good morning. it's saturday, august 1st. i'm ali vel cishi. the speaker of the house is at the time to have a meeting. the group has met either in person or by phone more than half a dozen niems recent days as congress continues to fail in its attempts to pass new coronavirus relief. nearly 155,000 americans are dead from covid-19 and more than 4.5 million have been diagnosed. the white house isn't helping matters. since it's being led by a man who's more interested in making

ridiculous claims about universal maple mail- universal mail-in voting and voter fraud than solving the health and economic effects of the covid-19 pandemic. you've seen his tweets about moving up the election, which isn't done by a person who thinks they'll win, it's done by someone who seriously thinks they are going to lose and is nearing the ends of desperation. i know i'm going to lose, so let's not even hold the contest. but beside that, what he was trying to do was create a massive distraction from the disastrous economic numbers or, as npr puts it, three months of hake. about 14 minutes before his tweet the congret departmess de shed stead shrank. that's more than triple the previous record set in '58 and four times the worst during the great recession. trump and the administration later claimed the president was trying to start a public debate about universal mail-in vote and

he supports absentee voting, which is the same thing. but that doesn't make sense. there's no universal mail-in voting coming in november, nor is there any push do so. and, there's no difference between absentee ballots and mail-in ballots. considering the president's proclivity to produce controversy, it's logical that joe biden has taken a more do no harm strategy for the election, letting trump's rhetoric and actions speak for itself. he's getting closer to choosing a pick for vice preside-preside running mate. it's a who's who of contender spanning the country and including current and former officials. two of the contenders ran against biden. kamala harris and elizabeth warren are both senators. both have influential backgrounds and they both have enormous name recognition. and while warren's very progressive record and rhee credentials are appealing to some, it could pose issues for moderate voters. harris should appeal to both

liberals an centrists alike, however, she has been criticized for her disappointing presidential bid which included a attacks on biden. that said, both biden and harris say that it's all water under the bridge and that a campaign event this week at ap photographer snapped this shot of biden's talking points. the top section is devoted to senator harris with the first line being, quote, do not hold grudges. joining me now, nbc news reporter alli vitaly. what are you hearing about what a decision is being made? >> that's the question. question know that joe biden said earlier this week that he's going to have a pick the first week of august. that may or may not be true. but we know we're going to get a pick in the next two weeks before the democratic convention. and, of course, i know this hour you're going to be drilling down on kamala harris and elizabeth warren and where they stand.

but i think there's the politics of it and then the second frame you add on to it of gender. on the politics frond, kamala harris and elizabeth warren, we know how they run. we know they're good fundraisers and the way they act on the stump. we also know that they appeal to certain groups of voters when they ran themselves and we also know what groups of voters they didn't necessarily catch fire with. but they have an intimate understanding of where the democratic electorate is at right now because they were able to be out there with voters back when this was a thing shaking hands, having one-on-one conversations, and understanding sort of the pulse of the country right now. then you layer on top of that, as i said, the frame of gender. and it's manifested in two really interesting and different ways. the first way is the way that it was last hour when you had that conversation with adrian and stephanie where they were deliberate in not pitting these women against each other, but instead elevating the high points of their resumes. you contrast that with the

second way that this has been manifesting in recent weeks, which is talking about who's too ambitious? who's not qualified enough? who is vying for this job too openly? and one of the people that that conversation has been happening about is kamala harris who has been a contender of this very long veep stakes, especially round the idea is she too ambitious and outshine joe biden? and clearly kamala harris yesterday wasn't about to let that narrative take shape without her weighing in. i want to play something that struck me. listen. >> my mother, again, she had many sayings and one of them she told me years ago, she said, honey, and i'm saying this to all you young ladies, people will be fine when you take what they give you. but, oh, don't take more. and so i say that to say there will be a resistance to your

ambition. there will be people who say to you, you are out your lane. >> and so, ali, i leave you with this. my producer molly and i jumped in the time machine back to other women who had been vice-presidential picks. and we landed in 1984 with the first one, geraldine ferraro was asked if she would be picked for that slot if her name was gerald as opposed to geraldine sort of highlighting was she qualified enough and the sexism in that moment. it does sort of hammer home now all of these decades later as we land in this new space the per physician structure here is that we always knew that a woman was going to be the vice-presidential pick. but it highlights again these women in this space has been treated differently when they're there. >> thank you for your great reporting and analysis to help us kick off this hour's deep dive into the vp candidates. stay with us. joining us now is the

political strategic who is a former senior aid to elizabeth warren's campaign. and the professor of social and director of graduate studies at new york university. last hour we talked about val demings and duckworth. we're going to talk about kamala harris and elizabeth warren. christina, let me start with you. a few months ago you and i had a conversation beyond you said to me, this is going to be a different type of election. it's going to be a grownup election. no one's going to save you, you're going to have to go out there and make the right decisions for yourself. this is one of those things, right, with the vp candidate. there's an abundance of positive things about all of these candidates. but people are going to, as they do with male candidates, more so with a woman vp candidate, they're going to hone in on any potential weakness any of these candidates have. >> yeah, you're exactly right, ali. i think that one of the things

that's so interesting about this situation is that you end up with a situation where donald trump is somebody who only knows how to traffic in misogyny and racism. so fundamentally, he only knows how to sort of play those two -- those two notes. so i think ultimately the candidate who becomes vp is going to be the person who gets treated in those sorts of ways. think the political -- the vice-presidential selection is very weird political theater because it's a choice that's powerfully symbolic and it's a critically important hiring decision about who can lead government. so substance and symbolism is highly valued in this election or in this selection, and i think it matters even more after four years of trump when you have a politics that has been a failure both of governing and it's trafficked in the ugliest kind of symbolic politics, racism, misogyny, and they're going to go back to those things depending on who they pick as the vice-presidential candidate. >> we should be ready for it.

joe biden goes into this election as the oldest person who run, somebody who, you know, a lot of people have discussed the idea that he might be a one-term president. so the idea of his vice-presidential pick becomes really important, and that plays to both kamala harris and elizabeth warren's strengths as senators, people who have been in government and people who have run for the office of president. so, in theory, they've been well briefed as to what being president of the united states is all about. >> yes, that's correct. bo both of them have run for president. they're both on senate committees that are making slutions wh solution when's it comes to the coronavirus pandemic. i think both of them have a significant base. obviously kamala harris has a strong base of black women supporters who have come out this week with a poll that support her. elizabeth warren also has a strong contingent of black progressive leaders, of young progressive leaders, latino progressive leaders.

and so i dloil nactually did no the biden campaign that will have to decide who is going to be his running mate. >> christina, let's talk a little bit about the strengths and weak ons of these tweak ons the weaknesses of these two. what does joe biden need more? elizabeth warren's base or kamala harris's base? >> you know, i think is one of the more interesting contrast because elizabeth warren is one of the last white women standing as a top contender. she's somebody who cal ganizes you galvanizes young people of color. i think it's interesting that they both attract different sorts of -- one traffics in a more descriptive representation in the sense that she sim boymb

certain agenda. and warren has an idea of what she thinks is wrong with u.s. capital i am, u.s. politics. she has a plan for everything. she appeals to a young progressive base who wants to see that she's responding to a particular moment in crisis. i think in that sense, harris is somebody who i think is progressive and strong and has a really amazing narrative and has done her job very, very well. warren, she struggled in the election, in the vp, the presidential election, she struggled to explain exactly what she wanted to do as president herself. warren, we are completely clear exactly what warren wants to do as president. she has a critique, a diagnosis, and an agenda. and think that's appealing to a lot of young progressives of color. this is an interesting dynamic between of the two them, because one of them, really, i think galvanizes that segment of the electorate. >> alensia, it's a different

type of vice-presidential choosing season. typically we talked about what states they would bring and what gee ga geographic and demographic they would bring. that's not relevant. that does not seem to be relevant right now. it's really about the particular pros that they bring to the race. >> that's right. and while, you know, both kamala harris and elizabeth warren come from california and massachusetts that are overwhelmingly democratic voters, they do both have an analysis and an approach that galvanized people in swing states. elizabeth warren i had worked on her campaign and so there are a lot of people in rural areas and southern places in the midwest who appreciate her economic plans, appreciate her housing plans, appreciate her ability to address systemic racism at its root. kamala harris has a base of black women leaders. and so you put those two side by side, it makes for a very hard decision for the biden campaign.

but it is a wonderful moment for women in politics, that there's so many women, these two in particular, and the many more that have been on the short list. i will say what i have heard on the ground from black leaders is if it's not a black woman, it has to be an elizabeth warren. there is no other substitute. she is someone who has shown up and addresses systemic racism in a way we haven't seen white leaders do in the past, male or female. the other piece is, too, as we're having this conversation about these women running for office, these women who are part of the veep stakes competition, particularly the black women, it is not a negative characteristic to say that they are someone that is ambitious. ambition should not be used against any of these candidates, especially the black women who are running. because we saw that with abrams and it's just as problematic for them to do with kamala harris. i'd rather have an ambitious woman as a vice president than a white man who has been there for the past 45 administration.

>> thank you to both of you for a great conversation on this. we will, of course, continue over the next couple days with our conversations about the vice-presidential candidates. alensia johnson is a political strategist and a former senior aid to elizabeth warren's campaign. christina beltran is the professor at the new york university and the author of the trouble with unity, latino politics, and the creation of identity. coming up next, the president's latest distraction. he's using calls to delay the election to take attention away from his most reisn'cent failur i'm going to talk to ellen winetrout about it next. ellen winetrout about it next. kraft. for the win win.

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i do want to see a date change? no. but i don't want to see a crooked election. this election will be the most rigged election in history, if that happens. >> commander of conspiracies

lagging in the latest polls with economic data showing the worst gdp numbers since the great depression and the coronavirus raging in many parts of the country, president trump is baiting the media and the american people with his latest distraction trying to manipulate and turn attention away from his most recent failures and put doubt on an election night outcome that likely has him on the wrong side of political history. tweeting with universal mail-in voting, not absentee voting, which is good, 2020 will be the most inaccurate and fraudulent election in history. will be a great embarrass meant to the u.s. delay the election until people can securely vote. question mark, question mark, question mark. it was met with swift response from both sides of the aisle from experts and constitutional scholars from across the spectrum of american politics. in a "new york times" op-ed, the cofounder of the federalist society wrote this would be uncontusional saying it's

fascistic and it's self-grounds by the impeach again by the house of representatives and his removal from the office of the senate. this is the cofounder of the federalist society. there's no space between the federalist society this administration, generally. trump is also tweeting must know election results on the night of the election, not days, months, or even years later. even years later. that's what's going to happen if you all vote by mail, we're not going to get the results for years. trump's term is going to end at noon on january 20th, 2020 if he doesn't get re-elected. that's the end of it. there's no other way around that. that's what the constitution of the united states says. trump's zeroing in on mail voting is a particular cause of concern during the pandemic while most experts say that large numbers of mail-in ballots might result in some delay, the process might take a few weeks. the los angeles times op-ed writing that it could be less successful if congress and the states took steps to reduce the delay in counting absentee and

other ballots. governor gnu so governor newsome assigned people to count ballots days before the election. other states sent mail-in ballots to every voter. 29 states and washington, d.c. offer something called no excuse absentee voting allowing every voter to request a mail-in ballot. no reason required. 16 states require a reason to not cast a ballot in person. eight states say that fever getting coronavirus wouldn't qualify as a reason to get an absentee ballot. nearly 1 in 4 voters cast 2016 presidential ballots through vote by mail. routine methods and the decentralized nature of u.s. elections make it hard to interfere with mail ballots. a study found that in 2016, more than 135 million votes were cast. there were a total of 4 documented cases of fraud, four,

not 40, not 400, not 4,000, not 40,000. 4. the issue and importance of voter participation was a 90 president obama drove home when speaking at the eulogy of congressman lewis in bam. >> there are those in power who are doing their darnedest by attack our voting rights with surgical precision, even undermining the postal service in the run-up to an election that's going to be dependent on mail-in ballots so people don't get sick. >> all right. i want to talk about this, because this is really important to understand that what mail-in voting is going to be and what we should be worrying about. joining me is exactly the person to have this conversation.

ellen weintraub. let's just dispense of this. the election is going to be held on november 3rd, but there's no way, even if you could by law change it, which is possible, there's no extension of the presidency that's going to go on. >> no, that's right. under the constitution, the presidency ends, this skurnt cu term ends at noon on january 20th. regardless of whether there's an election between now and then, this presidency is going to be over. now, what's going to happen is we are going to have an election on november 3rd and whoever wins that election will be inaugurated on january 20th of next year. >> let's talk about the things they should be worried about. if we're going to vote by mail, which i think we should, in large numbers, we're going from 23% of ballots cast in dwix2016 40, 50, 60%, there are logistical things to worry about. some states have mastered this.

but if there's any fear of mail-in voting, it's logistics, not fraud. >> absolutely. as you pointed out, there have been many, many studies of this. people have looked for this. there are people who want to find evidence that there's been fraud in voting, and they can't find it. only an very small number has been found. that is not what people should be worried about in this election. but you're right, the logistics will be complicated. >> sorry. >> sorry. go ahead. >> and to that that extent, we have a bit of a delay, but i had a conversation with the secretary of state from colorado last night. they've been doing this for seven or eight years and it's like ordering a domino's pizza. you can see where in the system your ballot is. you can see when it's been received. you can check it the whole way. it's -- i mean, it's 2020. we can put -- we can go to mars, we can handle the technology associated with mail-in voting.

>> absolutely. i mean, we get packages, we track our packages online. it's really not a problem. so, i don't think anybody should be worried about that. what we do need to worry about is that, as you've said, in colorado and washington and utah, there are states that have been doing this for a long time. the military does it all the time. they're very good at it. they know exactly thousand get th how to get this done. the number one concern i have isis resources. congress has not allocated sufficient resources to the states in order to support the amount of resource these will need to put into this. not only will they need to vault supplies they need to ramp up their vote by mail operation, but some people will still want to vote in person and they will need supplies for that. they will need bigger spaces. they will need sanitary supplies to make sure everybody can do this safely and they'll need to be able to space people out. so all of this -- they're going to need to hire people. they're going to have trouble hiring people. i would -- i would urge anyone

out there who is young and healthy and wants to do something for their democracy to volunteer to be a poll worker because the states are hurting for that too. but my number one priority right now is to see congress and the president come together and appropriate a lot of money to the states. the br they estimated it would cost $4 billion to the states to run this. and so far there's been about $400 million allocated, it is just not enough. >> you know, in 20 or 30 years when kids or grandkids ask us what did you do in the election of 2020, to be able to say that i was a poll worker or i helped make that election fair would actually be a great civic service. when we talk about how to do this, you're talking about vendors, you're talking about printing and poll workers, there are best practices, and we can look to oregon, washington state, or colorado and places like that. but there are also some basic

minimum standards we have to meet. are you concerned that there are some states that aren't up to that yet? >> i think that the states are working very hard at this. they're working cooperative. they're working to get advice from other states that have more experience in this. so i think that there are a lot of very dedicated people who are going to do their outmoutmost t done right. there are some mic mistakstakes but it's different than fraud. there's never been a perfect election. but people should not lose their minds over every individual mistake that gets made. there are people out there who are doing this work, proflds who are goiprofessionals who are go to try to get this right for the american people. i have a lot of faith in those people. >> i appreciate you coming out and speaking the truth to us about this. ellen weintraub is an fec commissioner. thank you for being with us. coming up, a being shog statement from the cdc director. he tells lawmakers he has no

idea that his agency wasn't getting critical coronavirus information, which is hard to believe because i knew it and i'm just in the news. that was being said straight to the trump administration. we'll talk about it on the other side. ministration. we'll talk about it on the other side.

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shipping is always free. go to dealdash.com right now and see how much you can save. did you discuss this change with vice president pence or with secretary azar? >> not directly. >> indirectly? >> i talked directly with the individuals responsible within the secretary's office. >> but did you discuss it with the vice president pence? >> no. >> did you discuss it with secretary azar? >> no. >> that was the head of the centers for disease control admitting that he did not discuss the recent decision by the trump administration to have hospitals bypass the cdc with anybody. this is just the latest questionable and unethical move from the trump administration as hospitals are expected to report their data to a third party within the hhs. why is this concerning?

because the cdc is possess supposed to bea an apolitical body. the cdc's data allows to us react to a fiend know how many hospital beds are needed, where more resources need to be allocated. the move has prompted 19 doctors and a nurse practitioner to publish an op-ed sounding an alarm in which they write migrating the possibility of data to hhs presents a serious conflict of interest. the department is led by alex azar and the flow of information from the department is controlled by former trump campaign adviser michael caputo who now acts as an assistant secretary for public affairs. in stark contrast to the cdc, which has been an independent apolitical agency. hhs has a recent track record of promoting conservative political causes. with me now to discuss this former secretary of veterans affairs and former president and ceo of the beth israel medical center. david shulkin. good to see you. thank you for being with us. this is alarming on a whole

other level, and that is that public health data is used by experts, by people who run hospitals like you, by academics to develop policy. the idea is let's have somebody collect it and put it out there. we do this with a lot of our ork government numbers, including economic numbers. the idea is that people should be able to study it and see it for themselves. this smells a little like control of information for political purposes. >> i think it's exactly that, ali. and as we know, politics and science shouldn't mix because it's really important to have transparency and trust over this data. this data is actually life and death decision-making. the supply of remdesivir is actually distributed based upon this database. and having the data be public, having it be in the control of people that whose job it is to

control science itific data is essential. and unfortunately what we've seen is that the cdc has been sidelines. this is an institution that has had worldwide respect and the trust of the american public and international community. and we've seen political pressure being put on the cdc to change recommendations to essentially let go of the role of holding on to this data. and they're not speaking up and saying that inappropriate. unfortunately, that's enwhabling we' enabling what we're seeing. in the time of a pandemic when we've lost over 150,000 lives. it's really concerning, because this data needs to remain in a place where people can trust it. >> the cdc is a world renowned organization. you, sir, are a doctor as well, a medical doctor so you understand the value of having

information be out there for public evaluation. i worry about what the danger is of curtailing this information flow, because you said there are 155,000 people we've lost. the cdc, we have a leaked estimate from them that says by august 22 it will be 182,000. the university of washington, which is not controlled by the president, thankfully, is saying that we might have 230,000 dead by november. the white house used to call that university washington projection the gold standard. now they don't talk about it anymore. it does seem that this administration wants to control information so when the information's bad you don't have to hear it. >> yeah, look, the primary role of government is protect its citizens. and we have to remember that. and we're in a pandemic right now where we don't know exactly what the direction is going to happen and these projections are scary, but i think we have to take them seriously. but projections are based upon the underlying data. the underlying data needs to be sound, it needs to be controlled by agencies that are apolitical,

and we need leaders of those agencies to stand on their principles and to speak up. and for dr. redfield not to know what was happening and not to speak up and to protect his agency, i think, is a serious concern. because we need the cdc now more than ever. and you don't make a data migration change like this during a time of pandemic. and if you to do it, you should have a dual system, the cdc should continue to run this until we were assured that hhs could have this data up and running. if you look at the hhs public data protect hub, which is where the new data is stored, it is actually running a week behind. so that isn't helpful to us to have data that's a week old. we need current data and certainly we were able to get that off of the cdc database.

>> secretary shulkin, good to see you as always. he's the author of it shouldn't be this hard to serve your country. coming up next, hurricane isaias has set its sites on the united states. you're watching "velshi" on msnbc. watching "velshi" on msnbc. water? why?! ♪ ahhhh! incoming! ahhhahh! i'm saved! ahhh! ride? no, i'm good. i'm gonna walk. let's go! water tastes like, well, water. so we fixed it. mio

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isaias springs into the bahamas. it's expected to skirt the coast tonight. it's going to be off the florida coast so it might touchdown in florida. yesterday it slammed puerto rico leaving hundreds of thousands of people without power in the u.s. territory. probable track of isaias will see it weave north again and hit the northeast with a possible tropical storm by monday or tuesday. nbc sam brock joins me now from miami beach, florida. what's the situation there and what are preparations looking like? >> reporter: ali, good morning. isaias right now say maximum sustained winds of 85 miles per hour. it's barreling northwest through the bahamas heading toward florida. i'm on miami beach right now in the is about as barron as you will ever see it. there's nobody out here. ash shone rescue was just driving around telling the few folks who were out here get off of the beach. in termgs of t in terms of the effects we've been experiencing this morning,

little bit of wind, and then all of the sudden 20 thoo5 to 30-mile-per-hour wind picked up our tent and slammed it down again. we are expecting in the next couple of hours things are going to pick up. in terms of possible landfall, the track has moved barely to the east. it's more likely than not that it won't make landfall, but it certainly could. it's all subject to change. in that were to happen, it would be tomorrow north afternoon, probably around 2:00 in the afternoon when it would reach point saint lucy area. but obviously covid-19 sending the state reeling at the moment. we're approaching 500,000 cases of covid and what are local leaders doing here to balance the dual threats of hurricanes and covid? we do know they have hotels prepared. they've been moving people with covid into those hotels or specialized shelters. but the process is different in terms of when you get folks for

intake, they need to go through temperature checks, screenings, and ppe as well. it changes the entire calculation and preparation for a storm like this. >> it also limits one's ability to isolate if you need to live so in something that likes lie communal living. sam, don't make any appointments because think we'll be talking again. coming up next, it's been called the film that president trump doesn't want you to see. a documentary focussing on trump's battle with an average scott tissue famil scottish family. he joins me next. ottish family. he joins me next. >> the well going dry, all because of trump building the road over the spring. road over ♪we ain't stoppin' believe me♪ ♪go straight till the morning look like we♪ ♪won't wait♪ ♪we're taking everything we wanted♪ ♪we can do it ♪all strength, no sweat

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been green lit to be released this month. it was so important to president trump to stop this film from being played in the united states that his organization threatened to sue any u.s. theater that wanted to play the film. now, after years of legal battles and anti-trump documentary set to be released just three months before the election. you've been trumped too followed the confrontation between donald trump prior to his bid for president and a scottish family whose family water supply had been cut off do you to the construction of trump's golf resort in scotland. it forced the family to connect water from a stream and dart back in a wheelbarrow for years. here's part of the trailer. >> you're having to take water? >> yes. with the we will going dry, all because of trump building the road over the spring. >> his property is terribly maintained. it's slum life. it's disgusting. he's got stuff thrown all over the place. he lives like a pig.

>> that's what we've been drinking. >> black, oily stuff. >> joining me now is the filmmaker anthony baxter. thank you for being with us. what's the as you said, i've mam 2010 called "you've been trumped" in that film i was arrested and thrown in jail when i discovered that she and her family who mr. trump called a pig and their farm a slum, their water supply had been cut off. i was in the united states ahead of the last election and found that -- heard when i was speaking to her on the phone and she was telling me they still have no water five years after being cut off. i was in flint, gavin at the time. i came back and astonished to find it was still going on five years after the water supply had been, according to the trump organization, accidentally cut

off when they were building the golf resort. and so i thought it was important legitimate story partly because it seemed to me this was what we had discovered in scotland over the course of the time trump was building the golf course, he had promised a billion dollars investment, he said he was going to create 6,000 jobs, and 95 jobs were actually created. the golf course since opened back in 2013, has lost millions of dollars. and i thought it was important that the american people understood that what trump says and what he does are two different things. that's why we tried to get the film out in 2016. as you said, the trump organization issued a legal threat when he said we couldn't show the film so we couldn't do it. >> it shows video in the documentary of you sitting down with donald trump. your arrest. you got an apology for it.

film makers receives apology from scottish police for trumped-up arrest. you were able to speak to donald trump about this, at some point, obviously, before he was president? >> that's right. i did an interview with him in trump tower in new york 2013. that interview is in the second film i made "dangerous game" which came in 2014. then 2016, as we said, we tried to get this film out and part of that interview is in the film. and mr. trump, at the time, said he had nothing to say about my arrest. it was clear that the case at the time -- the trump organization was using the local police as a private security force. i mean, they had -- the police

had regularly attended the land of michael forbes and spoke to michael forbes and then i found it when i was arrested and in jail. she said it was an appalling thing to happen. it was a first time, i understand, the journalist had been arrested in scotland and put behind bars. >> that's remarkable. i want to ask you what changed. what changed in the lawsuit or in the ruling on this one? >> well, as any film maker knows, who is maybe watching this, we have to get something called admissions assurance to release the films. most independent films that get around that pay around $2,500 or $3,000. our quote at the time, because trump issued the legal threat, were astronomical. so we spent the last few years

trying to get that insurance at a reasonable price. we've done that and so we're able to release the film on itunes, google pay, amazon from august 18th. that's when people will be able to see it. >> anthony, thank you for doing this. anthony baxter is a film maker and director of "you've been trumped" and "you've been trumped 2." he also did spend time in flint, michigan. this will be released on streaming platforms, as he said, on august 18th. that does it for me. thank you for watching. tomorrow we're going to continue our look at the vp candidates. we'll be talking about another set of candidates who are on the short list to be chosen by vice president joe biden sometime in the next week and a half or so. coming up next, obama senior advisor valerie jarrett talks about the historic vice

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i'm jonathan capehart. as a category i barrels toward america's eastern sea board, 30 million americans are waking up that enhanced unemployment benefits that have been a lifeline during the pandemic have not been renewed and more than 154,000 americans have been lost to this deadly virus. now on top of all of that, more and more people are worried that donald trump has no intention of ever leaving the white house. with less than 100 days until the 2020 election, it clearly sounds like trump is planning to live out the scenario he opined about four years ago in that debate. the notion that donald trump will ignore the results of the election isn't a far left conspiracy. it's increasingly becoming a serious possibility. >> are you suggesting that you might not accept the results of the election? >> i have to see. >> can you give a direct answer you will accept the election? >> i have to see. look, i have to see. i'm not going to say yes. i have to see. i didn't last time either.

>> those were just words but as the great rachel maddow says, pay attention to what they're doing. we have trump's secret police unidentified federal agents grabbing peaceful protesters and throwing them in unmarked vehicles. we're in the throes of a worsening pandemic that is taking our gdp and to distract from all that, trump is working to discredit the election process, should he, in fact, lose. tweeting that mail in voting is inaccurate, which is not true. and we should, therefore, delay the election, which he can't do. it's all part of the elaborate narrative from fake news to fake polls that trump has built for years. perhaps for this very moment to hold on to power despite what the american voters want. that scenario is so plausible that a bipartisan group of former government and military officials secretly gather to game out a contested trump/biden election. the coorganizer of that