds the experience when we talk about schools. >> it's not just what happens in the classroom. actually getting to school on the school bus has problems, afterschool sports. contact sports especially

whether indoors or outdoors, as is band when children exhale indoors. so you have to think about the whole experience for students. i couldn't agree with lina more that community spread is your number one conversatio sid rati. it needs to be low. that means that a lot of places there's too much transmission and the first order of business is getting transmission down before you can open in-person schools. >> katty kay has the next question. >> thanks, mika. can i ask you about a report you have out for the center for american progress about production and distribution of vaccines because your warning that even though the vaccine trials are looking promising at the moment and we may have something towards the end of this year, it could be two

years, you're suggesting, before all americans can actually get access to a vaccine -- i did ask dr. fauci about this in my interview with him yesterday he thought the timetable is more likely middle of in next year. but why are you putting it out so long for production and distribution? >> when you think of all the steps you need. you need to produce the vaccine, you need to put it in glass viles with the stopper, that has to be done sterilely. you need to test it to make sure it's not infected, ship it out. then you need to get enough needles and syringes to inject it. you need people to actually inject it into americans. each one of those steps has a potential very large bottle next. do we have enough glass viles. corning makes glass viles and we need hundreds of millions of these, and they're specialized glass to regulate the

temperatures. what's call fill finish, put the vaccine in a glass vile it has to be at a facility 100 times more sterile than an operating room. we don't have enough of those finish lines, we need to build more lines and more capacity. each step has major hurdles and we think unless we have an effort to overcome all the hurdles simultaneously, it's going to delay getting shots in arms of americans. you need to immunize 300 million americans and maybe you need to do it twice inside of a month. that's 600 million shots you need to give in two months. that is a huge effort and we're nowhere near ready for that. we get 45% of american adults immunized with flu every year, that's short of 300 million people with this coronavirus vaccine. >> mike barnicle has the next

question. mike? >> dr. wynn, every parent knows that, you know, a child's safety is going to be put in peril in a school in these conditions. every parent knows that remote learning doesn't really do the trick for children but children need the socialization of schools as part of the process growing up. we talked about that a lot. but what we don't talk about in my view enough are the teachers. what about the teachers in these schools in what protocols are the teachers going to need in order for them to feel it's okay to go back into a classroom? >> mike, that's such a great question. you know, my mother was a long-time teacher in los angeles, and actually, for eight years she was undergoing chemo therapy, she was fighting cancer while she taught school full-time. and my mother has passed away, but i know that if she were

alive right now, she would want more than anything to be in class with her students because she knows that class and school is where kids belong for their educational development, social, cognitive, also for their health that in many of the places she worked and that i served in baltimore, that school was also their safe place, that school was where instances of child abuse for example were detected, children got treatment for their asthma. but at the same time we cannot put childrens' lives, their parents', grandparents' lives and teachers and staffs' lives at risk too. a study showed that one in four were at risk for covid-19 if they were exposed and the same precautions have to be put in place. the cdc laid out guidelines for what must be done, they are extensive and expensive. things like making sure there's air flow and ventilation,

physical distancing, preventing kids and teachers from con ge congregating. having ppe and sanitation supplies. we cannot take short cuts because we've seen what happens when we reopen too soon against a backdrop of surging infections when we take short cuts, we get large rises in infections and unfortunately people will die. >> doctors, thank you both once again for being on. and a reminder, dr. wynn's tips on the virus can be found each week at knowyourvalue.com. tips on masks, tips on talking about wearing masks, tips on covid and getting through this pandemic all helpful. let's bring in u.s. national editor at the financial times ed luce. ed's column this morning

entitled "a coronavirus vaccine could split america". ed, this is a new angle to the vaccine issue which could pose more challenges. tell us about it. >> thanks, mika. the numbers that you see, in terms of the polling of americans about how many people would be prepared to take a vaccine now is about 50% would definitely take it. of the remaining 50%, there are a large share who, for understandable reasons, are vaccine hesitant. partly because they're seeing the tremendous rush on the part of big pharma to get a vaccine to market. and they know that corners might be being cut. that is exacerbated by donald trump's embracing of all kinds of quack remedies. this hydroxychloroquine one will simply not die, disinfectant and others, of course, are also in

his repertoire. but then there is this hard core anti-saxer movement on the left and right. on the right it's been really metastasizing since the pandemic began. antivaxers are having a great pandemic. i think the real concern here is not the ability of american science, which is the best in the world to produce a vaccine, although there's some question about how quickly it can do it, the question is, can americans be persuaded in sufficient numbers, enough to get herd immunity, to take the vaccine. and unfortunately, like any other infectious disease, it thrives in a culture of mistrust. and this is nothing, if not a deeply mistrustful public culture right now. >> it's interesting that for donald trump, it seems that his

hail mary pass to win this election is, the people inside the white house say it, i'm sure jonathan lemire can speak to this better than me, but they talk about a vaccine, donald trump is hoping for a last minute vaccine that's going to make everything okay. this, of course, juxtapose that with the fact that some of his most ardent supporters are antivaxers, they're spreading around a piece of garbage. a piece of propaganda called plandemic, the gist of that conspiracy setheory is people le dr. fauci and these type of people have produced people that want to get rich off of vaccines. so the conspiracy theories in the sewage system of facebook, twitter, other media outlets all attack, it seems, the idea of a

vaccine somehow saving us. and i've spoken with several trump supporters that i know personally, and end the conversation by saying let's hope we get a vaccine soon and there seems to be skepticism to a person about taking any vaccine if you're a trump supporter. >> yeah, i think if you look at the -- i know it's the extreme end of the trump base but if you look at their world view, you're going to clearly get an anti-vaccine. a conspirator ya response to any vaccine that does come out. ironically, although the president has retweeted the friendly accounts 90 times since the pandemic began, that can ironically be very damaging to him. if some kind of vaccine does loom onto the horizon before november 3rd and we get an

october surprise where trump announces there is a vaccine, you know, go online and book your shot, everybody will be able to get one by the end of the year. if that happens to be true, which i think is probably i thi unrealistic, i don't think most americans are going to be taking president trump on trust. there is a cry wolf phenomenon that he said and recommended remedies so many times that have proved to be false and proved to be dangerous, then if a good one comes along, no one is going to believe him. >> and also, again, mika, on the other end of this, there is the skepticism coming from people who support donald trump, conspiracy theories, antivaxers, it's going to make donald trump's efforts to get his own supporters to take those v

vaccines even more difficult. there is an undercurrent of distrust among a huge part of his base. all you have to do is, again, go on facebook and read all the conspiracy theories to see why that is the case. >> ed lewis, thank you so much. and some news as we go to break, southern california experienced an earthquake just a short time al. preliminary reports put the magnitude at 4.3. nbc news koshts joling kent said she felt the shaking inside the nbc los angeles bureau about 20 mines from the epicenter. we'll be following that. keep it here on "morning joe." l. keep it here on "morning joe." 2. we'll be following that. keep it here on "morning joe." e. we'll be fbureau about 20 mines epicenter. we'll be following that. keep it here on "morning joe." a from the epicenter. we'll be following that. keep it here on "morning joe." b epicenter. we'll be following that. keep it here on "morning joe." t. keep it here on "morning joe."

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something that's just shattered the soul of, i think, most people in the city of angels, joe kelly's eight-game suspension. what is next, frogs raining from the heavens? >> it's an impressive way to get back to joe kelly. i think all of southern california woke up with that earthquake. mike barnacle, joe kelly, eight-game suspension. no one on the astros suspended for stealing a world series. what do you think? >> it's outrageous. it is outrageous. first of all, the last resort is one of the greatest sonks of all time. mlb won't tolerate what joe kelly did, but mlb has tolerated the miami marlins severely ignoring the protocols for ignoring the spread of covid-19 in locker rooms. come on, cut it out. >> come on, man. there is dmo more new frontier, mika. we have to learn to make it

here. we talked about joe kelly and quoted don henley. the hour is great. still ahead, we are awaiting some key economic data in the last hour, jobless claims, and what bloom berg calls the ugliest gdp report ever created. steve ratner will join us as the numbers cross in the next hour. plus, contrasting john lewis with the president who is using segregationist language to scare off votes. and this is video of congressman louis gomer, just a day before testing positive for the coronavirus. at tuesday's hearing with attorney general william barr, talking to colleagues, and wandering around touching everything, no mask. wiping his nose. he's all over the place and he's tested positive for the coronavirus. here he is. >> a run away beer construction. come on, louis. >> now he's saying that his

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i can't help but wonder if by keeping a mask on and keeping it in place that if i might have put some germs, some of the virus on to the mask and breathed it in. i don't know. but i got it. whole see what happens from here. >> no, you don't get it from the mask. >> louis, louis. no. >> you wear the mask so you don't give it to other people. >> but congratulations on walking around, louis. not wearing masks, doing the very thing that doctors tell you will give you the coronavirus -- >> and spread it. >> and spread coronavirus. and then getting it and then blaming it on the mask.

that's quite a public service. >> republican congressman louis gomer, which we hope he's okay. wondering if masks caused him to contract the coronavirus. >> oh, of course. i know louis and i like louis and i hope louis is okay, willie, but even after he's got continue coronavirus and even after he was walking around capitol hill without a mask, which is how he got coronavirus, even after his staff is complaining to politico that he's pating operating in a dang way, forcing them to be in the office and mocking and ridiculing anybody who wears a mask, he goes on and can't just say, you know what? i need to wear a mask. and now he's right out of plan-demic where he's now trying to blame the wearing of the

mask. this is what jake sherman put until the office of pm. jake, thank you for letting our office know louis tested positive for the coronavirus. when you write your story, can you include the fact that louis requires full staff to be in the office, including three interns so that, quote, we can be an example of how to open america properly, close quote. when probing the office, you might want to ask how often people were berated for wearing masks. this is such simple stuff, wully. and it's staggering to me that the republican party, elements of the republican party have decided with coronavirus deaths over 150,000 in florida and california and texas reaching all-time highs for deaths, that some people still continue to act like complete and utter fools. and you can go on facebook with people that you can know and are angry because plan-demic, a

conspiracy theory every bit as stupid but far more dangerous than pizza gate was not allowed on television this past weekend. the idiocy is mind boggling. and the idiocy kills. >> yeah. and we've reached a point, joe, we've known this for a while where conspiracy theories and disinformation and bad stuff that used to live in dark corners of the universe elevated. now they suggest which doctor solutions and you have louis gomer w gohmert, who we hope is okay, people are going on look to him. what does he do? if he says don't wear a mask and after shows no humility and suggests he got it from wearing the mask, it's not that much of a mystery why we are where we are. jonathan lamere, you are on the trip yesterday to texas.

louis gohmert was supposed to go on to air force one and he was pulled back with this diagnosesy. what did the president think and what did the white house have to say about getting the virus from the mask? >> the congressman was only learned that he had a positive test because he was going on this trip with the president. if you're traveling with the president, if you're going the be in close quarters with the president, and he would have been on air force once with us yesterday, you need to be tested. that's when they caught the positive diagnosis because congressman gohmert had not done this. he had not been getting tested. even yesterday when he informed some of his staff that he had the coronavirus, he did so in person. not wearing a mask. which is exactly, of course, what you are not supposed to do. the white house staff, i mean,

they were surprised, they were glad that it was caught, of course, but we should note a few things. and he president did call the congressman from air force one yesterday to check on him. but yesterday at this event, the president was maskless. he had a fund-raisers in odessa, texas, and we went to nearby midland texas. he went to an oil rig and delivered an energy speech and he painted the democratic party in dark, apocalyptic tones. the president did not wear a mask. and of his senior staff did at the event. at the fund-raisers were people were crowded into a hotel ballroom to talk to him. they weren't wearing masks. and at the energy rig itself, only some in the crowd that was gathered in a tent that was open on one side, but largely enclosed and largely packed in, only a few people in that crowd also wearing masks. so in terms of tone setting, the president still, shall we say, is inconsistent at best in terms

of social distancing and wearing a mask. >> i saw over this weekend, i saw somebody snap a picture of a kansas event, a campaign event that showed a lot of people crowded around and the reporters said this is the first time i've been out of the bubble in a while to see this. this is pretty surprising to me. actually, the reporter was not the one in the bubble. the people in the bubble are those that think they can keep congregating in rooms tightly without the risk of protecting themselves, infecting their loved ones, it is like nothing i've ever seen in my life. people so adamantly and obstinately ignoring medical device on a pandemic that's killed 150,000 people sxp with remember at one time you heard people say it's only going to be 30,000 or 40,000 people that were going to die.

in april, it was reduced to 60,000, 70,000. we're up to 150,000 people and you still have these -- if the white house just complete idiocy of the president running around doing fund-raisers without a mask in a crowd of people. you have him retweeting the woman that's talking about demons and other bizarre things, mocking masks, talking about die droxy color quinn which just about every other medical professional says it does not work on this disease. it doesn't work. i don't know who is making money, right, but follow the money. >> you have to ask that. >> we've asked from the very beginning, follow the money. for someone to continue to bring up hydroxychloroquine, you have to ask what is the money connection? because it makes no sense to continue to push a drug as the president continues to do that doesn't work, that every medical professional says doesn't work,

that the top scientists in america say doesn't work. it continues. but, again, one thing, masks, katty kay. you've got louis gohmert claiming that his mask caused coronavirus is like saying the aspirin, the advil caused my headache. it's complete, absolute lunacy and yet you've got the president of the united states running around retweeting people that are saying masks don't matter. you have the president of the united states holding fund-raisers in packed crowds not wearing a mask and you have republicans on the hill still just acting assinine about it. you have a chief of staff mocking reporters, you sure do look funny in your mask. and you sit here going, are they really going to continue this strategy through the fall to ensure that donald trump loses

by over 400 electoral votes in the senate? being a dumbass on a national pandemic has proven to be a bad political strategy for the party of donald trump. what does anthony fauci say about all of this? >> yeah. i had a chance to spend half an hour speak to go anthony fauci yesterday. and he was absolutely categorical. we should be wearing a mask. the president should be wearing a mask. everybody should be wearing a mask when they're out in public. and i asked him about the president retweeting that doctor who said that you don't need to wear a mask. and he said, look,ite not helpful. he did a lot of media yesterday, specifically with the aim it seems to me of countering the president's message. what kind of a position are we in where the top doctor is having to go out and spend virtually the whole day talking to the press in order to get the message out that is something

different from what the president is tweeting about. he was clearly frustrated. he said his job is very stressful because of partly all the politics that he's having to deal with. but here is the news if you like from the interview i did with dr. fauci yesterday that congressman gohmert and the president would like to hear. the increasing evidence is the mask protects the wearer, not just the people around the person wearing the mask. they don't know the degree of protection i'm getting, but it could diminish the severity of the illness or it could stop me getting the virus. so there is no reason anyone wouldn't want to wear a mask. and for fauci who is five months into this and living on fumes, as he said to me, having to deal with the politics of this is making it harder for him to deal with the medical side of this and beat this pandemic. >> the truly confusing and infuriating part about this is

there is a parallel universe where four months ago donald trump came out and said we have to wear a mask and here is why, then we go back to school. then your business opens again. then we get to play football this fall and put out psas. he's doing it for some vain reason, some macho routine, i guess, reasons of freedom. well, the free do many come comes when our society opens back up again and the surgeon general comes on and saying we're not trying to take away your freedom by asking you to wear a mask. we're trying to maintain your freedom. that's an easy argument to make and i still don't know why the president didn't do it from the beginning. >> as we said from the beginning, take care of the health care crisis. that takes care of the economic crisis. wearing a mask is the easiest thing you can do. if you're around a group of

people, wear a mask. if you're in a restaurant, no, you can't wear the mask the entire time, you know, but you can wear it when you're surrounding with people who aren't your family or your close friends who you know have been taking care of yourself. donald trump knows it's not hard. the republicans know it's not hard. i don't know what they're trying to prove. did our founders and men and women who fought for this country to keep it free for 240 years, did that do that to guarantee the right of people to be stupid and infect themselves and infect others? i don't understand how they look at the constitution, how they look at our founding documents and say, you know, if i wear a mask, that is going to jurndz mi undermine everything to -- no, it's ridiculous. you wear a mask. if you are around other people, if you are in large groups, if you are at fund-raisers, if you

are inside, wear a mask. and mika, for some reason, and i can't really figure this out. and i've said from the very beginning of this administration, i can't figure out why this president continues to do things that damages him with the electorate. i can't understand why he continues to try to shrink his base, why he continues to do things that are so unpopular, when you're talking about now on race, on the coronavirus, on so many different things. it's like that -- why don't we talk about his tweet yesterday about the suburban american dream. a guy who has never been so the suburbs and has no idea what the quote american dream looks like.

maybe he saw "the wonder years" and he's talking to corona kevin. but he's making now these blatantly racist overtures to white americans. again, 50 years too late. speaking to a world long gone. and tweeting them out. and, again, another 80/20 issue. 509 issue where he's damaging his own political standing and just looking clueless. >> still ahead, president trump makes an overt appeal to racism. and ends up alienating the very same people he's trying to win over. we'll explain that next on "morning joe." l explain that nen "morning joe." my bladder leak pad? i thought it had to be thick to protect. but new always discreet is made differently. with ultra-thin layers that turn liquid to gel and lock it inside. for protection i barely feel. new always discreet. an army family who is always at the ready.

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yesterday. the "new york times" headlines sum up the latest trump fear mongering, quote, trump plays on racist fears of terrorized suburbs to court white voters. in a series of tweets yesterday around, the president wrote in part, quote, i'm happy to inform all the people living in their suburban lifestyle dream that you will no longer be bothered or financially hurt by willing low income housing built in your neighborhood. your housing prices will go up based on the market and crime will go down. i have resended the obama biden affh rule. enjoy. he also spoke yesterday in texas. >> you know, the suburbs, people fight all of their lives to get into the suburbs and have a beautiful home. there will be no more low income

housing forced into the suburbs. i abandon and took away and rescinded the rule. it's been going on for years. it's been hell for suburbia. >> yeah, whatever. among the notable reactions was this from chris murphy of connecticut who tweeted in part, our prt is now a proud segregationist. this is so clumsy, he has become a parity of himself becoming a parity himself. we are so many layers down of this man become ago parody. it's baffling. but this is george wallace 1968. this is george wallace 1972.

and i almost feel like when i say i need to apologize to george wallace because i don't think wallace was every this clumsy and dumb ns mate end outreach on segregation. this is just pure seg gagsz and the president is very proud of it. >> we've gone from a dog whistling to dog barking now and hoping that he barks at the dog, the dog will bark back. and i think when you look at the fact that he is totally not only tone deaf, but he's out of time in terms of being consistent with the time in which he's in. the white suburban is not there. and those that are there are not in the spirit of what he's talking about. but we're in the era of gentrification where the white suburban is not the white sa

burn ban any more. but his appeal shows a move back to the 1970s when he and his father sued the federal government housing administration. he has made a political business career out of i will keep them out of your neighbor. i would protect you from the blacks. that is what wees going to hear in a blatant way with no cover saying they will ruin your neighborhood. it's all of that that comes with it, they're robert, they're thieves, they'll rape your daughters. and what is even more offensive because those of us in the community that have known him are not surprised by, but what is so blatantly despicable is he does it on the period of time on the morning where john lewis will be memorialized today. not ohm did he do anything to say in any serious manner how

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all right. today in atlanta is the funeral for congressman lewis. this morning as we're looking at live pictures, the "new york times" has posted his final op-ed. congressman lewis wrote it shortly before his death and asked the times to publish it on the day of his funeral. it is entitled "together you can redeem the soul of our nation." and he writes in part this, quote, though i may not be here with you, i urge you to answer the highest calling of your heart and stand up for what you truly believe.

in my life i have done all i can to demonstrate that the way of peace, the way of love and nonviolence is the more excellent way. now it is your turn to let freedom reign. when historians pick up their pens to write the story of the 21st century, let them say that it was your generation who laid down the heavy burdens of hate at last and that piece finally triumphed over violence, aggression and war. so i say to you, walk with the wind, brothers and sisters, and let the spirit of peace and the power of everlasting love be your guide. >> it's so moving and, of course, we look at the casket and john lewis, a man of great faith, a man who even now this morning is sending his message

of peace and nonviolence through his final op-ed through the in, times. obviously those who know john lewis, those who will be celebrating his life and mourning his death have to be thinking of the words of 2 timothy 4:7. i have fought the good fight. i have finished the race. i have kept the faith. and who can't look at this scene and also, mika, remember back to when we were saying good-bye to another dear friend of ours, elijah cummings, and elijah's message was clear. in life and in death, we are better than this. that is the same message this morning that john lewis is sending all those who want to

make this country live up to the extraordinary promise, the exceptionalism that its founders claimed we had. >> three presidents will be at his service today and we'll be following it throughout the day. in other news now, as talks over a new coronavirus relief bill stall on capitol hill, cities and local municipals are taking matters into their own hands. mayors for a guaranteed income have called for recurring payments to americans as part of the next stimulus package. joining us now, mayor michael tubbs of subton, california california, and mayor bill padudo of pittsburgh, pennsylvania. mayor padudo, i'll start with you. what are you hoping to

accomplish? what is your big ask? and if you don't get it, then what? >> looking at the cares package and the heros bill that passed in the house, there was over $350 billion that was being allocated directly towards cities. this would make up for the lost revenue from coronavirus plus the expenses that we had been asked to incur and it would be a bridge over the next couple of years. without it, we'll be faced to having a situation where we're not going to be able to pay the bills. the city of pittsburgh will have of a $100 million deficit that will eat away our rainy day fund by the end of this year and we'll go into next year having to make significant cuts that will cut directly into our uniformed employees, as well, to be able to try to balance the

books. >> mayor tubbs, we often hear from mayors, from governors, from local leaders that we need the help of the federal government in this time of coronavirus crisis. as a practical question, what does that mean to you? what exactly do you need in stockton, california, from the federal government that you're not able to get yourself? >> we need direct allocation to cities, much like the mayor mentioned in terms of being able to do all the things necessary to keep our citizens safe, to make sure we have adequate testing, adequate ppe, in summation, we're able to keep city government running. in addition to that, the people who make up our cities, the citizens who make up our country need a bailout, as well. we saw in the first c.a.r.e.s. act the $1,200 was used by moved families in ten days. and we know given the lack of a coordinated federal response to this pandemic, we'll be going to the covid-19 times for at least

the next six months. during that time, our citizens need recurring ongoing cash payments to keep the economy afloat. let's make sure that the efforts to provide for themselves and their families, particularly at a time when folks are told to stay at home, to shelter in place, to not go to work if they have a cough or symptoms. >> and willie, we have this breaking news. the united states xwheconomy, i was just announced. shranked at a record 32.9% in the second quarter. that is by far the worst performance for any quarter in american history. that was for april through june. here we find ourselves at the end of july and some fears from the economists and certainly from the fed yesterday that this will continue because even as businesses try to open up, many are having to shut down because

of the lack of kword nacoordina between the local, state and federal governments. >> that is a staggering record. mayor padudo, when you hear these numbers and unfortunately we've gotten custom to hearing numbers well over a million jobless claims every week now for months and months when it comes to thursdays. how has that impacted pittsburgh which by the way has been an american success story in the way it has revitalized and brought tech into pittsburgh. how has this impacted economically your city? >> it reminds me of the 1980s. we lost more people than new orleans lost after hurricane katrina and they never came

home. it reminds me of watching the city die and having to spend 30 years to reinvent itself. i do believe the reason we have the federal government is to take care of cities and states during times of disaster. we need a national plan in order to be able to do so. the coronavirus doesn't know blue states or red states or republican or democratic mayors. what it knows is economic devastation and our economic recovery will be delayed indefinitely if we allow our cities to die. >> so, mayor tubbs, a question to you and give us an update on how your city is doing in terms of dealing with the coronavirus. >> stockton, california, we just passed a budget that was

structurally sound. but if this continues, we'll have to relook at our numbers like everyone else. @this time, we need a response from the federal government. i wasn't around during the great depression, but in 1935, they passed the new deal, a package of reforms and investments in the american people which can he still use today. and i would aural in this moment of 2020, we need something that's in line with the times. i think a guaranteed income or recurring cash payments has to be a part of that. so in stockton we've been doing that for the past 18 months and we find people spend the money on food and utilities, again, given these numbers, we have seen our gdp by astronomical accounts, but given the fact

that people still have bills, people still center kids, people still need to eat. the gerl government has to step up and doing that with guaranteed universal cash payments at least during this covid-19 time. >> mayors, thank you both very much for being on the show this morning. and joining us now, former treasury official and "morning joe" economic analyst steve ratner. we are watching jobless claims come in and getting the breaking news that the u.s. gdp has shrunk by 32.9%. in the second quarter. steve. >> yeah. those are pretty terrible numbers. the gdp number roughly what people expected. it's an annualized number. the actual decline during the quarter was about 9.5%.

that means the economy was 9.5% smaller at the understand of the quarter than the beginning of the quarter. it is by far the biggest single quarter contraction we've ever seen in recorded history. let's put this into a little bit of context. the size of our economy over the last three months plus a little bit towards the end of the first quarter is roughly 2 1/2 times the size of the decline during the entire financial crisis. so it is a fallen gdp of unprecedented since the great depression magnitude and really unprecedented speed. the other number that we should pay attention to are the claims for unemployment insurance. the gdp number is a little bit in the history books. but the unemployment numbers are more realtime, week by week. and what we see there is the number of requests for new unemployment insurance went up slightly. that's not great. but the worst news of it all is

that the number of people receiving unemployment insurance actually rose in the past week by about 800,000 people. and that is a strong signal that this recovery is not reversing necessarily, but certainly the pace of the recovery is slowing dramatically and may even be stalling based on realtime of course. and, of course, this all relates back to the virus. if we had not gone through this process of reopening, these numbers would have been better, but we can attribute the stalling or slowing to the response to the virus itself. >> and that incoherent response so not just from the white house, but from capitol hill. senate republicans have been unable to come up with a plan to continue to provide aid to americans. right now, mitch mcconnell says

that bill is stalled at a time when the economy is shrink at 32% in an annualized rate in the second quarter and more unemployment claims are flooding in every week. >> more unemployment claims are coming in and congress can't come up with a way to re-mays the $ -- to replace the $600. there will be a lot more pain injected into the economy when people start not being able to pay their bills because the people trying to cleblollect th money can't get it, either. as steve was saying, there is no indication that this economy is going to recover, you know, in a strong sustained way while the management of the virus is so

catastrophic and the surge keeps on getting around the country. let's bring in minority whip dick durban of illinois. senator dur bib, good morning. it's good to see you. we just had a pair of mayors ask for help from the federal government. we need your help. where are the negotiations in the senate on a new coronavirus relief bill? we know the house passed one with a couple of months ago, about $3 trillion. the senate is looking at $1 trillion. where is the negotiation between you and republicans right now? >> it's sitting on senator mitch mcconnell's desk and it's been sitting there for ten weeks since nancy pelosi and the house democrats passed the latest rescue package. i've been on the floor on a regular basis and heard senator mcconnell mocking this, yet he

cannot produce anything that the republicans support. the republican senate conference is in disarray at this moment. there's been reports that 20 of them will not vote for a single penny of relief. there was a time where we thought it will never reach a point where anyone wants to shut down the government. now we reach the prospect of if not damaging, but shutting down the economy if senator mcconnell cannot get his you republicans together. >> steve. >> so, senator, following up on this point, obviously, there has to be a package at some point. how do you see that movie ending? do you see a coalition between some democrats and some republicans or what do you think mcconnell does to get something

through? >> senator mcconnell has to accept the political reality, steve, that he cannot engineer anything that's going to pass with republican votes of any consequence. it needs to be a bipartisan package. the c.a.r.e.s. act passed the senate 95-0. here is the reality. at this point, senator mcconnell will not sit in the same room with chuck shchumer and nancy pelosi. literally. to think this is going on when we have up to 30 million americans about to see a dramatic cut in their unemployment benefits is unforgiveable. at some point, senator mcconnell has to swallow his pride and sit down and start negotiating on a bipartisan basis. what is it that republicans want that isn't in the package that could get this over the finish

line, senator? >> that is a good quinn and i don't know the answer to it. for some of them, as they've said, nothing. there is nothing they're prepared to vote for at all. and you think about the prospects here of where we're going. some of this is very basic and fundamental to where we're going. most americans would agree if we're going to open our economy and reach a point where we can seriously consider opening our schools safely, we need to have da dramatically enlarged testing and quicker results if they're going to have any value. >> how do you negotiate with people like steve ma mnuchin who said he's not going to pay tax dollars to people who won't

work? >> i can tell you this. there is a notion that if a person is out of work or lost their job, they're just not trying hard enough. in this economic, the contraction of this economy, folks would love to go back to work, but they're just not out there. secondly, this notion that if you're not rich, you might be lazy in america. i can't get that at all. look at these people coming into food banks, folks who used to give dollar contributions to the food pantries are now turnling around and asking for food for their families. that is the reality. and to think the republicans want to cut this benefit from $600 to $200 is going to create a hardship across america, not to mention the impact it's having on our economy. >> it really is.

our middle class neighborhood that we live in, they pass out food a couple of times a week. and the cars are just lined up around the block. >> sometimes they don't have enough. >> and usually they run out of food before people who, as you said, you used to contribute to food pantries are now trying to get food from their families from these food pantries. and i have to say, when i hear steve mnuchin and others talking about we don't want to waste tax dollars on people who aren't working. i think of my own dad who got laid off from lockheed in the early 70s, a lifelong republican. for two years, he fought to try tvnd a job that could get him through. and, i mean, it's hard to believe that -- and most of us know people who have been through that. it's hard to believe that donald trump and the people he surrounded himself with are so

insulated, so callous, so wealthy that they don't know any of those people who are suffering. >> joe, last week in the state of kentucky, 24,000 people applied for unemployment insurance. it's hitting every state. here is the bottom line. in early economics courses, they tell you the first dollar you want to put into the xwhe when you're facing this recession, is a dollar into unemployment. because that dollar is going to be spent immediately. when chairman powell is warning us that we have to deal with the coronavirus, number one, here we are with 5% of the world's population and almost 25% of all the covid-19 infections in the world right here n usa, he says first get that under control, more testing, moving towards a

vaccine, but secondly we have the increased demand in the economy. the dollar given to the unemployed american is spent immediately for the necessities. goes right back into the economy and will fire up business activity that we definitely need. >> dick durbin, as always, thank you for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. steve ratner, we've been hearing economists with their rosy scenarios talking about a v-shaped recovery. some saying a u-shaped recovery. yesterday we had the fed chairman talking about how he was going to keep interest rates near zero because we're in for some rough days ahead. what does it look like? >> the fed chairman, i think, put it very well. he essentially said the path of the economy going forward is highly dependent on the path of the virus going forward. so everything you guys talk about every morning about the importance of best practices regarding the virus is also best

practices regarding the economy. and as the virus goes, so will go the economy. right now, as i said, we see it and the federal reserve sees it slowing down, not recovering as fast. the administration so far, we'll see what they say today after these numbers, in denial as recently as a couple of days ago. larry kudlow kept talking about v-shaped recoveries, the number of people unemployed dropping rapidly. we now see that's not happening. so we're not going to see the kind of recovery that they thought we were going to see. the question is, will it -- what kind of recovery will we have, and that really is going to become a function of the virus, but right now it is not great news for the administration. >> all right. steve, thank you very much. we will be talking to you soon, and willie, not great news for the administration in part because the president's messaging on covid, as well as everything else, is just so scattered. >> this is an amazing tweet. we don't read his tweets very

often. as this economic devastating economic news has crossed, the president two minutes ago tweeted about universal mail-in voting. said it would be inaccurate and fraudulent. and here's the key. he asked, delay the election until people can properly, securely and safely vote? the president of the united states floating the idea of delaying the election until we can see what's going on with mail-in slow tvoting. that's a stunning thing to say from the white house. >> even for this president. we understand that when he sees those numbers, when he sees that the economy contracted at a 32% rate annualized over the second quarter, when he sees that this pandemic is exploding into the fall because he ignored joe biden's advice and everybody else's advice from january. when he sees poll numbers that show that he's basically lost

michigan, that now he's having to fight for his life in ohio, texas, arizona, florida, other states that he thought he had in the bag just six months ago. what's donald trump do? he doesn't take corrective actions. he retweets conspiracy theories about demon dna, mocking the use of masks, talking about hydroxychloroquine and something that doesn't work, and now he's talking about delaying the election. again -- >> who is surprised? >> we've got to connect everything that he's done with what he did on june the 1st and failed. then what he tried in portland, oregon, and now him talking about a fraudulent election, and now him talking about delaying the election. this is a president who knows, because of his own inad88equaci,

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we're looking at live pictures from atlanta, georgia. these are the baptist church where john lewis is going to be celebrated today. his life celebrated. his memory celebrated. a man who gave his entire life to the extension of voting rights, and we juxtapose that this morning with news of a man who is actually wanting to upend the voting rights and break --

break u.s. laws to actually upend this year's election and is now talking about possibly delaying it. talking about universal mail-in voting and delaying the election. of course, not a coincidence this comes at the same time that the news is breaking that the economy has collapsed over the past three months at record rates. willie, unfortunately for donald trump, u.s. code, section 7, entitled "time of election" says this. the tuesday next after the first monday in november in every even numbered year is established as a day for the election in each of the states and the territories of the united states of representatives and delegates to the congress commencing on the 3rd of january next

thereafter, and it also applies, of course, the president and his election also a federal law that donald trump can't change. >> it's in the constitution. just like he can't open schools unilaterally as he'd like to. he can't delay the election. but we have a president whose mind-set is let's push off this election during coronavirus. and it won't cut it for republicans today when they're asked to say, i don't read the tweets. they ought to be asked about this, ought to respond and show some courage with it. now as we roll into this funeral today at ebenezer baptist church, lying beneath that flag is the very best of america, john lewis. in the church where martin luther king grew up, where his father preached and where he preached, john lewis is the best of america and everyone ought to read his "new york times" piece he submitted and asked to be printed on the day of his funeral, and we have arrived at that day in atlanta, guys.

>> and we certainly have and, mika, whether the president's talking about delaying elections for members of congress, he can't do that because of statute. if he's talking about delaying for president of the united states, he can't do that as well. we've got laws. we've got the constitution of the united states. donald trump has nothing but angry and bitter tweets. >> that does it for us this morning. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage right now. >> thanks, mika. thanks, joe. i'm stephanie ruhle. it's thursday, july 30th. and we have to start with historic numbers showing the amount of financial damage the coronavirus has done to the united states economy. what is the president talking about this morning? not talking about that. he is talking about possibly delaying the presidential election. we're going to have more on that in a little bit. but look at this. in the second quarter, gdp, gross domestic product, fell a stunning