and voice solution at a great price. call or go online today. good evening. i'm alicia menendez. still no deal. that's the headline this weekend after another round of stimulus talks on capitol hill. both sides say they've made progress, but without an actual

deal 32 million americans are left to make ends meet without the economic assistance they've been receiving from the federal government. some economists now saying even if unemployment benefits are reinstated tomorrow it could take weeks for americans to receive them. republicans meanwhile continue to insist that the government is simply handing out too much money. >> so you do think it is a disincentive to find a job if you have that extra $600? >> there's no question in certain cases where we're paying people more to work, to stay home than to work that's created issues in the entire economy. >> the reason so many americans are broke, of course, is due largely to the economic devastation caused by the virus and the lack of an organized federal response that's caused a deluge of outbreaks across the country. this morning dr. deborah birx warned that the virus has entered a dangerous new phase.

>> what we're seeing today is different from march and april. it is extraordinarily widespread, it's into the rural as equal urban areas and to everybody who lives in a rural area, you are not immune or protected from this virus. >> birx's warning comes as half of the continental united states now falls within the covid red zone. according to a federal report with many of those cases in trump-friendly states. it also comes as many americans are struggling with the possibility of sending their children back to school in the coming weeks. in indiana one of the first school districts in the country to reopen did not even make it a day before one of its students tested positive for the virus and had to be quarantined, a possible preview of things to come, and while schools and businesses are working overtime to make life as close to normal as possible, the president spent much of his weekend railing against tiktok and trying to throw a wrench in the gears of the upcoming election. >> this morning he continued his

attack on mail-in voting calling for in the litigation against nevada officials or trying to make it work in their state. as many americans look november joe biden is narrowing his running mate. he's expected to make his final decision some time in the next two weeks. we'll get to biden's short list in a moment, but first, let's turn to the latest on the stimulus talks on capitol hill. >> joining me is gabe benedetti, national correspondent for new york magazine and beth fuey, senior politics editor. all right, gabe, you had also of the principles negotiating yesterday. you had staff negotiations today, where are they closest together and where are they farthest apart? >> they're very far apart and the biggest issue overall is the unemployment insurance and the benefits that have expired now for many, many people across the country who are in some cases in desperate need of the help.

they can't nsly agr they can't necessarily agree to do a short-term or long-term fix. on the issue, there's a pretty big stone. >> at the same time you have them saying they're making progress. what does that progress look like? >> well, they at least have some agreement in unemployment benefits. they don't want evictions, but i -- you know, the tone that they're really taking is cautiously optimistic approach where they're saying, you know, we made progress on saturday, but there's doubts whether they will be able to in the near-term reach this deal and that was something that mark meadows said when he did an interview on cbs today. i said what do you mean by your term? he said, tomorrow will be key if we aren't able to reach a deal. in the next 48 hours, this could drag on for weeks. right now today staff is meeting

at the capitol trying to iron out these main issues that have dwiedz dwie divided democrats and the white house and it's also not entirely looked at and there are three parties in these negotiations and it's not just the white house and democratic leaders. it's senate republicans who are very divided into how to go forward from here. >> beth, it could take weeks. americans do not have weeks. speaker nancy pelosi has been very clear. she's also not willing to entertain a short term piecemeal deal. take a listen at what she had to tell my colleague earlier today on "a.m. joy". >> what are we going to do? come back to the table and do this in two or three months? no. let's give the courtesy and the certainty of some assurance that this support will be there, but again, it all depends on containing the virus and for

some reason they have not executed a strategic plan. >> beth, is it your sense that there is anything republicans could bring to the table that would allow pelosi to consider a shorter term deal? >> well, we know that at least 20 senate republicans are saying that they're not going vote the $600 a week plus up. so one would argue that democrats have all of the control here because the senate would have to come to some sort of compromise or deal that republicans would support, as we know from the discussions over the weekend and on the sunday shows today they're not anywhere close it that. what makes no sense to me is this is not a time for republicans to sort of fall back on their hobby horse of fiscal restraint and let's face it, by the way, they haven't been all of that fiscally restraintive over the past few years anyway. we're in the middle of a historic pandemic and sending out money. the federal government has the

power to do this. the interest rates are at historically low rates and the federal government can send this money out. help buoy people through this period. put that money into the economy. we know that people, when they get this money from the government, they spend it. we saw an historic contraction and it was even worse than the great depression. if these people don't have the money it could make the economy contract further. there's no real political reason for republicans to be doing this right now. >> gabe, she makes a compelling case for republicans. why, then, are republicans dragging their feet on this? >> there are a few answers to that. one piece is that it is an election year and they want to make sure they can put some pressure democrats. you've already seen some republic republicans essentially say who should people blame? they should blame democrats and

the real blame for this does come to the second point which is president trump who is out there tweeting about pi roayrolx cut and? of the negotiators who are not talking about tax cut at all. there is a disconnect and not much messaging consistently on the republican side and a lot of them are also trying to not go along with democrats here and in some cases it's a case of negative partisanship and nancy pelosi and other democrats who are involved in the negotiations certainly feel like they have the upper hand. >> olivia, listening to speaker pelosi, one of the things that i was struck by is inasmuch as she was talking about the $600 unemployment benefit and the lookity protection issue that republicans have come to the table with, she really kept coming back to this point about a national testing program. how much is that factoring in to

these negotiations? >> it's hard to tell right now, but this is a huge messaging points for democrats. we are approaching this with 2020 in the backdrop, essentially and she's making a strategic messaging point saying that the president has flip-flopped on issues like -- and evidence suggested that was too early in addition to pushing drugs that have not been tested to be helpful in combatting covid. so she's saying we needs a national strategy or we will be throwing trif ons of more dollars at covid and who knows if it will be able to work because there is no sort of a plan to really address testing, tracing, treatment, masks, you name it. >> beth, it strikes me that you have the admission that even if unemployment benefits were extended tomorrow it would take weeks for them to get in the

hands of americans and they could quite possibly be getting less than the $600 that many americans are relying on in these challenging financial times. do you get the sense as you talk to lawmakers on cap itol hill that they understand the emergency of this moment? >> they're going to understand it more when the economy continues to contract from that horrible low spot that we reported on last week. it's just inevitable. if people don't have cash to spend the economy will contract further and we will show that show up immediately. here's another problem and this goes to the send money for the deployment that we can see. if there's no national strategy coming from the congress to fill in on the edges. they can't set up the national strategy that is so desperately needed at this point.

>> we've not seen president trump show that he's able to do that,and he left the states to sort of do what they're doing on their own and that's why we're in a terrible predicament and have the congress followed with the money that's required. >> all right. gabe, olivia and gabe. prrz can contin president trump can still build his border wall and the legal battle still playing out if washington. joe biden is expected to announce his running mate any day now. what each of the contenders could mean for his campaign. ont could mean for his campaign. (neighbor) whatcha working on... (burke) oh, just puttering, tinkering... commemorating bizarre mishaps that farmers has seen and covered. had a little extra time on my hands lately. (neighbor) and that? (burke) oh, this? just an app i've been working on. it's called signal from farmers, and it could save you up to fifteen percent on your auto insurance. simply sign up, drive and save. but i'm sure whatever you've been working on

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i led at a time when we went through the worst economic crisis since the great depression. i led in a very bipartisan manner. i worked with governor schwarzenegger, worked well with my republican colleagues. my background in health care.

i've been in the emergency room. i have been in life and death situations. my experience in foreign policy and over the years what i am the most proud of is my ability to bring people together. >> that was california congresswoman karen bass, the latest woman to gain buzz as a serious contender to be joe biden's v.p. pick. we expect that announcement in the next two weeks. the emergence of new napes this close to the final decision shows the process is still very much in flux. joining me now angela people, she's the director of black women fore which endorse -- and katie glick, a political reporter for "the new york times" and alexy is with axios. >> katie, i want to start with you because you and your colleagues at the times had a deep dive look into this process. a let of people have joe biden's ear. who is he actually listening to? >> thanks for having me.

>> joe biden is most likely listening ultimately to a very, very small group of adviser, longtime vezors of family members, his wife and sister among them and he's getting from all kinds of input from a search committee and more broadly, he and his world have allies from capitol hill and they're hearing from donors and there is a frenzy to make the case toed bien and to people who talk to vice president biden about all of the different potential vice presidential candidates right now. >> and katie, what are the core arguments that people are making because there seem to be a number of different camps about what should go into this decision. >> there are a number of different camps and you're seeing a flurry of lobbying playing out across the different supporters of each of these different potential vice presidential contenders. joe biden himself has made a number of his priorities clear. he often talks about how he

wants someone -- on his priority with the philosophy, on strategy. he says they can disagree on tactic, but not on strategy. so, you know, there are a lot of supporters of different potential contenders making the case for why someone would want to bring to the table and perhaps the government worker outlet and more along political lines as well. >> alex a, and we will now have to wait longer. i wonder of what you make of both the both the extended time line and the fact that you now have new names being floated about after hearing a standard list of names over and over again for the past few weeks. >> well, on that part, alicia, i would say that i spoke it a source earlier this week who said that they were contacted as late as last week from the search committee who was calling

around different folks when might know the women on the list being considered for v.p. and asking people in their orbit who know them from different walks of life and saying who do youon this list? is there anyone that isn't on the list that we should be aware of. who do youon t know on the list good, bad or otherwise and suggests to your point that there are women very much in consideration who we weren't talking about a month ago. karen bass is definitely one of those folks who is being considered very seriously. to your question to the time line, biden initially said i think it was in a tv interview i think after ward he may have thought why would i put that self-impoeszed deadli self-impoe self-imposed deadline. democrats need to get a lot of attention and buzz around for fund-raising efforts and for unity, forts heading into the national elections with donald

trump in september. i think that announcing it as closely as possible to the convention is one way that biden's team can gin up enthusiasm around that announcement. >> angela, there are a lot of different arguments circulating for how former vice president biden should think about this pick. there's the argument that he should make someone who will be very loyal, and someone who will fire up the more progressive wing of the party and there is an argument that he needs to choose a woman of color and more specifically, a black woman. you argue that senator elizabeth warren might be best poised to rally the black community. tell me why. >> thank you, alicia. i would start by saying to the question of what vice president biden should consider and who he should be listening to. i think when we are hearing some of these attacks and speaking negatively about ambitious women, particularly ambitious black women and that's a racist

and sexist way of thinking and i certainly hope that vice president biden isn't listening to anyone that would think or say or even push such a narrative or idea about some of the folks being considered as he's making his decision. i hope that on eye think that we can all agree if we if you center for who woop the best approximately see agenda, particularly for black voters who are struggling a lot with the pan chemmic and the economy and the recession, and the vice president has to beat donald trump in november and that's when we centering and focusing the discussion on. >> angela beat me to it which is this discussion about senator kamala harris, what i think was meant to be a private discussion has spilled out into public. this characterization of her as

too ambitious as compared to the unambitious men who have become vice president before her. what do you make of that both as someone who has worked for the senator, as someone who has defended the senator, and coming back, even when you step away from senator hairis that there is going to be a woman on this ticket. it very well may be a woman of color. if these things are being said behind closed doors what does that tell you about what that woman, whomever she is, is up against? >> thanks, alicia. i will tell you, i know kamala harris very well. i was honored to do everything i could to elect her president of the united states in the primary and i think she would make an excellent vp and she's ambitious. she's ambitious for serving the people. those are the only client she's ever had. we have it in the proposals and we've seen that in the work that she's done in the senate, as a.g. and d.a. and what want. even the biden campaign, dillon

said that there will be an ambitious woman on the ballot t ben campaign are run by ambitious women looking to save the world and save our democr democracy in the next few weeks. we as democrats and progressives, we need to stick together on this because we have not even seen what the other side is capable of, and i promise you no matter who the v.p. is it is a woman who has annan incredible experience and will be ready to lead on day one and the other side will come for this person aggressively especially, you know, they're going to do dig in, and we'll

have to build up every single one of these candidates and every single one of these women who are mentioned because we have an a bundanbundance of ricm which biden can select. >> they have to a large degree been vetted very publicly, right? and that comes with both its plusses and its minuses, so how does it complicate things to have new names in the mix? >> i think one thing that we're seeing is that there's a lot more -- coming out about senator harris in particular who has gone through this public and private vetting process by running for president before, but is now setting a different set -- or facing, rather, a different set of challengers, so to speak than she was during the democratic primary for president, and i think that that is sort of a natural part of this process. as we were talking about

earlier, supporters of different folks putting out different information to bring out their own vetting process to change the court of public opinion because i think that is certainly a part of the consideration for any presidential nominee when they're thinking of who to choose for running mate. they're thinking how does the country perceive this person? what do they think about them? of course, how can the trump campaign brand this person? are they a liability and an asset under the glare of a presidential campaign especially going up against donald trump that we know loves to brand people and has been struggling to brand joe biden up until this point. >> all right, angela, emmy, katie and alexy, thank you all. up next, it has been one year since a deadly shooting at a walmart in el paso, texas. how one filmmaker is honoring the 23 people who lost their lives. ir lives. at the golden opportunity sales event. get zero percent financing on all 2020 lexus models.

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and i felt him come closer. i heard his footsteps and that's

when he shot at someone that was there, and he walked off and he kept shooting. i didn't want to open my eyes. i didn't want to see. even though everything happened i wanted to know that el paso is not what happened at walmart. el paso really is the community coming together. >> tomorrow marks one year since the gunman opened fire at an el paso, texas, walmart killing 23 people and injuring others. the shooter told them he traveled more than 11 hours from dallas specifically to target mexicans. he also left an online anti-immigrant manifesto on an extremest website before the shooting. the suspect is facing federal charges including a federal hate crime. one year later a new documentary is is honoring the lives lost on

that horrific day. >> this was the ultimate coward sneak attack. >> coward. >> no question. and we paid a dear price. he chose our city and that's just horrendous luck that he chose our city. he had ten hours to change his mind. he could have changed his mind. horrible, horrible situation for el paso. >> you're attacking my people. you're attacking my city. you're attacking my ethnicity. my family is from juarez. they were born there. my girls were at a cheer practice maybe five miles down the road, so it's very personal. >> with me now is documentary filmmaker and director of the film "915" charlie minh also with me is munguia.

you've been in el paso for the last few years, why did you want to make that fill snm. >> my film was to honor innocent people that were murdered. the el paso walmart fit the pattern for me to do the documentary. the killer's name is not mentioned once in the film. this is all to give a voice to the people who don't have a voice, the survivors, the victims, the family members. they were all interviewed and it's a very emotional story, and i think we really have to keep in mind that in this particular mass shooting, hispanics were targeted. this is completely unacceptable and three out of the top ten mass shootings in american history deal with latinos being targeted. the orlando pulse nightclub, the san ysidro, 1984 attack and el paso. this needs attention and it also needs activism. hispanics being targeted. this has to stop. >> janet, when you talk about

latinos being targeted, when you talk about what charlie is saying which this requires attention and it requires activism, from your perch, what does that look like? >> well, it takes many shapes and forms and obviously, for us, we saw that at the center of that act was racism, was hate and in many ways an effort to promote white supremacists, and we saw that directly in the shooter's manifesto and regrettably, he echoed words and phrases uttered by our president, president donald trump. and so when we refer to activism and we talk about activism there are many different ways we can push back and one is to make sure that we're dealing with the issue of gun violence once and for all in this country, but deeper than that is dealing with the issue of hate and racism and

division that is being sown by so many in our country, but in particular by our leadership. so it requires a couple of things. one, for people to really know who we are. we are part of the fabric of this country and contributing each and every day as hispanics and latinos, and of course, that runs contrary to the rhetoric that our own president has raised from day one of his campaign when he uses dehumanizing language, when he demonizes us as a community. so that rhetoric has to stop and politicians who reinforce it including our president have to be held accountable so we have to, one, get our own narrative out there, one that includes the fact that hispanics and latinos are contributing mightily in this moment, i might add, of covid-19 as essential workers, but second and also equally important as narrative of our

voice and our vote and we as a community have to say enough to politicians who are using this rhetoric and demonizing us and not paying a political price. there has to be a political price to be paid. it's why we at unidos u.s. are in the process of making sure that we have the largest latino voter turnout in this upcoming election because we have to support candidates who see diversity as a strength in this country and who recognize the important contributions that we as latinos make and a leader that will bring us together, that will unify us and quit using this racist rhetoric about any particular population in this country. >> charlie, i want to play another clip from your documentary. this is william who lost his mother in the shooting. take a listen. >> the best thing about my mom

is she taught me how to be a great dad putting family first. number one were her kids. always. she'd do anything for any of us. i know for me she would do anything. if i needed anything she was there to help. that's the kind of mom she was. >> yeah. i've never -- >> it is a year later -- i know i want to ask you, it's a year later clearly these families are still grieving, this community is still grieving. what does healing look like? >> i just want to say i've never lived in a city that's so -- that's more family driven than el paso. it's an outstanding city. it's my favorite city, and my adopted home, and this was a racist outsider that came into

el paso and did this. el paso shouldn't change. el paso, you're beautiful as it is, don't change because if you do the killer is going to win. in terms of the healing aspect, this is going to take time. no doubt about it, alicia. you don't just shoot 46 people and forget about it. what i don't want like about this mass shooting outside of the obvious, so many people were murder side that the way that this mass shooting has been described, people have ignored the hate aspect and they have to talk about the fact that latinos were targeted and i'm sick and tired of this mass shooting being clumped in with all of the others and we seem to have one every week and this was a hate crime towards hispanics and specifically mexican people. that should be the rhetoric because if you don't touch on these issues it's going continue and again, out of the top ten mass shootings in the country, three of them deal with hunting hispanics. you can't make this up. this is unacceptable and we need to be angered and we need to have emotions channeled in the

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. right now we have 267 miles of wall. we are doing very well in keeping the drugs out and

keeping people out that aren't supposed to be here, but people have to come into our country legally. >> president trump touting his immigration policies as the supreme court is taking his side. a majority of justices allowing the president to use pentagon funds for his border wall. in a 5-4 ruling the court decided friday trump could use the $2.5 billion for the wall. congress had appropriated that funding for defense and military spending. let's bring in alida garcia at forward.u.s. and astrid silva. what do you make of that ruling from the supreme court? >> well, thanks for having me, alicia. i find it interesting that the administration is celebrating this as a victory because if we think back to five years ago the campaign promise that president trump actually ran on was that he was going to build a wall and mexico was going to pay for it, but what we have here is that

the government is declaring a fake national emergency to funnel money from the military in order to construction his racist monument, but the real emergency we're facing is not whether or not we need to build a wall it's that children are showing up at our border without parents and this administration through the department of homeland security is hiding children in hotel rooms and deporting them without ever finding their parents in advance and the other emergency that we're facing right now is the fact that we're in a pandemic and so it's pretty frightening in that this is what they're focusing time and resources on, because as far as we're concerned there is more in the economy that these billions of dollars could be used for. >> you have concerns that alidda just ticked off. the daca recipient, someone whoal ready has daca will only be able to extend their application for another year, cutting off new daca

applications entirely, messing with a bunch of high schoolers. there's the politics of this which i don't understand given just how popular daca is, and then there are the real-life implications. what does this mean to people who already have daca and what does it mean to those who would want to apply for it? >> well, thank you, alicia. i think just watching, even watching the segment of him signing the wall, celebrating a supreme court decision 5-4 when i can remember several weeks ago that we had a 5-4 decision in which supreme court said daca had to be reopened and that's not being upheld. and that's just out of -- out of just maliciousness and not wanting to reopen those daca applications and then on top of that, cutting these -- our work permits that were for two years, $495 is what we pay and then reducing them to one year without any changes in the cost. it just -- the students that we had, the calls that we had,

families were scrambling. during a pandemic, to go to school districts to call and get the transcripts and just the excitement from these 14 and 15-year-olds that were going to age in or the 16, 17-year-olds who didn't get a chance to sign up, it just breaks my heart to know that i do have it and i'm fighting to keep it while these young, really young people they didn't even get to experience it because of just cruelness. >> alidda, president trump getting some help in his fight to end daca. he reportedly met this week with john yu, the lawyer who helped the george w. bush administration justify enhanced interrogation techniques or waurd boarding later deemed illegal. what does it is a to you that this is who he is talking to as he begins to dismantle this program? >> i think what it tells me is this administration is not on

the size of the american people. 80% of americans want dreamers to be realized and the daca program is immensely por lar. >> it was in acknowledgement that the people of america are on the side of the people like as tread and the teenagers that she serves. americans want's wath with i to citizenship and this president prefers to hang around with approximately see, because it excites a small portion of his base. >> do we want her running the immigration, or do we want to make a choice around ushering forward a system that's humane and finally legalizes people like astrid so she knows her

home is here. >> to alida's point this is happening against the backdrop of november election. do you feel you've heard enough from vice president biden about his plans for daca recipients and on immigration more broadly? >> i mean, i think right now my mind has been inundated with the phone calls from these kids. i think it's very difficult to really explain what it's like to get a call from a 15-year-old who is barely -- you know, forming their personality and he's, like, miss, i heard this on the tv. that's what i want. that's what i want the biden campaign to talk about, those kids. you know, i started doing this when i was 21 and i thought at some point i was going to be a young dreamer. i'm 32 now. i have learned what we have to do here, but these young kids. they're the ones that we need to hear from. they're the ones that we need to have the campaign talking to.

they're the ones that need to be at the forefront of this because they are who we were and now it's been so many years that i really can't stress enough how much it is to hear these kids on the phone, and you know, some of them are wanting to skype and say wroen what skype is because they're doing all these other things. ? they're kids who just want a chance to have a work permit. they want to be able to not be deported by their 16th birthday. >> alida and astrid, thank you both. black and white selfies flooded social media for days. why these photographs don't tell the whole story. e photographs dl the whole story. and still going for my best. even though i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib... ...not caused by a heart valve problem. so if there's a better treatment than warfarin, i want that too. eliquis. eliquis is proven to reduce stroke risk better than warfarin. plus has significantly less major bleeding than warfarin.

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technology reporter for the "new york times" and the global opinions editor at the "washington post." taylor, a lot of questions about how it began. you were able to trace the origins back to 2016. there were also instagram users this week that were saying it is about racing awareness in turkey. but you found that was only part of the story. can you tell me more? >> absolutely. this black and white challenge accepted photo trend started back in 2016 and used to raise awareness for cancer back then. over the years it spread throughout a lot of countries with a lot of meanings to it. we saw the resurgence in america where it was used to empower feminism or promote women's empowerment. that is sort of when the celebrities got on the trend. >> karen, you say that it brought back memories of the 2014 viral movement bring back our girls, the campaign to find more than 200 girls taken by a

military group. how do you see the two things as being connected? >> yeah. in terms of this story you have a hashtag that has come from abroad, and i think the difference in this case is that bring back our girls was started by an act visit with an intent to pressure the nigerian government at the time to rescue more than 200 school girls that had been abducted and when it hit state side, similar things. stars and politicians got in on it and it helped to pressure in some ways the u.s. government to pressure the nigerian government to do something about the group. and i think that this time and looking back at bring back our girls, you know, the whole world got in on the hashtag and raised

awareness, political pressure but still to the day the reality is that many, more than 100 of the girls are still missing. i think sometimes the notion that just because western celebrities bring attention and awareness does not always translate to change. >> taylor, this brings up so many questions about social media and activism and that it was billed under the idea of female empowerment. >> yeah. the challenge did not come from abroad. it started in the u.s. and spread all over. turkey was one manifestation. more recently after catching on in the u.s. it was sort of meant to spread this very important message about femicide there. it is reminiscent of bring back our girls in that it is a social media activism campaign, but the way it manifests in the u.s., it

did not really have a direct goal. there was not a specific thing it was advocating for or policy. i think that a lot of critics were saying they were frustrated by that. you saw a lot of people reclaiming the challenge saying justice for breonna taylor or posting things about the wage gap and things like that. that all helps the social media trend have a bit more legs. >> all right. taylor and karen, i could talk about this all day. that is all of the time that i have this weekend. kasie d.c. is next. at 8:00 a special edition. kasie has a packed lineup with stacey abrams next on msnbc. n m. water? why?!

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