spread. you'll have a portland everywhere. in joe biden's america, you and your family will never be safe. rioters will be protected. and american families will be at the mercy of the violent left wing mob that you've been watching on television. >> that was the president during a so-called rally he held on the tarmac there in tampa. ali is back with us finally. there were a lot of people noticing the optics yesterday with the president on the links while hess chief of staff and many congressional leaders were on capitol hill trying to negotiate a deal, and still nothing came through. >> it doesn't look good. i've been off the air for about ten minutes, and i haven't had a single tweet asking where i am. you're much slimmer, a more handsome guy. >> we are twins, we're

brothers -- ali, take it. >> i deeply appreciate you taking command of this while we figure out a technically issue. dont go too far, just to make sure the grim lynn are out of the sim. thank you, my friend. the president who commands the most power of army on earth with a message to the people, more akin to a political parody. this is an official statement from the president yesterday. peggy noonan, a comcast, msnbc, "wall street journal" puppet doesn't have a clue. she plays right into the hands of the stupid people, exclamation point. it sounds like i said something from a parody, a monty python bit or something.

whiling this going on, million of americans are worrying about how to put food on the table. today worrying about how to pay their rent, because those bills came due yesterday, relief in the form of an additional $600 unemployment benefit expired on friday. their protection from eviction expired on friday. that lifeline that could have helping them save up for the rent they had to pay, the federal moratorium has lapsed. one estimate puts some 40 million americans could be evicted, without income, without credit, without a credit check to rent a new apartment or home. yesterday nancy pelosi hosted chuck schumer, mark meldos, and steve mnuchin to try to break the impasse. it lasted 3 1/2 hours, the stalemate was not resolved. it doesn't sound like it will be

anytime soon. >> this is not a usual discussion, because the urgency is so great, healthwise, financial healthwise, and again the health of our democracy. >> we had really. it was the best discussions we've had so far, and i call it progress, but a ways to go. >> i think we would also characterize the discussions as the most productive we've had to date. i would characterize this as there's still a lot of work to do. >> we're a long way apart. i don't want to suggest a deal is imminent, because it's not. >> they have made clear they want to do an entire package. we have made clear we're willing to deal with short-term issues, pass something quickly and come back to the larger issues.

as kennedys saif you look an the numbs, it's on the right side. they had to make the chart so big you can get a sense of how this has fallen. more than triple the previous report said in 1958, nearly four times worse the worst quarter in the great recession. for 19 straight weeks, more than 54 million americans in all have filed for unemployment. meanwhile, president trump continues to insist any new coronavirus deal must also come with a payroll tax cut. joini ing me is the former

treasury secretary under president obama,want to ask yout that mitch mcconnell has said at least 20 members of his congress say enough is enough. we have done enough for people. we heard the treasury secretary, your successor in the job, saying this is not appropriate to give people this much money to stay home. how do you characterize this as someone who was at the helm of the treasury? >> well, it's good to be with us, ali. i'm glad by all reports it was a good meeting yesterday. it's about time. the how democrats passed a bill two and a half months ago. the senate has slow rolling it, only take it up and never bringing it to a vote even until day. today way the first serious discussion, even though the unemployment benefits expired. i have to tell you, as a is great.omic matter, the need it's a crisis.

you don't have to take my word for it. look at what the chair of the fed said storks hess predecessors, republican economisting like glen had you been hard. the harvard economist making the case we need to balance the budget. they're all saying we need to do some large in order to have the economy not go into a nose dive. you can get into a debate of 1 trillion or 3 trillion and forget it's about values. what do we do to solve a crisis? you need to do the things to keep the economy from collapsing and keep families from going into real, real crisis. you have 7 million children living in households that are behind on the rent. between 8 and 15 million children living in houses that don't have enough food to put on the table. what is the senate doing about this? close to nothing.

that costs money. i would argument that every dollar you put into the households will get spent and help stimulate the economy. i think bringing to the table a proposal to increase the tax deduction of business lunches, and doing nothing to put food on the table for starving families, that's a question of values, that's not a question of money. it's unacceptable if they don't deal with the most vulnerable. you can argue it both ways. even if you looked at it as a question of money, for those republican senators who are saying enough is enough, when you look back to it is 2008-2009 recession, those places where we strategy ecly put money into the stimulus, into the bailouts, they actually do return properly. to your point, when someone is desperate for money, you provide that money, they spend all of it. it isn't extra money for a guy

like me or someone like you. this is money that people need to spend. better than 100% of that money gets spent. your economic, if that's how your mind works, also puts it in the right place, but the concept of the senators saying, enough is enough, we have spend enough while there are starving children in america seems to be the wrong place for us. >> i totally agree, ali. to compare this to the financial crisis, one has to remember that none of the people we're talking about have anything to do with creating this crisis. this crisis is driven by a health crisis, and an incompetent response by our government, and incredible die kneel to do what it takes to make it safe and for children to go back to school and people to go back to work. we need to deal with that in order to get out of this economic crisis. let's also remember that when

the health crisis passes, this is a big hole in the economy. it would have a lingering impact, people will need things like unemployment insurance until jobs are back. the idea of people choosing not to work is ludicrous. you can find a story here or there, but $200 is grossly inadequate. it will leave families without enough money to feed their re families and pay their rent. we need to do better. >> and we can do. thank you, former secretary jack lew. karen bass, and why their leadership during recent social unrest has put them both on joe biden's vice presidential short list. you're watching "velshi" on

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now to the final part this weekend in our deep dive into the joe biden vice presidential contenders we're going to go coast to coast, looking at two contenders. congresswoman karen bass, the extremely powerful and influential chair. her national profile has skyrocketed and a central figure and voice in the house's efforts for police reform, leading and introducing the house's justice in policing act. the pair were spot the together last week. they have also participated in a virtual fund-raiser together. she also received the backing of the influential "the sacramento bee."

she, of course, has been on this show frequently. another guest on our show frequently is atlanta mayor keesha lance bottoms. she was an influential part of the protest, and early biden supporter, who in addition to leading one of america's largest cities has led atlanta through the covid-19 pandemic. she had covid-19 herself, all the while dealing with a governor who is suing her personally. it is unclear what, if anything, that means for her vp prospects. joining me is the founder of she the people. thank you to both of you being with us again. amy, let's start with you.

these two women are people who have been quite prominent, both on my show and msnbc many, many times in the last few months. what do you make of them both? >> well, first i should say that the lived and actual experience qualifications of both these candidates would make them formidable vice presidential picks. i want to say that both represent a new generation of leadership. both would help to unify the country. poll after poll are showing that, you know, democrats prefer a black woman on the ticket. both the mayor and congresswoman would fit that bill, both rendering really powerful experience in terms of grounding both, a tremendous pushback to trump policies. and in bringing a new vision to bring the country forward. >> karen bass has been a congress members for a long

time. i've known karen for 30 years, she is a real one. tell me what you know about karen bass. >> yeah. i think, you know, people have been surprised to see her rise in this maybe. she's gone from being a popular politicianve in her south l.a. community, to chair the congressional black caucus. now clearly sitting at the top tier of this short list. karen has been both a fighter for communities and fighter for people. her -- as long as i have known her, which has been 30 years, and that means, you know, sort of building out the infrastructure that was necessary in the '80s and '90s to address substance abuse epidemic in south l.a., her incredible leadership during the

uprising in 1992, ensuring that businesses were rebuilt in south l.a., that communities were brought together to build coalitions. also, clearly her leadership as the speaker of the california assembly during an incredible financial crisis, says she worked across the aisle with then governor schwarzenegger was just a demonstration of the leadership that she will bring. >> amy, a lot of people have talked about joe biden's age, the fact that he's 77 years old, the fact he might serve one term, and when you look at your vice presidential candidate who may in four years or eight years may assume the leadership. her age, she's relatively young to all people being considered. she's 50. >> they said the same thing

about barack obama, though, truly we need a new generation of leadership. she would represent that. her age i don't think is an impediment. she's leading one of the country's largest cities, executive leadership brings -- she's been dealing with some of the toughest, a pandemic, unemployment, and truly unrest in the streets and demand for racial justice. she's been facing some tough issues as mayor, and has grown in her national profile. i think her age -- as well, i think it is a positive, when you think about pairing different generations. she's the child of the civil rights movement. she would bring a new perspective at the top of the ticket. i think that's a really strong positive. >> thank you to both of you for joining me and letting us go deeper into the issues.

joining me is aiayanna pressly. congresswoman, good to see you again. talk to me about this race a bit. what do you make of these remarkable women we've been talking about. if joe biden were asking your advice right now, what would you tell him? >> well, i think it's about listening to the people. you know, the people have made it clear they're looking of the ticket, in partnership with joe biden that will leave with a strength of conviction, prioritize racial justice, and also, again, be connected to the people. i associate myself with the previous statements in terms of their proximity, their experience and their track

record. >> talk to me about the idea that some people have asked the vice president whether he will pick an african-american woman. he says there's four on the short list. in your case, during the primaries, you supported elizabeth warren, who speaks to a lot of the economic issues which are very close to what you talk about. how does that work into this for you? >> well, you know, policy is my love language, one of the key reasons i supported senator warren is she has centered a racial justice lens in her policies. it was done through law making. so i think it makes the point that racial justice must be central in this white house agenda, the democratic agenda.

we have to be strint to be be s. we would do well to have any of them. >> policy being your love language, let's talk about policy or the policy that has not passed the senate as it relates to evictions. in your home state of massachusetts, black renters are 2 1/2 times more likely to have an eviction filed against them. black women three times as likely, by the way, that are ultimately dismiss, but remain a stain on their credit report, and 80% of bothen eviction cases are currently suspended by the moratorium are in neighborhoods of color. this storm has hit people of color in this country is about to become a tsunami. prior to covid there were 3.7

million evictions filed a year. once i joined congress, we found ourself in the midst of a federal government shutdown, and we knew that many were on the precipice of facing eviction then. the average family does not even have $400 of savings to weather a disruptive life event. this was already a crisis. this was the number one constituent call i received as a city councillor and as a freshman member of congress. it's why since march i've been calling for a moratorium on evictionses and foreclosures. the cancellation of rent and mortgages. might i add that not only is this a racial justice issue because of the disproportionate impact, but this is a public health issue, eviction tsunami does not allow us to slow the rate of transmission. this is a matter of the public health, housing and economic and racial justice.

in this congress moust meet the scope of this. that's why i join with kamala harris and rosa delora. that's what the families need is a lifeline. it guaranties teeth legal representation for those families facing eviction. also it does address -- mitigate the negative marks on their credit report. it also requires a collection of data nauertly. our gop-led senate, they are either clue his, callous our disconnected. that was true before covid, it's especially true now. that's why we need to extend benefits, not -- we need an eviction and foreclosure moratorium so up we have another

layer of tenant protections. >> i've set up a discussion about the fact that there are people waking up this morning who are truly anxious and scared, not just about their meals, but in fact about the roof over their head. congresswoman, thank you for your work. it's been 78 days since they passed legislation expanding the unemployments program. bernie sanders is not happy that the senate gop allowed the benefits to expire. he joins me next. benefits to expire he joins me next (neighbor) whatcha working on... (burke) oh, just puttering, tinkering... commemorating bizarre mishaps that farmers has seen and covered. had a little extra time on my hands lately. (neighbor) and that? (burke) oh, this? just an app i've been working on. it's called signal from farmers, and it could save you up to fifteen percent on your auto insurance. simply sign up, drive and save. but i'm sure whatever you've been working on

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if you went in stumbling, you emerged financially worse. during the years after the recession. the economic tide rose, but it didn't lift all boats. it lifted all yachts, but submerged the dinghies. what many wing was the growing wealth gap. the race is maybe our single biggest economy problem. and economic inequality is another scourge that leads the world. if you have money, you buy the distressed assets of those who don't. if you have good credit, you borrow money at rock-bottom interest rates to do it. the person who buys a house in a recession at 3% interest rates for 30 years is entirely on the opposite side of the spectrum for the person who today is having foreclosure proceedings initiated, because they were laid off.

that second person can't pay the mortgage. because they have missed payments, their credit is shot. there's no way to catch up. they're under water and they're able to gain wealth has shifted, probably permanently, to someone else. there are americans who have lost their jobs and don't own a home. rent was due yesterday. with you wall street prediction indicates that nearly 12 million eviction filings will be made by october. hopefully we'll have a new relief bill, but we have to realize that these bills don't -- that are baked into the -- it's not enough to have every american who can work working, we need to have living wages and actively work to close the gap. america liked like a thriving economy, because we were measuring d measured on how to

alleviate the pressures of the least among us. joining me now is senator bernie sanders. senator, i know that you share a lot of these views, that we are not fixing the very things that were broken. if we were not making a more fair and more just society, we at least could be doing things to stop people from falling into poverty. we're not doing that in the chamber in which you work, either. >> absolutely. look, ali, here is the bottom line. we are in an unprecedented crisis. the pain that is exists economically and from the public health perspective has never been seen before in this country. the good news is that the house of representatives responded to that pain way back in mid may, and they passed the so-called heroes act, which among many other things would continue the supplement unemployment of $600

a week. during this entire period, the u.s. senate has done nothing, there has been no piece of legislation until rep leadership coming to the floor of the senate to deal with this crisis, so as you have indicated 30 million people who have lost their jobs, who will lose the $600 they desperately need. we have millions of people facing eviction and foreclosure. we have people and children in this country who are going hungry. the immediate crisis is that we have got to respond and respond now, today, tomorrow, because people right now are at their wit's end, literally wondering how they're going to feed their families in the richest country on earth. second of all, if i may, picking up on the point i made -- by the way, ali, congratulations. that type of discussion about ink income wealth appear inequality

is not heard often enough. as a nation we have to deal with the moral issue of three people on top owning more wealth than the bottom half of america,s of being the only major country on earth not to guarantee health care to all. of having the childhood poverty more than any major country a earth. no paid family and medical leave. no paid vacation guarantees. we have to rewrite the fundamental structures so we protect the working people, not just the billionaires, who by the way, are doug familially well. >> if you have good credit, you didn't lose your job, and you get a 3% mortgage, you do fine. we need to worry about everybody else. mark meadows said last week, the president did not issue an executive order extending the

rent and eviction moratorium, because trump was, quote, hopeful that democrats will see how many unemployment members they are hurting, adding that democrats don't know, quote, what a compromise is about. the president, by the way, has threatened an executive order about tiktok, but not about stopping evictions and foreclosures. >> look, this eviction crisis is extraordinary. yesterday was august 1st. rent is due. mortgage payments are due, and with millions of people having lost their jobs, they just don't have the money to pay their r t rent. >> you'll recall that lindsey graham a few weeks ago said half of the republicans are of a mind to do absolutely nothing.

what we'll have to do is grab some reps to join us and finally protect the working families of this country. >> there are a whole lot of people disappointed that you are not the presidential candidate. who do you think it should be? ds. >> i'm not going to get into that. picking a vice president is a bit my getting married. that's a very personal decision. that's something that the vice president is going to have to decide all on its own. . i think people who voted for me, people who support the progressive movement, understand that the next three months are maybe, ali, the most important three months in the modern history of this country. all of us are going to have to come together and work in a way that we have never worked before to have the largest voter

turnout in the history of this country, to make sure that all of the votes are counted, and that we sent donald trump packing and election joe biden. you future of men democracy is at stake. we have an economy, as you have just indicated, which was in at that timers for working people, wile the billionaires become richer. this is a moment to come together and defeat donald trump. i will do everything i can to make that happen. you brought new people into the political system. what is we're message, and what

will you do are going to do what you just asked. >> we're going to do everybody we can. we have a very strong social media network. it's obviously very different with the virus. trust me we will use all of our resource, and elsewhere, but to get out the vote for biden. it is trusses, that many of our supporters are younger people, nontraditional voters, and it is absolutely imperative that they come out and vote. no great secret that joe biden and i disagree on a number of issues. that's a fact. what we are engaged in now is what we call coalition politics. we fight out our differences after biden is elected, but right now the immediate task is to come together to defeat

trump. then as progressives, we will do everything we can to maked biden administration the most progressive administration that it can become. right now our message to our supporters, not only do you get out to vote, vote early, to get your friends, co-workers, costudents out to vote as well. >> senator, good to see you as always. thank you for joining me. all right, what is the vetting process like. former pick for hillary clinton, senator tim kaine on that. more "velshi" right after this. s safe drivers save 40%! safe drivers save 40%!!! that's safe drivers save 40%. it is, that's safe drivers save 40%. - he's right there. - it's him! safe drivers do save 40%. click or call for a quote today.

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a week ago we marked 100 days to the 2020 election. today we're starting a new clock, counting how many days millions of americans will go without the enhanced

unemployment. day two waiting to know if the boost to their benefits will continue or not. in some states the system is broken, so it will take a few weeks anyway. the divide seems tore growing, as democrats push for a moratorium on eviction and full extension. meanwhile, mitch mcconnell and others have distanced themselves. this is a great time to remind you that 51 million people have filed for unemployment benefits since the start of the covid-19 pandemic, and more than 156,000 americans are dead from a virus still affecting our businesses, our restaurants, schools and hospitals in all the wrong ways. joining me is the virginia senator tim kaine. good to see you again. >> thanks. >> i talked to senator sanders about it a minute ago.

>> yeah. >> what is going to happen here? those millions of people who are unemployed are not sitting around because they don't have something better to do. they are unemployed and i would imagine all of them would like to get back to work. >> as senator sanders says, these the deepest economic reextractions recorded in american history, and the death toll is unreceivably high because of the mismanagement by the trump administration. as long as that mismanagement continues, the disadvantages will continue. the next top two priority after the unemployment benefits is helping people who are going hungry and are in danger of getting evicted or foreclosed. good news yesterday, while the senate gop isn't able to come together on a plan, they don't like the unemployment insurance, there starts to be talk out of the white house that they're finally agreeling with democrats on the need to do the extension. we don't have a deal yet, but i

have noticed that the white house's language has change. i think the democrats' argument is starting to win, because we're winning it with the american people. the crisis is something that all thinking people want to solve. it's harder to solve after you evicted literally millions of people. i've seen some estimates up to 40 million. that's a whole different problem to solve. some small landlords who run a business or renting on the places in their rooms without that income who might be foreclosed upon. in 2008, if we've only seen ahead to what the banking can do the right way, we could have done the right thing. we can see what happens. the difference between now and '08-'09 is people having housing insecurity is raising the risk they'll get coronavirus. we're asking people to

quarantine at home. if they stable to become unstable in housing, the underlying pandemic will be worse. i do agree with the calls for the eviction and foreclosure moratorium. that won't be enough. if they end up just with a massive amount of, you know, additional obligation at the end of the day or impaired credit, this will follow them for the rest of their lives. i do think it's important that congress provide rental and mortgage assistance. we have believe the vice president will be making his decision about the vice presidential candidate within the week. >> sounds like. >> what does this mean for people who are potential candidates? >> well, it's challenging, just

because, you know everything that you have ever done or said in your life is under intense scrutiny, as it should be, because the candidate, joe biden, is trying to figure out who would be the best partner and how people would react to a pick. i will say this. i interacted with him as vice president when i was governor of virginia then interacted with him in the second term. he knows this job inside and out. he was a valuable partner in ways, known and unknown. it would be a real internal chemistry call for biden. i think he'll want to make a pick to emphasize three things -- this will be an administration are character,

compassion and confidence, which is a stark contrast to the trump administration. when you say you're on pins and needles, because everything you've ever said will be under scrutiny. is there a temptation for them to want to fix some of that, send a message that, mae, i know this may be working against me, but let me give you a better explanation. all of us who are in public life have said a million things out there. especially to joe biden. he will not be looking at one quote or one vote. he is really going to be looking at this as a governing chemistry and as a person who can emphasize his strengths. again, i have watched joe biden as vp manage the recoveries act and help lead america out of a economic recession. he's looking for confidence.

i watched when he campaigned in virginia in 2008, i introduced him to a young first-time voter with sickle cell anemia. he compassionial connection with this young man who was a first-time voters, was one of the most moving things i've seen. . there's no pri-- joe biden is filled with character and he will want a vp to underline that message. >> senator, good to see you as always. thank you for joining me. glad we could do it. well, for years the republican party has worked to systematically reduce the number of americans who had access to voting. the latest gambit has been to discredit mail-in voting. since may, president trump has tweeted at least five times about his concerns with mail-in

voting, including just this morning, even suggesting delaying our election to avoid potentially voting fraud. mail-in voting is the same thing as absentee voting, and nearly 77 percent of americans already have access to that. across the united states there are five states that send ballots to all there are five states that send ballots to all voters. and 16 states require voters to provide a reason that can be as simple as being out of town, hence they call it absentee ballots. since the majority can vote through the mail, the president and his administration have now turned their attention to the post office. my next guest writes the following. trump's efforts to defund and decimate the u.s. postal service is a blunt instrument of disenfranchisement. can it be a coincidence that he replaced a post master general committed to facilitying voting by mail with a crony who according to the recent report in "the washington post" has

instructed postal carriers to slow down deliveries. slow down deliveries, you read that right. we have not only seen the administration discrediting our election processes but an agency is making it more difficult to vote. nearly all americans can already vote by mail. and we should. joining me now to discuss this is new yorker staff writer sue halperin who's written a great article on this. sue, talk to me about the connection between the post office and mail-in voting because what the issue we face with mail-in voting is not what donald trump says. he said it's fraud. statistically there's no fraud and there are logistical issues and it will depend on the u.s. postal service. >> that's right. we're talking about the postal service and right now there are states in which you have to get your ballot back by a particular

date. and if you don't, it doesn't count. and right now, we have got a postal master who's telling his carriers to slow things down. theoretically, for monetary reasons, but in fact we know that that's not true. and it's a very effective way of disenfranchising people without it looking like disenfranchisement. >> what do you think is actually happening? there's a new post master general who does not come with any particular experience in this job. the post office at the best of times faces the challenges. some of them are not the doing of the post office at all, but it's a tough time for the post office because a lot of online retailers use u.p.s. and fedex and it's losing revenue. what's going on? why has the president changed his post master general and do you believe there are actually instructions to slow down the mail? >> well, we know there are instructions to slow down the mail. there was a memo that was released i think it was in "the

washington post" in which he said there would be no overtime. he told the people -- the carriers, that i can wait a day to deliver mail. so we know that that's happening. and we know that the timing of it is very suspicious. >> play this out for me. how does donald trump's thumb on the scale at the post office, how can that play out in a way that can affect the outcome of the election? >> first of all, a lot of people are requesting mail-in ballots, requesting absentee ballots. if the requests don't get in on time, they won't get their ballot. that's the first part. secondly, when they return their ballot if it doesn't get postmarked at the right time that's a problem. one of the things that happened in new jersey in the election that just happened was that ballots were -- the bar codes were scanned wrong and so instead of going to the election

officials they went back to the voter. and they obviously weren't counted. in some cases, you know, buckets of mail just sit somewhere and they don't get to the place that they're supposed to get, so there are all sorts of ways that it could get bull loxed up and therefore, you know, their ballots won't count. they won't get to vote. this is, you know, a major problem because as you pointed out so many people in this country can vote by mail. it's almost 80% of us can vote by mail. i think what's really going on -- go ahead. >> i'm sorry, i didn't mean to interrupt you. i wanted to emphasize your point. washington state and oregon and hawaii they can all vote by mail. i joke that voting by mail in colorado is like ordering a

domino's pizza. you see when you send in the ballot and how it works. these are best practices that everybody can implement. >> that's right. and colorado is sort of -- has sort of led the country in good practices in how to vote and they have dropboxs so that you actually don't have to use the postal service. they have them very strategically located around the state. and, you know, you just drive up and stick it in there and it's safe and they get counted. so, you know, that's a really good way to avoid having to dealing with the postal service. the problem is that takes money and it takes some logistics to set those things up and, you know, election officials don't have that money necessarily sitting around to be able to implement that. >> sue, i recommend that everybody reads your article because it is a really important column. new yorker staff writer sue

halperin talk about the real issues, not the fraud, but we have to pay attention to. jonathan capehart is coming up, nancy pelosi, eric holder will join jonathan. that's coming up next. you are watching msnbc.

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there are those in power who are doing their darnedest to

discourage people from voting by closing polling locations and targeting minorities and students with restrictive laws and attacking our voting rights. even undermining the postal service in the run-up to the election. it's going to be dependent on mail-in ballots so people don't get sick. >> good morning and welcome to "a.m. joy." i'm jonathan capehart. the late and great civil rights icon john lewis spent his entire life fighting for equal right and equal voting rights in america so it was fitting that president obama's rousing eulogy for the georgia congressman zeroed in on this legacy. a legacy that is increasingly under attack in this era of trump. this week, donald trump recklessly and incorrectly claimed that mail-in voting is inaccurate and fraudulent voting. and threatened to postpone the

election which he does not have