s >> yeah, i was thinking this is to help you not just bounce back, good news and then the but bounce forward. perspective, let's face it, you call or go online to find out more. have to be honest about it, so we'll look tomorrow as well. thank you, chris. let's go to janessa webb who is joining me. what is the latest on the track of isaias? >> we're still bracing for impacts even though the storm system is still a little bit disorganized. in the last 24 hours, look how it has blown up on satellite. it is sitting in that warm water about 85 to 86 degrees, so it is still gaining momentum. the bands of moisture that are impacting parts of east florida today we'll watch for waterspouts, but it is this good day from msnbc world northeast graduaquadrant, it is headquarters here in new york. welcome, everyone. off are and so we won't see a lawful for florida. a lot to tell you about this but still it is coming in pretty good for daytona beach. hour. as we have the breaking news, we'll see a possibility of some tropical storm isaias is getting tornadoes that will be picking up throughout the afternoon into dangerously close to the u.s. your evening. millions of people from florida now, the latest track, it

to the carolinas could be continues to show it be well affected when that storm moves up the east coast. some areas are expected to get offshore for florida. up to 4 inches of rain over the and that is why tropical storm next few days. tropical storm watches and watches have been put in place. warnings are currently in effect completely different story now in four states. as north carolina, south our nbc news team is following carolina, even parts of georgia are starting to prepare. the latest and we begin with tropical storm warnings have now been put in place. chris pollone joining us from the reason for that, we are melbourne, florida. chris, with another welcome to going to see with isaias the you, so how is the state of course one of the biggest storm provide a good amount of rain. we are talking about 2 to 4 coronavirus hot spots in the country we should point out, how inches across the carolinas, but is it handling both storm preps locally some spots will be and the pandemic? picking up at least 7 inches. >> i saw one elected official so the stats right now with our yesterday call it the perfect latest update, we're seeing suz storm and not in a good way takened winds of 65 miles per obviously. they said that this state is so hour, about 55 miles southeast used to dealing with hurricanes of ft. pierce, florida and it that it was almost comforting to will continue to make its way up have to prepare for this storm, whereas dealing with it during a the coast. and we've been talking about this storm for the last four global pandemic is something days. they have never seen before and but look at this latest track, didn't know how to deal with. it will continue its track potentially into the so to that end, instead of mid-atlantic and then race into opening massive amounts of the northeast. and we'll be talking about this

shelters up and down the east coast of florida, governor storm system for at least the next five days. desantis essentially told local >> okay. then we have to learn how to say leaders err on the side of it. keeping people at home. isaias. thanks very much. negotiations resume tomorrow don't tell them to evacuate too early if you don't have to. on capitol hill after top democrats and white house because they didn't want people leaders failed to strike a deal going into shelters and becoming on a new coronavirus relief package 'donnell is joining me infected with coronavirus. now, the counties that have opened shelters are taking precautions for covid-19, they are limiting the capacity, they from the white house. and we heard from both parties yesterday. they got in front of the are socially distancing, make microphones and they said that the meeting was productive. being people wear masks, checking their temperature, tell us what happened. checking them for symptoms >> reporter: we understand that before they go into the they were able to have shelters, but there is only so substantive conversations on the much you can do. key topic areas, the different and most of the east coast types of benefits, and counties here have not opened components that they want to shelters or only opened a few. have in this legislation. and they agreed on the things so that is one way they are that they agree on. dealing with it. and that is important in i just took a look at the you new numbers for florida in terms negotiations. for example, both parties believe that there should be of infections, and the state has some level of enhangsed federal been at a plateau or even unemployment, that has been for trending downward, some the last several months, $600 a encouraging news recently. today's numbers could be seen as very encouraging. the state added about 7100 new week. there has s.is a request should remain at that level.

cases reported today and about a if it takes it above the rate or the salary, the paycheck of the little over -- between 60 and 70 individual in their original job. democrats are saying keep it at deaths. and that is great news $600, it makes sense, it works considering last week they were for people. reaching new highs almost every republicans are saying in some day in the number of deaths cases if someone makes less than reported. but some caveats to that. that, it is a disincentive to work. so that is a real difficulty sundays generally are lower numbers. the testing downward. point that they have. other issues like extending eviction protects, that seems to be widely agreed upon. there are other issues to discuss about how much to provide for states, for schools and things like that. but if we stick with this federal enhasn'tenced unemploym and republicans are saying okay, that just ran out on friday, let's extend it for a week or two and keep talking. democrats are saying no, they don't want to do that, they need that as a part of a larger package to have the pressure point of the urgency for real people to get that deal done. here is how secretary mnuchin and speaker pelosi addressed

this today. >> we proposed a one week extension at $600 so that while we negotiate a longer term solution at least all those people don't lose their money. and i'm surprised that the democrats won't agree to that. they are insistent to having this as part of a larger deal. >> what are we going to do, come back to the table and do this in two or three months again? no. let's give the courtesy and the certainty of some assurance that this support will be there. but again, it all depends on containing the virus and for some reason they have not executed a strategic plan. >> reporter: so part of what you are hearing there is republicans are saying let's take the pressure off for people who are worried today, tomorrow, this week, by giving them the $600 they have been counting on. democrats are saying that just creates more uncertainty about when will it run out, let's come

up with a longer term package. so you can get a sense there is plenty they agree on, but the important things that are keeping them apart, there is this uncertainty for americans who want to know can they pay their rent or mortgage, can they buy groceries if they have been relying on that money. so a lot of work still to go. and what we're hearing from the lawmakers and the administration side is they think that there has been progress, but they don't think that they are close to a deal and that is certainly concerning for anyone who is directly affected by this. >> absolutely. all right. kelly, thank you. so for more on this, i'll bring in francesca chambers. and both democrats and white house representatives participating in these negotiations, you heard kelly talking about it, they both said yesterday it was a productive meeting and yet they still can't agree. are you surprised about that and how soon might we actually see a compromise given the sense of urgency here?

>> but it is not just republicans and democrats who disagree on this enhanced unemployment issue. in the republican party, conservatives in the party do not want to extend this $600 a week for any amount of time even a short amount of time. and so there are other arguments that are taking place and conservatives have held this position the entire time. and the white house by the way also does not long term want to extend this $600 weekly benefit. what is being talked about is a $200 a week or 70% wage replacement for people who are out of work. so this is a complicated issue that goes even within side the parties. >> and this firm stansz frce fre white house might be something of a miscalculation because democrats are blaming the administration for a delay in the negotiations. will americans see it that way as well.

and if they were to put things off for say a couple three months as nancy pelosi indicated when talking with jonathan capehart earlier, if you do the math and you look at the calendar, three months from now, are you kidding me? that is right up at the beginning of an election. i mean, that would innocenecess >> and you also heard the majority whip james clyburn today saying they don't want to have to come back to the table in a week and another week after that and continue to extend it. and that is where they find themselves both parties caught in a situation of do you give a little bit to get something passed or if you give in, are you stuck with that. and that is just what becomes the predominant position and ends up in the bill. and that is what both sides are concerned about, if they agree to something now, do they get stuck with it 9 rest it the res year. >> and you have a new article out saying that several advisers

to trump admitted in private conversations last week that president trump was losing to joe biden despite the attempts to discredit public polling and one even said the problem where the campaign was the candidate. i mean, look, it sounds like even within the campaign, with some at least, they don't believe that he can win this election. how concerning is this and also 9 po the polling numbers for the president? >> part of what is taking plae there too is that the president changed out his campaign manager and that is large pli whly is w article is about and what bill stepien is doing differently than the previous campaign manager brad parscale. so in of tthere is a belief wit campaign that brill still stepi bring this home for the president. but the kicker of the article is one person telling me that if

the problem is the candidate and things that he has said from the podium and sparring with reporters, that is something that only one person can change and that is not bill stepien. >> absolutely. and you also write that the trump campaign is reaching out to voters by land line telephones and they say they have reached tens of thousands of homes in battleground communities and millions have streamed the president's facebook sessions. what does it say about the state of the president's campaign? is cold calling voters, is that good strategy? >> if they are calling voters that they know have supported the president because they went to rallies or other things, but this is one way for them when the president isn't out there holding giant rallies, for them to try and identify other people who they might not have identified yet and might support the president. so they are calling the land lines. and if someone stays on the line to hear from the president, that is something that they can track and potentially identify new voters.

but they are also going door to door in states too, these are also live streaming on facebook as well for the campaign. so supporters of the president will listening to them too. >> all right. good to see you, thank you. let's go now to the latest on the coronavirus pandemic. the death toll in the u.s. surpassing 1,000 for the sixth day in a row yesterday. there are currently 4.6 million confirmed cases of the virus here in the united states. more than 155,000 people have died. and new today from the white house testing czar echoing his claim that wearing a mask involving social distancing precautions is as effective as a shutdown. >> if you do simple measures like avoid the indoor crowded places, a lot of times that are indoor bars but you can't have 100 people at your house either, do less indoor dining because that is another place, wearing a mask is incredibly important, but we have to have like 85% or

90% of individuals wearing a mask and avoiding crowds. that is essentially the samout come as a complete shutdown. >> and as the debate whether to reopen schools intensifies, the "washington post" reporting at least three had schools testing positive for the virus this week it was the first week back in session. let's turn now to california which has surpassed half a million confirmed cases of covid-19, it is now nearing 10,000 deaths. while latinos are accounting for more than 57% of all of california's cases, they represent overall less than 39% of the population. joining me from the farming community of watsonville, california, scott cohn. it is important that are you there because it is one of the hearts of the powerful agricultural community there. talk about what is driving the numbers. >> reporter: yeah, that is really the focus is the agricultural community. it is places like watsonville,

salinas, areas where there is a great agricultural presence where we're seeing the biggest outbreaks in the disease and as we know, the agricultural community, the workforce, is predominantly hispanic. the working conditions and the living conditions don't really lend themselves to social distancing. and that is when you get to see the disproceceedisproportionate the numbers here. and as you mentioned, about 39% of california's population is latinx. but nearly two did n-thirds of cases are in the hispanic community. whites about 36% of the population and just are 17% of the cases. we told you last hour about a local clinic here in watsonville where they are seeing a 30% positivity rate in the testing they are doing and that may be deceiving because they say a lot of people are reluctant to get tested in the first place.

>> people are sometimes not wanting to be tested because they don't want to not be able to go to work and they didn't want their whole family to be placed on quarantine and other families to not be able to go to work. the other challenge that we've had is that sometimes there is access to testing but the testing turnaround time is 10 days or no with some of the labs. and if it is a negative test, you are still isolating that whole time. >> so there is a lot of economics at play along with clearly the human factor here. the usda says that nation wirwi the food supply is not yet expected, but another reason that had vow cat advocates say pay attention to the numbers and the latinx community. >> thank you so much, scott. and coming up, a piece of advice for joe biden, the one thing his strategists are telling him not to do before the general election.

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turning now to the raise for 2020 and a new warning from democrats to joe biden, don't debate president trump. some top strategists are urging against going toe to toe. >> this is a president who as i said in the article is incapable of telling the truth. this is the one thing now that we're not really going to have conventions where the public will tune in, you know, 50 million, 60 million people. and they will see all of this nonsense from him, he will take the truth and destroy it, and biden will be in the position of correcting him over and over and over again. i don't think that he should give him that platform. >> joining me now, julian castro, former secretary of housing and you are bhurban dev. i'm curious what you think of this idea given the agreement to

three debates already. do you think debating the president is a bad idea for the biden campaign and if so, why? >> well, look, joe biden has been running a strong campaign and there is a lot of room between now and november 3, but i trust that his team is going to make decisions on this. i believe that he will do great against donald trump on that debate stage. and the point that joe lockhart made is an interesting point. i would just point out that 2020 is different from 2016 because the president has a record to run on now. kn not only that, people have been so impacted by his failure on the coronavirus, on keeping the economy going, that i take the point that perhaps people might be, you know, deceived by some of his lies on stage in a debate, but they know because never seen with their own eyes the impact that this virus has

had and the failure of the administration to plan for it and to execute a plan. they also know if they are sitting at home without a job the impact on their own lives and their family's lives. so it is not theoretical anymore. his failures are very real to the american public and i think not only that, joe biden has a tremendous amount of positive to offer the american people that he can layout in these three debates. and he's done a great job in debates in the past. folks remember his debate against paul ryan, the presidential debates that he was in as well in 2008. so i have confidence that he will do great. >> in terms of the campaign strategy though, mr. secretary, we have seen that the president can be his own worst enemy. we've had joe biden keeping a somewhat low profile, it may be covid-induced, but it seems to

be working for him in the polls. might that be an incentive in the view of why change what is working? >> i don't think so. i think some of the reasons that people are attracted to joe biden's candidacy, because he represents us going forward in a more democratic, more quote/unquote normal way. and so, you know, if you were the one to say i'm not going to debate this guy and be the first advocate to say that in i don't know how long, i think people would wonder what is going on here, that is kind of inconsistent with the way that people believe he is and who he is. so i don't see much up side for him skipping those debates. >> point well taken there. as you know, the vice president is expected to decide on his running mate this next week. what advice would you give joe biden when making the decision? i mean if you were in his shoes, what would you be looking for in

a running mate? >> i think that he has a great wealth of options in the people that have been mentioned as potential vice presidential nominees, they are ready on day one, they would be great governing partners. i think that many of them would also excite the base of the party. so he has a womenth ealth of op. the best advice is always the same. choose somebody that is prepared, somebody that will be a great governing partner and somebody that you have a good relationship with. just you like joe biden was able to provide strong support and advice, counsel, to barack obama, that is what he will be looking for in his vice president. and the good news is that there are several folks i think who have been mentioned who fit that bill. >> would you care to name a few of those, anyone that is a favorite or somebody thof those

several that you have heard? >> i'll let vice president biden make that choice. the vice presidential selection process is so much different from every other part of american politics. this uniquely is a decision that the nominee must make. and it is almost cloak and daggerish a lot of times and goes on behind the scenes. but the people whose names have been mentioned, they are well prepared, they would serve america well and serve joe biden well. and i'm glad that we're getting down to the last few days and he will make a decision soon. >> yeah, the parlor games though are a lot of fun. but like you, i can't wait for the decision to be announced. you of course were the secretary of housing and urban development during the obama administration and touchdown was touting his roll back saying i'm happy to

inform all of the people living their suburban lifestyle dream that you will no longer be bothered or financially hurt by having low income housing built in your neighborhood. your housing prices will go up based on the market and crime will go down. i have rescinded the obama/biden affh rule. i'm curious your reaction to all of this and why the president is doing this. >> he's trying to take our country backward to a time where certain people could not move into certain neighborhoods. you know, he is talking about low income development, but he has a history of discrimination against people of color. this is a president who started off at a housing developer with his dad in 1973, and the federal sued them because they were keeping african-americans out of their properties. so he has a track record here. in 2015 as part of the obama

administration at we plemented unfair bit from the fair housing act to ensure that if a city or down county or housing authority, if they get federal taxpayer dollars, that they ensure there is equal housing opportunity for people no matter their background. and that is the kind of america i think that the vast majority of people in this country want. i would also say, you know, think about what he is saying, even if we take out the racism there that i think we can fairly attribute to him, look at what he is saying, he is banking on that people that live in suburbs, majority of people live in suburbs, don't like any kind of low income housing.is much o living around them. and while there is strong

evidence over the years that that sentiment has existed, i believe that we made a lot of progress, still a lot of progress to be made, but i think that he is making the wrong bet. he is losing to suburbs right now to joe biden in part because people don't like his bigotry. whether it is against low income people or against people of color or the lgbtq community, he doubled down on that bigotry. and i think that is a mistake for him not only in substance but also politically. >> well, i have to say, there is no affordable housing within view of mar-a-lago, that is for sure. and let me also just add with my thanks to you, i sure loved your book. your mom, amazing. >> thanks. we'll get reverend al sharpton's burning questions coming your would i next. l sharpton's burning questions coming your would i next for wh? given my unique lifestyle, that'd be perfect! let me grab a pen and some paper.

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thousands of protesters again packing the streets in

portland, the third night since federal agents departed, protests marked by chanting, speeches and marching. police officers largely standing by, a notable shift away from the clashes that played out between protesters and federal the agents. protesters now looking to sharpen their message as they call for change. and mora, i know you've been talking to some of the protesters about the change of tone on the streets. tell me what they want to see and what did they tell you about this? >> reporter: the protesters here are very aware that there is this national spotlight on portland and they are looking to capitalize on the moment surrounding everything that has been going on here, but they don't want to just focus on the anti-police movement that has been happening down here around the federal courthouse telling me that they are looking to focus on black equity. take a listen. >> people need to stand up and begin to say enough is enough.

i'm tired of seeing people suffer and people being murdered. >> this moment cannot be wasted. we must walk away with something tangible. i see rhetoric and i see of the not a joke. i am the american descendant of a slave. >> my vision of the end result of all these rotes protests is y special treatment but equal treatment. >> reporter: one message we've heard over the past couple nights is that protesters intend to hold their leaders accountable when it comes to the ballot box in november because they don't feel that their leaders have been representing them. and on that note, looking ahead and focusing on how president trump has been really looking at portland as a 2020 campaign issue, it is poosht important t that last night not here around the federal courthouse but in eastern portland by the east portland police precinct, there

were some clashes between 3r0 protesters and police officers. and remember, that was where a lot of the clashes here initially before federal agents were seen between portland police and protesters and that has been a constant concern we've heard from protesters here over the past two weeks. so as the president is focusing in on whether or not federal agents are really leaving, that cou could be something to watch. >> we'll keep an eye on that as well. thank you. and president trump is returning to crime and fear in his appeal to voters in the suburbs. we've been showing you his twooel tweet, telling suburban voters that your housing prices will go up and crime whether go down. reverend al sharpton is joining us. i'm curious your reaction to this scare tactic. does it harken back to the 1970s when the federal government sued president trump for violating the fair housing act? >> it absolutely does.

it shows that he is consistently one that tried to use racism as his method of doing business and not his method of doing government. i think though that it also indicates that he is time warned. because the issue in housing today is justification when people in the suburbs are moving to the inner cities and in many ways displacing minorities in the inner cities and driving them to the the suburbs. he is wrong given the time period because the suburbs of the '70s is not the suburbs of today. he is trying a scare tactic where hethe boogeyman has no bi. >> we'll continue to see if he continues to ememploy the scare

tactics. let's listen to the last words of john lewis. take a listen. >> though i may not be here with you, i urge you to answer the highest calling of your heart and stand up for what you truly believe. in my life, i have done all i can to demonstrate that the way of peace, the way of love and nonviolence is the more excellent way. now it is your turn to let freedom ring. when historians pick up their pens to write the story of the 21st century, let them say that it was your generation who laid down the heavy burdens of hate at last. >> i got to wonder how do you feel when you hear words like that? i can just say for me, i get choked up. it is emotional for me. >> you get choked up and i

certainly do as well. i was absolutely blessed to have had several encounters with him including marching eefr that brid over that bridge and coming to marches in washington and others as we prepared for one august 28th and he won't be there. but i also feel a charge, a challenge, that those of us behind -- i was 15 years younger than he and jesse jackson, that era of movement people, that he is looking to us to continue it and those younger than us, a generation or two behind us, to continue because we've won 1som battles, but the war is not over. we have a voting rights bill that now is named after him that the senate will not even put on the floor. we have a george floyd policing injustice ainjustice ability tht has passed the house. the senate won't put it on the

floor. so i think that he left as his last words to us a challenge as well as a summation of what he did on his lap in terms of this long race for justice and fairness. and now it is time for all of us that still have laps to run to the not take our eye off the goal. it is the same thing you just heard from those in portland. we must have real substantive change. that is what john lewis and his era did, they got us the civil rights act of '64. we was able to get the voting rights ability of '65. we must be able to maintain them and bring them further. that is the last will and testament john lewis left us in the "new york times," that he wanted published the day of miss funeral. it is a challenge to us and also a sober reminder of one of the great americans that risked so much to get so much done for all of us. >> and you are a veriable bodied person to carry that cloak, wear

that mantle. and i want to ask you about what you have coming up on your show because i know you have some big names including joe biden senior adviser. what is the burning question you want to ask her today? >> i want to know clearly if she has any indication of where the vice president is going with his announcement this week and i'm sure -- i'll give it my best shot, i don't know that i'm get it. but also i want to know where he will campaign and bring this country's focus on these burning issues about criminal justice reform. about voting reform. and are we prepared if this president tries to in any way not only postpone the election but tries to muddy it up and hold it up in court proceedings rather than have a clear victory for voters and whoever has the outcome of this election. so it will be an exciting hour to find out from her and others that are engaged in the

electoral process in terms of where the direction of this country is headed in 2020. >> i tell you what, i'll be watching from home come 5:00. and if you get an indication on the veep thing, i'm giving you a virtual high five from home. rev, thank you. catch him every saturday and sunday at 5:00 eastern on "politics nation." and coronavirus hitting capitol hill, are members taking it seriously enough? it seriously enough? i'm greg, i'm 68 years old.

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whitson. and on capitol hill, two crises playing out, the coronavirus response and path forward for a relief bill. jamie raskin is taking on a number of the right's claims. and let's take a look. >> is covid-19 going to magically disappear, dr. fauci? >> i do not believe that it would disappear. >> i'll say it again, it will disappear. >> does wearing a mask give people covid-19? >> does wearing a mask give it? no, not to my knowledge. >> i can't help but wonder if by keeping the mask on and keeping it in place that if i might have put some germs, some of the radio irous rou virus on to the mask and breathed it in. >> can people cure themselves of covid-19 by injecting themselves

with disinfect tanant or bleach? >> no. >> i see where the disinfectant knocks it out in one minute, so is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning. >> and joining me now is congressman jamie raskin who serves on that subcommittee on the coronavirus. and i'm sure you are applauding the editors who put that together because you put everything to bed there. it was pretty clear. this covid-19 hearing, how do you plan to move forward? what is the next priority for your subcommittee? >> thank you for having me. i was just trying to engage in a little deprogramming because there are so many americans who are fed this propaganda diet on fox news nonstop with all of the myths about covid-19. you know, and we're wealthier and we have greater scientific

expertise that all of these countries that are defeating covid-19 all over the world and we're in the worst 145nin the t exception of brazil. and the difference is that we don't have now the social cohesion and the political leadership to tell people the truth about the disease to explain that everybody has to wear masks, we have to maintain social distancing. and it is not a joke, it is not a hoax. and masks don't give you the disease. so look, we have to proceed on two tracks now that we're this far along w0ithout a plan. one is that we need to rush an emergency infusion of money into the economy to prevent a full blown depression. we just saw a one-third drop in gdp, that is have a ordinarextr

definivastation by president tr. we need to get it to all of the unemployed people. more than 50 million people have filed for unemployment benefits since this began. and it just expired and the republicans are basically out golfing with the president. i mean, they are not paying attention to the real needs of this society. but at the same time, we've got to try to accomplish some sort of reset and start this thing over again with the real nationwide strategy to defeat the disease. i hear people talking about we've responded well. we have an enemy out here, you don't respond to an enemy, you defeat the enemy. we have to determine where it is, we have to drive it out, quarantine the people who have it, take care of them, contact trace everybody else. and then prevent the disease from spreading. but they seem to be engaged in this implicit policy of human sacrifice where the time between

millions now is being cut in half every time. and so i said when do we get to 5 million? it could be ten days, it could be 12 days. we lead the world. 4.4 million people, more than 153,000 dead because of it. and there is no end in sight with the aimlessness of the administration. >> in fact, tragically i have to update your numbers, more than 4.t 4.6 million infected and more than 155,000. look how quickly these things change. but as we discuss this, i want to ask you about your fellow congressman grijalva, he tested positive shortly after louie gohmert first tested positive. and they were at the same hearing on tuesday. gohmert has been seen regularly out on capitol hill not wearing a mask. look, there is absolutely no th exactly where he got the virus. how are you processing this? among your colleagues, getting sick?

>> well, it took us more than three months on this committee, the coronavirus response committee, to get the republicans to stop fighting us about having to wear masks to committee meetings. in other words, the house committee that is supposed to be managing the crisis and coming one legislation to deal with it has had to spend its time fighting with members of the committee who have refused to wear masks as some sort of ideological protest. against what? this isn't taking place in other countries around the world. there's an entire political party here that has turned itself into a religious cult. and if donald trump says we don't wear masks, they don't wear masks. and then there are no critical thinking skills applied. i guess word has not gotten back that at least the president at least half hardly began to embrace masks. so i'm outraged on behalf of the

staff. they were calling the press to saying, he makes us come to work and he berates us. he hackles us if we wear masks. i mean, that's astonishing this is taking place. but that gives you the mentality of the party that's supposed to be in control of the play. and you see why it is out of control and why no one else is anywhere near america, it goes right to the heart of the operation. >> i really appreciate your passion about all of this. keep it up. we'll be glad to have you back on the broadcast. any day now, we'll be hearing who will be joining joe biden in the race. be joining j biden in the race. ncer, don't w. because when caught early, it's more treatable. i'm cologuard. i'm noninvasive and detect altered dna in your stool to find 92% of colon cancers even in early stages. tell me more. it's for people 45 plus at average risk for colon cancer, not high risk.

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let's turn to the race for 2020. who joe biden will choose as a running mate. the "new york times" reporting, democratic leaders are lobbying furiously to elevate their allies and sink their enemies.

he said he will make that decision in the next week or so. joining me to discuss it further, two of our road warriors, hi, guys! let's get into this. you first. has the campaign been able to narrow down this list at all? >> well, a lot of the work has been done by biden's search committee as well as a team of lawyers doing everything they can to present him with as much information to inform that decision. now it's all in joe biden's court. and we heard him earlier this week say he would make a decision in the first week of august. my understanding is that he hopes to by the end of the weekend narrow it down to three or four individuals. hopefully to be able to speak with them. under clear if he will do it in person, special when i the concerns about the coronavirus. with so many of those potential finalists as members of congress. we are seeing some on the short list using the sunday shows to

make one final petition. let's listen to karen bass. >> to me, being a partner with somebody who i have deep respect for, with somebody who i believe is authentic, genuine, has the capacity, to have empathy, has tremendous experience and working alongside of him, aside from being considered as a tremendous honor, but all of that is the reason why i would want to go forward with this. >> karen bass perhaps speaking to an audience of one there. karen bass' name is one that came up fairly late in this process, rising in the ranks pretty quickly as a potential candidate. as we learn more about her record, her work cuba and 18 a scientology church in the last few days. how much is that affecting her as finalist? >> it must be the scientology central there that is i believe within or very close to her district there in los angeles.

and look, guys, it is pretty obvious. i've said it a million times, i'm a california girl, i'm not trying to be too prejudice but with you i will talk about kamala harris. she has been deemed too ambitious. people are pushing back saying that is too sexist. what is the reaction with all of this? >> that's the age old trope. i know there was a permission structure of this, men versus women. that was taken out of this the moment that joe biden said many months ago that he would have a woman as his vice presidential nominee. in regard to kamala harris being called quote/unquote too ambitious, that happened around the time that karen bass' name also started getting into this conversation. so there were two pieces of this. one where bass was being brought up as the anti-kamala, that is something that bass shut down pretty quickly. she said on the breakfast club, that she spoke with kamala harris and they're not doing that. this pitting against each other

that is happening in some media outlets. then the other piece of this. where kamala harris ran for president. that takes a lot of ambition to do that whether you're a man or a woman. the fact that she's being dinged by some, she was speaking to that in a pretty remarkable way. listen to what she said. >> my mother, again, she had many sayings. one of them she told me years ago, honey, and i'm saying this to all you young ladies, people will be fine when you take what they give you. but oh, don't take more. and so i say that to say, there will be a resistance to your ambition. there will be people who say to you, you are out of your lane. >> and i would note, alex, that campaign manager did fweet this.

that ambitious women make history and in o'malley's mind, a lot of women are trying to go all out for joe biden. >> if i don't get off the air right now, there will be a lot of rough waters around here. thank you, guys. that's a wrap for me this hour. we are so late. see you again next weekend at noon eastern. my colleague is live next. she has a special guest, the former chief nasa snaun, peggy whitson. son. what getting fueled with one protein feels like. what getting fueled with three energy packed proteins feels like. meat! cheese! and nuts! p3. because 3 is better than 1

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