don't go anywhere now because the read out is up next. the man that positioned himself as superman in 2016 is now running scared. >> nobody knows the system better than me which is why i alone can fix it. >> right now i think it's under control. they are dying. that is true. it is what it is. it's under control as much as you can control it. >> it is what it is. in other words when the going gets tough trump gives up. trumps frankly bananas interview

has underscored just now incapable he really is when dealing with a crisis. among the many truly insane parts of this interview, trump still insists with a straight face that the virus is under control. it would be bad enough if this were just a one off but it's a fa fantasy that we heard from trump many, many times before. >> have you been briefed by the cdc? >> i have. we have it so well under control. we have done a good job. >> everything is under control. >> it's a very contagious virus. but it's something that we have tremendous control over. >> many of them have a little bit and they have it under control. >> they're going to have it under control really quickly. >> it's going to be under control. >> it's under control as much as

you can control it. >> the washington post is now reporting that more than 5 months into the pandemic, trump has grown exhausted and wants the issue to be behind him. the crisis is deadly serious. as we speak the number of americans infected by the virus is fast approaching 5 million and the united states has the distinction of leading the world in the sheer number of cases. countries like spain and france reported zero new cases while the u.s. reported almost 50,000. and yet trump is desperately trying to spin his administration's response as a success and he is cherry picking data that he doesn't even seem to understand. >> well, right here, the united states is lowest in numerous

categories, we're lower than the world. >> in what. take a look. >> you're doing death as a proportion of cases. i'm talking about death as a proportion of population. that's where the u.s. is really bad. >> you can't do that. >> joining me now is tim o'brien. senior columnist. we talked a lot about donald trump in the past. thank you for being here. i don't know if you watched the whole interview but i cringed watching it quite frankly. mary trump talks about donald trump as somebody that never really did anything on his own. his father helped his business career and then helped him when he started to sink the trump family business. he actually had vladimir putin

help him be president. he's never done anything on his own. what do you make of the way he is floundering now. >> we have been talking about this now for five years or so unfortunately. but he's been floundering his whole life. that's nothing new. the fact that he constantly speaks toward being controlled is a reflection of the fact that he is completely out of control. he runs a chaotic administration and chaotic business and lived a chaotic life style and pretended to be in control. because the media didn't press him on it. in cases where they should have and didn't often it was because he was a business man or the host of the apprentice but he positioned his whole career on

the man that is capable and in control. it's unsophisticated ignorant man that doesn't realize how deeply ignorant and unsophisticated he is and the presidency outed this in a profound way and that was the story up until 2020. he was illuded being caught. you now have the coronavirus which is an inescapable reality. >> talking to mary trump and reading her book, one of the things that comes through is the complicity of everyone. everyone played along. there's a great piece that he

wrote. i think everyone should read the whole piece. he writes what is surprising is that trump, the most self-interested man ever to reside in the white house cannot see that his own and much cherished personal interests, notably getting elected are aligned with the public interest of curtailing the pandemic. and let them run the crisis and let them fix it for him. what do you make of the fact that he's refusing to even do that? >> i think he made efforts of that when the coronavirus first erupted. he put him in charge. >> i mean somebody more powerful and more competent than him. if you name two people at his level or less in terms of

competence. >> his father always ran things or bailed him out trump has never really been tested and he doesn't understand how important it is to recruit strong people and to listen to them because he is profoundly narcisistic and lacks empathy. the real danger is he doesn't care about the consequences of any of those things. >> i think he hasn't taken control of this because it elludes him. >> the only thing i can think of it is banana rama crazy. the way he looked around like what? here is donald trump talking to jonathan swan where he wants credit for creating a test for coronavirus because obama didn't do that. because there was no coronavirus. here's the piece. >> we're testing so much because it's spread so far in america.

>> we're testing so much because we had the ability to test because we came up with a test. jonathan, we weren't even -- we didn't even have a test. when i took over we didn't even have a test. >> why would you have a test? the virus didn't exist. >> i liken this to trying to explain tr expla expla explain trigonometry to a toddler. he referred to his admiration for the secretary of the interior because he really knows the interior.

we have to come to grips with the fact that the president is a profoundly ignorant person and he's not going to change. >> it wouldn't be hilarious if it weren't dangerous and so many people weren't dead. it's shocking that this man is president of the united states. thank you for being shocked with me. i appreciate you. you have a very serious and important job. you have constituents counting on you to look out for public safety. you take this oath to defend the country against enemies at home and abroad. every single one of you in the congress and the senate and the president take this oath. what do you make?

>> what do you make of the fact that this president, he can't get past the fact that in his mind the problem is we're testing too much. >> i completely agree with tim o'brien. everything he said about trump. this is a very deeply flawed man that doesn't know what he doesn't know and he doesn't care. he's not going to change. he creates chaos and pain where ever he goes. he does have a bromance with tough guys like putin. when you ask if there's somebody stronger than him to run things, that could be putin but putin is already running a country. he has a bromance with them because he has a pathetic need to be seen as a tough guy and he exhibits that need by going after people that can't defend

themselves. >> no one knows if this was an attack of some kind. he referred to it as an attack. the tendency to go to the idea that this is an attack. are you concerned what he might do? >> of course i'm concerned. in fact, he just recently replaced that it was not going to be able to confirm and the number three spot and he pretty much said you go over there and do it anyway. this would be it and he is not qualified. but not someone that trump should place there and this is what the president does and i'm

concerned with the decisions he makes without really talking to everybody and everybody has to run around trying to explain things in some sort of rational way. so we have a person that thinks the rule of law does not apply to him and he can do whatever he wants. >> i want to ask you this as a member of the community i want to let you listen to this. this was bruce lavell that is t believe it or not, the executive director of donald trump's national diversity coalition. he was on am joy last weekend with my friend tiffany cross and here's how he talked about the coronavirus. >> so you think 146,000 dead americans was an appropriate response. >> we as a country -- we as a

country. >> we as a country yes but i'm asking about donald trump. >> the president of the united states, donald j. trump and we as the country have done a marvelous job and a wonderful job combatting this china virus that has taken over our economy. >> i want to correct you -- you lead the diversity coalition and you're calling -- you're using these racist terms like the china virus. >> it came from china. >> he is not the only one. he's not alone. the trade executive for donald trump is doing the same thing. got kicked out of the cnn interview for it. what do you make of that? in the middle of all the death and suffering for his administration to smirkingly insist on disparaging chinese people as part of their response to the coronavirus. >> of course it's racist and it's one of the reasons that we're seeing hate crimes against asian americans rise it's so

clear that he does not take responsibility for anything. we have three crisis on our hands. we have an economic crisis and we have systemic racism in our country and he has done an abysmal job addressing these crisis and he will take no responsibility. the truest thing he said is its not my responsibility. that's one of the few things that he has lived up to to the detriment of the millions and millions of people in our country that are now suffering because he did such a dismal job and still is doing a dismal job. it's just amazing as you said. it's really crazy. he lives in a total different fake reality of his own mind.

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i will bring america to a new level. i will negotiate deals that nobody can negotiate like i do. >> i have been in business, i've made a lot of money which i'm

going to do for the country now. i have been focused on jobs and money and deals and that's what i do. and that's what the country needs. >> it's supposed to be you go back and forth and everybody ends up in a room and with deals. >> you're supposed to gather people around and make great deals. i want to make great deals from my side of the equation. >> donald trump, deal maker or so he claimed. well, federal unemployment benefits related to the coronavirus ended last friday so with congress and the white house at a stalemate over how to ease the economic pain of millions of americans what is donald the deal maker up to? according to the new york times, not very much. three months before he faces voters the main role trump appears to have embraced is that of sniping from the sidelines in ways that undercut a potential compromise. he was described as interested in the talks but from a distance adding he is expending little

energy of his own to move the ball forward. let's look at these numbers. total unemployment is 11.1%. the unemployment rate for white americans is 10.1 and up from there. 13.8% for asian americans and african americans at 15.4%. typically this close to an election even republicans would think we should do something about that. what we're seeing is that republicans are still following donald trump and saying maybe we should just do nothing about that. what do you make of that? >> first of all, we have seen that donald trump has spent more time on the golf course than in negotiating room at the table as

far as art of the deal goes the american people are seeing all of that is just a con. from the republicans, we've seen this posture that $600 a week is too much to give people that lost their jobs because of the coronavirus. it's republicans. it's not a negotiation. it's a hostage crisis. they're taking the welfare of the american people hostage and trying to convince democrats that $200 a week is a living wage in this country that they could get by while they're out of work and not getting a paycheck and have no sources of income all because of the trump administration's incompetence and the enabling of the incompetence and put us all in jeopardy. we're all waiting to see whether or not republicans are going to wake up to the reality that the american people want them not just at the negotiating table but to make a deal and give them the resources they need to get through this pandemic. >> there's a sense that it's not happening to our people.

right? we had that reporting that jared kushner's attitude toward the coronavirus is these aren't our people. then when it hit red states, oh, our people, you're seeing it disproporti disproportionatly hitting black and brown folks. but our people only strategy can't work in a place where our people and their people are mixed in these states. i don't understand saying no more $600 benefit. nothing more for you. the alabama senate candidate is saying no more $600 and he's ahead in the polls. i don't understand it. >> it's rhetoric at the beginning of the pandemic if you remember which is that this is the great equalizer. no one can be immune from this kind of thing and of course it's true in a certain way but the pandemic turned out not to be a great equalizer. it turned out to be a magnifier of the divides of this country.

so we can talk about unemployment crisis and employment relief and whether a deal could be made but we have a view where for 40 years, before he was even a republican it has been to defund and defend and delegitimize the state in anyway possible and to leave people to their own defenses and the darker your skin was the more defenseless you should be left. so it is like a truth serum for the reality of this country but it's not a departure and even trump as loathsome as he is, what is really novel is the ways in which he operates like a fastist but he is a republican

taking the idea of austerity to its logical bidder. >> and do you know what, you were republican for quite a long time and i want you to speak to that because the idea that trump is some new thing, right, is a thing that i think republicans will fall back on when he's gone. that oh, it's this thing that came along but no, my mother got layed off during ronald reagan because the '83 budget cut the program she worked for which was a nutrition program for children, right? that was too much money. they didn't want to spend on that. that's reagan. a lot of these ideas that trump is putting forward are just extreme versions of what republicans have been doing, dividing the countries along racial lines, well, that's nixon as well and reagan opening in philadelphia and mississippi so isn't it true that he's exposing something that already existed in the republican party. >> absolutely. let's be very clear and honest here. republicans for a long time,

well before donald trump were asking working americans and minorities to do more with less. it doesn't donald trump that came up with the idea to defund things like school lunch programs and food stamp programs. it was the republicans. they have been doing that for decades. i remember when i worked in congress and the better part of the 2000s it was them saying time after time we need to cut more from the budget and having fiscal restraint. we need to take more money from people. and everyone can pull themselves up by the boot straps. you don't need to live off of the government. they're somehow givers and takers in this equation. that's been for a very long time. all before donald trump came into the picture. what he is doing right now is doubling down on that philosophy to justify really putting forward suffering on the american people during this

pandemic. and making the excuse that this is the reason why. that they can't give $600 a week to people that lost their job. >> i struggle to see what would be different if paul ryan were doing this. i don't see the difference but on the other side, given that fact, you know, mitch mcconnell is saying i might have to go to the democrats and get a deal. what should democrats then be asking for. he needs them to get a deal. he needs a deal in order for his reelect to go well. what should democrats be asking for? democrats have tended to ask for -- not ask for a lot and that's just give us enough that we get a deal through but what would you advise them to do. >> a lot of the things in discussion, some of the most ambitious democratic proposals are like high class boutique

band-aids. they're still banded aids. it's easy as grave as it is. but the reality is a lot of people have been living in a kind of pandemic. living in a kind of order for a long time so if you're a democrat, instead of thinking about temporary relief alone, you should be thinking about the transformation of this country so that employment is not tied to health care so that you have housing security for people and eviction is not the issue. this symptom treatment cannot be the outer limit of the position of a party that wants to truly

care. >> it was fun being your first guest. i hope that everybody will check that out. thank you very much my friend. thank you guys, i really appreciate you. a quick reminder, there's still time to vote in primary elections being held today in washington state, arizona, kansas, missouri and michigan where the congresswoman is facing a serious challenge from detroit city council president brenda jones. if you haven't already get your butt out there and vote and if you're not registered, register. up next trump's dismissal of lewis and his life long devotion to civil rights. s and his life n to civil rights. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪

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>> i now want to play you the most insane part of an overall bonkers interview that the president of the united states gave to jonathan swan. >> how do you think history will remember john lewis? >> i don't know. i don't know. i don't know john lewis. i never met him i don't believe. >> do you find him impressive? >> i can't say one way or the other. i find a lot of people impressive and many people not impressive.

>> do you find his story impressive? >> he didn't come to my inauguration. he didn't come to my state of the union speeches and that's okay. that's his right and again, nobody has done more for black americans than i have. >> okay person that clearly didn't listen in class at that military academy your parents shipped you off to. a brief review of what various presidents have done for african americans. emancipation. reconstruction. the new deal. he didn't exactly set americans up for success while he was excluding them and handing off goodies to the white middle class. de segregating the military. sending the national guard to help desegregate schools and the 1957 civil rights act.

though the whole highways mowing down black communities thing was a problem. the civil rights act of 1963 which became the civil rights act of 1964. the voting rights and fair housing acts. record economic prosperity. black president. oh and also obamacare and saving the economy from george w. bush. you on the other hand, donald trump have given us a muslim ban, locked up migrant children, a toppled border wall that mexico didn't pay for. cuddled marching neonazis. attacking the postal service whose workers are black. disparaging black athletes for not enjoying police brutality because what's not to enjoy. threats to take obamacare from 20 million people. a record shattering pandemic

that's bankrupting and killing black and brown people and unleased vicious racism everywhere we turn in trump's america. did i mention cuddled neo-nazis. you have done a lot. not a lot that's good but a lot. and no john lewis didn't attend your tiny little inauguration ceremony but you know who else's he skipped? george w. bush and he opposed the misguided war on iraq. but do you know where w. was on the day of congressman lewis's burial? he was yule eulogizing him along side president obama. because he's also an adult. are you really legitimate? and are you really an adult? >> take a look at these charts. >> i'd like to. >> here's one.

the united states. >> we're last meaning we're first. >> if you take a look at this other chart, look, this is hour testing, i believe. this is the testing, yeah. >> yeah, we do more tests. >> now wait a minute. don't we get credit for that. >> no, you're not. the read out continues after this. not. the read out continues after this we're always here to help you focus on your health. because it's always, time for care. don't just think about where you're headed this summer. think about how you'll get there. and now that you can lease or buy a new lincoln remotely or in person... discovering that feeling has never been more effortless. the lincoln summer invitation sales event is here.

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after putting an innocent black woman in handcuffs. officers mistakenly believe they were riding in a stolen car. a group of all white officers approached the car with their weapons drawn. the driver and the four girls, the youngest 6 years old were ordered to lay face down on the ground with three of them placed in handcuffs. some of the incident was caught on tape and i will warn you, it may be hard to watch.

[ screaming ] >> this is the same police department that was responsible for the 2019 death of elijah mcclain after he was stopped by police while walking home from a convenience store. joining me now is the university professor at the new school. i grew up just outside of aurora and seeing these little kids screaming, i realized that could have been me. that could have been my mom. that could have been us when we were little kids driving in our station wagon. this is shocking and terrifying. i want to read you the statement they put out. here's the statement. we have been training our officers that when they contact a suspected stolen car they should do what is called a high risk stop. this involves drawing their weapons and ordering all occupants to exit the car and lie on the ground but we must allow our officers to have discretion and deviate from this process when different scenarios

present themselves. >> different scenarios like three little kids are in the car. is this statement good enough for you. >> no, it's not good enough for any of us. there should be no one in this country satisfied with that statement. and the reason is because those little girls, they're not just traumatized in the sense that they should be offered victim services which i know the police chief offered. it's that there's been no statement about how this gets changed. this isn't just a matter of training. these are police officers who, if they rolled up on a minivan with mothers and young children in the car who are white, do we actually believe they would have come out of their police cars with their guns drawn forcing those children hands down on the tarmac? no we wouldn't and we need to be honest about that. this is fundamentally about how discretion gets used to endanger

people who are black and brown. and the changes don't just come by saying you're sorry. the changes come by doing exactly what those kids were asking for which is who keeps us safe. >> i don't know if any of those children ever in their lives would ever trust police. then people are shocked saying why don't black people trust police? well that's why because you see your mom and yourself being treated like an animal. another item here. this is washington post. two black moms took their kids to the mall. a thing we all remember back when the world was normal. secret service officers confronted them with guns. they said a secret service cruiser had driven into their front left bumper. within seconds a uniformed secret service officer was pointing a rifle at them yelling get out and put your hands in the air. more officers surrounded them with guns pulled.

i could have been another breonna taylor. i could have been another innocent woman with no record that got shot. they were told their car was reported stolen. they were handcuffed for 45 minutes, their two infant children remained handcuffed and crying in the back of the car. left kids left in a hot car. people get mad when people say defund the police but this is why people want to take money away from them, right? the idea that police operate -- they have their cameras are on. they know that they're being recorded. sometimes they have their body cameras on and they don't feel any fear to treat people this way. what is the answer if they'll do this on camera? >> all any of us want is to stay safe. i think what the american public has been seeing increasingly is these experiences are not new and we are saying mothers who are by the way, playing children's music in the car.

the music blaring out of the car when the cops came out with the rifle drawn were nursery songs and yet children don't keep you safe from being seen as a criminal and all of that means that we have to actually invest in radically changing what we call policing. transform it. invest in communities to get a job and not a gun and frankly to be seen as the full people that we are in communities with and there should be support for the justice department to go after racial profiling and policing. it's stalled in the senate. that's outrageous when we keep seeing videos like this. no matter how much we protest. it will only change with leadership and it will only change if we continue to demand

it. >> yeah. even being a kid doesn't protect you. he was a little kid and they thought him within seconds of rolling up on him in cleveland. it's frustrating to have to keep talking about this but i'm very glad that you were here to discuss it with me. thank you so much my friend. up next, the craziest damn thing in the world. the craziest damng in the world but with accident forgiveness allstate won't raise your rates just because of an accident. cut! is that good? no you were talking about allstate and... i just... when i... accident forgiveness from allstate. click or call for a quote today. accident forgiveness find your get-up-and-go. find pants that aren't sweats. find your friends. find your sense of wander. find the world is new, again. at chevy we'd like to take you there. now during the chevy open road sales event, get up to 15% of msrp cash back on select 2020 models. that's over fifty-seven hundred dollars cash back on this equinox.

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>> do you know what's crazy? trump is scared of losing in november so he spent time base leslie attacking mail in voting while praising absentee ballots even though they're exactly the same thing but the problem is he may actively be suppressing his own voters. the washington post reports that his unfounded attacks on mail in balloting are discouraging his own supporters from embracing the practice. a republican county committee had to write a facebook post in capital letters warning their voters, if you receive an absentee ballot shown in this picture it is legitimate. do you know what's even crazier? trump is trying to have his cake and eat it too as long as it involves his voters. he tweeted today that whether you call it vote by mail or absentee voting, in florida the election system is safe and secure. so in florida i encourage all to request a absentee ballot and

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welcome back. several black staff members and athletes have left virginia's liberty university after earlier this summer, the school's president, jerry falwell, jr., tried to mock mask wearing to stop coronavirus and virginia governor ralph northam on twitter. one of those former staff members joins me now. kevon scott is a graduate and former online admissions counselor at liberty university. thank you for being here. i read the story and was fascinated by it. first, i want to ask you, what made you enroll at liberty in

the first place? >> umm, well, my grand parents have a house down there in lynchburg, virginia, so i wanted to be close to my house, which is like three hours away. and plus kind of like -- i guess you can say i grew up in lynchburg, going down to lynchburg like every holiday and just seeing liberty university. i just wanted to be close to home. >> yeah. and you ended up actually taking a job working for them as an admissions counselor. why? >> umm, i guess one of the reasons why because of the benefits. i definitely needed the benefits and plus i wanted to get my masters degree, as well. of course, liberty was going to pay for that. so i was like okay, cool, awesome. so basically that's the main reason i took the job. >> yeah. and i don't know if you were involved in athletics, but part of the slate story about liberty

and about athletes leaving a lot of black athletes leaving. it says liberty university poured millions into sports and now black athletes are leaving. that was the headline. there's attention that's been growing at the school between a culture of subtle hostility towards minorities and the president of liberty's desire to turn the athletic program into one of the nation's best, depending on the recruitment of talented black athletes. can you talk about that, the university clearly wanting to be a tier one athletic school and recruiting black athletes, but how black people felt when they were actually there. >> yeah. i do know a lot of black athletes left and are still leaving. and as a recruiter, it's kind of hard to recruit minorities, whether it's to come, you know, play for like the football team or basketball team or anything like that. it's hard, because me just going

there and being in an environment where i don't feel welcome, it's hard to recruit minorities. so you think how can i explain liberty, even though it's a christian university, but the diversity there is lacking. >> yeah. let me play you jerry falwell, jr., and he's a big trump supporter. so here is some sound of him doing that. >> president donald trump does not have a racist bone in his body. i know him well. he loves all people. he's worked so hard to help minorities in the inner cities. he could be more polished and more politically correct, but that's the reason i supported him, because he's not. we're just so thrilled that you have stunned all the political pundits and just said the things that so many people have been longing for their political leaders to have the guts to say. >> is there something specific that he did or that happened at the school that made you feel

uncomfortable? is it just the trumpiness of the place? what was it that made you feel uncomfortable there? >> not only was it like him supporting trump or, you know, him like even funding trump, it's just the atmosphere there. it's very judgmental. and even just working at liberty, you know, people say there's always room to grow. for myself, there was no room to grow. i remember some people who came like after me, to become an admissions counselor moved up while i was still, i guess you can say kind of like at the bottom. and i felt disrespected. and even, again, just going there, it was a lot of judgmental -- i was the only black person in the classroom in 2019 about to graduate. nobody wanted to work with me on projects. i was sitting in the back of the classroom. it felt like i was back in the

1950s and '60s and that hurt. it's kind of like how do you maneuver being in a christian atmosphere, but also being looked at like you're nothing? >> yeah. and you talk about being judgmental. here's a picture of jerry falwell, jr., on his instagram account, belly showing, pants unzipu unzipped, arm around a young woman, this picture is going all around. and, you know, s.e.cupp said -- >> what do you make of that? of his own personal behavior? >> i actually saw that, and i was really disturbed and i'm thinking to myself, why would you post a picture like that? you're supposed to be a president of the largest christian university, apparently in the world, and yet you're posting pictures like with your pants unzipped, holding a

female, and to me that's sort of disrespectful, because you're not showing the christian aspect. >> yeah. keyvon scott, best of luck to you. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. thank you. tonight on "all in" -- president trump's dishonest attack on democracy, as the president threatens more lawsuits to sabotage the election, why he's now backtracking on just one state where mail-in voting is apparently not so bad. >> then, it is what it is. the president's words on the american coronavirus death toll. lori garrett is here on why it doesn't have to be this way. stewart stevens on president trump's catastrophic interview with axios, and why president trump's order to stop the census is an unconstitutional power grab. when "all in" starts right now. good eve