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for most schools in mississippi, the first day of classes start this week. so when a reporter asked the top health official in mississippi how the state could determine when it was safe for kids to return to school this term, his initial answer that there was, quote, not an easy answer. the mississippi health director said last week that school openings could depend on where the outbreaks were. that there was no one size fits all approach to school reopenings in the state. that very same day, mississippi set a record for the number of

coronavirus deaths in a single day. cases there continue to soar. so today, the mississippi health director says there actually is an easy answer as to whether or not schools should open for the year. and that answer is "no." mississippi's top official telling the public today that he was off when he first suggested students might be able to safely return to school. he says, now he thinks it is a good idea to delay school, maybe until september. he says if mississippi students all go back to school this week, quote, we are going to pay the price. the governor of mississippi is supposed to make the final call this week. meanwhile, children in parts of tennessee return to school today. many more are expected to report to the first day of school in the state this week. there are no rumblings of delaying classes there. last week, teachers in nashville held this protest. a mock funeral to protest the state's refusal to cancel in-person learning. they drove past the governor's residence with their cars painted with signs that said,

dead teachers can't teach. there is no federal policy about whether students should return to the classroom in the middle of a still-roaring pandemic. we are a patchwork of policies in this country, on schools and on every other aspect of this public health crisis. but listen to dr. deborah birx this weekend, a high-ranking member of the president's coronavirus task force, reminding the american people in no uncertain terms that this is not a mississippi problem or a florida problem or a hot spot problem, but an america problem. >> i want to be very clear, what we're seeing today is different from march and april. it is extraordinarily widespread, it's into the rural, as equal urban areas. and to everybody who lives in a rural area, you are not immune or protected from this virus. >> it is extraordinarily widespread. and yet, 4 million cases, 155,000 deaths later, this president does not see the

coronavirus pandemic as his problem to fix, but if he did, one of the things he would probably read first is this piece in "the atlantic" magazine. it's called, "how the pandemic defeated america." a virus has brought the world's most powerful country to its knees, written by ed yong, science writer at "the atlantic." ed yong joins us now. it's an incredible piece. i want to get right to it and read you some points. if i left anything out, feel free to jump in. but you write, the coronavirus found, exploited, and widened every inequity that the united states had to offer. far from being a great equalizer, the pandemic fell unevenly upon the u.s., taking advantage of injustices that had been brewing throughout the nation's history. let me read one more before i turn this over to you. you also write, as of early

july, every one in 1,450 black americans had died from covid, a rate twice that of white americans. latinos were three times as likely to be infected as white people. >> i mean, the statistics are so stark. and i think the sad thing about this is it was entirely predictable. like, of course, this would happen. america has such long-standing health inequities that date back to after the end of the civil war and ever since, when health care has been deliberately pushed away from black communities, where health care has been apportioned more according to the logic of jim crow than of hypocrisies. as a result, black people suffer worse health outcomes across the

board. so it is no surprise at all that should a pandemic happen to strike a country like this, that they would suffer a disproportionate brunt of it. same for brown people. the same goes for disabled and poor and elderly communities. i mean, just take -- take poverty. so many of the actions that we have recommended to keep ourselves safe are out of the question for people who work low-wage hourly jobs without sick pay. you know, how do you expect someone who needs to put money on the family's table to stay at home all the time, instead of going into work, working in those essential jobs that the rest of us had depended on. so, again, much of what has transpired in this -- go on. >> no, no. i just wanted to pull the thread further with you on the same point. the cycle we seem to be in now is that, as you said, the statistics are a gut punch. reading it on paper and reading it out loud is sickening. but where we're headed now with the economic calamity, is that health insurance is tied to employment in this country. and with people literally

pouring off the employment rolls, it's about to get worse before it gets better. >> it's about to get much worse. absolutely. and i think it really highlights the weakness of having a system like this, which is just singular in the world, where you tie a person's access to health care to their employment. you know, this is not the first time people have been talking about this as a problem, but i think truly -- the pandemic truly highlights these compounding crises where you have a government that doesn't take enough action, you have a virus that then is allowed to wreak havoc around a country that is already riddled with inequalities, with all kinds of other vulnerabilities. people get sick, they fall away from their jobs, from their normal life, and now they don't have access to health care at a time when they need it the most.

and i think this spiral was also predictable, as with much else of this pandemic. it really has found, exploited, and widened every weakness that the united states had to offer, and it turned out the country had plenty to offer. >> you also report out how in washington, the white house and the federal officials did everything wrong. you write this. this is about travel bans hurting, not helping. you write, in practice, travel bans are woefully inefficient at restricting either travel or viruses. they prompt people to seek indirect routes via third-party countries or to deliberately hide their symptoms. they are often porous. trump's included numerous exceptions and allowed tens of thousands of people to enter from china. ironically, they, travel bans, create travel. when trump later announced a ban on flights from continental europe, a surge of travelers packed america's airports in a rush to beat the incoming restrictions.

so even when we tried, we failed. >> it's the wrong measure. and you know, i keep on saying that this is predictable, but someone whose first instinct is to build a wall, who rode into power on this tide of xenophobia, was always going to reach for border control as their first option. and i admit that it is very intuitive and that it seems promising, but for all the reasons you read out, they're very difficult to enforce. they might delay the spread of a pandemic for a few days, maybe weeks at best, but they're not going to stop it. to stop it, you need to get testing ready, you need to shore up your hospitals, you need to get public health strong. and the risk of putting travel bans in as your primary means of defense is you forget about doing all the other stuff, because you think you are secure. and that is clearly what happened to the united states this year. as someone who can't think of

anything else other than to build walls and erect barriers between people, reached for that and did nothing else. >> ed yong, science writer at "the atlantic" magazine who has reported out a remarkable piece of journalism. thank you for sharing it with us here. we're grateful to get to talk to you about it. when we come back, "operation warp speed" is about delivering a vaccine faster than we have ever done it before. but can it be done quickly and safely? we'll get an expert to weigh in on that next. on that next they line up by the thousands.

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president trump has launched operation warp speed, which is an historic effort to bring vaccines, therapeutics, and diagnostic to the american people in record time. president trump looked at the timelines that all of these players and the pharmaceutical industry and elsewhere said would be needed to bring these products to market and he said, that's not acceptable. >> that was alex azar.

he's the secretary of health and human services, that was him back in may talking about president trump's "operation warp speed." the white house's goal to deliver 300 million doses of a coronavirus vaccine by january of next year. today, president trump moved that goalpost even closer on the schedule, saying that a vaccine may be available well before the end of this year. while the administration may want a vaccine for political reasons, yesterday -- and, frankly, all of us would love a vaccine as soon as possible -- scientists are sounding the alarm that we must resist the urge to rush out a product we aren't sure about. one such vaccine researcher writes in today's "new york times," quote, creating vaccines is hard and we should be prepared for the reality that some promising ones will not meet the fda's criteria. researchers and the government should also commit to transparency so that people can see the results for themselves to understand the regulatory decisions.

waiting for a better vaccine to come along may feel like torture, but it is the right move. with so many potential shots on goal, scientists are optimistic that a safe and effective vaccine is out there. we can't afford to jeopardize the public's health and hard-earned trust by approving anything short of that. the author of that stark warning in "the new york times" today is natalie dean. she's an assistant professor of biostatistics at the university of florida, specializing in emerging infectious diseases and vaccine study design. professor dean, thank you so much for joining us tonight. what is the reality of this push for a vaccine? and i'm guessing that october or january would both represent a real acceleration of how these things are normally researched and brought to the public, no? >> absolutely. normal timelines for vaccines are measured in years, sometimes even decades, but we're talking here about months. so it's been an incredible feat,

how quickly scientists have brought some of these products for a virus that we didn't even know existed a few months ago, to bring these vaccines so far along that we're already -- some of this are already in phase 3 trials. these are the large trials where we actually determine whether the vaccine protects individuals from infection or disease. >> so this is what you write. and i wanted to ask you to just lay out where we are right now. you write this. what we have right now is a collection of animal data, immune response data and safety data based on early trials and from similar vaccines for other diseases. the evidence that would convince me to get a covid-19 vaccine or to recommend that my loved ones get vaccinated does not yet exist. so just help us understand exactly what that means about where we are right now. >> so, there are a lot of different vaccines that are being developed and they're at

different phases in their development. the ones that are furthest long are in something called phase three trials. these are the largest trials where individualized are randomized to either a vaccine or a placebo. and we follow them to see whether they have any side effects or whether they are infected or get disease. and so that's how we can tell if the vaccine's actually protecting. and so these are the studies that determine regulatory decisions, about whether a vaccine should be approved for use in a general population. and so these are the studies that are going to inform the fda's decisions about what becomes available and the plan right now is to stick to these steps that we want to make sure that the vaccine is at least 50% effective before being considered for widespread use. >> one of the by-products, i guess, of the rancor in our

politics and of the distrust that's been sewn over the last five months is that when you poll people on whether or not they'll take a vaccine once we do have one available, only 49% of the public says they plan to get vaccinated. 20% says they will not. and 31% are not sure. can you protect a population when 49% of them is vaccinated? >> i think those polls are very interesting because i actually don't find the big bucket of people who say they're not sure to be very surprising. why should people agree to take a vaccine that we don't -- you know, that doesn't really exist yet in the sense this we don't know how well it works, we don't know which age groups it works in, we don't know the side effects profile. so, i think that's quite normal. certainly, the people who are saying they won't take a vaccine, no matter what. that does represent an important

barrier. but i don't find the people who are unsure, you know, that to be concerning. so my goal is to really lay out what the process looks like and encourage and advocate for transparency at every step so we can convince people that the process is there to keep people safe and to help protect people and that it's moving as it's intended to do so. >> natalie dean, assistant professor of biostatistics at the university of florida, thank you so much for spending some time with us tonight. we're really grateful to talk to you. >> thank you for having me. election day is exactly three months from today. and that fact apparently has the president worried enough that he's attacking legislators in one state for trying to make it easier for people to vote. that story is next. robinhood believes now is the time to do money.

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sunday morning. all right. the senate will come to order. when nevada lawmakers met yesterday for a special session, one of the first things they got to was a bill to guarantee a mail-in ballot for every active voter in that state. some lawmakers spoke for it. some lawmakers spoke against it, and then they voted. >> all right. secretary will close the roll and vote on assembly bill 4. the bill having received a constitutional majority is cleared and passed. >> this is how lawmakers in an american state on video that you just saw for yourself passed a bill to make it a little easier and a little safer for the state's constituents to exercise their right to vote. they passed that bill on sunday at 10:42 a.m. donald trump had a different interpretation of events, calling that vote, quote, an illegal late night coup and threatening to sue over it.

if the president sounds nervous, it might be because he's trailing in the polls now as we are 92 day a 2 days away from t election, and several states will open voting even sooner. as the pandemic affects more of life in more places around the country, states are trying to do what they can to help people vote safely. yesterday morning in nevada, state senator pat spearman remembered the journey her near ancestors made from being enslaved to becoming voters. >> my grandmother was barely born free. my dad was born free. i'm only third generation free. three generations. i'm the third generation to be born free. that's important to me because i can remember talking to my grandfather, my maternal grandfather, and i remember him talking about wanting to have the right to vote. and i can remember one of the things, the last things he said before he passed away was, he was very sorry he would not live to see the day when everybody could vote.

i'm supporting this bill because although i am third generation free, i am only the second generation to have in law the right to vote. that's sacred to me. that's sacred to me. >> tonight the nevada governor signed that bill into law. and joining us now is nevada state senator pat spearman. senator spearman, thank you so much for making some time to talk to us tonight. >> thank you. thank you. and thank you for inviting me. >> i want to ask you about the state. and i want to ask you if the partisan politics that are now have sort of engulfed the debate around mail-in voting at a national level if they have engulfed your state adds well. >> yes, they have, unfortunately. it is part of a trend that republicans don't think they can win if a lot of people show up to vote.

yes, unfortunately that trend has come to nevada. >> senator, it seems so backwards, though. i mean, donald trump's voters or supporters or people who might want to vote for him in november might also wish to do so my mail. nevada is a state everybody competes for, a very important state. is there any reasoning with republicans, any saying to them, listen, your supporters might prefer to vote by mail in the middle of the pandemic, too? >> listen, we tried that. we tried that yesterday. there is really no reason. and i believe what they have done is they have been co-opted by a message that is not true. it's not true. and, so, they did everything from saying that there would be fraud, that a lot of people don't want to be forced to vote by mail. they want to vote in person. and they just weren't paying attention to what the bill is about. that's very unfortunate.

>> tell us exactly what is in the bill and your comments about it, and your support for it was so moving. tell us about the bill and what it meant to you personally. >> it is very simple. so this bill ensures that every person who wants to exercise their constitutional right to vote can do so. every registered voter will receive a mail-in ballot. they can mail the ballot back, or if they prefer, they can always take the ballot with them and vote in person. we already had a primary in june where we had mail-in ballots. no problems whatsoever. no problems whatsoever. this is a really simple bill, and it's designed to ensure every anevadan has the right to exercise their constitutional right to vote. >> donald trump says he's going to sue the state over it. are preparations being made to defend what you just

articulated, every citizen's right to vote? >> you know, we here in nevada don't take kindly to threats. we have been threatened with lawsuits before, and they have brought them, and they're usually frivolous and they are dismissed. and so to they say, mr. trump, we won't be intimidated. we are doing what we believe is the right thing to do for nevadans. and nevadans are not afraid of you. >> nevada state senator pat spearman. thank you so much. i wish this was the end. that was a cinematic close. but we have more. we'll be right back. >> thank you, thank you. be righ. >> thank you, thank you. itching for an outing or itching for some cuddle time. but you may not know when he's itching for help licking for help or rubbing for help. if your dog does these frequently. they may be signs of an allergic skin condition

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tomorrow the states of arizona, kansas, michigan, missouri, and washington will all be holding primary elections. there are several big races to watch. in missouri, democratic facing a challenge from corey bush. in michigan progressive congresswoman is also trying to fend off a primary challenge by detroit city council president brenda jones. the most heated contest tomorrow may be the kansas republican primary for that state's open senate seat. that one features former kansas secretary of state chris kobach. the national republican party is warning local republicans that if he gets the nomination, it would threaten the senate

majority and possibly trump's chances in kansas. as our friend rachel says, watch this space. that does it for us tonight. rachel will be back right here tomorrow night. i know where i will be. i'll see you tomorrow 3:00 p.m. eastern. "first look" is up next. president trump claims the coronavirus is down. the virus is spreading. new york governor andrew cuomo lashes out at the president and the administration's response to the pandemic calling it, quotes, the worst government blunder in modern history. good tuesday