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click, call or visit a store today. we turn to the breaking news in the ever-evolving galloping pandemic across our country. businessman and 2012 republican presidential candidate herman cain has died at the age of 74

from the coronavirus. cain first tested positive for covid-19 late last month, a little more than a week before that cain attended the president's rally in tulsa not wearing a mask, although it's not known when he became infected. the news of cain's death comes as other states continue to report surges in the death toll as a result of the pandemic. here are the facts as we know them at this hour. there are over 4.4 million known cases of coronavirus across our country. over 152,000 americans have died. officials in florida announced the state broke its single day record of coronavirus deaths with more than 250. california and texas reported their highest numbers of deaths since may. we're learning more about the

economic turmoil brought on by the pandemic. as we said, the u.s. economy suffered its worst period ever in the second quarter with gross domestic product plummets 33% from april to june. while millions of americans are still out of work, negotiations for a new coronavirus relief bill remain at a stand still. americans could soon see a sudden significant drop in unemployment benefits as that additional $600 amount provided by the federal government expires tomorrow. >> joining our conversation is dr. peter hotez, an expert in infectious diseases. he serves as the founding dean of the national school of tropical medicine at baylor college. also joins us jake sherman, an

msnbc correspondent. jake, i've been following everything you've been reported and how evndangered republican staffers feel about them bringing everyone in the offices and not mandating mask wearing and shaming people that wear them. can you tell us about that. >> we've seen this on the house floor. this is not picking on republicans. we've watched the floor. everyone in the senate wears a mask with exception of rand paul because he's had it. louis gommert who found out he had a virus yesterday walked around without a mask for weeks at a time. we've seen this with our own eyes. he went to his office and

announced he had the virus to his staff, we got emails from people on his staff, saying they were afraid with the policies he had in place. i've been covering congress for a long time, more than a decade. i've never seen the discomfort with the protocols in place on capitol hill. it's astounding the volume of incoming i'm getting about how people feel the building is broken. the entire complex is under control of nancy pelosi. when members come in here from around the country, they're not testing people. masks were mandate yesterday. no testing. it's a dangerous scene. we're wearing n95 masks at "politico" and our reporters

here are doing it. members of congress set their own rules. >> dr. hotez, you talked eloquently about the d disinformation put out there. this is defiance. this is denial. this is trutherism about noninvasive public health practices like mask wearing, social distancing, contact tracing. i cannot imagine if anything else was killing 1,000 americans a day, terrorism, heart disease, violent criminal gangs that we wouldn't have stopped in our tracks and demanded a bipartisan effort to stop it. what is our certain fate if we continue down this path that jake just described? republican elected officials are not following public health measures and are shaming staff

members who want to protect themselves with something like a mask? >> thank you, nicolle. i wish it were only 1,000 americans a day dying. it's higher than that now. it's getting up to 1,500 americans. we're getting back up to 2,000 americans dying. the southern united states is on fire and it's moving up. it's going into the ohio river valley. it's going to start moving into ohio, indiana, illinois. this is terrible. we're increasing the number of deaths every day. it's looking more and more like may and pretty soon it's going to look like april. we're still bickering about whether we should be wearing masks. we should be so far beyond this, having a national control to bring our country back to containment. the nation is paralyzed. we can't open schools. we can't have anything close to

a normal level of life. yet, we have a totally disengaged white house right now that will not take ownership and will not even admit there's a problem. last week i was on with you and maybe things were getting a little better. the president seemed to be conceding a couple things, that things will get worse before they get better. earlier this week he reverted to the old playbook talking about hydroxychloroquine and it's a harmless virus. the country is frustrated. i'm frustrated because we know what needs to be done. we need to bring it down to containment. we can get there by october 1st. it's not that hard. we can rescue the country if we put our minds to it. we have to do it with federal leadership. >> doctor, imagine if a foreign enemy just claimed 150,000 american lives. imagine if a single day we had

lost that many passengers through sabotage in commercial air travel. imagine the shock, the national reaction to something like. by how much does this rolling, galloping death to go against al of your life's work, every fiber of your being and what you've been taught starting as a young man? >> well, you know, i've devoted my whole life to developing vaccines for these diseases. we'll have announcement soon about scaling up our covid-19 vaccine which i'm excited about, as well as other countries and maybe into the united states. the vaccines will still take time. we have to do something now. what's so extraordinary is this lack of understanding that the economy will continue to

collapse and homeland security will be threatened because people don't feel safe unless the federal government takes charge and enacts a plan. there's so many things that could be done right now that aren't being done. this idea that the white house is going to pretend it's going away when we see the deaths climb every day and now the epidemic is moving and expanding beyond the south. it just defies any kind of understanding. >> jake, a question about shear politics. tell me the thinking, tell me the wisdom in an election year of the republican leadership allowing the unemployment benefit to expire, especially at a time where we really don't know how many people are idle because of this pandemic. ballpark, 30 to 50 million of our fellow citizens. >> we're seeing new pressure

this afternoon. republicans have gone to the floor with the beginning of the step of renewing enhanced unemployment insurance. according to my sources, we'll see some change on that. we're starting at a much lower number than democrats want. republican members are starting to feel intense political pressure over the enhanced unemployment benefits expiring. in the next week or week and a half there will be a deal. this cliff is tomorrow. enhanced unemployment benefits run out tomorrow, not next week. we're behind the curve. i don't understand it. the republican leadership on capitol hill and at the white house seems to have m miscalculated what it was going to take to get a deal and they're way behind the eight ball. >> it's a pleasure to speak with both of you. thank you so much. brian, my friend, what a whirlwind. >> what a whirlwind.

i guess we can -- i guess the utility of today is it can streamline our language. there should be in our business no more talk about president speaking in code or dog whistle. as i said last night, it's only dog whistle if your dog has gone deaf. yesterday he came out against low income housing. today he said out loud on social media we should perhaps delay our election. this is the world i leave to you. i'll be watching. thank you for having me. >> we'll be watching you at 1414 . coming up will it take a second lockdown to get control of the pandemic. lori garrett joins us next. ri gt

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the pandemic at home. this week the number of americans who have lost their lives surpassed 150,000 people. the rate of infection continues to spike in states. the united states is not on course to get control of there epidemic. it's time to reset. the association of american medical colleges warns if the nation doesn't right its course it could be on a dangerous path. lo lori garrett warned of this in

her new book. maybe the debate about schools should have been shut down and talked about shutting the country down. your thoughts? >> shut it down with what strategy to replace it, what government to execute it? the trump administration is not interested in executing a strategy that would bring our kp country to a stand still in the lead up to the election. sadly there's a decision made in washington to ignore there call. we've made so many mistakes it's

phenomenal. we need a coherent national strategy. we farmed it off to the states. the states farmed it off to their counties and cities. no two places are giving the same guidances to schools about low to re-open, about restaurants on low to re-open or whether or not to re-open. we're in a state of complete chaos. we're losing the firefightght. we don't really flow tknow the . the data is going through a series of channels that end up

at a company owned by a close ally of president trump. the goal is to down play the severity of the national outbreak. >> 152,000 americans and 152,000 worlds blown up destroyed without their child or lwill husband or wife. >> i can't get into the heads of people making these decisions in

washington. what i can say is this, every american should be not only grieving all these losses, but ashamed, outraged. how could it be the great capital of science on planet earth with the most innovations, the most break-through science in the history of the planet could have botched this so phenomenally. the only places worse are places like brazil. we've made every mistake in the book. at this point i have said before and i'll say it again, i think we'll get to labor day with our death toll at 200,000, perhaps more. sometime in september we'll be looking at a quarter of million dead americans. the pace of this could get completely out of control if we don't figure out how to clamp

down. i think it's incredibly naive to imagine that states that don't have very deep benches in their public health departments, that have faced lay offs and cut backs in public health for the last decade and a half will be able to conjure some strategic plan for dealing with the virus that's going to be better than what everybody has been trying. we need a national level initiative. it needs to be based on real science, not on hydroxychloroquine or don't wear a mask with your staff, but wear one on camera. this is just so aggravating, so annoying, so maddening. i understand why medical institutions across america are sounding the alarm. this isn't a partisan question. this isn't a matter of, you know, did you wake up this morning a declared republican or

democrat. this is about saving american lives and stopping a pandemic that is destroying our economy, that is destroying human lives and disrupting all medical care for all diseases, all ailments. regardless of whether you get covid-19, your diabetes may go untreated, your health disease may go untreated. to imagine we're going to go another day or week or month with this chaos is to be beside ourselves with, you know, in dig nation. how could this be? >> how could this be? it's a question, lori garrett, i'm going to ask you every time you come on. i think we try to look at all this loss of life as each life blew up the world of everyone

who loved that person. for so many worlds to be blown up and it didn't have to be this way, how could that be? lori garrett, thank you. we continue our coverage of the final farewell for congressman john lewis. nbc's ali vitale joins us now. >> reporter: this is the cemetery where martin luther king was buried before he was sent to the king's center in atlanta. now this cemetery will welcome john lewis. this is where he'll be laid to rest next to his wife lillian. from selma, to washington, d.c., and now to atlanta, georgia, americans want to give one final farewell to the congressman and civil servant who had been to

prevalent in the civil rights movement. over the last hour i've seen a steady trickle of people standing at the gates of the cemetery so they can say one last farewell. on the inside of the cemetery we'll see the one last favor well. people will be trying to be distanced, wearing masks. that's not stopping people from giving john lewis the commemoration he deserved, someone who caused good trouble for 80 years. nicolle? >> ali, thank you so much for that report. "deadline white house" is next. bill assumed it was a costume party.

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the the the the by by by by will will will wil it's 4:00 in the east. today the funeral for john lewis. among the speakers three presidents gathered together despite their political differences to celebrate a man whose legacy transcends politics. their presence together a

reminder of a day gone by, but not necessarily lost, when decency and compassion stood above partisanship. their words sending a pointed message to the country, at the moment the country is at a crossroads in honor of the good and kind gentle john lewis. >> we honor that memory today because as a child he learned to march with others to save a tiny house. as a young man he challenged others to join him with love and dignity to hold america's house down and open the doors of america to all its people. >> listen, john and i had our disagreements of course. in the america john lewis fought for and the america i believe in differences of opinion are inevitable elements and evidence of democracy in action.

>> you see it in people trying to be better, truer versions of ourselves. that's what john lewis teaches us. that's where real courage comes from. not from turning on each other, but by turning towards one another. not by sewing hatred and division, by but spreading love and truth. not by avoiding our responsibilities to create a better america and a better way, but by embracing those responsibilities with joy and perseverance and discovering that in our beloved community we

do not walk alone. what a gift john lewis was. we are all so lucky to have had him walk with us from a while and show us the way. >> as you listen to the three former presidents, i want to point out on your screen is a live picture of burial of congressman john lewis. for president obama's part he was just getting warmed up. we'll play for you in a moment his searing indictment of donald trump's america. the nation's loss in mourning john lewis, his own words to be printed in an op-ed. ordinary people with extraordinary vision can redeem

the soul of america by getting into good trouble, necessary trouble, voting and participating in the democratic process. this is key. the vote is the most nonviolent change agent you have. you must use it because it's not guaranteed. you can lose it. you must study and learn the lessons of history because humanity has been involved in this soul-wrenching struggle for a long time. people on every continent have stood in your shoes through decades and centuries before you. the truth does not change and that is why the answers worked out long ago can help you find solutions to the challenges of our times. continue to vote between movements stretching across the globe. we must put away our willingness to profit off the exploitation of others. though i may not be here with you, i urge you to answer the highest calling of your heart

and stand up for what you truly believe. in my life i've done all i can do to demonstrate the way of peace, the way of love and nonviolence is the more excellent way. now it's your turn to let freedom ring. that's one hopeful vision of america. the path john lewis laid before us is one of two before the country at this moment of unprecedented crisis. in the news today 150,000 souls lost to coronavirus. 150,000 americans deprived of a mom or dad or brother or sister or child. economic despair that many americans have been feeling for months evident in the data now too. the forecast of record decline in the gdp. no respite from unemployment. 30 million americans don't have enough food to eat according to one report today. the president of the united states, the president who did not show up to pay respects to

john lewis this week began the day by taunting democracy by threatening to delay the election in november. suggesting as the virus ravages much of the south and midwest where trump has plenty of supporters, that all mail-in votes are invalid. donald trump and his botched mismanagement of the public health crisis is complaining about people not liking him. the smug performance of attorney general barr on topics from foreign election interference are on the menu in november if that's your thing. in his final words john lewis challenged us to choose the other. we start with the professor of journalism at morgan state university jason johnson. also kimberly atkins, reporter

for "the boston globe." and president of the action network, reverend al sharpton. rev, your thoughts on the day? >> i thought it was a great tribute to john lewis. i was blessed to have known him. i think he would have been pleased. i think what was pleasing is that each one of the three presidents that spoke and president obama giving the eulogy challenged us to do what john lewis gave his life for. the voting bill, there's a pending piece of legislation on this named after john lewis. we can't get mitch mcconnell to bring it to the floor.

john lewis stood with black lives matters murals and stood with us fighting the corruption of the police authority. we have the george floyd police justice bill that mcconnell won't go forward with. it's important these presidents stood together. all of us rose this morning and saw john lewis had written his own message that he wanted "the new york times" to print the day of his funeral, it challenged us. i grew up during the civil rights movement. he was 15 years old. he mentored my generation and i was able to work with him and march with him. that was a sadness. it was also challenging that we get this legislation through because as president obama said today, you must mix protest with politics and politically we must

have the summer of activism be something that achieves legislation. that's what john lewis was about. that's why everyone stopped. i must say quickly, in contrast of that, not only didn't president trump join in the funeral or join in mourning lewis, he chose this week to come out and just out right support using the language of housing discrimination and telling people i'm going to keep them out of your neighborhood -- we know who the them are -- where your property values won't go down. he also chose today, the day of the funeral, to say we ought to delay the vote and john lewis was about voting and about people having equal access to housing and mortgages. he not only did not in any way show the kind of sensitivity to john lewis, whether he agreed with him or not, he decided to use it as a time to take a shot

at the things he stood for which i think is repuls re-pulsive. herman cain passed away today. i disagree with his politics, but i wouldn't do this. >> jason johnson, it's like staring into the sun. that's something donald trump is guilty of to process and here what the rev is saying. it is the truth. while we have a live picture up of john lewis being laid to rest, the other headline today is that donald trump has put some policy proposals behind his racist tweets about the suburbs this week. that's the news.

if we're going to stare into the sun of what he is and what he does and how he divides this country, it needs to be said as the rev just said it. >> yeah, and what made me very happy on a really sad day is seeing that the men and women that spoke at congressman lewis' funeral, they didn't separate the sadness of his passing from the policies that he fought for. right? they didn't ignore what donald trump is doing and how it's a violation of everything john lewis stood for. when president obama spoke, it turned into a full indictment of this administration, whether in the form of state-sponsored housing policies or whether it was housing.

we have to talk about what john lewis was fighting for because we have an administration that is trying to take all his accomplishments away and rub it in our face. that was one of the more meaningful parts of today even though we're still in the struggle. >> i want to play that and i want to ask you one more question on the other side. >> george wallace may be gone, but we can witness our federal government sending agents to use tear gas and batons against peaceful demonstrators. we may no longer have to guess the number of jelly beans in a jar in order to cast a ballot, but even as we sit here, there

are those in power who are doing their darnedest to discourage people from voting by closing poling locations and targeting minorities and students with restrictive i.d. laws and attacking our voting rights with surgical precision even undermining the postal service in the run-up to an election that's going to be dependent on mail-in ballots so people don't get sick. >> if former president obama delivers this message and it gets through to enough americans, i think it will have a sizeable impact, not just on the presidential election, but on the fate of the senate races. no one, no reasonable person wants to live in that america that he just described. you're right. funerals used to be a day to put aside politics. the politics are now front and

center and the way we honor those we've lost is by delivering an urgent political message. you're so right, jason. >> the other thing, nicolle, if this was a sports movie, this is the talk. this is the talk at the beginning. this is after rocky's coach dies. this is your coach comes in and looks down and items the team we've got 98 days. we've got 98 days to make this passing something meaningful, to make it something we can rally around. i was pleased to see the president bring that level of passion. it was an even capsule lags. bill clinton and george bush built up to this. both of those men admitted we had some differences, but the fact of the matter is we have to fight for the dream john lewis was talking about. that i believe will be a

rallying cry going forward and i hope it's what we need to push back on the attacks against the postal service and attacks on the poling places. the president may not have the constitutional power not to change the voting day, but i don't trust the respect senate to do try and do that. >> kimberly atkins, i thought george w.'s speech, first of all, it was clear the reverence he had for john lewis and to showcase that added to the fabric of lewis' being a giant, being an important figure in our story. he also talked about -- i was there for this. reauthorizing the voting rights act which passed unanimously in the united states senate and with very little opposition in the house. it's a sign of how much the

republican party has changed. they're represented by republican voters, but how much this country has changed. that isn't something with unanimous bipartisan support. it's not changed in good ways. >> yeah. i mean, it's very recent history, nicolle, as you put out that the voting rights act and reauthorizing it was a bipartisan -- it was a bipartisan priority that no one even second guessed. it was always reauthorized by a clear margin every year. it was only after the supreme court gutted the core part of it and really took away the obligation of the justice department to guard over and make sure that the right to vote was protected, that suddenly republicans walked away from it. the congress could have immediately implemented a new rule that put that -- put the

teeth right back into the voting rights act and they refused to do so. on this day as we'll all talking about the juxtapositions of congressman lewis' life and the attack on democracy that the president's tweet today represented in an attempt to hold on to power at the expense of democracy, you're right this is important in terms of the senate elections. the members of the senate have power right now. they can call for a strengthening of the voting rights act. they can send money to cities and states to sure up election security, to help them carry out voting, including voting by mail to keep people safe from the coronavirus. they can, instead of saying no, the president doesn't have the authority to delay an election,

they can condemn that because what the president is trying to do is scare people. he's trying to scare his own supporters into disbelieving the results of an election. he's trying to scare other people from trying to vote. the republicans in congress have all sorts of power to fight against it. this is the moment they will be judged by their actions between now and the election. >> nick, i have been building up to a 13-part question for you. i'll try to get it down to a 2-part question. could you pick up on kimberly's point about the senate? i'm the last human that will throw a parade for disagreeing with president trump, but that did happen. you covered the russian efforts to sew division and did he

delegitimize our democracy. what's left for the russians to do? maybe they're not doing it because they don't have to, trump's done all their work. >> it's not been the tweets and facebook shares that the russians got, but their ability to be amplified by real people, real americans. to have the president doing the work for them is a great intelligence coup. i'm not sure they could get a better bully pulpit for the idea that american democracy is flawed and corrupt. i'm thinking about george w. bush's speech there. he was the high water mark, nicolle, of a republican party that believed its future lay in winning the votes of minority americans, hispanics, blacks,

even arab americans. trump is the high water mark of a party that looks to build its future on white fear and reaction on diminishing the white vote and the vision of the country that's not optimistic. it's fundamentally at odds with the vision of presidents obama, clinton, bush and john lewis. >> there are no four people on this planet who i would rather have talked to about this extraordinary day of news. jason, kim, nick and the rev al, thank you for starting us off. signs of life for the rule of law despite efforts of attorney general barr and the president to erase the prosecution of michael flynn.

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former national security advise michael flynn's legal future seemed in peril. this afternoon a federal appeal's court offered to hear the case. michael flynn pleaded guilty and twice confirmed that plea to the charges he lied to the fbi. joining our conversation nbc news correspondent kara lee and frank fuglisi. kara lee, take us through the legal effort under way and what it mean that is the full circuit will hear this case? >> reporter: well, this is just the -- if you step back, this is the latest development in something going og fon tn for t

years. michael flynn's sentencing didn't happen. there was a number of iterations to sentence flynn. flynn requested to withdraw his plea. then the justice department got involved and told the judge that they were going to dismiss the charges. that's when judge sullivan said, no, i'm going to appoint a former judge to argue why they shouldn't dismiss the charges and wanted to have that hearing. flynn's team asked an appeals court to stop that and rule against judge sullivan and strip him of the ability to do that. the panel of judges said okay and agreed with flynn. now what's happening is the full court is willing to hear this. that reset it s the table on th question of whether or not judge sullivan gets to eventually have this hearing. one option that could come back after the full appeals court hears this on august 11th is

that they say, okay, fine, you can go ahead with your hearing with this former judge and hear arguments for and against whether or not judge sullivan has to dismiss the case, but here are some parameters in which you need to do that. they could restrain him a little bit and not give him broad running room. we don't know. again, this is something that's been going on for quite sometime. we've not seen anything like it. by the way, hanging over all this is the possibility that president trump comes in and issues a pardon. he might want to wait until -- it's less than two weeks until this hearing. he may not want to do that before this fully runs through the court system. he's been candid that it's something he's considering and said he's looking at it. it will be really interesting to see where this goes next. i got to tell you i haven't followed this for a couple

years. every time you think you're getting to the end something else happens and it keeps going. >> frank, the reason every time you think you're getting to the end of it -- and we should be at the end of it. as soon as he was charged, he confessed. in court he affirmed his guilty plea twice before this judge. this is one of the two cases in which barr has intervened in such a way that it's resulted in resignation of career d.o.a. prosecutors who got involved. the government prosecuted this case because flynn lied to the fbi about of course -- wait for it -- russia, his contacts with russians. what do you think the prospects are for the judge to actually hold flynn to his guilty pleas? >> yeah, this is fascinating.

it's helped to shape the narrow focus that this is about whether or not the trial judge can have this hearing and move forward or whether flynn actually appealed prematurely and needs to wait for this to happen before he appeals. understand the stakes here. if, indeed, they are loose in the parameters of the hearing, the kind of hearing this judge can have, think about what we could see play out in this hearing. the judge is going to say doj, why did you move to dismiss this case? i need all the facts. i would like to call witnesses. maybe one of those witnesses will be the attorney general of the united states who can help me understand why this case needs to disappear. i think general flynn lied to me at least once if not twice in my own courtroom. if that happens, i don't think

president trump can allow it to happen because the facts will be apparent about who intervened. at least one judge on the circuit court of appeals recused himself from today's decision. do you know why? because he used to work for the trump administration and he thinks there's a conflict of interest for him. there's a conflict of interest because this case is far bigger than general flynn. >> frank, carole, you both helped us make sense of this. thank you both. after the break, a fight in the escalation of the fight against coronavirus as it seems others are involved in waging a war against science. that's next. war against science. that's next. ♪ ♪

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going to take it. he's all in. he's confirmed he was positive after walking around maskless. another sad development. another trump supporter not wearing a mask at president trump's tulsa rally has passed away. the coronavirus emergency intensifies in united states. florida, texas and california recording record death tolls. one fatality for every minute of every day. in the world of re-openings the philadelphia phillies are canceling all activity until further notice confirming two positive cases on the staff. >> charlie sykes is here.

my thoughts and prayers go out to the family of herman cain. do you think the president will identify with someone that is one of his voters? i know it's not a question you ask of normal presidents. he often needs a way in to his swath of the electorate. do you think this could be it? >> i would like to, but this president is not going to change. there's going to be no pivot. there's no empathy for donald trump. nicolle, we talked about this that nothing mattered. right now we're in a period where everything matters. you have one american dying every minute. you have the worst economic decline that we've ever seen in terms of the gdp. all of this is happening on donald trump's watch. all of this -- it also comes at a time when he really does seem

to be flailing around. he's lashing out. he's engaging in self-pity. here's the moment where i think americans are stepping back and going, all right, does he have a plan? does he care? is he being honest with us? i think that the moment where he was retweeting the video from the woman who believes in demon sex and everything really was as damaging to him as when he was speculating about putting uv rays into people's bodies and putting disinfectant into people's bodies. this is a moment where america saw a president who doesn't get it. he doesn't understand the science and is not going to take the steps we need and everything is falling apart right now. >> dr. wen, we covered the baseball openings very closely and carefully. it is a microcosm of the limits of infinite funds, instant

testing and the capacity to isolate positive tests. those are three things that no public school in america has. frankly no american family has access to instant tests. if they can't do it, if they can't separate themselves from the rest of the country which is in a wildfire of spreading infections and a tragic, tragic death today after day after day and, who can safely contemplate opening? >> this is it, nicolle. there are two issues here. one is the -- how this highlights that we cannot exist in a bubble. if there are surges of infection in the community, you can't seal yourself off from it. no school is going to be able to seal themselves off. we have to be controlling this rapid surge. the second part is, i think all of us would love to have the type of access to rapid

available testing that these baseball players do. testing doesn't prevent someone from getting infected, but it does prevent others around them from doing so. if we had testing we could do every day or every few days before going to work or school, that would make those places safer. i find it unbelievable we don't have a strategy for procuring these tests when the technology exists. there are rapid antigen tests that can be rapidly produced and distributed. they're available in other countries. they can be available here. why aren't we doing it? >> based on jake sherman's reporting republican staffers are being bullied in the offices over wearing masks. who is going to go about procuring tests? we're getting more and more

messages from the trump administration from aides who feel like they can't work safely during covid and are being told not to wear masks. continue reaching out. we want to tell your storiestor. that's inside the trump administration. no one should be made to feel unsafe at work. if you watch tv and you're a staffer, what did you expect? >> well, this is outrageous. it's infuriating. the result is we're having unnecessary illnesses and unnecessary deaths. thoughts and prayers to louis gommert. he's behaved like a crack pot and a bully berating members of his staff for doing the right thing and wearing the mask. this tribalization of the mask has been a disaster. there's the irresponsibility of people who down played the

seriousness of the coronavirus and pushed against mask mandates, i think this is going to backfire very badly on them. there's a tremendous moral responsibility that we're seeing. it's coming very close to home for people in the president's circle and in congress. this is one of those moments where, yes, we're all in this together. but the people who are directly responsible for this kind of reaction need to be held accountable for this. they need to be held accountable in a very short -- in the short term before it gets worse. >> dr. wen, let me ask you about a prediction that lori garrett made. she said it's possible 200,000 americans will have lost their lives by early september. is that a path that's possible for our country? >> it is, even by the simple mathemati mathematics. we had 1,400 people, an unbelievable number die

yesterday. if we multith multi-ply that be three months, it's possible. this is not predetermined. we don't have to accept this as likely as our future. just as we've been talking about when we only had 1,000 cases and 10,000 cases, it's not a hurricane that's going to come our way no matter what. it's up to us to monitor our own actions and to ask for the accountability of our federal government. we need data and transparency. otherwise we're flying blind and we need for their to be a national strategy. in the absence of a national strategy, we need to see more governors and local officials step up and do the right thing. mask wearing mandates, restrict

indoor gatherings and do the necessary things to contain the surge. >> dr. birx has called from a mask mandate, better late than never? >> i mean, i wish this occurred months ago. then again we have the ability to save many more lives if we do it now. the time for finger pointing, we can do that later. let's move forward and do the right things. this has to transcend ideology. this is about public health and saving lives. after the break for us a donald trump statement so outrageous that even zombie republican law makers who usually march lock step with trump are saying i don't think so. we'll talk more about that next. [♪]

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since late march, included 17 times this month. charlie, i don't understand the politics of this. donald trump's voters are older. donald trump's voters live in states ravaged by covid. some of donald trump's voters may be looking for mail-in ballots. what is he doing? >> i think he is trying to challenge the legitimacy of this vote. he's not going to lose this election. it's going to be stolen from him in a fraudulent election. your point is right on. look at the way the issue is playing out. you have a choice. you either want to make it easier for americans to vote or you want to make it harder for them to vote. does donald trump really want the republican party to be on the side of making it harder to vote? i think he's making a huge mistake here. there was a survey earlier this

week that found that 65% of the american adults think americans should be able to vote by mail. this is an overwhelmingly popular issue. you see the emotional resonance of this issue and the way that former president obama honed in on this. we keep talking about donald trump driving the agenda and finding the issues for the culture war. i think he's stumbled on a way to alienate independent voters and fire up the democrat base. >> let me read you the reporting in the "new york times" about president obama. president obama raises $24 million for joe biden with less than 100 days until the presidential election. mr. obama laid out the stakes of 2020 in forceful fashion. he's urged support for

mr. biden, while worrying about the state of democracy itself. mr. obama was asked what keeps him up at night. he cited fears of voter suppression and an effort by mr. trump to question the efficacy of the election. >> the point that was alluded to before, a lot of republican voters are the kinds of people who would use mail-in balloting. republican voters have been relying on mail-in votes for years. donald trump may be suppressing his own vote. i wouldn't discount that factor at all. >> if this were jeopardy, it would be what a poetic justice. dr. wen, what's the safe way to vote in november? >> it depends where we are in

november. i mean, i suppose in the best case scenario we could have gone through another national shut down and we could do it right at that point and we could all go back to normal, have our schools be up and running, have all -- have everyone go about their normal lives, that businesses be open. this is what's happened in other countries, so this is not just a figment of my imagination here. we can do this as other countries have. if we don't, i would certainly not encourage people to gather together in indoor spaces to wait in line with one another, shoulder to shoulder and maybe with some other individuals who are not wearing masks because they don't believe in coronavirus. i mean, i think voting by mail is certainly one very important method that people need to have, especially those who are older, with chronic medical conditions and needs to be made available and in the meantime, we really should be aiming to get to the point that we can resume our normal activities, again,

because we have the ability to do that. >> dr. wen, charlie sykes, thank you so much. after the break, our celebration of lives well lived. let me tell you something,

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"meet the press daily." i'm chuck todd, on what has just been a mix of emotions today. president trump is desperate, isolated and he clearly knows he is losing. and he picked all days of today, the funeral service of civil rights icon john lewis to raise the historically un-american idea of delaying the election. a power that the constitution, by the way, does not grant him. to our knowledge, and we asked nbc historian michael beschloss to be sure, no president has ever raised in public this, but the idea was immediately rejected by presidents lincoln and roosevelt, respectively. the idea has been rejected by pretty much every congressional leader on capitol hill today, including mitch mcconnell. >> never in the history of the country, through wars, depressions, and the civil war, have we ever not had a