make headway, any headway, on a deal to give desperately needed aid to struggling americans. remember, that aids has already run out leaving millions of americans unsure how to pay the rebt or put food on the table. is there a fix coming? we're going to get the latest from the hill. president trump will hold a briefing as his white house hints it may look at doing coronavirus relief by executive order. and he once again defended the use of hydroxychloroquine as a treatment today, despite prominent medical experts agreeing it is not effective and even potentially dangerous. >> the president of the minneapolis federal reserve bank is calling for another round of lockdowns. neel kashkari says a strict shutdown while we get the virus in check is the only way the country and the economy can fully recover. >> and residents of the carolinas already battling covid-19 are now being told to brace for life-threatening storm

surges from a tropical storm which is making its way up the east coast. >> let us begin, though, on capitol hill, where millions are looking to lawmakers to help for a desperately needed lifeline. right now, treasury secretary steve mnuchin and white house chief of staff mark meadows are meeting with chuck schumer and nancy pelosi. over the past week, their talks have not been productive, but is that going to change today? and how much leverage do democrats have now that gop leadership can't even come up with a consensus between its ranks and the white house? especially as president trump threatens to take matters into his own hands. joining me now is nbc news capitol hill correspondent kasie hunt and nbc news digital senior white house reporter shannon pettypiece. shannon, i want to start with you. the president is talking about some sort of relief through executive order. what sort of power does he have? can he hand out money to americans? congress is usually the one tasked with that. >> on the surface, it doesn't

look like he has legal authority to take any executive action on this front, but we know that hasn't stopped the white house in the past when it's come to pushing the boundaries of the executive branch of government. so the thinking is along this line, is being that the president could take this action if democrats feel that's an overreach of the executive powers of the president, they could challenge it in court, but then it's going to make democrats look like they're trying to stop people from getting a $600 check or whatever additional unemployment benefits the white house decides to provide. and you know, it's really interesting how the white house seems to have flipped where they were at. a couple weeks ago, the white house was talking about how the $600 a week supplemental benefit was too high and disincentivizing people from going back to work. now they're the ones pushing for an extension of that $600 benefit, and actually talking about taking executive action on this, and you know whrx i asked kellyanne conway about this a few minutes ago, she acknowledged there is an

understanding in the white house that many people are dependent on this $600 supplement, and that they really want to see that extended for at least a week, which was the proposal the white house put on the table most recently. >> at least a week. i wonder how much that would do. what about what this is doing to negotiations on capitol hill? is this making republicans want to negotiate more? is it having a negative effect? what are you hearing? >> well, katy, i think this idea that the white house has suddenly realized how bad things really are, both in terms of the virus itself, but also economically, they have been kind of waiting around all summer, waiting to see, okay, is it going to work? are we going to be all right? do we need to do something? we find ourselves here in a massive crisis with so many americans dead, shrinking gdp, unclear how we get the kids back in school in the fall, and therefore, parents back to work, and all of that adds up to incredible political pressure.

and it's pretty clear the white house is getting to the point where they're just ready to say, okay, we really want to shovel this money out the door. and that puts nancy pelosi in a particularly strong negotiating position. democrats have essentially been waiting this out, knowing that it was going to be impossible to take this money from people without extraordinary backlash, and ready and able to say we already did this. we passed a bill that would have fixed this problem. here it is, look at it. we did it in may. you know, what have you been doing in the meantime? so that's why they have resisted a temporary extension here. and they're behind closed doors right now at the capitol. steve mnuchin, mark meadows, nancy pelosi. mitch mcconnell has been absent from these conversations. he set up the procedures that will allow him to pass something next week, but you know, that's really the wild card here. what are senate republicans going to do? because there is a lot of politicking behind the scenes that's driving their decision

making. fundamental fundamentally, they're concerned about being seen spending too much money, but mcconnell's hand is, if anything, likely to be forced in the end, especially if president trump says i want this done, katy. >> we're going to keep an eye on that, kasie hunt and shannon pettypiece, thank you very much. >> the united states continues to report tens of thousands of new coronavirus cases across the country every single day. public health officials say the virus is spreading rapidly, and no city is safe, no matter how remote or how rural. here is dr. deborah birx over the weekend. >> what we're seeing today is different from march and april. it's extraordinarily widespread. it's into the rural as equal urban areas, and to everybody who lives in a rural area, you are not immune or protected from this virus. and that's why we keep saying no matter where you live in america, you need to wear a mask and socially distance. >> but even as dr. birx warns of

this, quote, extraordinary spread, states in the middle of it, like texas, remain largely open. with me now from dallas is nbc news correspondent morgan chesky. so morgan, what is happening there today? >> katy, what's happening here is people are crossing their fingers and hoping that hospitalizations and daily new cases continue to drop. we have seen some optimism on that side of things, but we're also coming off the second deadliest week in dallas since this pandemic began. and that's what the contrast is with the fact that some leaders are pointing to the fact those cases are dropping. others are pointing to the death toll. the bottom line is more needs to be done to see real impact here in texas. we know one of the biggest struggles here isn't necessarily the medical resources which are already stretched thin, but it's just the mindset of people and how they approach this virus. i had a chance to speak to one doctor who has been working long days doing covid testing in north dallas since this pandemic

took hold. openly frustrated about the conversations he still has to have with his own patients on whether or not this virus is even real. take a listen. >> what does texas need to do in order to see actual success here from your point of view? >> i think until people in general just accept the fact that this virus is deadly, it's dangerous, you have got to be careful and take precautions, i don't see it changing. so people have to be a change of mindset for people before we see significant changes in the spread of the virus. >> and everyone's hoping for those significant changes to happen. if we keep doing what we're doing. also, katy, texas had more people die in the month of july from covid-19 than any other state in the entire country. katy. >> morgan chesky in dallas for us, morgan, thank you very much. >> and as if a once in a century

pandemic was not enough, residents of the carolinas are now being told to brace for a potentially deadly storm surge from tropical sto kl storical s. bill, where is it tracking right now? >> we just got the new 2:00 update from the national hurricane center, and isaias is maybe doing a little something unusual. maybe reforming a center little to the east. this black line shows you the past path and this is the current location. you can see on the doppler radar here, the clear swirl, and there's the center right there, and maybe trying to form an eye in that midlevel rotation, and that may become the dominant feature as we go throughout the next 12 hours until landfall. why is that so important? if we drew that line straight up, it would head towards charleston and myrtle beach this evening. if it reshifted 20 to 30 miles to the east, we may get a more direct landfall in the wilmington area. we'll get that update and see if

they make those changes. we know that the heavy rain has begun in the charleston area, up to charleston and georgetown. that's moving up the coast. myrtle beach, you still have about three hours before the heavy stuff gets to you. we have had squalls moving onshore, but nothing too traumatic, nothing that caused too much damage. there's pictures from florida that was mostly spared from the storm this weekend. 70-mile-per-hour winds is the update. it's moving to the north at 13. it's going to begin to accelerate. let's get to that forecast. we have 116 million people, that's one third of the u.s. population, that is either under hurricane warnings and especially tropical storm warnings from the georgia border all the way up to boston, and will include much of northern new england later on today in that. 1,100 miles of warnings. the area where we'll get laf landfall is likely myrtle beach. as far as timing, monday at 8:00

p.m., just south of myrtle beach. this may shift a little bit toward wilmington. we could get the landfall around 10:00 p.m. or so, and then tomorrow, we get a tropical storm that's going to pack a punch right up through the mid-atlantic region. areas like new york city could have 50 to 70-mile-per-hour wind gusts and that continues into new england. widespread power outages are a possibility with this storm. it's going to catch a lot of people by surprise in the northeast. >> and usually when a storm like this comes our way, there are shelters that are put in place, people have a place to go, but with this pandemic, it's complicated everything. bill karins, thank you very much. >> and as bill just laid out, the carolinas are next in line for severe weather. right now, there are no plans for an evacuation order in south carolina. shelters are currently, as i was talking about, closed in charleston. due in part to concerns over covid-19. with me now from myrtle beach, south carolina, is nbc news correspondent catie beck. what is it like there right now and what are folks saying about

the lack of shelters if they're going to need them? >> hi, katy. yeah, as bill said, we're still about three hours away from getting really the heart of the bad weather starting here. so at this point, there are still people on the beach trying to get in those last hours of decent weather before there's torrential rain, wind, and storm surge headed this way. as for the shelters, i think at this point, people are not really discussing it much, not really too concerned. this is a quick storm, a fast-moving storm. but what happens later in hurricane season when we do have a category-4 ora category-5? i think it's calling emergency managers to make those plans right now because they are realizing the difficulties in trying to house potentially thousands of people in a small, you know, environment indoors while a storm passes, and as you recall of dorian last year, it sort of sat and stalled. it could be days. i think as for right now, they're hopeful this storm will

continue on the path that it does and make its way through without having a desperate need for shelters. but it certainly is asking of people and of emergency managers, make a plan now, either have a relative or someone who lives inland that you can go stay with that maybe is safe that you have seen during covid, or come up with another idea so that basically you're not found stranded when the big one does come. katy. >> storms only complicate things. catie beck, thank you very much. and a little later, the impact of washington's inability to send more relief on time. the white house and congress are playing politics while millions of unemployed americans are paying the price. plus, jacob soboroff has an in depth look at how some workers ineligible for government assistance and with no other safety net are trying to get by. >> but first, how an outbreak at a summer camp in georgia is casting doubt on plans to get kids back to school. you're not going to want to miss

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with school reopenings around the corner, there's new concern about how children can spread the virus, after a concerning cdc report identified an outbreak at a north georgia sleep away camp as one of the largest known superspreader events in that state. 260 campers and staffers tested positive. it raises questions about how effective existing safety precautions are. nbc news correspondent blayne alexander has more from atlanta. >> well, katy, hello to you. this was an overnight summer camp about two hours north of atlanta, in north georgia, that started welcoming campers back in june. at the time, they even posted a video online kind of showing the safety precautions that they were taking in order to welcome the camper back. so according to the cdc report, a lot of it started when one staff member started feeling symptoms, started feeling ill,

the next day, the staff member tested positive for covid-19. soon after, they began to send the campers home and shut down the camp in june. but according to the cdc report, let's break down the numbers, of the 597 people that were present at the camp, 344 of them took covid-19 tests and 260 tested positive. and the vast majority of the positive tests were children. so a couple of factors that the report lays out. one, they were very clear that the camp did follow all of the requirements as set forward by the state of georgia in order to reopen their doors. that includes requiring everyone who showed up to provide proof of a negative covid test taken within 12 days of arrival. but the cdc points out two factors they didn't follow. that's opening doors and windows to increase venltilation in buildings and two, requiring everyone present to wear a mask. only staff members were required to wear a mask. that report also points to singing and cheering as something that likely accelerated the spread of the virus.

in a statement, the ymca of metro atlanta pointed to where they decided to reopen in the first place. they say it's a long-standing tradition. a number of parents were reaching out, helping to create some semblance of normalcy for their children. they say they took every step to adhere to the cdc kleins and the guidelines from the american camp association, but in retrospect, the one to reopen is one they now regret. >> at the very least, requiring the campers to wear masks. that was blayne alexander reporting. thank you very much. joining me is dr. erwin redlener. he's the head of the center for disaster preparedness and also a pediatrician. always good to see you. this superspreader event at this camp, when you consider that and consider we're looking to reopen schools in the fall, what lessons should we learn? >> well, there's a lot of lessons to be gotten from this, as well as the lesson that was learned in indiana just a couple

days ago. they opened schools early, and are now probably having to reshut again. so we have a lot of things that we need to do right in order to make sure the schools and camps are open safely. those include appropriate separation of the children and making sure we don't have teachers and staff at high risk in those classrooms, and the children must wear masks as long as well as everybody else in the school, katy. we just cannot take any shortcuts with reopening. i'm already anticipating that we're going to have lots of issues and challenges to deal with, but the least that we could do is mask separation and make sure that we have high-risk people not in harm's way, katy. >> so two of the things the cdc pointed out with this camp is that they were not -- they didn't have enough ventilation. they were inside and it didn't seem like the windows were open, and secondly, the campers were not wearing masks, only the staffers were. if you put those two things in place for schools, opened on the

windows, had the kids wear masks, is there a way to get certain less vulnerable student populations back into a classroom for an at least part-time schedule? >> there is, except katy, there's another major problem, that a lot of the schools in new york and elsewhere, are older. their heating and ventilation systems are antiquated. some schools have windows that haven't been opened in a couple decades. some schools have classrooms in the basement. so the challenges that have to do with the ventilation part of this are extraordinary. and there's not a penny extra money to try to fix these things in time to open schools. with a lot of thinking to do about all of this, but i'm concerned that we're perhaps opening the schools generally speaking a little too soon. it can be done. it can be done safely, but all of those preparations need to be in place, katy. >> and dr. redlener, when we're looking ahead to fall and the decision here in new york city, where do you think the governor

is going to fall on whether schools should be open? there are only a few hundred cases in the daily rate, only three deaths over the weekend. any death is a big one. but it is certainly a lot farther down than we were a few months ago. is it going to be safe to reopen schools in a big city like new york even if the case rate is down? >> sure, katy. so we're actually entering unexplored territory here. we have not yet put so many children, 1.1 million children in new york city's public school system, and those kids are for the very first time going to be put in environments where we're going to try to do the best we can, but we have no idea. it's like sending kids to a camp. all those details have to be thought of and dealt with, and i'm afraid that in the big city school systems, around the country, particularly in a place like new york, we may not be ready yet, even though there's a tremendous need to get those kids back into their educational trajectory. we hope it happens as soon as possible, but we cannot afford to allow lots of children or

staff or teachers to get covid-19 in so doing. >> it shows you it's risky, even a place that's gotten a handle on the virus, let alone the other dozens of other places, other big cities across this country that are in states where the virus is out of control. dr. irwin redlener, thank you so much for joining us today. another major league baseball team is dealing with another outbreak. ten days into the already shortened season. how many more strikes before baseball is out? plus, masks became political, so what happens if politics muddies up a vaccine as well? new microban 24

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we are following the latest developments in the coronavirus pandemic. and here are the facts as we know them this hour. white house staff members will be subject to mandatory and random covid testing starting today. before now, testing was voluntary for staff who worked in the executive office. >> the michigan senate and house canceled a session and all hearings this week after a state senator, tom barrett, tested positive for the virus. all state representatives and staff members are being encouraged to get tested this week. new york is seeing a decrease in new daily coronavirus cases, with an average of 650 cases per day. governor andrew cuomo says he's ready to make a decision later this week on reopening schools. he also noted that both parents and teachers are not exactly

likely to trust school districts when they say they are ready to reopen. so unclear how that will play out. philadelphia eagles head coach doug pederson has tested positive for covid-19. he'll continue to work from home, leading the team virtually during his quarantine. and we're only a few weeks into the shortened season, and there are already questions about how long baseball can last. over the weekend, more games were postponed and more schedules were disrupted after more players and staffers tested positive for covid-19. the miami marlins have 20 cases, and there are now six cases within the st. louis cardinals organization, according to "the new york times." joining me now from miami is nbc news correspondent sam brock. so sam, there's over 100 pages of protocols for how players and staffers and venues are supposed to operate when they get in -- when they leave home to when they get into the stadium. it sounds like not even that can

stop the spread of this virus. where do we stand on the likelihood we're going to make it through this 60-game season? >> it's hard to believe, katy. good afternoon, that we're only ten days into the major league baseball season. it's been such a turbulent start so far. as far as the 100-plus page manual of how people should be conducting themselves, it is important to note there's an investigation going on right now looking at the miami marlins but no conclusions so far. we have watched baseball games go on here, and we have seen players from all teams, for that matter, spitting, touching each other, high fiving in ways they're not supposed to be doing. whether that's the reason we have seen outbreaks so far or not is unclear. what we know, the miami marlins were the epicenter for the start of this, with as you said, 18 players and two coaches since opening day. that's more than half of the 33-man traveling roster. here's the thing, though. the healthy players are in baltimore right now preparing to play tomorrow. what kind of squad that will look like could be a lot of aaa

quality players, but they're expected to play. the miami marlins will be addressing the media at 3:30, in exactly an hour. derek jeter, the team's ceo, will be speaking. the marlins working toward getting back on the diamond. major league baseball holding their breath because they reported two cardinals tested positive. there could be as many people as six involved with positive tests. we're waiting to find out that information, potentially today. that could have huge ramifications because as you talk to baseball writers around the sport, they tell me, two, three, four teams, once it starts to get to that level of coronavirus outbreaks, major league baseball's hand could be forced. here's what rob manfred had to say. he spoke with the associated press. >> i'm sorry, play the sound bite, then i'll ask you the question. >> sure. so here's what he said, if everybody does what they're supposed to do, we can continue to play, have a credible season, and get through the postseason. i don't think it's realistic,

though, to think we're not going to have any more positive tests. manfred remains optimistic but also trying to see the situation for what it is, which is right now they have a virus they're having a really difficult time managing just in the first week and a half. >> what is the investigation into the marlins? what are they wondering about? >> so as far as we know, katy, it is on and off field behavior. so far, there have been reports over the weekend that have only suggested ideas of not wearing masks. there have been illusions to the fact there could have been partying going on, but i will say the marlins organization says that is not true. it team was not partying in atlanta. what is it? it's everything these players are doing, right, from how they conduct themselves on the field, social distancing and masks, to what they're doing off the field, but again, way too early to draw any sort of conclusions because we simply don't know what major league baseball has found yet. >> it seems like when you hit a home run and go to the dugout, all rules are off the table for celebration. sam brock, thank you so much. and as more vaccines move into the trial phases, u.s.

scientists fear the president may put undue pressure on the process to push a vaccine to market before the election. according to a new report by "the new york times," government researchers are under constant pressure from a white house anxious for good news and fearful of political intervention in the coming months. with me now is dr. michelle mcmurray heath, the president and ceo of the biotechnology innovation organization, a trade association representing biotech companies and academic institutions. thanks so much for joining us, doctor. can you just tell us how vulnerable is this process to political pressure? >> ordinarily, katy, i would say not vulnerable at all. we have such a good system in science of making sure that there's peer review publication of any results so that results are done by other scientists before they come out. and we voan fda that has a history of being very, very

independent in its choices. i think the concern you're hearing and the concern we're hearing from our members is we just want to make sure that those processes remain intact. without any outside tampering, without any disruption. >> you used to work in the fda under obama. are there weak spots in the organization that you fear might be more susceptible to political pressure, pressure especially from this president who is not fearful of putting that sort of pressure on to serve his own political ends? >> the food and drug administration is an incredible organization staffed with dedicated scientists who have worked there for some of them for decades. they're used to weathering the up and down storms of the political front. but when you get into the very top layers of the organization, you have political appointees, you have commissioners that are sometimes brought on capitol hill under questioning for their decisions. and so the agency is not immune

to those pressures. we just want to make sure that the scientists at the fda are allowed to do their work, that their standards remain high, and their decisions are allowed to stand without any interfering. >> as this process goes through the trials, what do you need to see once a vaccine comes to market in order for you to maintain your confidence in it? >> very good question. we have been realizing that the peer review process in science is so strong, but we know it also has to be very expedited because everyone is waiting on these also. everyone wants to see when a new vaccine comes out and wants to know whether or not it's going to be safe and effective. we need our statistic journals to recommit to not just their peer review prosbut to expediency. something similar for the food and drug administration. we need assurance from the administration that they are

going to let the fda do its work. fda knows how to judge new medications. they have been doing it so well for decades. they want to make sure they're allowed to operate independently. >> dr. michelle mcmurray heath, thank you so much for joining us. we appreciate all of your insight. such an important issue, important step that should not be politicized or cast any doubt on, especially in these times. thank you very much. and with the next round of relief stalled on capitol hill, what will millions of unemployed americans do? you'll hear from a furloughed worker in los angeles. also, jacob soboroff joins us with the impact all of this is coming on a group that wouldn't even get federal relief, even if it was coming. i'm 75 years old. we live in the mountains so i like to walk. i'm really busy in my life; i'm always doing something. i'm not a person that's going to sit too long. in the morning, i wake up and the first thing i do is go to my art studio.

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unemployment benefits that helped them get by are now gone. while for others, some of the most vulnerable among us, that aid was never an option at all. with me now from los angeles is msnbc correspondent jacob soboroff. who are these people? >> undocumented residents of not only this city of los angeles, northern county of los angeles, but across the country. we're talking about millions of people for whom a government safety net was never an option, despite the fact they are absolutely critical to making this economy work, and i spent some time with some of them. take a look. >> what we do is an act of love and solidarity. the very people who have helped us for many years now need help. >> pablo coheads a national network that assists day laborers. a group that's been largely unable to find work since the pandemic began. with no safety net for many of these workers, pablo and community volunteers here in pasadena, california, are left to fill the void.

you're the coexecutive director of the national day labor center. but you're here, at basically twhaut is a food bank on wheels. why? >> we ask that workers to stay home so they could protect themselves, protect the community, and protect the employers. these are workers who have been fully left out of any federal government assistance. >> you're talkingun ing about p who are undocumented. >> some are undocumented workers. >> or people with undocumented. >> correct. >> the reality is there are thousands of families, tens of thousands, maybe even millions across the country who need assistance like this. >> we're facing multiple crises that are converging at the same time. it's not just the pandemic. it's the economic depression. but it's also the racial justice crisis that our country is going through right now. >> largely latinx community that pablo serves has twice the covid infection rate of whites. they're also roughly twice as likely to die from the virus than white residents. we followed along as he made

food deliveries to some of his most at-risk workers. >> what would your life be like without this program? >> hard. >> hard. >> si. >> she says they're alone and without the help of people without you. what's it like to hear that? >> i have known her for 30 years. and you can see those hands have cleaned so many homes in this city that you cannot imagine. she's raised kids, you know, other moms' kids. they have given everything. at the end of the day, you know, the only safety net that they have is themselves. and the organizations. >> living right next door is another worker pablo has been helping. marta. >> do you work? >> i used to. >> you used to. and what were you doing before covid? >> house cleaning. >> and since covid? >> house cleaning in my house. >> in your house. >> but no payment. >> what does that feel like to

you? >> i think that the harder thing for us is money to pay the rent. >> the workers have been mostly affected by the pandemic, restaurant workers, household workers, the low-wage workers, bringing in the food helps, but it's not what's going to get people out of this difficult reality that people find themselves in. >> and what will? >> jobs. you know, good paying jobs. with good working conditions and good wages. so that families can live a life of dignity. >> katy, you already know this, but our audience might not. things were already incredibly strapped for any low-wage workers, not just undocumented workers here in l.a. we have 60,000 people who literally sleep on the streets in los angeles, as homeless residents of the city, so take away any form of government aid from these workers, these undocumented workers, and life for them is extraordinarily difficult. the catch-22, work and get sick or stay home and face economic

devastation during the pandemic. >> and for a lot of those people living on the streets, they had jobs. they just -- their jobs weren't enough to pay for rent in los angeles. the rents were so high and there was such a lack of affordable housing within the city proper. jacob, what can be done for the people that you spoke with? there's no federal aid coming, so what can be done to help them with rent, to make sure that they're not just getting food from the organization that you followed, but the money that they need to pay their bills? >> yeah, excellent question. i'm glad you asked. people have been asking me on social media since we aired this story earlier today as well. the national day laborers organizing network is the organization we went out with, and you can certainly look them up. here in l.a., the city has put together something called the angle angelino card that people can apply for, but marta told me she tried twice a day. the phones were ringing off the

hook. not everybody is able to get their hands on that money so they're relying on what we might see as charity, but pablo sees a fight for social justice in this moment, katy. >> jacob soboroff in los angeles for us, jacob, thank you very much. >> andane new ad voiced by actor morgan freeman, a coalition of hard-hit independent restaurant owners called on congress to help the industry survive. >> the covid-19 crisis threatens to permanently close 85% of independent restaurants. 16 million people risk losing their jobs. disproportionately impacting people of color and single mothers. they are our friends, our neighbors, our farmers, our bartenders, our family. >> those 500,000 restaurants employ millions whose livelihoods hang in the balance as talks to extend federal aid stall. restaurant workers account for

more than 1 in 4 people unemployed during the pandemic. more than any other sector. a new report from a restaurant consulting group estimates that up to 1 in 3 eateries could face permanent closures by the end of the year. with me now from los angeles is matt marfolia, a server at the tasting kitchen in venice and has been on furlough throughout the pandemic. so matt, just first off, tell me, what's it been like for you? >> pretty horrible. you know, i have been a waiter for more than 30 years. and i was really fortunate to, as, you know, never thought it would be a career, but as it progressed in just even the last 10, 12 years, do really well and for lack of a better term, make a career out of it, and it was super finite in that my income was really good, and then i had bills in relation to that income, and it was really consistent.

certainly, never saw it ending because the industry would be so impacted. so it literally just came to a stop. i mean, everything just came to a stop. and when it did, i was blindsided. and if it wasn't for the c.a.r.e.s. act with the extra $600, i wouldn't have been able to really survive to pay my bills, especially also just the fact of being alone was just so perpetuated that feeling. it's been really, really difficult. in the past month, just being in limbo of i have friends who work in restaurants who those restaurants were able to come back because they had spaces they were able to devise, you know, putting tables in an outside space, you know, which was adjoined to the restaurant. my restaurant wasn't able to do that, so, you know, i have still been unemployed because of it. >> so what will you do if this unemployment insurance doesn't get extended or there is not another fix in congress? >> well, a couple things.

i was fortunate because i have these amazing friends that opened up their home to me. so because my landlords were not being flexible, they essentially were telling me to get a minimum wage job, which was not going to solve the problem, it wasn't going to pay their rent or my bills. so i first thought the best thing to do was get rent out of the equation. my restaurant is literally in the works of doing construction to adjust the space. so it will either be a choice of hoping to be able to go to work, but even then, i don't think it will ever be necessarily what it was. so i think at one point i will have to career pivot as that word has been used a lot, but it's going to take some time. you know? and it's easier said than done when you worked in hospitality for 30 years and that industry is going to be affected for a long time. it's definitely a limbo right now, and it's scary. it's very, very scary. >> that's what i was going to ask, because the white house is talking about learning new

skills and applying for a different sort of job. there are many millions of americans who work in hospitality, and they're not many millions of jobs that are currently out there that either pay the same or that are as easably gettable. so what do you do as you say, if you have to pivot. what do you pivot to? >> i'm really glad you brought that up, katy, because that's kind of been the recurring theme, is that it's kind of been this trajectory of a real lack of empathy, and it's oversimplifying the situation. from having lost the job to people just, you know, who are so disconnected from the situation of having lost a job to then finger pointing because they're so disconnected from the problem, from it being like either ivanka trump finding something new, to my landlord saying apply at lowe's or

denny's. but it's really not that easy. and i think that it's really -- the same way the black lives matter movement has really, you know, kind of like unveiled the curtain on what's been this ugliness in this country for racial disparity and unkindness i see how this thing has unveiled a general lack of empathy in this country as well as finger pointing this real kind of disconnected advice to like, just do this and blah and it blah and it's not -- this lack of empathy. this isn't going to get us anywhere. it's definitely not -- people aren't stepping up to the plate the way they should whether it's mitch mccob knell or -- >> there are those who argue it's not all truism. some our systemic flaws in this

country and employment, it's not necessarily the best way to describe what the government should be doing for americans who are forced out of work because of a pandemic through no fault of their own. matt, thank you so much for joining us and sharing a bit of your story. we appreciate it. we wish you good luck. >> thank you, katy. thank you. >> thank you. speculation about joe biden's pick for his running mate is heating up the party's formal nomination two weeks away, what we know and we don't know as the veepstakes right now. don't go anywhere. where. yet also leave you at a loss for words. take a deep breath. go here: findyourmbcvoice.com take a deep breath. here's another cleaning tip from mr. clean. cleaning tough bathroom and kitchen messes with sprays and wipes can be a struggle. there's an easier way.

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over and over again is kamala harris. >> yes, that's right, katy. 12 years ago i spent a week camped out at the foot of joe biden's driveway as we expected him to be announced as obama's running mate. just weeks away from him naming his vp. he wanted to narrow that field down to a final three, four final candidates he would then meet with either in person or virtually this week. we should see potentially signs of those meetings this week, but the other thing that they're looking for is polling information that's coming in as well as the candidates. ultimately, katy, this comes down to biden's head, heart and gut. the question about kamala harris that has overwhelmed the

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hi, everyone. i'm nicolle wallace. 3:00 p.m. on the east coast. 12 noon out west. brian williams will be back with us tomorrow. we begin with the headlines at this hour. the coronavirus has now killed more than 156,000 americans. but according to an internal government document obtained by yahoo! news, the cdc predicts more than 180,000 americans could be lost by the end of just this month. another 4.7 million americans have been sickened. this comes as white house coronavirus response coordinator dr. deborah birx admitted what we have known for some time that the pandemic is indeed widespread in urban and rural areas and different from what we saw in march and april. former fda commissioner scott gottlieb says this virus could